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CHART: As Services For Main Street Are Gutted, Richest Pay Lowest Taxes In A Generation

BERJAYA Last night President Obama and congressional negotiators cut a deal to keep the government running, cutting “$38.5 billion under current funding levels, per Republican demands,” and $78 billion below what Obama called for in his initial 2011 budget.

Yet as Republicans and Democrats continue to battle over the deficit within a political framing that includes taking aim at Pell Grants for low-income students — which Obama preemptively proposed to cut, calling summer grants “too expensive,” while Republicans want far deeper cuts than that — Head Start funding, and other programs from Main Street Americans, there is one group of Americans that seems to be getting away without having any sacrifices demanded of them: the very richest.

As this chart from from Wealth for the Common Good shows, the top 400 taxpayers — who have more wealth than half of all Americans combined — are paying lower taxes than they have in a generation, as their tax responsibilities have slowly collapsed since the New Deal era as working families have been asked to pay more and more:

BERJAYA

There have been a handful of proposals by congressional progressives to once again put requiring more sacrifice from the luckiest among us back on the table. The Congressional Progressive Caucus recently unveiled a “People’s Budget” that would boost taxes on the wealthiest Americans, returning them to levels closer to where they were under Ronald Reagan’s first term — hardly socialism.

Yet these proposals have yet to gain steam, and the budget debate in Washington appears to revolve completely around cutting spending for Main Street Americans who’ve already been asked to pay too much during the recession. That’s why there’s a Main Street Movement demanding fair sacrifice and standing up for the great American middle class. Whether it succeeds may determine the fate of most hard-working Americans for a generation to come.


  • Anonymous

    In the tone of the Bundy children, Bud and Kelly, “Thanks Mr. President.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I’m shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Obviously we need more cuts,,,,,,,that’s what will do it!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT

    I forget we did elect a dem in 2008??? or did McCain win??? so confusing, I’m having a blonde moment…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LHMWVSEDWD77WJVS5T4MRIAD5Q Michael M

    A Main Street Movement sounds really nice, unfortunately it is a waste of time. America is owned by big business and the mega wealthy. This once great Country will soon be a mirror of a third world Country. Poverty, hunger, sickness and death will be prevalent in the streets everyday. It saddens me that Americans have become so ignorant that they have allowed this to happen. I can tell you one thing…when it comes, I do not want to hear anyone complain to me about, I will be tempted to spit in their face as they were warned for years.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Don’t be down Michael, we just need a few more tax cuts. We all need to sacrifice you know………don’t be selfish!!!! Everything is going to be fine as soon as Obama compromises with Paul Ryan and gets rid of that awful Medicare stuff………….you know all that socialist stuff…………..BIG SNARK

  • Anonymous

    This is a war. A war between those who benefit by gathering up the most money possible and those who are simply trying to raise a family and make a better life for them. Those on the right go to work everyday and their only mission that day is to come up with ways to take your money and any opportunities from you. That is what they do – all day, every day.

    The argument I hear from some independents is that the GOP isn’t ‘that bad’. They couldn’t be ‘that bad’. Wrong. They are ‘that bad’ and they will remain ‘that bad’. That is all they do. Democrats must learn that fact or perish. Time is running out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    The enemy isn’t Republicans or the Tea Party and the more you focus on that distraction the less attention is focused on the real enemy. The war in this country is between the people and the oligarchy (Corporate America). We no longer prosecute Trusts or Monopolies. In fact we seem to worship at the temple of Oligarchy. Point in fact, AIG which provides nothing in terms of “produced goods”, strangles innovation, entrepreneurial new starts , technology, and of course jobs, is allowed to function completely unopposed. However it isn’t just AIG, here is a small example that most folks don’t know. If you need a pair of glasses and decide to go out and get a competitive price you’ll probably go to places like Pearle Vision, Sears, JC Penny etc…. What you’ll find is that most prices are within a very narrow range and there is not much choice. The reason is that almost without exception all these glasses factories today are owned lock stock and barrel by one company, Luxottica .In the U.S. it looks like competition but when you go behind the brand names you find one company controlling that particular market. How is that a free market? If you do the reading you can say exactly the same thing about companies in the banking system, the healthcare system, and energy companies.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    I’ve lived through much of this time and today’s Republicans are the most offensive, self-serving group I can recall. Hopefully, we can get this information out. I no longer expext anything from the White House, current residence of Barrack “The Less Than Bold” Obama.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Lady, you are a treasure. That comment is headed for my place.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Cletis, I hope you don’t mind, I let my hubby read your story on your blog. When he was finished he simply said, “that guy must be the strongest guy on the planet, I don’t think I could’ve survived. You have another fan in a round about way…..

    Son is still here so I’m on and off throughout the day………so don’t think I am ignoring anyone…….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Your sweet as usual

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Great point, Strat. One does not negotiate with a serpent. One chops its head off.

  • http://twitter.com/professorx10 J Horton

    Cletis
    The Voter’s in 2010 gave the serpent more power. Thanks NON VOTERS Progressives who wine a lot and decided to let more republicans in the House.

  • http://twitter.com/professorx10 J Horton

    Stewarjt
    The Voter’s in 2010 gave the serpent more power. Thanks NON VOTERS Progressives who wine a lot and decided to let more republicans in the House.

  • Anonymous

    Seems kind of sad, but Corporate America has figured out how to make magnificent profits without regard to main street or middle class America. Michael Moore was right–there’s plenty of money out there, but not for you.

  • Ritorna Vincitor

    That’s my biggest problem with the budget deal. The rich remain in control, cutting services to the poor and middle class in order to reduce the budget, while repeal of the Bush tax cut would have paid for all this many times over. And the biggest GOP attacks on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security still lie ahead. The GOP controls the agenda, and the focus is on cutting their targets, not on making the rich pay.

    I do not necessarily buy the notion that the GOP didn’t compromise in last night’s deal. While we know that abortion had no place in the negotiations, we also know that the teaparty is full of fanatics who are rabidly opposed to abortion, and even the concept of compromise. I’ve been at the table in five collective bargaining negotiations, some of which were very ugly, and one of which involved a lock out. I can believe that GOP negotiators had a very difficult time getting their side to give up some of their demands, whether or not our side thinks those demands were bogus or out of place. And I can believe that a lot of Republicans are as unhappy with the “deal” as a lot of us Democrats are.

    But what is unacceptable to me is that once again the rich and powerful have dodged HUGE amounts of taxes, and managed to shift more of the burden onto the poor and middle class. It was the extension of the Bush tax cuts that really screwed us. Doing away with those cuts would have paid for all of last night’s cuts many times over. And next the GOP is going after the sick and the elderly and the future retirements of the working class through cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, while at the same time insisting that the rich must not see a tax increase. Allowing this to happen is where the Democrats have failed.

  • Anonymous

    They still don’t have the best tax laws their money can but they’re working on it. If you take the koch’s $1 billion in Welfare checks and subtract their taxes and their political contributions and so-called charitable co0ntributions, I’ll bet they still have more left over than the average t-partier!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    “Allowing this to happen is where the Democrats have failed.”

    I agree Ritorna however that could be reversed with a bit of help from the President by incorporating the most powerful political tool he has, the bully pulpit. It isn’t that the rethugs are doing something they’ve never done before, remember Truman and his use of that device. It’s about standing up for what you believe in and after 2 1/2 years I wonder what the President stands for or what he thinks is important. I thought I knew in 2008, but I was wrong about those assumptions.

    “A bully pulpit is a public office or other position of authority of sufficiently high rank that provides the holder with an opportunity to speak out and be listened to on any matter. The bully pulpit can bring issues to the forefront that were not initially in debate, due to the office’s stature and publicity.

    This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a “bully pulpit,” by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt famously used the word bully as an adjective meaning “superb” or “wonderful” (a more common expression in his time than it is today).”

  • Anonymous

    The richer they get the more money they have to pay lawyers (and repub pols) to find ways to keep them from paying more/any taxes. The beat goes on. The lawyers and pols know how they themselves can avoid taxes, of course.

  • Austininc4

    Corporate America has an agenda, and that is to destroy the American Middle Class, which in their logic will increase their profits 10 fold. Until people in the Middle Class face that FACT, in a matter of years there won’t be a Middle Class.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    That’s the incredible part about all of this pete. These tparty people believe with all their hearts that they are part of the Koch’s; the Armey’s; the Bush’s; families. Do you remember when W was voted the guy they’d like to have a beer with??? Problem is that NONE of the “families” named above would even be caught dead talking to the tpartiers, much less having a beer with them. They are the uber wealthy, the elite!! Have a beer with a tparty person, highly unlikely!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/ArtistHelldiger Artist Helldigger

    Twisting the truth as usual. You guys dont fool anyone.

    Fiscal Facts

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

    “Each year from 2005 to 2007, the top 1 percent’s constantly growing share of income earned and taxes paid set a record. That trend reversed in 2008. In fact, the income share for the top 1 percent of tax returns was lower in 2008 than in 2000, largely due to differences in capital gains.

    Another indicator of this reversal in the income and tax shares of the top 1 percent is that during 2007, the top 1 percent had actually paid more in federal income tax than the bottom 95 percent, a comparison that was much remarked on a year ago. But the diminished income of the top 1 percent in 2008 means that the comparison no longer holds. During 2008, the bottom 95 percent (AGI under $159,619) paid 41.3 percent of the total collected, a larger share than the 38.0 percent paid by the top 1 percent (AGI over $380,354).

    The top-earning 5 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $159,619), however, still paid far more than the bottom 95 percent. The top 5 percent earned 34.7 percent of the nation’s adjusted gross income, but paid approximately 58.7 percent of federal individual income taxes.”

    When the wealthy make less money the revenue stream dries up. Taxing wealthy people more and more and more, sounds great to nitwit progressives, but in reality it kills off productivity, jobs and tax revenue. Tax them enough and they take their business overseas and YOU IDIOTS lose those dollars permanently.

    Try again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Exactly

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    You are obviously a Fool and tpartier. Lets see some links or facts in you’re mass delusional rant. There is not one iota of truth in that blithering mass of crap………………………………..

  • http://www.facebook.com/patrick.l.tolle Patrick L. Tolle

    I’m not sure third world country is that accurate. More like one big company town where everybody owes their soul for those things still available and it will be only on a two or three tier system. As usual the rich will have the first and best of everything and everybody else will be left to scrounge and scavenge and make do with the leftovers.

  • Anonymous

    Where are the jobs?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    China, Russia, Africa, Brazil…………………………………..

  • Anonymous

    shhhh! – the magic taxcut teabean vines with all the jobs on them are trying to sprout,

    but when people don’t cheerlead the right way, the angels won’t allow them to.

  • http://twitter.com/BaracksEvilTwin BaracksEvilTwin

    BaracksEvilTwin
    @billmaher “He is a terrible negotiator; does he not even KNOW a Jew?” Ya #MORON He’s the mayor of #Chicago now. #Obama2012 Really who else

  • Anonymous

    But wait! Last night there was great jubilation at how OblaBla beat back the T-Party/GOP and saved Planned Parenthood for all time. Did you people wake up this AM and discover the sham that was pulled on you again?

    The script could have been written by Charles Schultz.

    Lucy: I’ll hold the football Charlie Brown, you run up and kick it.

    Charlie Brown: AUUUGH! Not Again!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Here come the trolls from the Kochsukers realm……………….

  • Anonymous

    Not will be – are now. Every day there a 3-4 people begging at the end of the freeway off ramp by my house. I know so many people who are holding on by their fingernails; I’m afraid that we are sliding not just to the status of a thrid world country, but to civil war. I am finding it harder and harder to find a reason to stay here.

  • Anonymous

    they’re angry that we’re not cheerleading the magic taxcut teabean vines the right way,

    and it’s keeping the jobs from fruiting forth.

  • http://twitter.com/ArtistHelldiger Artist Helldigger

    Instead of being the victim all the time and making successful people out to be at war with YOU, you should try to be more like them so their tax dollars don’t have to support losers like YOU>

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    Nice link… The Tax Foundation was purchased In 1989, by “Citizens for a Sound Economy” a conservative group founded and funded by, you guessed it, Koch Industries.

  • Anonymous

    how do you know so much about stratrat’s private life?

  • Austininc4

    You wasted all that space with nothing but misinformation and a majority of LIES. The Bush Tax Cuts and Hiding 100′s of Billions in off shore Bank accounts allowed the Wealthy and Corporations to get away with murder. From Defense Contractors, Banks, and Big Oil Companies just to name a few they all get subsides from the Federal Government. They put $1.00 dollar in the hands of the Government and get $3.00 dollars back in the other hand.

    Idiots like you will be the death of the American Middle Class. You better get use to working for Pennies, you MORON!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I know, all you have to do is reach up and pick one off the vine…………I mean show me any economist who believes that in the middle of a recession you stop government spending and give massive tax breaks to the wealthy. Of course outside of the Master of Economics, Saint Ronald “deficits don’t matter” Reagan……………..

  • Austininc4

    LOL!! A LOSER calling someone else a LOSER. Go away you pathetic MORON!!!!

  • Austininc4

    BYE BEATCH!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Yep, that’s what we all strive for, to be a half witted, teabag, moron so we spout out all the crap that you kochsuckers love……………………slide back under that rock you came out from……………

  • Anonymous

    (i bet some of his best friends are minorities, too)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    lol, Tom you always make me smile just when I’m getting worked up……….

  • Anonymous

    when fuzz isn’t here debasing himself,

    he goes to the scene of tragic car accidents to laugh at the victims’ misfortune.

    ’cause he’s classy like that.

