@LaundryPizza03 Hi, Please see the Persian article on Iran and Mina vahid! This content has sources. What resources can I give you to restore the content you removed from the articles? I have a lot of resources, most of which is in Persian.ایوب صادقی (talk) 04:35, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: Please stop asking around about this. I already explained why here, and CodeTalker (talk·contribs) explained here. It seems that you are trying to write about a specific book, but you are unable to explain clearly what it is about or why it is notable; the best I could understant, it's about a deconstructionist poem, based on the philosophy of Jacques Derrida, that intentionally uses similarly opaque language. In any case, this information would belong only at a new article about the work itself or its author. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:30, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: I also noticed that you signed this comment with an incorrect timestamp. When you copy and paste a talk-page comment from a previous discussion, you must update the signature by replacing it with ~~~~ or the timestamp with ~~~~~. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:41, 17 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 Hello, good day. This material about the book exists in the Iran article on the Persian Wikipedia, and also Mina Vahid, a prominent Iranian cinema actress, became famous through a theater performance with the same name as this book. I will now send you various sources about this book; if you wish, you can restore the content you deleted and add these new sources to them. This book is significant in that it has created a great revolution in Persian language and literature, and has brought about a new era and new style in Persian language and literature. For this reason, wherever Persian language and literature are discussed, it is necessary to explain about this book and the great work its author has done. I am sure that if you were Iranian and had extensive familiarity with Persian language and literature, you would definitely understand the importance of this book and the content I wrote, but you are an English speaker. ایوب صادقی (talk) 04:37, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: Neither the English nor the Persian version of Mina Vahid's article contains more than a passing mention of this theatrical adaptation. I can't find any evidence that Dal News had a 2007 issue, and the other two book references have insufficent information to locate them. Of the others, Ref. 3 does not mention the book, Ref. 4 is a passing mention in list of credits by Vahid, Ref. 5 is a mirror of a fawikt entry I've marked for speedy deletion. Please let me asssess the remaining sources before posting any more conmments. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:34, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: Ref. 6 is an announcement of an art gallery event, and it pertains to a different work. Ref. 7 is a library search results page. Ref. 8 is an online bookstore listing. In summary, you have provided zero usable sources with enough information to locate them. You are very bad at finding reliable sources. Here's a hint for helping us find books: If you are using the source editor, there is a tool that can automatically generate book citations given an ISBN or academic citations given a DOI. The visual editor probably contains a similar tool as well, but I don't know because I've never used it.
In other news, I have filed an edit request at fa:ایران to remove the content about the book for the same reason as I did at enwiki: it is irrelevant to an article about the country as a whole. I implore that you create a new article specifically about this book or its author through Help:Your first article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the careful review of the article and its sources. Your critique helps improve the quality of the work.
Regarding references 6, 7, and 8:
You are absolutely right. These three sources (gallery announcement, library search results page, and online bookstore listing) are not suitable for citation in Wikipedia. I apologize for these three sources and promise that in my next edit, I will either remove them or replace them with more reliable sources.
However, regarding the overall work and the discussion of "relevance to the Iran article":
Allow me to examine this issue from two angles:
1. Quality of other sources:
Please let's take a look at the other sources used in this article. For example:
- Source #2: A Cambridge University Press book with a valid ISBN
- Source #5: An academic journal article with a valid DOI
- Source #9: A United Nations report
The vast majority of my work has followed Wikipedia's standards, and having just a few problematic sources is not a reason to reject the entire contribution.
2. The question of content relevance to the Iran article:
You mentioned that this book is irrelevant to the Iran article. To clarify the criteria for "relevance," please consider the following examples from **the Iran article itself:
In the "Notable People" section of the Iran article, names such as **Rumi, Ferdowsi, Hafez, Saadi, Khayyam, and Nizami Ganjavi** are listed. In the culture and cuisine section, **an image and description of Chelow Kabab** is presented as Iran's national dish. **Right now, as I'm writing this, that beautiful, colorful photo of Chelow Kabab is prominently displayed on the main Iran page.
If we were to apply the criterion of "direct relevance to the entire country":
- Rumi spent a large part of his life in Konya (modern-day Turkey) and his works have been translated into Turkish. Should we remove his name from the Iran article?