  • Anonymous

    Of course last night you were not only cheerleading the defeat of the T-Party/GOP you were prancing around in your little skirt waving your pom-poms. Quite the sight. How’s the hangover?

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, he’s an Idiot.. and a TOOL for the opposition.

  • Anonymous

    and a really dull one to boot!

  • Austininc4

    Exactly…

  • Austininc4

    Last night Teabaggers were calling for John Boners HEAD on a silver Platter. Didn’t sound like they felt like winners.

  • Anonymous

    didja notice mrs. fuzz was walkin’ kinda funny this morning?

    -that’s how my hangover’s doin’.

  • Anonymous

    At least the country profited by the 2008 election, even if progressives, Communists and socialists didn’t.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    “There are three kinds of lies” lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Mark Twain Now, that said, we can agree statistics can be selectively chosen to give an essential lie an aura of respectability. Still, statistics can be instructive. Why haven’t you gotten mad that for 30 years, the richest 10% of Americans have 96% of all the income gains, and the richest 1% have acquired 62% of all the wealth?” Does it bother you that many corporations, regarded as individuals by the SCOTUS, pay no tax at all on billions and indeed receive huge subsidies from the average person’s labor? For me, it is a moral issue of shared sacrifice and shared benefit. Does that consideration concern you at all? Aren’t budgets and the underlying sources of revenue moral choices we make? Artist, these are not abstractions for me nor do I put them forth as rhetorical questions. You are obviously not stupid but what has brought you to a point where you have lost your inherent sense of justice and your inherent sense of shame? No matter how far you have gone down a path, if it is the wrong path, turn back. Artist, you really are on the wrong path.

  • Anonymous

    gabe’s roadmap shows the way to the magic teabean patch,

    but none of those actual, professional economists will admit it!

  • http://twitter.com/ArtistHelldiger Artist Helldigger

    A better idea is make some of your OWN money instead of sucking off the tit of government.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, Boehner and the Republicans won. He even got vouchers for public school kids in D.C., a pet project of his that the teacher unions hated (because helping kids hurt teachers’ guarantee of jobs even if they were incompetent).

    In the end, ironically, this helps Obama’s re-election chances as he is seen as tacking toward the center/right.

  • Austininc4

    This is the Insanity of the Republican Party and the Corporations. This country has been at WAR since 2002, the Wealthy and Corporations have enjoyed Tax Breaks since 2001. Anyone who can count from 1 to 10 knows their is no way a nation can function like that.

    The US had borrowed money from every nation in the World before 2009, and the National Debt doubled from 2001-2008, but according to Republicans President Obama is the problem.

    Only a FOOL would except their opinion.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Exactly: So when will Big Oil, for just one example, return the 5 billion a year the government currently gives them? Oh, I forgot, that’s a subsidy not welfare for the wealthy.

  • Anonymous

    And I would appreciate it if you would fill the grave back in today too, and pick up your shovels.

  • Anonymous

    If McCain had won, there would be a lot more innocent Libyan people alive, Iran would not be closer to a nuclear weapon, and Iranian citizens would be closer to freedom.

    And there would be no vile evil called ObamaCare that is wasting everyone’s time while we wait to see it repealed or defunded or substantially altered to where it bears no resemblance to its original purpose.

    There’s no mistake about it.

  • Austininc4

    If , Boehner and the Republicans won, why were the Teabaggers calling for his HEAD and threatening to vote him out of office?

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    Why stop there? Why not drop by you boss’s office Monday and ask for a pay-cut? Or cancel your company-paid health insurance? Or both?

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, why don’t you send that comment to EXXON, AIG, BofA ALL the NO Bid Defense Contractors..

  • Anonymous

    If you give up something, it is not a sacrifice if it conforms to your values.

    If you give up something, it is a sacrifice if it does not conform to your values.

    Most progressives do not understand the term — including Obama — although they use it a lot.

  • Anonymous

    Ever notice how Republicans suddenly find their deficit cutting legs when a Democrat enters the White House. When the Bushes were in Republicans spent like fools, when Reagan was in Republicans spent like fools, when Clinton was president, they shut down Congress to show how tired they were of Democrats spending, and now that Obama is president, they have suddenly become tired of spending again.

    In the meantime, they and the richest one percent who they represent and who have gained all the benefits from the last 25 years of productivity gains, are so tired of paying taxes that Ryan wants to lower the rate on the highest earners to 25 percent, the same rate it was before the Great Depression, an act which he erroneously claimed in true Republican trickle-down fashion would reduce a spectacular jobless rate to 2.8 percent because when we last had a 25 percent top income tax rate the unemployment rate only soared to 30 percent and nothing sells like the big lie.

    Although this recent lie proved so BIG that Ryan had it removed from his web site shortly after it appeared. Krugman has the story on that erasure under “Memory Hole Alert” (scroll down) here:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. We see the fruits of the party of No!

    No jobs plan.

    No serious budget plan.

  • Anonymous

    Why was my comment reviewed? Because I quoted George Carlin? I didn’t use his favorite word.

  • Anonymous

    Your predictions fall flat, as usual.

  • Austininc4

    Thank You, these Moronic Trolls aren’t that bright. They are TOOLS of the Tea Party, Owned by Koch Industry.

  • Anonymous

    They are freeloaders, when tax rates are compared. Forget it.

  • Anonymous

    You should learn the difference between an argument and an opinion about some group.

  • Mathazar

    Interesting that the most progressive period was in 55, according to the chart.
    That’s a time that many conservatives consider “the good old days”
    Production was booming, demand was high, and a single breadwinner could own a nice home, support a family, and send them to college.
    median family- % 7.4
    top 400- % 51.2
    speaks for itself.

  • Anonymous

    Using tax refund stats is pettifogging. The total tax percentage is what counts, including payroll tax deductions which don’t appear on tax returns.

    Fail.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Note to Pablo: Pablo, little fellow, when you attempt to debate with the brilliant and well-informed people on this board, you have about as much chance as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest.

  • Anonymous

    Taxing wealthy people more and more and more, sounds great to nitwit progressives, but in reality it kills off productivity, jobs and tax revenue.

    ———————

    Taxes were at their lowest rates since the 40′s, for a decade. 1.7 million net job loss for the same period.

    Strike two.

  • Austininc4

    LOL!!!!!! Good One!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Ohhh very nice swat!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    When starting from a false premise, a thesis debunks itself.

  • Anonymous

    Great. I’m concerned with the lives affected by these budget cuts and the general economic situation which needs more short term government spending not less. I’m not at all concerned with someone’s election chances.

  • Anonymous

    :)

  • Anonymous

    Because the Koch Bros. told them to?

  • Anonymous

    “lllleaaaaave britney AAALOOOOOOOONNNE!!!!!!!!”

  • Austininc4

    OT:

    This is a link to the Daily Kos, that has shot holes into the Wisconsin Country Clerks missing Votes. The Lady LIED and it will be easily proven.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/07/964645/-Kathy-Nickolaus-in-Waukesha-forgot-to-saveReally

  • Anonymous

    you have proof that someone/anyone here is doing that?

    if not – stfu.

  • Anonymous

    That extortion argument again….

  • Anonymous

    Rather than engage about class warfare, I’ll simply suggest you go see a film coming out on April 15th at a theatre near you. It’s called “Atlas Shrugged – Part 1″, based on Ayn Rand’s novel of the same name.

    I believe her novel is second only to the Bible in all-time sales in America in the last 50 years, so it has a bit of a following. Reading the book itself is probably better than simply a film about one-third of it.

    The film will serve as a starting point to a more “well-rounded” education.

  • Anonymous

    Learn…from you? I read your words. You have nothing to share.

  • Anonymous

    lockheed sucks that gov’t t!t pretty hard…

    …where’s the tea-rage?

  • Austininc4

    And Haliburton, KBR

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Yes but they just “lost their way” it wasn’t their fault we had two unfunded wars and a Medicare benefit totally unpaid for and of course those job creating tax cuts….whew, all the jobs just make you head spin………..wasn’t their fault….

    “The devil made them do it”

  • Austininc4

    based on Ayn Rand’s novel of the same name.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I suggest you go fcuk yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Oh lord.

  • Anonymous

    You believe that? Really? You’re dumber than I thought.

    Numbers, fakie, numbers. Let’s see them.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    And, BigAgra, big time.

  • Anonymous

    The tea partiers ARE those people, honey.

  • Anonymous

    Will it include a discussion of her taking welfare, after criticizing other SSI recipients?

  • Anonymous

    the list of crooked trough-hogs runs pretty long,

    but teapeople can’t seem to tell the difference between pennies and hundred dollar bills.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the chuckle…Statistically, Progressives make MUCH more money and achieve higher levels of education than Conservatives. Democrats also give more to charitable causes. With a lot of luck and hard work, I proved both of those statistics correct. Good luck to you.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it updated, with HSR context?

    That will make the righties heads pop right off.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Irrelevant pablum, we don’t have a free market economy, we have an oligarchy which has nothing to do with Rand’s work….

    strike three and your out

    Go back over and get a little more pounding from your masters the kochsuckers

  • Austininc4

    Yep, and they will follow the Kochs off a cliff.

  • Anonymous

    You could also read a book or visit one of several internet websites to find out.

    Silly anti-capitalist arguments may make you feel relevant, I suppose, but they’re all in your head.

  • Anonymous

    “The Overtone Window”?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I love it when the ignorant and clueless right wing lemmings come here and play the role of the cheerleader for the wealthy. It is hilarious how these brainwashed right wing lemmings continue to support the very people whose low or no taxes makes the right wing lemmings own taxes go up.

    Way to go right wing lemmings! You continue to show how totally stupid you are by repeating the rhetoric of those who are wealthy, you are fighting their battle while kicking yourselves in the wallet.

    So you right wing lemmings keep on dreaming that someday you too will become a millionaire or billionaire, just like those who keep on screwing you and and this country that you pretend to love, over and over. Maybe, perhaps someday the wealthy will throw you a gold plated crumb, but don’t count on it because they don’t give a rats @ss about you or any of us.

  • Anonymous

    You know he is right. Corporations’ only goal is to maximize their profits – all other things are secondary. It is their daily function and purpose.

  • Austininc4

    Yep, Michelle Bachmann is one those with the hand out.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    You mean those bussed-in nutbags in K-Mart clothing carrying signs that say “Keep Guv’mint Outta My MediCare” That’s your elite?

  • Anonymous

    - never pausing to notice that chuck and dave are actually in a helicopter.

  • Austininc4

    Hey, don’t call somebody you don’t know!!!!

  • Austininc4

    The tea partiers ARE TOOLS!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    You quote the actual IRS statistics. Only a deranged progressive would call you a fool for laying out the facts. It conflicts with their fantasy.

    Continue to refuse to enable their delusions, my friend.

    You are helping them tremendously. I mean, you’re helping those few progressives who actually listen and WANT to get better.

  • Anonymous

    I predicted they would cave. I now predict the GOP suddenly winds down this campaign, to focus of 2012 re-election campaigns. The baggers have their tidbit, and are expected to pipe down, until after the election.

  • Austininc4

    The Teabaggers are the Perfect TOOL for the Corporations and the Republican Party, “GULLIBLE”!!!!

  • Anonymous

    pablo’s already got $1300 in his Prepaid Legal account,

    for when his lotto #’s come up.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Bend over b*tch, the corporation wants to give you an award.

  • Anonymous

    Look it up yourself. And with what little integrity you can find in yourself, apologize to him immediately thereafter.

  • Anonymous

    The Tea Baggers idea was started by the wealthy stock trader (Santili, I think his name is) and fueled by astroturf groups run by Rove and the Koch Bros. They are conservative Republicans, that’s all.

  • Anonymous

    “cherry-pick” is not the same as “quote”, fyi.

  • Anonymous

    Debunked. Sad little groupie.

  • Anonymous

    Progressive/liberal mocking of the President and Democrats got us in to the ’10 mess . . . people who have sway on blogs being the worst offenders. I’m really tired of Obama-bashing in the areas where he has the least control – dealing with obstructionists. It one thing to say that we wish he’d take a tougher position with Rs, but it quite another to kick him in the a$$.

    He’s the guy I worked hard for and had the privilege of meeting. I understood then that he was all about reason and bipartisanship. I also understood that he would govern close to center, which I think is exactly what the President of all citizens should do, and that he would not turn out to be the Democratic version of the imperialist Bush. I understood these things because I paid attention during the campaign, and never once thought he could perform magic.

    I understood then as I understand now that Obama would be walking a tightrope no other president has had to walk before – the line between being firm and being called by detractors an “angry black man”. Coupled with spineless Democratic majorities who let the Democratic message get lost in the hysteria of wingnut baggers, and Congressional Republicans who announced right from the beginning that they intended to say “no” and obstruct in every way possible, I don’t suggest Obama be given a “free pass” but I do expect people to realize that the man spends every day shoveling it against the extraordinarily emboldened and extraordinarily powerful red tide.

    Last week you said that Obama was without integrity. Now, “Less than Bold”. Sounds like ’09 grumbling all over again . . . the last thing liberals need heading in to ’12. I’m already working on team Obama ’12, and on campaigns of state Democrats. I won’t play the “bash Obama” game. I chose to object when I hear it and won’t participate when I see it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Donald Trump is calling, he wants to visit you in your one room trailer home to give you a medal for fighting his fight. Good little boy.

  • Austininc4

    His quote is a JOKE, you’re to ignorant to know the difference.

  • Anonymous

    their camo’s not even that convincing. someone shoulda told’em that realtree doesn’t work in urban/suburban environments.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    What did Jesus teach us about the money changers and wealth again…?