- Chelow Kabab is a specific dish that is not consumed uniformly across all of Iran. **How can a photo of rice and grilled meat** possibly represent all the diverse climates, cultures, ethnicities, and culinary variety of a land called Iran? Isn't fish the main dish in the north and Ghalieh Mahi in the south?
Obviously, none of these are removed, because Wikipedia recognizes **cultural, literary, and artistic symbols** as part of a nation's identity, even if these symbols are not uniformly consumed across the entire country or if part of their creators' lives took place outside today's borders.
The book in question falls into exactly the same category: a cultural and literary work written by an Iranian author about a subject related to Iran. **Perhaps if I had also included an attractive cover image of the book on the page, it would be easier to recognize its relevance to Iran now!**
Final suggestion:**
If this book does not deserve to be in the Iran article, please provide a clear and documented criterion based on which:
- Rumi and Hafez remain in the article
- Chelow Kabab is not removed
- But this book is removed
I am eager to learn this criterion so I can make better contributions in the future.
Otherwise, I suggest we follow the correct path:
1. First, create a separate page for the book or its author (with reliable sources)
2. Then, if that page reaches the standard level, add a link to it in the Iran article
I am ready to collaborate on creating the new page, but if you, as a more experienced user, would guide me or take on the task yourself, it would certainly yield better results for Wikipedia.
Thank you for taking the time to carefully review the sources. After consulting physical archives and examining multiple sources, I have succeeded in extracting complete information, and now the article has a solid foundation to establish the notability of this theatrical adaptation:
This newspaper, one of the most prestigious and widely-read dailies in contemporary Iran, published a brief news item introducing Mina Vahid's book in its **Issue No. 437, dated Tuesday, March 14, 2005 (24 Esfand 1383)** . Interestingly, this source has also been cited as a reliable reference in Wikiquote.
2. The Book "The Crow Is Too Overjoyed to Fit in Its Skin" (کلاغ از خوشحالی در پوست خود نمیگنجشک)
This book, written by Reza Ghanei Rayeni, was published by Nashr-e Sales in 2004 (1383). According to multiple reliable sources, Mina Vahid performed in the theatrical adaptation of this book, and this work is considered one of her most important dramatic performances.
3. Dal Magazine
The physical copy of this magazine from 2007 is available, and it explicitly covers this theatrical adaptation as well as Mina Vahid's role in it.
4. Two Related Books
The incomplete information regarding these two books will also be completed and added to the article.
With this, all the aforementioned sources (Shargh Newspaper, the original theatre book, Dal Magazine, and the two other books) will be added to the article in a standard format after completing the minor details, and the issue of "lack of reliable sources" will be completely resolved. If there are any further points after these corrections, I would be happy to receive your guidance.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
@LaundryPizza03Subject: Request for Clarification on Submitted Sources and Criteria for Content Relevance
Greetings and respect,
To the esteemed administrator [insert administrator's name here],
Thank you for your response. My goal is to draw your attention to an apparent contradiction in the criteria you have applied to evaluate the content of the "Iran" article.
You considered mentioning "Chelow kabab" as a symbol of food culture and naming "medieval poets" as representatives of Iranian literature to be relevant and acceptable in a general overview article. Your reasoning was that this article is a "broad overview" of the country and that these items are part of this overview.
My question is this: Using the same logic, why is mentioning the book **"kalagh az khoshhali dar poste khod nemigonjeshk"** or the name **"Reza Ghani Rayeni"** considered irrelevant?
To clarify the matter and demonstrate that my request is not merely a personal preference, I have previously provided you with sources. Now, to advance the discussion and reach a final clarification, I find it necessary to ask you directly:
Among the sources I previously sent you (including links to Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Elmnet database, and library information), which ones do you consider valid and confirm, and which ones do you see as problematic?**
This clarification will help move the discussion away from personal taste and proceed based on Wikipedia's policies on **Verifiability** and **Due weight**.