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    “Four legs goooood. Two legs baaaaad.” Later: “Four legs gooooood. Two legs bettttttter.” George Orwell commenting on the sheep who follow blindly. Orwelll, a genius for the ages and truly a gift from God.

  • Anonymous

    A wide stance, is best.

    Amen.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    He must of serviced a lot of CEO’s to earn that $1300.00.

  • Anonymous

    And what’s with the tri-corner hats? I understand Conservative repubs are retrograde, but all the way back to the 1700′s?

  • Anonymous

    But when you’re batting clean-up, you live on the tips.

  • Anonymous

    It comes from the IRS.

    The information comes out every year. The Tax Foundation and several hundred newspapers, internet sites, and books then republish it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    But, but, but corporate welfare and welfare for the rich is good.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Where did the right wing lemmings go?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I have noticed the pattern. Republicans befoul the nation, Democrats get clean-up duty. Hard to move forward in that equation.

  • Anonymous

    And only figures refund amounts. Weak spin, at best.

  • Austininc4

    You quote the actual IRS statistics.

    HHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah, from the Bush IRS the same IRS that was “COOKING THE BOOKS” for the Bush Regime. Everything that came out of that Regime was “SUSPECT”!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Perfect.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Really…than where are all of the jobs from the Bush tax cuts, moron?

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Pablo, did you know Ayn Rand died on welfare? Look it up. She and her boy lover, Alan Greenspan, are among the most odious of creatures. She has been totally discredited by history and, by the way, under her worldview (Egoism) your incompetent arse and the collective incompetent arse of the Tea People would be expendable.

  • Anonymous

    While folks are at Kos, check out this weeks hate mail collection. It’s the “best of” the 1st quarter.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and the poor Tea Party schmucks don’t even realize they are doing the heavy lifting for people who have nothing but disdain for them…What a fool’s errand these people have been sent on.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    It’s an F-ing disgrace. These boneheads have no idea that the actual Tea Party was about huge tax breaks to a corporation.

  • Austininc4

    The Cheney/Bush IRS, they cooked the books for 8 years. Anything they did was suspect.

  • Anonymous

    Thank Obama, progressives and the anti-corporate zealots driving jobs overseas with onerous regulations and taxes.

  • Anonymous

    It’s baloney, because it ignores SSI payroll tax contributions, which end at $103,000. When those are factored in, the picture is radically different.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    You’re clueless.

  • Anonymous

    AynRandians = New religion like the old ones, based on a fictional character in a book. George Carlin was correct. Man creates god[s] in their own image and likeness.

  • Anonymous

    Maintaining tax rates is not cutting taxes. This is how we know when a progressive is lip-synching to some Marxist song.

  • Austininc4

    Who are you thinking for driving jobs overseas with onerous regulations and taxes., from 2001-2009?

    I’ll be waiting for your answer Troll!!

  • Anonymous

    Or, a whole in the ground and their . . .

  • Anonymous

    You guys should just form a daisy chain and get something out of your mutual masturbatory rhetoric among yourselves.

  • Anonymous

    we surround you.

  • Anonymous

    HaHaHaHa

  • Anonymous

    When you follow the tax table below with knowledge of depressed times, it is all too clear to see what the problem is and how to change it. Others here have posted similar charts.

    http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

    It is the middle class, when given more cash thru tax cuts, who will spend $$$$$ and create a great economy.

  • Anonymous

    Maintaining artificially low tax rates are.

  • Austininc4

    And you Teabaggers need to form a Circle jerk, you can be the pivot man.

  • Anonymous

    Behave yourselves, children.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing, isn’t it. There’s something strange in those tea bags. Contact high?

  • Austininc4

    Buy a CLUE BAGGER!!!!

  • Anonymous

    With a hose, and dish detergent. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • http://twitter.com/jerseyblueboy Karim Walker

    time to fight back.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    … Says the guy with the 6th grade worldview.

  • Anonymous

    He got promoted? Who knew?

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Pick, I have morals, values, and principles. I do not criticize conservatives without justification nor do I criticize progressives without justification. Obama has betrayed the very principles I support. Why then do you think I should not say so? Former lobbyists: He has an administration full of them. Wall Street thieves: Do you know the roles Summers and Geitner played in that heist? Gitmo: Still going strong. Does it cross your mind that the shellacking we took in November was his fault? No one respects a whiner and he allowed our views to be twisted beyond recognition. I respect you and your intelligence but I will not give him a pass as long as he confuses capitulation with compromise. Also, I too, worked diligently for his candidacy.

  • Austininc4

    Prove these Teabagging Trolls are full of sh!t. For 8 years President Bush Bragged about Outsourcing Jobs, and the Republicans agreed it was a good thing. Now it’s Obama’s Fault companies are moving off shore.

    Pathetic!!!!

  • Anonymous

    should i emulate paris hilton,

    or that s.c. johnson heir who’s a child molester?

    andrew luster, murderous heir to the max factor fortune,

    or the dupont guy who killed the wrestling guy?

    -or are you saying i should just find some rich people to adopt me?

  • Anonymous

    Which is extremely stupid in the long run, because eventually there will be no one to buy their goods and services. There aren’t enough rich to make manufacturing mass goods profitable. What they’ll be doing is selling to the Chinese middle class.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    Bagged and tagged.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400812406 Jeph Bennett

    Another useless teabagger brainwashed by Fox news….. so sad to see such stupid sheep letting the wolves tell them how to season themselves for dinnertime. ;)

  • Anonymous

    Health care reform is not called Obamacare by civilized Americans. You are a liar and a barbarian.

  • Anonymous

    My hope is this story is growing and will not be swept under the carpet or lost thru distraction.

    For Kathy Nickolaus, with connections to Prosser, a history of being reprimanded, a better than average knowledge of computer systems to pull out or find just enough votes is too outrageous.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    51% down to 16% isn’t “maintaining” anything. So “Marxists” are people who can read a chart or perform simple math now?

  • pete

    C’mon people. If you can’t ignore the stupid trolls completely at least have the sense to flag them. This place is unreadable on weekends and it’s all of US who let it happen.

    While a bit off topic, these are the people we need to remove from the body politic. Cut them off and let them die on the vine. And here’s a personal message for Psychochristians like Bryan Fischer: Get the flying phuck out of politics! If you want to impose your childish, insane, Beliefs on others? Go found your own damn country. The Founders of this country explicitly barred religion from government.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-all-immigrants-must-convert-christianity

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400812406 Jeph Bennett

    Why are you trolling here? Aren’t you missing American Idol or Nascar? The adults are trying to fix the mess you little fat kids made when you were in charge, so why don’t you run along and play in your poo some more, umkay? :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Same challenge to you pablum, your boy friend didn’t have the guts or the facts to put forward, let see if you do……

    “Krissy 36 minutes ago in reply to Artist Helldigger
    You are obviously a Fool and tpartier. Lets see some links or facts in you’re mass delusional rant. There is not one iota of truth in that blithering mass of crap………………………………..”

  • Anonymous

    You’ve no doubt seen this since it’s gone viral all over the internet. It’s
    Republican Thaddeus McCotter pummeling Democrats yesterday in Congress with … Led Zeppelin!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bAzD5mKzkOg

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    TP,

    If you’re going to censor those who already censor themselves, then why bother encouraging people to post comments here at all? You sent my comment to the moderation bin because of a word that contained three letters and a parenthesis instead of a “c”.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Here’a letter I wrote to the President prior to the vote on extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Obama is far better than the alternatives and I will certainly support him but what is he going to campaign on in 2012? “Folks, I really mean it this time.”

    To: President Barack Obama
    From: Cletis Stump
    Re: Missing Backbone

    Mr. President: Sir, I voted for you as did my wife and entire family. We cried tears of joy the night you spoke at Grant Park. Sadly, we are once again on the verge of tears; unfortunately, we are not so joyous this time. You have absolutely and totally failed those of us who believed you were strong enough to fight for what is simply right. Mr. President, I believe you are a good man but right-mindedness without strength of resolve is merely a gossamer dream, beautiful but without substance.
    Fortunately, sir, each day a man has an opportunity to remake himself. Look in the mirror and square your shoulders. People are drawn to decisiveness and even those who detest you will respect your sense of purpose and fealty to your convictions. Diplomacy may well be the art of the possible but it may also become the refuge of the timid. Begin anew with this tax issue. Stand before the American people and say you will absolutely not allow the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to be extended. Briefly lay out the numbers and tell the American people to call their Senators and demand we extend the tax breaks only for the middle class.
    Sir, as Joe Louis once said of his opponent, “You can run but you can’t hide.” Quit running from these small men who have hijacked our country. Stand up and be the man you told us you are.

  • Anonymous

    Flagging me because you can’t take the heat of a winning argument…

    Good.

    I know how weak you really are.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    Go pummel your sockpuppet.

  • Anonymous

    If McCain had won, Iran would not be close to building its nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the map and threaten to fulfill its promise to annihilate us.

  • Anonymous

    How so?

    Oh, did I just take you to a bridge too far?

  • Anonymous

    Well, I know I’m not “useless” since I helped the Republicans take over the House in 2010. So why do you think my opinions come via Fox news? Is it because yours come from Air America used-to-be’s and thus assume others are as bereft of educational sources as you are?

  • Anonymous

    why can’t these idiots understand we simply just need to tax the crap out of these evil rich folks?

  • Anonymous

    Amen (direct and to the point), just how do We get that message through to the slower thinking masses that may still be on the fence?

  • Anonymous

    I call it ObamaCare because I’m a free American and particularly free from an ideology that requires lockstep usage of imposed language.

    How about you?

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    You’ve already proven that you don’t understand SSI payroll tax contributions. Take a breath, and consider that they’re may be a lot of other things you’re clueless about.

  • Anonymous

    The compromising is just beginning for you guys.

    I’m shopping for new leather boots that will fit more securely upon the necks of vile progressives everywhere.

  • Anonymous

    Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯 19 minutes ago in reply to PabloSteinheimer
    You’re clueless.
    =And:
    -arrogant
    -ignorant
    -a tea bagger sap
    -a sociolpath with no conscience
    -a total jackass
    -a fakedr
    -a fake admiral
    etc.

  • Anonymous

    Then what will your mom do?

  • Anonymous

    The internet is free, my friend. Look it up yourself.

  • Anonymous

    That means you have nothing to learn.

  • Anonymous

    then how come i gotta pay comcast for it?

  • Anonymous

    i’d love for you to try.

    seriously.

  • Anonymous

    What happened? Was he gang-raped?

  • Anonymous

    hapless parrot / useful idiot.

    mouthful of luntz.

  • Anonymous

    Infighting. Love it.

  • Anonymous

    all-or-nothing simpletonianism?

    -no thanks.

  • Anonymous

    sky falling again,

    mr. little?

  • Anonymous

    Heh.

    I’m not of the party known throughout the world as ‘godless’. I’m a Republican.

  • Anonymous

    uh-oh….

    another R about to get a letter from an intellectual property attorney,

    demanding an immediate cease and desist.

    they never learn.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    FLAGGED AND FORGOTTEN

  • Anonymous

    I have respect for your views, also. But in this area, I take exception. As I mentioned to you before, it’s ironic that you don’t see inconsistency in saying you intend to vote for someone that you obviously disdain.

    I think your list is a whiners list. There is no way Obama could have accomplished any of those things alone. He’s President, not King. And, I don’t presume to judge the President of the United States by what I personally like or don’t like.

    I’m just done with the “progressive” self-defeating drone. How can people expect to win elections with negativity and criticism of their own party? It affects attitude. It gives fodder to the opposition, witness ’09 when they took full advantage of progressive whining to use the quotes of progressive leaders to lead off Fox segments that said over and over and over that Democrats were having buyer’s remorse, etc. We gave them the ammo, and they used it. And, even before it was true, it was believed and people stayed home.

    I prefer to think about the Ledbetter Law he signed within weeks of taking office, how he saved SCHIP, how he got a healthcare reform law passed – albeit not perfect, but on the books and ready for tweaking, how his calm and steady demeanor is good for the country, how he has helped to restore our reputation with the world community, and how his policies saved us from another great depression, all indices trending upward month after month. Whatever Obama manages to accomplish that advances the goals of liberals should be appreciated and viewed as just the first steps on the path of progress. What the President needs now is support for him and an all out effort by liberals to get more Ds elected to prevent the Red Tide.

    I don’t see how someone who thinks so little of the President, and, as Republicans used to say, disparages the sitting President during the time of war, can be an effective advocate for promoting Democratic candidates. (Point of clarification: Disparages doesn’t mean speaking against policy or position. It means calling the President a man without integrity.)

    We need to tap in to our “Fired Up! Ready to Go!” reservoir and get attitude adjustments. If we don’t, we’ll once again fail to learn from the successes of R campaigns, and prove again that Ds shoot themselves in the foot, especially when they are running in the lead.

  • Austininc4

    why can’t these idiots Teabaggers understand, Wealthy people don’t pay their share of TAXES. They have tax loop holes, Off Shore Bank Accounts, Tax Accountant Lawyers. And now the TEABAGGERS figthing to make sure they pay LESS!!!!

  • Anonymous

    yep.

  • Austininc4

    You are of the party known throughout the world as ‘GULLIBLE’, the Tea Party.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s Franklin Roosevelt using the ‘bully pulpit’ on Oct 31, 1936, shortly before his reelection to a second term. Obama might want to ponder the message (and the result):

    We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace–business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

    They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

    Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.

    Full speech here: http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/od2ndst.html

    Proof that what goes around comes around. Corporate thugs and crooked politicians cannot be subdued by compromise, they have to have their butts kicked, and HARD. FDR knew that, Obama has yet to learn. With luck (and perhaps some urging) there’s still time, but time is slipping away.

    It’s either us or them. It’s either a strong and united nation, prosperous for all, or it’s a greed-based and crumbling failure. The ball’s in our court, the progressive court. And we know that America’s ONLY chance is for the Republican party, as it exists today, be put out to pasture once and for all and for good.

    Speak the truth, Mr. Obama. Say it: Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred. And then proceed to KICK SOME REPUBLICAN BUTT!

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    Those whining progressive told the democrats and the moderates who post here that the Mass. special election would be a bloodbath and a sign of things to come if they didn’t start acting on their rhetoric.

    We were right in Mass. and we were right in the prediction about the mid term elections.

    Obama and the democrats who are busy accomplishing the republicans agenda are to blame , not the most politically active of the democrats traditional base, the progressives he has betrayed at every turn !

    Wake up the government is bought and paid for and the entire worlds population and the American citizenry will foot the bill .

  • Anonymous

    Who is John Galt? Check the anagram for answers.

    But remember Rand was also in favor of abortion and was a confirmed atheist. We must cut these things from her diatribe BEFORE we teach her lessons in our schools.

  • Austininc4

    You mean “HOME SCHOOL”, in your case.

    Mr. PekingDuck

  • Anonymous

    Bush. We need him back. Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard tells us why:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/986rockt.asp

  • Anonymous

    Yes, “HOME SCHOOL”. Public education has seen it’s day pass by. We should go back to parental teaching the way the Fundamental Baptists do it.

  • Anonymous

    The name is Duckworth.

  • Anonymous

    Vile moron would be more appropriate.

  • Austininc4

    Ok, ClusterDuck

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    Yesterday I visited the California art institute with my kids in order to show them the Diego Rivera mural painted there. Then after a coffee at the cafe Trieste we spent an hour looking at the mural painted by those individuals influenced by Rivera and Kahlo in the Coit Tower .

    Made me proud to see American workers depicted without a single thought given to the rich who now own us .

    Time for the wealthy 1% to get a real job .

    It’s class warfare stupid !

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    “The name is Duckworth.”

    No it isn’t. It’s “mayhem2″, as several of us proved the other day. Why do you post comments under names that have already proven to be sockpuppets? You do realize, do you not, that this proves you have no credibility whatsoever?

  • Anonymous

    You’re funny. This fellow “freeman” posts under at least five different aliases and you’ve never complained about it. Why is that?

    And the name is still Duckworth.

  • Anonymous

    Folks, just ignore duckbutter.

    just for grins, i tried to engage him in a discussion of his ideas on the Posey thread, and he studiously avoided any direct questions, choosing instead to devote his efforts to childish non sequiturs. he’d respond to taunts, of course, but nothing having to do with the thread or his earlier comments.

    he’s obviously calculated that his signature brand of right-wing silliness and stilted social awkwardness draws responses (for which he’s poorly paid, no doubt) but it’s sure not intended to further any discussion.

    so let’s not contribute to his meager take-home pay by responding, okay?

    trust me, it’s fun just to watch him spin in desperation when he doesn’t get any takers.

  • Austininc4

    the Fundamental Baptists are a sad example of Educating children. They’re religious fanatics. And there is NOTHING Godly about them. They are the Sharia Law of the West.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the teabaggers have gone and done it. They’ve managed to turn this country into a third-world nation.

    Well done, morons. Your corporate overlords thank you.

  • gulliver foyle

    Yeah, bring it Pablo–you’ll look funny going to the hospital to get those boots removed from your hind-end.

    I don’t normally respond to trolls, but this one really needs a good case of stomp-arse.

  • Anonymous

    wayne could you point me to that proof? i’d like to archive it for future reference.

  • Austininc4

    HAHAHAHAHH!!! Seriously the weeklystandard, Bill Kristol’s RAG of a news paper. So Mr. RoastDuck is a NEO CON,

  • Anonymous

    And the name is still Duckworth.

    Your name is still whatever the hell we tell you it is, dipshit. If we say that your name is Blumpkin Boy, then you’ll answer to Blumpkin Boy and like it.

    Clear enough for you, Blumpkin Boy?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Frugal, I know people get upset when we say things like you just wrote but I don’t understand “blind faith”. Is it really being negative to ask the person you voted for, the person you supported to simply use the tools he was given. In Obama’s case one of his most impressive tools is his ability to stand out from the crowd with his rhetoric. People who get upset at us holding him accountable need only remember how he dismantled Hillary in the primaries. He didn’t back down then, he stood his ground and did what he thought was the right thing. By way of full disclosure I supported Hillary and it took quite a bit of persuasion to get me to support Obama, but he did that by standing up and being steadfast in his belief’s. Is it too much to ask that he do the same thing with the Corporations and Republicans (actually the same thing)?

    I get it, we have to support him. However I don’t support my son by just closing my eyes and telling him to “compromise” on every situation. I don’t support him by saying to him that if someone punches him in the face to say, “thank you sir, may I have another”.

    I appreciate that the President has a cool demeanor, and is calm under pressure. It is also important to be assertive when the situation calls for it. He has a wife and two girls, he understands that they like us, depend on him to make things better. In the middle of the worse recession (or depression) in the history of the country why would he allow tax cuts for the wealthy, or spending cuts that will tank the economy. He understands what all economist say, “you don’t cut spending in the middle of a recession”. Yet instead of taking to the podium and saying out loud, “I will veto any attempts to destroy the economy”, he announces that spending cuts are a good thing. Please!!! We don’t have a spending issue we have a revenue issue. When you give 800 billion to Donald Trump and his pals you simply can’t balance the budget or anything else.

    What I think is that if people chose to be upset because I hold the President accountable for his actions I would say be upset if you will, but no one is above guidance and help. Not even the President of the United States!!!!

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider
  • Anonymous

    Super smart, thank you Krissy!!!

  • Anonymous

    How dare you. Take that back.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    The things they project. The really are clueless!

  • Austininc4

    Duckworthless

  • Anonymous

    If he doesn’t stop SUCKING up to the one-percenters and start STANDING up to them, we’re ALL screwed.

  • Austininc4

    Not in your life time…. HAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Anonymous

    shamsky24, I’m not talking to you anymore. We’re finished.

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    Hey take your head pout of the sand. The republicans are all about money and that’s about the size of it .

    But electing democrats ,has gotten us the comeback of the nuclear industry , oil drilling on both coasts and Alaska , increased Bush war powers , and the largest military budget since the second world war. TWICE !

    Bankers are appointed to over see the dispensing of billions which are promptly used to buy up the competition and to award multi million dollar bonuses to their cronies

    Rather than fighting for single payer or even the public option the democrats with a super majority not enjoyed by republicans in over 70 years force 45 million new customers on the insurance industry without any real price controls .

    Wake up . The lesser of two evil is killing us here !

    There isn’t a single progressive in Obama’s administration !

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t even read whoever you’re responding to but I agree with your post 100%.

  • Anonymous

    Shamsky24, you lucky bugger! No more Mr. Phuckworth!

  • Austininc4

    I’m sure shamsky24, won’t be losing any sleep over it tonight.

  • pete

    If TP “administrators” were not a bunch of amateurs they would ban new accounts from those who have been banned under a previous identity. It generally doesn’t take me more than a post or three to identify the serial sockpuppets.

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    First prove that he “posts under at least five different aliases”. I have shown proof that you post under at least two. (See the link below in my next comment.)

  • Austininc4

    So you’re suggesting we vote for a Republican?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    thats the truth

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    uh oh shamsky, now you’ve gone and done it, you’ve made butternut mad!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well you try having an intelligent discussion with him!

  • Anonymous

    shamsky24, I’m not talking to you anymore. We’re finished.

    We’re not having a discussion here, Blumpkin Boy. You’re a troll, which means that your only purpose here is to post inanities and serve as a target for our abuse.

    And once again, you don’t get any say in the matter.

  • Anonymous

    I spent all weekend at protests and political action gatherings.

    Glad you feel so carefree in these times.

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    I’m suggesting you do something novel between now and the next election outside the rigged vote where only the corporations candidates are running .

    Only through mass protests and non violent non cooperation do we have any chance of taking charge of our nations destiny.

    Perhaps that is unlikely but not half as unlikely as believing that merely voting and signing petitions will have any real effect on the behavior of the fascists running our nation for their own benefit at the expense of the other 99% of the rest of the planet .

  • Anonymous

    I’m SOOOOOOOOOO glad they finally fixed my flag button!

  • Anonymous

    An intelligent discussion generally requires two intelligent people, BB. Any conversation that includes you automatically falls one short of that requirement.

  • Anonymous

    I was responding to Cletis. Tried to respond again but got “moderated”.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    You mean like print the hell of of some? Or, how about stealing from Medicare dollars, like Florida’s new governor?

    How about the way Bristol Palin is misusing tax-exemption? Would you be happy if we all thought of crooked ways to “make” money? Just like the robber-barons of old or the new ones that took bailout money and are yet to pay it back but still feel privileged to put more congress-critters in their hip pockets!

  • Anonymous

    You’re known as the party of corruption, and without morals…but you’ve got your made up god.

  • Anonymous

    DuckBoy how many hours do you intend to play the fool this day? Do you really think this is behavior is normal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rj-Walkerstuff/100001620726390 Rj Walkerstuff

    >>lower taxes than they have in a generation,

    A generation? I think of a generation being 25 years or so. The richest have ever paid such low tax rates since 1931.

    That’s 80 years, folks.

  • Anonymous

    and you are totally afraid to talk to me so I suppose in time your options will run out eh DuckBoy?

  • Anonymous

    I accept your apology.

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    I live my life on principles, it’s not a special occasion for me . I’ve been at it since I was a teenager and I’m in my mid 50′s .

    Spent the morning in the mission where it’s a celebration of Caesar Chavez by the Latino community .

    Great murals there too . The revolution continues . Ciao for now hermano.

    http://www.cesarchavezday.org/

  • Austininc4

    I’m with the mass protests and non violent non cooperation, that is an idea I could go for.

  • Anonymous

    So Star I never heard back from you the other day. Who really did benefit from putting men on the moon?

  • pete

    Until I see you on the news with a banner, a bullhorn, and a gun I see no reason to think you’re any more revolutionary than anyone else. Take your own advice and go do something more constructive than insulting people who would agree with you if you weren’t a total smeghead.

  • Austininc4

    When have you tried having a intelligent discussion with anyone, including yourself?

  • Anonymous

    Finally got that first phoebe and tree swallows but I missed a bittern…

  • Anonymous

    i disagree with you 100%

    You’re entitled to your opinion but it won’t help us win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    why did u get moded?? sometimes that happens if the post if rather long.

  • Anonymous

    Is humility one of them that you hold dear?

  • pete

    That little tart is really starting to piss me off. It’s bad enough that she’s getting rich for ostensibly telling others not to do what she has done but doing so under the guise of a “non profit” operation makes me wish that a struggling young unwed mother would beat the stink out of her.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know. And, the response was shorter than my first response to Cletis. I just tried again (am self-taught typist so I copy to Word file to find typos) and couldn’t even get cursor to the comment box.

  • Austininc4

    She is following in her Mother’s foot steps, a Con Artist.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Pick, once more, I respect your intelligence and commitment and there is much truth in your assertions but, for me, I believe integrity is defined through action. Obama campaigned as a visionary leader not a centrist pragmatist. There is too much to detail on this board so I’ll let it go and, out of respect for you, will not bring it up agan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Fred, not taking up for anyone, but I have a question? We won in 2008, yes? Then how is it that the Republicans who only control 1/3 of the Federal Government is controlling the agenda?

    I respect your feelings but I don’t understand how asking for accountability causes us to lose.

    I’m a democrat, have been one since birth, my whole family are democrats and no one ever told me to not question those in power, that’s why your statement confuses me.

  • Anonymous

    Have respect for you, also. Agree to disagree.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    that is very strange………..

  • Anonymous

    most likely on of the words that most people hardly consider offensive…

  • pete

    Good afternoon, dbadass.

    I spent part of the day sipping beer in a lawn chair and shooing kids away from the goose nest. We seem to have achieved a bit of a truce. ALL the birds are moving through. Warblers, Waxwings, grossbeaks, crossbills etc. I also saw a green heron, one of my very favorites, hunting frogs the other evening. So far the geese haven’t chased off the teal from the nearest pothole even though they go that way for an occasional drink and dip. I suppose it’s possible that the geese tolerate teal, as they do wood ducks, even though they seem to chase mallards away.

  • Austininc4

    WE as Progressives have to put FEAR in the hearts of the Democrats in Congress and the Senate, like the TeaBaggers are putting fear in the hearts of Republicans in Congress and the Senate.

    As long as Democrats think they can do what ever they want and we will still vote for them, they will make all kinds of deals with Republicans.

    We also have got to get rid of the Blue Dog Democrats.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong Wayne A. Schneider and your “bait of falsehood will not capture this carp of truth”. Fail.

  • Anonymous

    I had hooded merg, common merg, and ring necked duck all hanging out together along with some mallards, Cans, and a few black duck but I didn’t get to cover too much ground. I will set out on a real trip tomorrow morning most likely. Sadly I won’t be able to sip beer though as it will reguire driving and that Montana way of life isn’t our thing here…

  • Anonymous

    You are a little foolish lonely pest of a man DuckBoy and I know it hurts you inside to look at what you have become…

  • Anonymous

    Krissy: There’s asking for accountability and there’s asking for accommodation. People saw very different things in Obama – I saw a pragmatic left of center politician, some saw a messiah. I expected him to do his best operating under severe restrictions. I don’t regard my various personal disappointments as his fault.