In the following, I provide documented information about the importance of this book and its author to complete the record:
1. Regarding the importance of the book "kalagh az khoshhali dar poste khod nemigonjeshk":**
According to available sources, this book is not merely a simple poetry collection. This work has been described as **"an example of a Derridean approach to the issue of language"** and can be considered **"linguistic research"** that attempts to open a way to topics such as **"Deconstruction in Persian language and literature."** This means the book played a role in linking modern Western philosophy with Persian literature. This book was published in 2004 by the reputable publisher **"Nashr-e Sales"** in the "Contemporary Poetry" series.
2. Regarding the position of Reza Ghani Rayeni:**
- He was born on **September 16, 1977** and is considered among the contemporary Iranian writers and poets.
- His works are not limited to this book. According to the science citation database, he has scientific documents and research published by a publisher like **"Nashr-e Sales."** This indicates the seriousness of his literary activity at the academic and contemporary publishing level.
3. An alternative proposal if not accepted in the main article:**
If you still believe that the "Iran" article, due to being a "broad overview," cannot accommodate these details, at the very least, it is expected that this information be included in **more specialized related articles.** For example:
- In the Persian literature article, the absence of contemporary writers like Reza Ghanie Rayeni and new approaches such as "philosophical poetry" or "postmodernism" is felt.
- In the Persian language article, discussing works that deal with the "deconstruction" of language (such as the mentioned book) could be very relevant.
- Or even in an article titled **"Satire in Persian literature,"** if one exists.
If these items are to be included neither in the main Iran article nor in the specialized articles on Persian literature and language, this is no longer a matter of personal judgment, but rather a form of **systematic exclusion and an obvious injustice** to contemporary Iranian cultural figures and movements. Ignoring these intellectual achievements, while similar examples from the past are easily accepted, creates the perception that the criteria for measuring "relevance" are defined solely based on historical antiquity, and the dynamic contemporary culture of Iran is being ignored.
I await your response regarding the confirmation or rejection of the previous sources so that the discussion can proceed based on Wikipedia's policies, not personal taste.
By the way, I never questioned the existence or reliability of #1. But the scan you provided seems to be another press release featuring an excerpt, not secondary coverage. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:54, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 "How would you like me to summarize the content of the sources? My sources are written materials such as magazines, newspapers, and books. Could you please provide a bit more guidance? All of them contain detailed information about the poetry book and its author. There are also reviews in various magazines about the play in which Mina Vahid performed." ایوب صادقی (talk) 06:30, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: What do the sources say about the book? What kind of sources are they? Are they directory listings, press releases, reviews, or something else? Why not add these sources (and new text cited to these sources) to your sandbox instead of asking me to do this lifting for you? Your article should follow a similar structure as existing articles about books, such as Mom & Me & Mom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:37, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I am writing to kindly request your guidance and approval regarding the inclusion of updated and corrected content in articles related to Iran, particularly those concerning Persian Literature, Persian Language, and Iranian Culture.
If you agree, I would be happy to repost the materials with the latest changes and properly cited sources. Alternatively, if you prefer, you may post them yourself. If, however, you are not in favor of this, would it be possible for you to share your email address so I can send you additional images that demonstrate the validity of the sources for the poetry book in question?
I genuinely want to ensure that the information I contribute is accurate, well-sourced, and adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines. I would greatly appreciate your advice on how best to proceed.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you.
I already told you: if you send by email, we may both go to jail for copyright infringement. Please summarize each of the print sources in your own words. You do not need to email me this information. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:28, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I think source #2 is a review and therefore an acceptable source. Good job, you finally provided something that can be used to support the article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:31, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Reza Ghani rayeni, known by his pen name Vesta, is a contemporary Iranian writer and poet. He is best known for his poetry book titled (Kalagh az Khoshali dar Puste Khod Nemigonjeshk), published in 2004. This book presents an innovative and different approach to Persian poetry and has sparked much discussion in literary circles.
Some prominent features of his thought and works:
- Philosophical Approach to Language: Vesta's works, especially the mentioned book, are deeply influenced by post-structuralist philosophy, particularly the ideas of Jacques Derrida and the concept of "Deconstruction." He attempts to show that meaning in language is always in a state of deferral and slippage, and that one cannot achieve a final, fixed meaning or truth in language. From this perspective, his poetry is more of a linguistic and philosophical inquiry than simply a traditional poetic work.
- Breaking Traditional Structures of Poetry: Vesta challenges the conventional structures of Persian poetry by using specific linguistic techniques. His writing is full of confusion, contradiction, and deferral in expressing meaning—characteristics that directly stem from the deconstruction approach.
- Creating a New Style in Persian Literature: Literary critics and authorities, including those in academic textbooks like Stylistics of Persian Literature, have referred to him and his work as the founder or introducer of the deconstruction style in modern Iranian literature. A brief explanation that can be provided in this regard is that most sources address both the author and the poetry book itself. For example, the book Stylistics of Persian Literature, which examines the styles of different eras, mentions this poetry book and its author as pioneers of the deconstruction style in Iranian Persian literature and states that in modern Iranian literature, this has been the most brilliant and influential style to date, which has sparked a revolution in Persian literature.
- Published Works: According to available information, the book "The Crow Is So Happy It Can't Contain Itself" is his most important and well-known work, published in 2004. Also, based on the Islamic World Science Citation Center (ISC), two scientific or research works by him titled "Reading" (Khanesh) and "Third Publication" (Nashr-e Sales) have been registered.
- Activity in Other Artistic Fields: It seems that Vesta's intellectual and artistic concerns were not limited to poetry and extended to other fields such as theater. There is evidence that his work, or a play adapted from his book, was performed featuring Mina Vahid, and reviews were written about it in various magazines. This indicates that his thinking has also been influential in other arts. ایوب صادقی (talk) 07:10, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 Please note that I don't want to create a separate article titled after this book. I only want to add content about it to other existing articles, such as those about Iran, Persian Literature, Persian Language, etc. So, could you please advise me, now that I have added new sources, which previous sources should I remove and which ones should I keep? I will add the content to the articles myself, and then if you could please remove the sources you deem inappropriate from the bottom of the entries. Would that be okay? ایوب صادقی (talk) 07:31, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 If you still need images of the magazines, newspapers, and books, I can provide them for you on this same page using the previous method. Perhaps you are not aware that copyright in my country, Iran, has absolutely no importance whatsoever, and there is no law to prevent its violation. Everyone does whatever they want—for example, a musician's song quickly appears on all websites, and the artist has no right to protest. It's that ridiculous and laughable! ایوب صادقی (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@ایوب صادقی: Okay, so I can expect that this source will be usable to support material about the book. In Modern Persian poetry, I'd add one sentence about Reza Ghani Rayeni at the end of the last paragraph or name-drop him in the last sentence. Otherwise, we will need to write a standalone article about this author or his book. You understand Persian and have access to the book, so this will be your responsibility. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:58, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Could you also add some content about this in the articles on Iran and the Persian Language? What would be the best text in your opinion? Let me know, and I'll write the same. ایوب صادقی (talk) 08:05, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 I completely understand your point. Would you be so kind as to add just one sentence about Reza Ghanirayni to the Iran article yourself? I genuinely trust your judgment on which sources are best to use. It would mean a lot to me and I'd be deeply grateful for your expertise. ایوب صادقی (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You could get help corroborating and processing sources from someone at WikiProject Literature. There's probably someone who speaks Persian and can help you there. I should note that I am relying on machine translation here, and my primary field of expertise is physics, not literature. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:33, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this source will contain any information about Reza Ghani Rayeni, since it predates The Crow Is Too Overjoyed to Fit in Its Skin: it is dated 2001/2. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:12, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaundryPizza03 Please also take a look at the Iran article. I finally managed to create a very short and concise piece of text about this book that is highly relevant to Iran. Thank you so much for your help, dear friend. I truly appreciate all your support.🌹🌷 ایوب صادقی (talk) 14:24, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Shargh newspaper, Issue 437, March 14, 2005, "Short news."
^And the Poet Hammered the Cigarette," Newspaper Hamrah, Year 1, Issue 25, March 1, 2005.
^The book "Stylistics in Persian Literature of Iran, Volume Two".