    I’m a rabid sports fan and, as a parent, professional, and executive, am a believer in team. The Rs have that down pat. Whatever questions and doubts they may have about individuals, they never forget the office, and they never lose site of the numbers it takes to wield power. That’s what Ds need to learn. If we force our elected Democrats to face a gauntlet of “supporters” within weeks of taking office, we hurt the team and the goal of winning.

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    No, we pretty much caught you dead to rights posting the exact same comment, word for word, under two different screen names. Maybe YOU’RE the one who needs to do his “DD”.

    Now, in the meantime, while you are doing that, please go far away. I hear active volcanoes like it when you go right up to the rim and spit in them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I agree!!! You would think however watching the way things are moving that they wouldn’t need any external pressure to put fear in them. Just open your eyes and you can see that the people are be persuaded by the lies of the Repups. I’m not so much interested in them attacking or being overtly aggressive, that’s the repigs specialty, what I want them to do is to say to the American people, “that’s a lie and here is the proof”. I really don’t see how that is asking too much…………

    Blue dogs, can we start with Bill Nelson of Florida, would sure make my life nicer.

  • Anonymous

    In other words, you made it up and have nothing to substantiate it. Since you lack a formal education, you probably don’t realize that the person making a claim, especially one bordering on absurd, is the person responsible for “looking it up.”

  • Anonymous

    Put FEAR . . . ? What, stay home again and facilitate more R victories? Vote R just to show ‘em? I don’t understand.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry krissie but due to no internet I am posting from a phone so it’s really hard to express myself.

    I would just ask you if your disappointment is worth losing? If all you see is the negative, how can you be an asset?

  • Anonymous

    but I will fillet that carp with my eyes closed…..

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    Well, the bottom line is that you have to vote for the people you think will best represent you.

    Wisconsin just had an election this past week, where the majority came and voted for the conservative justice. This was a big blow to the SEIU and liberals who were standing up for government workers. This is also despite a huge national effort by the Democrats to throw all their resources (plus the kitchen sink) to help Kloppenburg.

    Prosser and the GOP, on the otherhand, had a very limited campaign presence. And still won.

  • Anonymous

    Pablum pukes

    You’ve no doubt seen this since it’s gone viral all over the internet. It’s Republican Thaddeus McCotter pummeling Democrats yesterday in Congress with … Led Zeppelin!

    You know, in listening to this balding old douche rattle off the names of classic Zeppelin songs that he’d obviously never heard before, I had the same thought as when I first heard Pat Boone’s version of “Crazy Train”: it’s kind of funny, but it’s just so very, very wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Pat Boone . . . Crazy Train . . . say it ain’t so . . . my ears, my ears . . .

  • Anonymous

    He’s clueless about everything in general. Teaturds like Pablo really don’t give a s**t about the American People. Just how much the can
    TRAMPLE THE WEAK AND LAUGH AT THE POOR!
    The Republican and Teaturd slogan for 2012.

  • Austininc4

    Wisconsin just had a RIGGED Election, and somebody is going to PRISON!!!

  • Anonymous

    You have to admit that the whole debacle looks fishy…I constantly evoke the idiom, Caesar’s wife should be above suspicion…

    You can also look at it as a wake-up call that the people are fighting back. This judge should have been a shoo-in…maybe not the 99% he got last time, but the very fact that without this debacle in that one county, how close it was…

    Something smells fishy about this…

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    I don’t think that accusation will hold up.

  • Anonymous

    For future reference, the next time some libertarian makes that ridiculous claim about how many copies of Atlas Shrugged sold (“only exceeded by The Bible”), here’s the answer. Actually, Fakie will probably make the same claim when the low-rent movie comes out.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books#More_than_100_million_copies

    It’s not even on the list, Fakie. For that matter, Rand isn’t on the list.

  • pete

    WTF? Is our favorite sockpuppet factory trying to use all his identities in the same thread? I noticed the other night that he tried a new user name without changing accounts so he ended up talking to himself for about 100 posts. I think the poor thing got some tainted meth.

  • Anonymous

    I’m afraid it’s true.

    http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Mood-More-Nice-Guy/dp/B000005KOE

    Don’t go there unless you’ve got a very strong stomach… or earplugs.

  • Anonymous

    Third party comes up a lot but history shows it always backfires.

  • Anonymous

    Over my dead body. Actually it might be yours before mine if the People get angry enough.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    Sure, a lot of close elections look “fishy,” especially if you’re on the
    losing side. We’ve heard the republicans complain about the Al Franken
    election and all the mysterious ballots showing up at the last minute.
    Blah blah blah. It’s all a lot of talk, if you ask me.

    I would’ve thought Prosser was going to lose in a landslide. After all,
    Think Progress and many other progressive blogs kept citing poll after
    poll showing how the “vast majority” of folks in Wisconsin favored the
    SEIU and Union side. But, after all the ballots were counted, the polls
    seemed to be wrong. Prosser ends up keeping the job.

    Pending investigation, of course.

  • Anonymous

    Prosser spent twice as much as the Democrat, silly boy. And she came back to gobble up what had been a 20+ point lead in the primaries.

    Try to keep up.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    “I’m a rabid sports fan and, as a parent, professional, and executive, am a believer in team. The Rs have that down pat. Whatever questions and doubts they may have about individuals, they never forget the office, and they never lose site of the numbers it takes to wield power. That’s what Ds need to learn. If we force our elected Democrats to face a gauntlet of “supporters” within weeks of taking office, we hurt the team and the goal of winning.”

    Pick, really and truly, I was done with this but the implications of your statement horrifies me. I am not a believer in team. I am a believer in right mindedness made manifest through right action. Fidelity to team over principle requires a slow erosion of integrity. No one starts out an iconoclast. It is a byproduct of groupthink and is inevitable once we compromise our principles.

  • Anonymous

    when the wisconsin election of this past has undergone even a tenth of the scrutiny to which the franken-coleman race was subjected, then i’ll buy the result.

    until that point, it’s a false equivalency.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a big Pats fan. The song they play in the tunnel when the team takes the field is Crazy Train. At the home opener a couple of years ago, as the team was running through one of those giant helmets they put on the field, the top of the helmet opened and there was Ozzie! I don’t know if it’s on YouTube, but hope it is so you can see it. (I have it on my DVR.) The crowd went nuts.

  • Anonymous

    “I want them to do is to say to the American people, “that’s a lie and here is the proof.”

    I have to agree with you too, Krissy. Being the assertive gal that I am, it drives me absolutely bananas that Dems can’t seem to find a voice. If somebody is lying, damnit, call them out. And if they keep lying, keep calling them out. What the he11 is so hard about that? I say call a spade a spade. You don’t win a war by being nice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    This is so strange, I don’t disagree with a thing you just posted. I don’t however see how asking the President to use the bully pulpit to face down the republicans is breaking up the team. I would refer you to Frugals post above which I am providing a small excerpt of……

    “Here’s Franklin Roosevelt using the ‘bully pulpit’ on Oct 31, 1936, shortly before his reelection to a second term. Obama might want to ponder the message (and the result):

    We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace–business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

    They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

    Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.”

    I have no illusions and certainly don’t, or ever did, see Obama as a messiah. I am being very practical here, the Presidency has a built in set of tools that no other office in this country affords a person, the bully pulpit. I am not sure when I ask the question about holding him accountable what it is exactly that you hear me saying. I want this President to succeed, but not for my own personal reasons, but because if he doesn’t succeed there will be nothing left of the country I love.

    What is different in this fight as opposed to other fights between Democrats and Republicans is that there is NOT a Republican party anymore. They have been replaced by the Corporate Party, wielding unlimited amounts of money, making a full frontal attack on the middle class. Their attack is based on cutting the supply lines to the democratic party (unions, women, etc) and rendering them impotent. I am not convinced that the President understands that this is another Civil War being waged by the Corporation Party and the outcome, if they aren’t stopped, will be the total extermination of Democracy.

  • Anonymous

    excellent, wayne.

    and a hat tip to IP too.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    It doesn’t matter, Pencils. They are too rich to care. Their money makes money for them, and they could close up shop anytime they please, except they like bringing in even more money.

    When they can’t squeeze anymore money out of this country, they’ll pull up stakes and leave. No skin off their noses.

  • Anonymous

    For the record, Prosser should have throttled Kloppenburg; it should not have been as close as it was. The SEIU and the “union side” never expected to win that election. Wisconsin republicans should take no solace in the narrow victory.

  • Austininc4

    What you think is irrelevant, the facts will prove the Country Clerk committed a crime, and no doubt others were involved.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    Well, they’re certainly going to take a look.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    We will certainly know for sure soon. And then it will be settled.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I’m sorry you’re on the phone, I was enjoying our conversation. When you get back online perhaps we can continue at another time. As I read your response I think the big difference in what I’m saying and you’re saying is semantical. I simply don’t believe that expressing my beliefs in speaking truth to power causes us to lose. Maybe later, OK?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    “You don’t win a war by being nice”

    Well said gf………

  • Austininc4

    The victory was before the County Clerk “COOKED THE BOOKS”.

  • Anonymous

    it’s only a crime when it’s something a democrat or minority didn’t do.

  • Anonymous

    Duckturd or Mud, tahe your pick, Troll.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, the Koch Brothers, US Chamber of Criminals and the Wisconsin Republican Party will spent good money to cover this election up.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    It seems like Walker was projecting something like this the night before that idiot “found” those votes. I don’t remember his exact words, but they were almost prophetic, in terms of the mysterious found vote of the perfect number.

  • Austininc4

    Exactly!!!!!! Republicans never BREAK the law. They just bend it and twist it to fit their agenda.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, his arrogance wouldn’t allow him to hold it in.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps my notion that it takes a dedicated team to be successful at the game of politics horrifies you, as your notion that the President is a man without integrity has a similar effect on me. As I mentioned in another post, it was said last week that Democrats need to stop taking library books to knife fights (David Corn?). I agree. When the “big tent” becomes a “big team”, progress will be made. Fidelity to team absolutely does not erode integrity unless the team lacks it to begin with. Team-think is absolutely not group-think. One implies a unity of purpose, a contribution of many talents to achieve a goal, the other mindless consolidation. Group-think is not part of team-think.

    And, I’m always leery of someone who wants to tell me – even indirectly – that their definition of “principles” is loftier than mine.

    I don’t want to spar with you. It wastes time and energy. But, if you continue, I’ll probably respond, reluctantly.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    We hear this every election cycle. The losing side is convinced that a
    close election race was “fixed” or “stolen.”

    But the bigger issue here is that the race was close at all. We were
    assured by Think Progress and others that a vast majority of folks in
    Wisconsin supported labor on this issue. And that was false.

    So when folks suggest that people don’t vote in their own self-interest,
    I would counter that by saying yes, they do. They most certainly do.

    Whether or not that lines up with the popular political talking points
    is up for grabs.

  • Anonymous

    so… how lame and pathetic does an ideology have to be for its partisans to be reduced to paying people to troll for it, using scripts prepared for the trolls?

    damn… that’s just sad.

  • Austininc4

    How many elections have YOU heard of where the same person who was involved in 5 other election cases doing the same thing and getting away with it.

    And she was an employee of Prosser when he was in the Wisconsin Assembly.

    If you want to LIE to yourself, that’s fine by me. I see and smell a RAT, and I am not the only one.

  • pete

    One of the reasons that I supported President Obama is that, looking at his record, he seems to be a pragmatist and very smart. I still think that. I also thought that after the “librul media” spent 20 odd years demonizing Hillary that she would be unable to get any deals done. Oops!

    I did not count on the full-blown hissy-fit with no sign of abatement because “that guy” is in the White House. I figured the Reich-wing freaks would exhaust themselves and finally realize that they had to work with their opponents. Alas, everyone who had the character to do so has left the GOP or been infected with teabaggerism.

    What we have seen is that the Dems have made concession after concession in a vain attempt to get bipartisan support and the GOoPers would still rather vote against their own ideas than agree with their opponents who “sold out” and adopted those ideas in the first place.

    Mark my words. Even though the GOoPers have essentially written the budget deal, the second that the President signs it the Reichwhiners will throw a tantrum over them “caving” to the President. And there just isn’t anybody who can actually penetrate the veil of hate and ignorance enough to make the truth known to the morons on the right.

  • Anonymous

    Pablum pukes:

    I’m shopping for new leather boots that will fit more securely upon the necks of vile progressives everywhere.

    Shop away, but you’ll only be wasting your money, because designations like “progressive” and “conservative” will be obsolete in fairly short order. We’re rapidly heading toward a social system like that of ancient’s Rome: patrician “haves” and plebian “have-nots,” where the plebes do all of the work and the patricians reap all of the rewards. And you’re going to be in for one hell of a rude awakening when you discover which class you’ve fallen into, and you feel that boot coming down on your own neck.

    Don’t say you weren’t warned.

  • Anonymous

    “I would’ve thought Prosser was going to lose in a landslide.”

    “… if i was desperate to make an election that shouldn’t have been close look like a triumph…”

  • Anonymous

    as well they should.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    I think you’re probably overreacting to an unfortunate error in a close
    election.

    It is what it is. I’m sure the investigation will clear things up shortly.

  • pete

    We do not “hear this every election cycle”. Before 2000 we, the good ol’ U.S.A. were the people who guaranteed others elections. That status was crapped down the john with the mystery of the hanging chads. Now? We need to call in the UN to certify our elections because We the People don’t believe they are legit.

  • Anonymous

    Good news from South Carollina, Rich Santorum has won the presidential straw poll there. A promising beginning to this GOP “young gun’s” White House aspirations. Good luck, Rick!

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    Indeed.

    It’s been real. Time for a bike ride. Great time of year for that.
    Got to get that hour of exercise a day, you know.

    The great thing about cycling is that out on the trail, there are no
    Republicans or Democrats. Just bike riders.

    Cheers.

  • Austininc4

    I figured the Reich-wing freaks would exhaust themselves and finally realize that they had to work with their opponents.

    —————————————————————————-

    sorry Pete, I hate to break it to you. Republicans are FILL with Hatred and Evil, they have no idea how to work with their opponents. They are Control Freaks, and settle for nothing except ABSOLUTE POWER.

    There is a lot of Evil in the Republican Party and they will be the down fall of this Nation.

  • Austininc4

    The GOP “young guns” are shooting “BLANKS”.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, you can BUY a lot of elections with Koch money.

  • Austininc4

    The Hypocrisy of the Republican Party, if they are stealing an election, don’t worry about it the investigators will clear it up.

    If they think for a second a Democrat is fixing an elections, the GOP are looking for a tree to string him up.

  • Anonymous

    People respond to the open faced honesty of a Rick Santorum.

  • Summer
  • Austininc4

    HAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Open face, now that’s Funny!!!

    Santorum is a TOOL of Wall Street. Not to mention all the other skeletons in his closet.

  • Austininc4

    LOL!!! Now, that’s funny..

  • pete

    I know that now. I allowed myself a few moments of hope but they are long gone. And yet? I still find myself, every couple days, thinking that they have reached their limit of sheer insanity. Then, within 48 hours, they surpass that limit and double-down again.

  • Anonymous

    I think the President knows full well what is at stake. Probably better than we do since I’m sure he’s kept informed of the DC insider scuttlebutt. I do not think that he could ever deliver that Roosevelt address, for one reason – his race. Picture him saying “They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.” I do, however, agree with the sentiment of “bully pulpit”. I think that Obama needs to pick the right time and the right cause to make a “pulpit” speech, one that has such obvious truth that it will be impervious to frivolous spin. More like the timing and tone of his campaign speech on race.

    Krissy, it’s a matter of focus and attitude. We’re officially in campaign mode now. This is not the time to re-litigate the past two years, it’s the time to do what we can to ensure the next 6. Every crack in Democratic solidarity will be exploited by the demon Republicans. Every discontent will be used as scripts for wedge issues that have the potential to sway or immobilize Independents. As crazy and evil as the baggers may be, they stand strong and loud. That’s why they were so effective in ’10, and that’s why they still have such power. If Democrats continue to go off in to pockets to whine and sulk, ignoring the great lesson in strategy that just slapped us in the face, we’ll lose more ground and seats. To me, that’s liberals just giving seats away to indulge the desire to stomp petulant feet.

    You are correct about the importance to the nation of the ’12 elections. That’s why continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results makes no sense. Change always has and still begins with each of us. The thing that matters most is the number of Democratic wins. There’s too much at stake to be distracted or divided.

  • Anonymous

    People respond to the open faced honesty of a Rick Santorum

    I think we all saw how the voters responded to him in his last election, BB. The only response that Santorum generates among intelligent people is nausea.

  • Anonymous

    Way to good — and scary!

  • Anonymous

    While you remain too frightened to respond to me…

  • Summer

    I know right? When JoKlo was winning, the outcry on the right was pretty well known. “The Dems cheated again, it was ACORN!”

    And then some woman sneezes out 7,000 votes that just happen to swing the balance of votes greatly. Nope, nothing fishy going on there at all!

  • Summer

    Yeah he’s a good looking SS member, isn’t he? Fits right in!

  • Anonymous

    Why do you do this DuckBoy? I mean for real cyber fluffer on a resume isn’t much especially with that shi tty a ss gpa and lame communications degree you ended up with from that Mickey Mouse school…

  • Anonymous

    I agree. Nobody could have predicted the level of raw racism, or that Republicans strategists would be both astute enough and creative enough to tap it and shape it in to a powerful voting block – Koch $$$s or not. I’m one of those people who thought they were a joke, a flash in the pan. I honestly thought that most people would see through the lies and spin quickly. Yeah, my horribly bad. 8^(

  • Anonymous

    Sad but true observation, Pete. sigh

  • pete

    I think that when a person achieves a certain age, let’s say 21 for convenience, they should be asked a simple question: “Do you Believe in religion”? If they say “yes” they should be immediately and permanently barred form public office. No exceptions. And, should they achieve a public office and then turn around and start spouting religious drivel? They should probably just be shot, hanged, gassed, or electrocuted.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the bottom line is that you have to vote for the people you think will best represent you.

    Which is why I will NEVER vote for a Republican, any Republican, period. I’d sooner vote for a Marxist — any Marxist — because I at least know that a Marxist would support MY interest(s) long before any Republican alive today would even acknowledge that I have any. Interests.

    Fascism American-style is not working, will never work. In a complex and overpopulated world, only the progressive left has any chance to solve the myriad dilemmas facing the human species. Not to mention the planet itself.

  • Anonymous

    Santorum is certifiably insane and only appeals to crazy xtians and bagger gay-bashers. He’s worse than Palin or Bachmann. Scary guy.

  • Anonymous

    . . . followed by projectile vomiting.

  • Anonymous

    Ha, you put “honesty” and Rick Santorum in a sentence…polar opposites.

    MrMoronworthless you are a vile scumbag.

  • Austininc4

    Exactly, they don’t mind a Republican STEALING an election, any election.

    The Values Party, my a $$!!!!

  • Austininc4

    That explains why Republicans boast about being the “FAMILY VALUES PARTY”, because they’re NOT….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Pete, it’s interesting that the discussion here seems to have taken a turn towards semantics. I agree with everything you just said. “I did not count on the full-blown hissy-fit with no sign of abatement because “that guy” is in the White House” is not to different then “I didn’t count on the outright racism with no sign of abatement because “that guy” is a black man in OUR White House.

    “Even though the GOoPers have essentially written the budget deal, the second that the President signs it the Reichwhiners will throw a tantrum over them “caving” to the President.” I think it could also be said in teabagger vernacular, even though the GOPers have essentially written the budget deal, the second Obama signs it the riechwhinners will claim “Boner is letting that nword get away with spending all our money and we need to primary his sorry butt”.

    Either way you look at it the meaning is the same. What I don’t think allot of folks are getting is that this isn’t about politics anymore, this is about destroying the country for the sake of 400 people who see themselves as entitled to the entire country. What upset me the most about what the President said last night was that he wanted to not have “politics as usual”.

    If the President had give 100 billion or 100 trillion, it wouldn’t have made any difference, it’s not about money, it’s about overthrowing the duly elected government of the United States by any means available. If that means elections, disenfranchising voters or disagree with them, calling in thugs to a peaceful demonstration, or inspiring other to kill for them the Corporate Party has one answer, “so be it”.

    Your can’t penetrate racism, you simply have to oppose it at all costs.

  • Anonymous

    For some odd reason, Santorum and his “phantom caravan” of a political career remind me of a verse from Edward Fitzgerald’s 1872 translation of The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam:

    A moment’s halt–a momentary taste
    Of being from the well amid the waste,
    And lo!–the phantom caravan has reach’d
    The nothing it set out from–oh, make haste!

    “The NOTHING it set out from” indeed. The perfect description.

  • Anonymous

    Until republicans cut all funding for public bike trails.

  • Anonymous

    ” . . . they don’t mind . . . STEALING an election . . . ”

    Of course not. It’s worked for them since ’02.

    Just imagine for a second (more than that will hurt your head) what the response would have been in ’09 when Ds held the H, S, and WH, as well as a majority of governorships, if Ds had pulled a Walker, and if Soros really was what the wingnuts say he is to the D party and he bankrolled a national progressive agenda that all Ds simultaneously acted upon?

  • Anonymous

    Hate to break the news to you…but it could be argued that we’re already there. According to a recent report from the Economic Policy Institute, 87.2% of the nation’s wealth is controlled by only 20% of Americans. Frankly, that suggests that “everybody else” (i.e., 80% of Americans) are already being forced to “scrounge and scavenge and make do with the leftovers” — which amounts to a measly 12.8% — and there’s absolutely no reason to believe that this won’t get worse. We might as well abandon the pretense that this country still values freedom, because true freedom is not possible in a country where an overwhelming majority of the power and wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few. It might not be so bad if those few were benevolent and socially conscious…but human nature being what it unfortunately is, that’s almost never the case and it certainly isn’t true in this one.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not “infighting” you stupidsh!t, and you know it. It’s 2 people dis-agreeing. Liberals don’t march in lockstep like you ignorant GOPig teabaggers.

    You’re welcome for the lesson, PablowsKoch Sh!theimer.

  • Anonymous

    “PablowsKoch Sh!theimer.” LOL

  • pete

    I love semantics, Krissy. I was told that I was reading at a 12th grade level when I was 7 years old. I understand the English language pretty damned well. I have, however, learned that a whole lot of people have no idea what words mean. If the Reichwhiners actually understood the meaning of the words that come out of their mouths? They would kill themselves. Which brings me to our word…

    “Empathy”. The Reichwhiners not only lack it they think it’s a fatal flaw. On the rare occasions that they may actually find themselves looking at something from another point of view they purge it from their system in paroxysms of abject terror.

  • Anonymous

    That’s right, Belinda. And the idiots don’t realize that the second the Kochs and their other corporate masters are done using them, they’ll toss them out like yesterday’s kitty litter. Teabaggers are not only gullible, they’re stupid for not realizing they’re being used.

  • Austininc4

    I second that,Teabaggers are the most Gullible people. Makes you wonder how they dress themselves in the morning.

  • Anonymous

    young guns=punks

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me? Us punks have values….

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    My Congressman, Ben Chandler, is a Blue Dawg Democrat. He just voted with the state’s mostly Republican delegation, to neuter the EPA. He also voted against the Affordable Health Care Act and campaigned against it to win re-election. The Democratic team does not care for my criticisms of Chandler because, well, at least he’s not a Republican. Our governor, Steve Beshear, in his recent State of the State Address told the EPA to stay the hell out of Kentucky’s business. (Mountain Top Removal) He also shills for Answers in Genesis in their effort to bring the Arkpark to Kentucky as a complement to the Creation Museum. The team expects no criticism because, well, he’s not a Republican. Teams exact a high price, Pete, and be it nuanced or writ bold members are encouraged to conform. After all, it is always for the greater good. “And, I’m always leery of someone who wants to tell me – even indirectly – that their definition of “principles” is loftier than mine.” I reread my comment several times. There is not even a trace of that nor would I ever adopt so haughty an attitude. You, like I said, are a bright guy and I would never challenge your intent or character. Now, Pick, other than “work within the group”, what should I do about men like Beshear and Chandler, my fellow democrats and team members?

  • Anonymous

    garanimals

  • Anonymous

    And a grifter. The rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the rotten tree.

  • Summer

    Didn’t you know? The Arkpark is more important than the EPA. Having faith will cure you if you drink poisonous water, or inhale toxic fumes.

  • Austininc4

    Yep, Paylin is all about other peoples Money. And she teaches her children to be the same way, parasites.

  • Austininc4

    Or live in a Toxic waste land.

  • Anonymous

    Your name is chicken.

  • Summer

    Isn’t that what the Creation Museum is?

  • Anonymous

    Well we all know that the teabaggers didn’t give a fcuk about being taxed. They’re crapping their diapers because a black man is President. In Jan 2013, after President Obama starts his second term, the teabaggers will become a thing of the past.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, a toxic waste land for the gullible.

  • Summer

    They could be right, maybe we really did ride dinosaurs and fossils were put here by God to “test our Faith.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I couldn’t agree more, and as we are talking about words “Empathy”. The Reichwhiners not only lack it they think it’s a fatal flaw.” That is the perfect definition of a sociopath.

    “Common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

    Other Related psychopathologies:

    Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    Authoritarian
    Secretive
    Paranoid

    Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    Conventional appearance
    Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
    Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    Incapable of real human attachment to another
    Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

    (The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

    So Pete, here is the wonderful semantic: NO EMPATHY OR REPUBLICAN OR SOCIOPATH, pick your poison. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Yes he was. It’s as if Orwell traveled into the future and wrote about GOPigs, and the Reagantard and Bushtard regimes. 1984 applies to the Bushtard regime too.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not funny at all, that’s cheap and horrible.

  • Austininc4

    The Truth normally is, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Go away racist!

  • Anonymous

    Like ALL republicans, conservatives and teabaggers, MrDuckBugger is a gutless yellow coward.

  • Anonymous

    Hey MrDuckBugger? How about giving me a BJ? A wet sloppy one would be nice. What do you say?

  • Anonymous

    Look DuckBoy am I going to have to humilate you everyday before you grow a pair and stand up and assume a little responsibility for your innane actions?

  • Austininc4

    I think the people who believe that crap at the creation Museum, were put here to “test our Faith”. They are gullible, and expect everyone else to follow their lead.

  • Austininc4

    I think the people who believe that crap at the creation Museum, were put here to “test our Faith”. They are gullible, and expect everyone else to follow their lead.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Krissy, you could saved yourself a lot of typing by just pasting up a picture of Mitch McConnell.

  • Anonymous

    Liar

  • Austininc4

    Or Newt Gingrich

  • Anonymous

    Hey MrDuckBugger? Your posts are disappearing. How does it feel to be irrelevant and useless?

  • mhandrh

    OT
    Just returned from a “We Are One” rally in downtown Chicago. About 6,000 people there according to police. It was nice to be among people united in the cause to support working America.

  • Anonymous

    Austininc4, don’t make me put you on the ignore list with shamsky24.

  • Anonymous

    The best we can do is consider Blue Dogs to be place holders until better Democratic candidates can be groomed and supported. The good and bad news about operating in our current system is that it takes numbers to affect change. We need the numbers at every level of state and federal government.