Thank you for filling in the rows on this table. I was doing it the hard way as I don't know much about such things. One thing I'd like to do is to insert full width blank lines in which I can insert landmarks to aid in navigation, but don't know how, but presume it's possible. Doug butler (talk) 21:39, 12 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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The "paraphrasing notices' do not apply since Federal Register documents are in the public domain where copying information is allowed. Most of the information in the article are general facts regarding location, geography, climate and soil characteristics that are considered by TTB for establishing an AVA a kin to the encyclopedia prose Wikipedia favors. Therefore, the notices are unwarranted.Fb2002 (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I see you're making tons of fixes to category loops and other categorization issues - like seriously a ton. Just wanted to give a kudos for your work. Stormh99 (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I didn't check the translation or the talk page before tagging, and I thought it was them trying to frame other editors by refactoring talk page comments, so that's truly my bad. Regardless, the account is global locked for crosswiki abuse. Again, sorry about the mishap. Realtent (talk) 02:46, 1 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Your mass RfD tagging is causing lots of pages to say Lua error in Module:RfD at line 156: bad argument #4 to 'format' (string expected, got nil).. Until User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD.js has been corrected to no longer generate that error, it would be best for you to stop using massXFD.js. GTrang (talk) 23:33, 5 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Strange. I did a dry run (Special:Diff/1352859877) and it worked as expected. Not sure what caused the error in this case. {{Rfd}} doesn't seem to have changed recently. I don't even see how it's possible to produce such an error from Module:RfD#L-156; I'm by no means experienced in lua, but all the nullable values there appear to be guarded. Qwerfjkltalk17:34, 6 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Hello LaundryPizza03. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Kenyum, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: there is no harm in a draft being used as a 'test'. Thank you. CoconutOctopustalk19:28, 6 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I have started trying to split the American composers and its sub-categories by state. It is a lot of work. Any help would be appreciated. On the other hand I understand it is a lot of work, I just noticed you had supported it so you might be able to help. Thankyou for all you do. You are appreciated. I wish people would send more positive messages on Wikipedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't feel that any of this except Wikidata is actually necessary here. And updating page names on Wikidata should be automated. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:44, 13 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
ArAr'Hani has contributed lots of other wholesale nonsense to other articles. It looks like the basis is string-match of some text fragment, which would be consistent with LLM or an incompetent google-search. See also their puppet Xenon℅Saturn. DMacks (talk) 04:09, 16 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
LuandryPizza03,
Thanks for all you with CFD closures; it's very appreciated. Would you mind double-checking your closures on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 May 9? It looks like several of the metro categories are being merged to themselves which might just be a long way of saying "keep". Also several of the city cats where most !votes were to keep are being merged which is certainly possible if the minority had better arguments but there's no analysis in the close decision which is pretty customary in that situation.
Hi LaundryPizza03, thanks for your closings at CfD (I agree with RevelationDirect above that they're quite appreciated!). I noticed that you also relisted one of the discussions that I had previously closed; was this intentional? If you disagree with the close I'd be glad to have it stay open, but I thought the consensus on that one was pretty clear. Best, Staraction (talk·contribs) 02:47, 18 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've just closed the discussion at the May 17 log. I'll also tag some of the other categories you've relisted since a reverse merge has been proposed. Hopefully we're all good now! Best, Staraction (talk·contribs) 05:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I ended up undoing your undo if that's alright? I think this is probably the safest & easiest way to resolve the issue because otherwise we'd have to manually add back to the May 9 log. If you disagree feel free to re-add to the May 9 log, ping me, and I'll close it again. Best, Staraction (talk·contribs) 05:04, 18 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've definitely had off days, both in real life and at Wikipedia, so I'm sympathetic here and understand you're frustrated. I did want to quickly outline what happened and how we fixed it should any procedural questions come up later:
Some closes on the May 9th log were in error, either being technically impossible or not providing analysis on controversial closes.
This was fixed by undoing those closes and relisting those as open nominations on the 5/17 log.
A close by another editor was inadvertently swept up in this and, ultimately, reclosed on the 5/17 log.
For the future, I encouraged the nominator to use group noms to make this easier on everybody!
Redirects you have created have been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 May 5 § Bilingual redirects with an Arabic-script language until a consensus is reached. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:24, 5 May 2026 (UTC)
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