    Look at the governors races around the nation. Some Rs won by fewer than 100 votes. If we hadn’t lost so many of those, the union-busting that’s going on would have had some stumbling blocks. Frankly, I didn’t have a full understanding of the roles that governors could play in advancing a national agenda until recently. Then again, the Republican party wasn’t always as evil as recently.

    What I and my “crowd” do with our local blue dogs is send them letters to their offices or homes. We try to influence them in private. Everyone likes to “save face” – politicians especially. We try to make sure there are at least 5 letters going out on the same day. It gives the impression of a “trend”. Even if it only lasts a day, politicians can be counted on to over-react. We always get responses. And, we can work for change without embarrassing the pol in public.

    For example, just three of us got a representative to change his position on approving the sale of some state land, and the sale to a developer who intended to mow down trees and eliminate bike paths was stopped. Since we did it behind the scenes, he was indebted to us and proved to be an ally – and he was a Republican. We had discovered that the deal had been struck under shady circumstances – had hard evidence, documents, etc. – and to stop it, we needed one vote, and that only Republicans were involved. We brought the evidence to the rep because, despite the R tag, we knew him to be an honest man (old fashioned GOP). We gave him the chance to do the right thing and he did. Had we misjudged him, we still had all other options open.

  • Anonymous

    Any religious fundamentalists are a sad example of educating children. They don’t educate, they indoctrinate. If you want to see a real example, watch Jesus Camp. It will make you sick to see how the fundamentalists have bastardized the teachings of Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    Saw a expose on the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church and their authoritarian and patriarchal practice of religion. Truly disturbing. When one gives over their power to those in authority – any authority – then that is a great big recipe for abuse.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Austin, they run that place like a prison. When you enter, you can’t go back. The doors have no handles on your side. Ken Hamm is despicable. They had a million and a half or so visitors last year. I proposed a Stoning Pit at the new Arkpark but haven’t heard anything yet.

  • Anonymous

    She was thinking of us – empathy. ‘ )

    The sight of him makes my blood start to boil. Not to mention he looks like an owl that just got goosed. Blech.

  • Anonymous

    Baghdad Bob would be so proud of this moment, with Republicans and Democrats in Washington D.C. crowing about being victorious, even as gasoline prices in the U.S. shoot up above $4 a gallon (due to oil futures speculators being allowed to run amok again like in 2008), even as this Republican and Democrat austerity “compromise” will cost jobs and drive up unemployment (probably over 10 percent within months), even as Republican governors enact draconian state deficit-exploding tax-cutting measures that will also drive up state unemployment levels, even as Republicans howl for further revenue-draining tax cuts for the wealthiest and corporations with Democrats caving to Republican blackmail.

    We as a nation aren’t getting ready to see a “double-dip” recession, we’re seeing the economic foundation laid for another Great Depression…and the Baghdad Bobs in both the Republican and Democratic Parties are trying to claim victory for what they just set in motion. So, the federal government didn’t get shut down by the rabid ideological Republicans (this time)? What about the rest of the country and the adverse impact what they just did will have on everyone else, that is, everyone who isn’t part of the elitist top 1 percent? Baghdad Bob would be so, so proud.

  • Anonymous

    In the “name of the Lord”. shudder

  • Anonymous

    This stupid troll thinks everyone is as stupid as he is. He didn’t just slip up and post the same message using two different names, Thursday he actually admitted that he was duckbuttface.

  • Austininc4

    Sounds like some of these Reichwing Churches..

  • Anonymous

    yet he still won’t admit that there never was a grebe thesis…

  • Austininc4

    That’s why they want to ban Sheria Law, they don’t want any competition.

  • Austininc4

    Please do, I couldn’t thank you enough.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. And to think we all thought you were just a stupid loser.

  • Anonymous

    Rigged and stolen, as usual.

  • mhandrh

    A coordinated, effective strategy!

  • Anonymous

    “a national progressive agenda that all Ds simultaneously acted upon…”

    Don’t tease… that’s just cruel… =P

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Jesus Camp

    *shudder*

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t say that… they are very good at constantly lowering the value of family…

  • Anonymous

    yes, they throw him out of office.

  • Anonymous

    Doom and gloom around here again. Last night there was great jubilation at how OblaBla beat back the T-Party/GOP and saved Planned Parenthood for all time. Did you people wake up this AM and discover the sham that was pulled on you again?

    The script could have been written by Charles Schultz.

    Lucy: I’ll hold the football Charlie Brown, you run up and kick it.

    Charlie Brown: AUUUGH! Not Again!

  • Anonymous

    did you take a nap,

    and forget you’d already posted that once today?

  • Anonymous

    You’re drunk I never did any such thing.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, dummy, your guys folded like the old queens they are.

    You lost, we won.

    Get used to it.

  • Anonymous

    When your mother said it wouldn’t be awkward in the morning…

    ….did you believe her?

  • Anonymous

    Of course, Boner folded first, as he had to get to his Nazi meeting with Traitor Bush.

  • Anonymous

    If we wish to call this process a natural evolution of democracy we are surly devoid of that which inspired our nation and its citizens to become free of imperial domination. And gazing upon these tables presently, we are reminded why when men are confronted with blatant truths, they may then find reason to act.

    The usurpation of the desires (much less the representation) of the citizens by the present sycophants of government in service of the oligarchs and corporatists, is now clearly demonstrated by the disparity in taxation, itself a only a small example of the inequity inherent.

    While full of faults, the dreams which are so hammered home as the raison d’etre for the existence of this nation, are now exposed as hollow and vapid excuses for the norm, which has been, and continues unabated to be, the exploitation of the masses in service of the few via debt and wage slavery.

  • Anonymous

    Cletis, I wrote to the Arkpark too. I suggested a daily show with real lions and christians. I haven’t heard from them either.

  • Anonymous

    Well, america is now full of Good Germans, like our trolls and the teabagging fascist-enabling cowards of the rabid right.

  • Anonymous

    And torture, we mustn’t forget torture, after all, they approved of Bush and Cheney authorizing torture….it is sooooo American now days.

  • Anonymous

    Hilarious and appropriate! Thanks for sharing.

  • Anonymous

    Am I seeing things in this little thread? The first post was by 7thPests, the reply to tombaker1 was from Duckbutter. Did the sockpuppet forget who it was logged on as?

  • Anonymous

    more than likely, it is Saturday night and “certain” trolls have been known to be totally “drunk with keyboard” from week to week.

  • Anonymous

    That’s happened several times. Others are convinced this proves duckbutter’s sockpuppetry but I believe it’s too obvious and assume it’s part of the troll’s shtick. A familiar troll all the way around, really, one that’s convinced it’s very clever and amusing.

  • Anonymous

    C$ap! Is that what we are to leave ourselves to? Those ill-informed and propaganda influenced succubii are in fact those of lesser concern. It is the empowered private interests whom have the ear, lip, and genitals of our politicians in a financial vice.

    The hoi polloi are in a uncomfortable place, the HD TV’s are blaring, the kids are crying about Nintendo, and the price of fuel, bread, and others are rising. Yet, it is the continuance of policy which is the foremost of concerns of all whom are in service to the single most awesome and devastation imposing nation in the history of the world. Tremble before that which will destroy you, peasants foreign and domestic.

  • Anonymous

    And all the blah blah blah about waking the slumbering beast in Wisconsin. They still only had a 30% turn out to vote and it ended up 50/50.

    I guess all those union thugs bussed in for the demonstrations at the Capital in Madison couldn’t stick around to cast an illegal ballot.

    We’re all Egyptians now. BTW how’s that working out for them? Jasmine revolution my azz.

  • Anonymous

    This is what we know. 7thTroll is the idiot who namejacks. This is a known habit of olbysucker. olbysucker is now going by mayhem2 and the other evening he admitted that duckbuttface was his filthy sock. Like Gummitch says, this stupid troll has convinced itself that it’s very clever and amusing. It’s not.

  • Anonymous

    working americans and their families suck,

    and less democracy is better,

    huh fuzz?

  • Anonymous

    i wish people like fuzz just had the guts to come right out and say what’s really bothering them,

    instead of beating around the bush with a bunch of glib nonsense.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Above all else, trolls are boring and inconsequential. *yawn*

  • Anonymous

    They had a turnout about 33%, which is equivalent to turnout in a presidential election. This is much much higher than regular spring elections. Do try to keep up.

  • Anonymous

    And the top 2% of income earners pay 40% of federal income taxes.

    Note the chart above…see where Billy-Bob Clinton raised taxes on the median family? Great stuff, huh? He and the Dems raised taxes during THE biggest Bull Market in American history. And they tried to continue this practice through the end of his term. BRILLIANT!

    Zooey-is that “inconsequential” enough for you?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Trolls think they won’t be affected by the crap going on in this country, cuz they’re on the “right team.”

    They are going to be so disappointed.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    You always exceed my expectations, Duckbutter.

  • Anonymous

    Nope…I know this will come as quite a shock to you, but I’ve NEVER had multiple aliases at any one time here….don’t need them. I can dismantle progressive ideology without having to resort to tactics other than the truth.

    Just the facts, ma’am.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah Fuzz, it took a “forgetful former employee” of Prosser’s to get his 50%. Do you see a trend here in our elections? I do and it makes me wonder why so much attention is being spent here in Wisconsin over 1 or 2 cases of voter fraud when 14,000 votes suddenly appear. “Jussssst saaayyyiiiinnnggggg.”

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Tom, that was meant for brainless, it’s been a long day.

  • Anonymous

    Care to comment on the absentee ballots found in a trunk of a car in the Franken election?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    That’s you saying so, which means nothing. Funny that you don’t understand that by now.

    You’ve never dismantled anything but your own mind and integrity.

    Run along, fool.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, when you show me your source as I believe nothing a troll says…

  • Anonymous

    zooey, i suspect that the fakey doc understands it, but just chooses to ignore it for the sake of his hobby (trolling). much like he chooses to ignore so much of objective reality for the sake of his ideology.

  • Anonymous
  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    And massively overblown ego…

  • http://twitter.com/BaracksEvilTwin BaracksEvilTwin

    BaracksEvilTwin
    #onlyintheghetto People still believin dey gettin their Obama money from my stash #Obama2012slogans I can fool the black people all the time

  • Anonymous

    And lets not forget that OblaBla’s war in Libya is turning into a quagmire with no endgame or exit strategy in sight. I wonder if Michelle has to turn her head when she dusts the Nobel Peace Prize?

    All in all quite the week for the progressive movement, or turdsandwich as he says.

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    Liar. Here’s a fact, “ma’am.” You posted the same comment under two different screen names. Did you think we would forget?

    From this TP thread: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/02/steve-king-suicide/#comment-176934716

    Previous thread:

    mayhem2 27 minutes ago in reply to Fred666
    Verify it yourself…do some DD on the subject…quit taking your Maddow talking points and regurgitating them here. You didn’t hear what I just wrote on ANY talk show, because I can think on my own, unlike most of you kool-aid drinkers.

    Just above:
    MrDuckworth 37 minutes ago in reply to glogrrl
    Verify it yourself…do some DD on the subject…quit taking your Maddow talking points and regurgitating them here. You didn’t hear what I just wrote on ANY talk show, because I can think on my own, unlike most of you kool-aid drinkers.

    Why should we believe anything you say when it can be easily proven you are a liar?

  • Anonymous

    It fits right in the with entire Rescum party. Jobs…look over there, abortions are still happening. Jobs…look over there, Shariah law is a major problem. Jobs…look over there, the gays are getting married. Etc, ad nauseum.

  • Anonymous

    I find it quite amusing to destroy the lies, media manipulations, incompetency while exposing corruption not only within the current administration, but those of you that support BO no matter what he does. I’ve made my predictions here, and they continue to come to fruition.

    I did NOT, however, predict that BO would be so stupid as to attempt to take credit for the budget cuts, when the reality is, $78B was trimmed from HIS budget. How pathetically lame is that?

    Well…not as lame as some of the other faux pas’ he’s made.

    He must think we’re really stupid, huh? Well…now that I think about it…most progressives at this blog, are.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Because he f*cking says so, Wayne! It’s enough for the troll, why not us?

    *gag*

  • Anonymous

    Good sleuthing, Wayne! Of course, when Troll declared he’d never trolled under multiple monikers, he didn’t mean that as a fact. Like Kyl, just because something is stated emphatically and without qualifications, it may or may not be true.

  • Austininc4

    What did Bush use his Nobel Peace Prize? Oh, I forgot he will get his at the Hague. Alone with President Cheney.

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t mean that I posted the copy-cat post. A long time ago, this site was known for alias hi-jacking as well…and had many of my id’s copy-catedd. There’s only one mayhem2, and I’m…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Austininc4

    Where were you from 2001-2008? Oh, I forgot the state Lunatic Asylum.

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    Troll must have been “illustrating a point,” which is that he’s a liar.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    I’d be happy if you’d just learned to add since you were here last.

    How much land area do you need for a 780MW windfarm?

  • Austininc4

    maybelle2

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    If you say so, motomark (who also liked to use that same idiotic catchphrase.) You’re not a very good troll, are you? And if you insist that you never post under multiple names, then you are a pathetic liar, too.

  • Anonymous

    According to the article I linked you to…a lot more than you’re projecting.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    Never heard of you. How much land area do you need for a 780MW windfarm?

  • Anonymous

    “Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.”

    Says the sac sucking teabagger. Wonder what’s in his face?

  • Anonymous

    How incredibly astute…how germane, prudent and appropriate. You must work hard to develop such cerebral comments.

    It doesn’t come easy to you, does it?

  • Austininc4

    He is dreaming of Teabagging Glen Beck. Now that Beck is soon to be unemployed.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    It would be funny, if it weren’t so stupid and pathetic.

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    If you can’t add, confirm data, or apply any critical thinking skills, why should we trust anything you say?

  • Austininc4

    Yep, it’s easy to point out a fraud, fake, JOKE Scum. Should I continue?

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    How much land area do you need for a 780MW windfarm?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Because he says so! Isn’t that enough!

    **laughing out loud**

  • Anonymous

    poor old mayhen.

    not a friend in the world.

  • Anonymous

    Even better — I made the list! Check it out:

    Austininc4, don’t make me put you on the ignore list with shamsky24.

    I’m Duckbutt’s new favorite! Yee-hah!

  • Austininc4

    He can’t, and we don’t…

  • Anonymous

    Reading comprehension is not your forte, is it?

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    An article from a lying oil-lobbyist. How much land area do you need for a 780MW windfarm?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    **snort**

    So damned weak.

  • Anonymous

    TRUE supply-side economics DEMANDS that spending be cut, along with tax cuts.

    Can you tell me a time when that has occured?

    There’s no doubt, however, that Obamanomics has buried Keynesian theory for the remainder of my life. Good riddance.

  • Anonymous

    ridin’ that sweet gop turnip truck.

    windows tinted on the inside – lee greenwood blastin’ on the a-m system,

    goin’ nowhere at 86 mph and 3 mpg!!!

  • http://twitter.com/IanBruce Ian Bruce 伊恩·布鲁斯

    How would you know. You can’t add. How much land area do you need for a 780MW windfarm?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Supply-side economics is complete bullsh!t.

  • Anonymous

    no harm, no foul.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    they pretend they’re not already,

    yet they most definitely are.

  • Anonymous

    Get your story straight hamstrung. The taxes were raised to get rid of the GOP created deficit and it worked! Today’s answer is to take from the weakest in our society so the likes of you won’t have to suffer. If I were to venture a guess you profited somehow from the derivative market somehow. As you righties like to say there is no “Free Lunch” until it comes for you to pay.

  • Anonymous

    And Obama has buried Keynesian theory.

    Sweet revenge.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is in a quagmire in Libya – Where were you in 2003
    Obama is a socialist – where were you when Bush pushed through TARP
    Obama is the “abortion” president – where were you when Bush gave $ to PP
    Obama is abusing executive power – where were you when Bush/Cheney
    were using the Constitution as toilet paper
    Obama is/does….blah, blah, blah – where were you 2001-2008

    Sac sucking teabaggers.

  • Austininc4

    Still peddling those bogus links, huh?

  • Anonymous

    who was that president who totally balanced the budget,

    created a pretty hefty surplus,

    and actually reduced the national debt?

    wasn’t he a democrat?

  • Anonymous

    Wrong sailor. Try to remember what was occuring back in the mid-’90′s…anything important?

  • Anonymous

    wrong, mayhen.

    …about that reading comprehesion thing….

  • Anonymous

    FINALLY! I figured if I threw that “worm” out there, that somebody would take the bait. And what’s so great, is that it’s tombaker! ROFL!

    OK…now…what piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

    (the sound of Jeopardy music playing in the background)

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Revenge of what on whom, idiot?

    You are a complete f*ckwit if you think none of this will affect you or yours.

    Well, you’re a f*ckwit any day, but especially so if you think you’re immune to the oligarchy sucking up any and all money in sight.

  • Anonymous

    rinse, repeat.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, Newt was changing wives like he was changing socks.

  • Anonymous

    So let me get this straight following the law and lodging a valid objection to inappropriately rejected absentee ballots equates with running a ward’s election with a personal computer or admitting that you knew of the “mistake” the prior night, but wait until the next day to announce it during a canvasing of votes? Try again with a source and this time use something that will actually help your argument. I’m tired of having to understand your point of view in fantasyland.

  • Anonymous

    Who was president when the worst terrorist attack on the US happened?

  • Anonymous

    tombaker…shall i repeat the question?

  • Austininc4

    Cheney!!!! Bush was the Vice President

  • Anonymous

    Who are you, never heard of you. I noticed a smell and thought it was swamp gas but then I realized it was your posts.

  • Anonymous

    um – hey, mayhen,

    i don’t really read your posts,

    k?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Ohhhhh, that Duckbutter is insidious.

  • Anonymous

    ROFLMFAO!

    OK…next!!

    How about you, Austiinc4?

  • Austininc4

    give it up maybelle2, you’re losing poorly.

  • Anonymous

    poor sportsmanship is one of the wingnuts’ most prominent traits.

  • Anonymous

    Would you like to “take a shot” at the question, Zooey?

    I mean…a legal secretary “should” have an idea…right?

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

  • Anonymous

    legend in his own mind.

  • Austininc4

    How about what, who are you, Mr.DuckButter , mudpuppy, how many socks are you in a 24 hour period?

  • Anonymous

    apple-orange, mountain-molehill,

    it’s all a matter of fraudulent expedience when you’re a “person” like mayhen.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the problem tombaker…”cat got yer tongue”?

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    First I’d have to care, Duckbutter.

    Do you find something wrong with an honest and lucrative occupation such as “legal secretary?”

  • Austininc4

    LYING is their trait.

  • Anonymous

    they are SO cheap down at the swapmeet at the fairgrounds that there’s literally no limit.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Duckbutter/motomark/”mayhem” is masturbating furiously — keep giving him attention!

  • Anonymous

    I’m going to ram this cra p right down your throats…it exposes you all SO well. This is great.

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

  • Anonymous

    sure – dishonesty is right up there with complete lack of sportsmanship.

  • Austininc4

    NAFTA, FOOL!!!! A Republican Party Bill to kill the middle class.

  • Anonymous

    ick.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Blah blah blah, snore……………………………….

    What is the result TODAY, F*CKTARD?

  • Austininc4

    Glass-Seagul, A Jesse Helms, Phil Gramm Bill..Another Bill to kill the Middle Class

  • Anonymous

    who was president during the the WORST period of job creation in the history of the US?

  • Anonymous

    ROFL!

    You people are too transparent. Transparently ignorant. Don’t expect the answer to be given on O’Donnell’s show…

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

  • Anonymous

    (he appears to think he’s “winning” something. kinda like sheen with a 8-ball in his bloodstream)

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Maybe he’ll finally manage to finish and go away for a nap.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    That’s our new response — Winning!

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Winning!

  • Anonymous

    always the pragmatist, aren’t you Z?

  • Austininc4

    You need to read a history book both Glass-Seagal and NAFTA, caused a Bull market.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    The eternal pragmatist. ;)

  • Anonymous

    Austin-it’s Glass-Steagall…and what does that have to do with Billy-Bob Clinton? Sheesh!

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

  • Austininc4

    He is proving he knows nothing about the 90′s.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Winning!!

    Not you!

  • Anonymous

    The biggest bull market in US history was Bill Clinton’s fault!

  • Anonymous

    Game, set, match. Time’s up…you lose.

    Great talking points, but nothing to back it up. Will save responses for future reference.

  • Anonymous

    (looks like the manic fugue state is kicking in)

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    You could have stopped at “He is proving he knows nothing.”

  • Anonymous

    The Dow at the end of Bush’s term: 7949
    The Dow at the close on Friday: 12,380

    where were you 2001-2008, sac sucker?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Because YOU declare it to be so.

    Go gaze at yourself in the mirror for a while. You’re boring us.

  • Anonymous

    yes, well, sure, but Bush was white…

  • Anonymous

    just one deranged loner,

    his transistor radio,

    and a netzero subscription,

    frittering away a lost american life.

    tom waits should do an album about it.

  • Austininc4

    LOL!!! I agree

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    I thought Clinton was the first “black” president!?

  • Anonymous

    Put them right up with your research into sales of Atlas Shrugged. You remember “only exceeded by The Bible”? You’ve had hours to track it down.

  • Austininc4

    He’s playing Trivial Pursuit, with himself.

  • Anonymous

    And you can’t answer a simple question…and the reason is not what you think or give…it’s because you CAN’T.

    One of THE biggest talking points by ALL the idiotic Dem-loving talking heads…and I just dismantled it with a simple question.

    You’ve just been exposed. How does that feel?

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face!

  • Austininc4

    That’s what Republicans called him, as well as other names.

  • Austininc4

    A simple question from a “simpleton”.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Oh, was I supposed to be reading your sh!t? So sorry.

    I’ve been exposed? Exactly how, doofus? Noramlly being exposed feels rather nice, breezy, and cool, but being “exposed by you does nothing for me. Hmmmm, I bet that’s a common theme in your life.

    How’s the wife, by the way?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    They thought it would hurt him. But they were wrong, as usual.

  • Anonymous

    maryhem:
    I’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNINGI’MWINNING

  • Austininc4

    Thank You, facts get in the way of his rant. He has been changing socks so much today, he’s confused.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Zooey! Don’t know if Clinton was ‘black’ but he wound up as the meat in a Bush sandwich. (wow, does that sound wrong…)

    I can be gone for days, weeks, months but the trolls are always regurgitating the same talking points whenever I return.

    Has this one figured out it can earn multiple nickels for the same drivel if it posts under different socks?

  • Austininc4

    Yep, and all the Republican Congressman who were attacking him, were exposed. Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, Mark Sanford, David “Diaper” Vitter, a very long list.

  • Austininc4

    Clinton got Bushwacked..

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Who knows? I should consider keeping track. ;)

  • Anonymous

    The rescums should thank their lucky stars for the 22nd amendment. They forget how popular bubba was. He would have beaten Bush in a landslide! Sac suckers in a frenzy over a bl0wjob. Now that’s irony.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Perverts is always wrong. ;)

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    A blow job under “improper”circumstances makes all the difference — in some mysterious way.

    Personally, I think anything that came his way from Hilary was more devastating that what Congress did to him. And that’s the way it should have been.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Winning!!!

  • Austininc4

    Yep, And there were a lot of them in the Republican Party doing the 90′s Perverts..

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know anything about the stock market.

  • dixie_blood

    You are stupid. Just like yesterday.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Where did mayhen go?

    Was it something I said…?

    Oh, here’s “Duckbutter” to save the day…

  • Anonymous

    And you don’t know anything about Keynesian economics.

  • Anonymous

    Nationwide, wi

  • Anonymous

    uh-oh, fakey!

    looks like you’ve been namejacked again by a nefarious liberal trying to make you look foolish!

    i mean, what other explanation could there be for a comment appearing under your name thusly:

    “What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history? ”

    … mere hours after this appeared under the same disgraced moniker:

    “Tsk, tsk, tsk….namecalling only indicates the depth of your own misgivings and ignorance….which appears to have no bottom. ”

    those dastardly liberals!!!

  • Austininc4

    Maybelle2, you changed socks, AGAIN!!!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t read my sh!t?

    Edit ReplyReply Zooey 7 minutes ago in reply to mayhem2

    Do you find something wrong with an honest and lucrative occupation such as “legal secretary?”

    ________________________________________________________________

    So I guess you do, huh? LMAO!

    Selective cognition….must be a secretaries’ trait.

    Wife is doing great…thanks for asking.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Yeah yeah…

  • Anonymous

    Bill Clinton signed Gramm-Leach-Bliley in December of 2000. How is that piece of legislation responsible for the bull market that preceded it?

  • Austininc4

    You must have 2 computers Maybelle2, you’re posting a Mr. DuckButter

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    You should leave your brain to science. We’d find out quite a bit about abnormal “thinking.”

  • Anonymous

    must be so difficult to keep track of all those socks…

  • Anonymous

    especially when mom doesn’t label them

  • Austininc4

    It replaced The Glass-Seagal Act.

  • dixie_blood

    Prove it. You can’t. I WIN!!!

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, keeps him confused..

  • Anonymous

    Hey, did you know that 40,000 factories closed in the United States between 2000 and 2008? Did you know that the Beloved Republican Congress voted down EVERY bill proposed to close the loopholes that allowed Corporations to offshore jobs?

    Yeah, Clinton signed NAFTA and I believe that he has said that h regretted ever doing so.

  • Austininc4

    You must be off your meds tonight?

  • Anonymous

    “abby someone…”

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Winning!!

  • Austininc4

    Bush bragged about outsourcing American Jobs to other counties.

  • Anonymous

    I know that it repealed Glass-Steagall, but it was not signed by Clinton until he was a month away from retirement. The bull market preceded the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Oh dear, this will devastating to Duckbutter/mayhen.

  • Austininc4

    You’re right. I tried to forget the 90′s

  • Anonymous

    Dow on Jan 22, 2001 (first day of Bush): 10,581
    Dow on Jan 21, 2009 (last day of Bush):7,949
    Dow on Friday: 12,380

    I may not know much about the stock market, but I sure as sh*t can do basic math. Sac Sucker.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t have ANYTHING to do with the Bull Market/dot-com bonanza. But parts of the Bill, which were written by Dodd and Schumer helped fuel the economic collapse.

    You’re getting closer…but that wasn’t it.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Because DUCKBUTTER says so!!!!

  • Austininc4

    If you notice, he won’t touch that. Baggers hate facts.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I hate to say this but Clinton should have never signed that bill no matter what excuse we give. The same with the telecommunication bill, NAFTA and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act…..

  • Anonymous

    Hi Grebie…

  • Austininc4

    I agree, 100%

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    mayhen has meds?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    mayhem2, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was written largely by republican senator Phil Gramm and the lobbyists from Wall Street and the Banks.

    Schumer and Dodd acted as the go between, between Clinton and Gramm.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Maryhen and Duckbutt, do you guys share the inflatable girlfriend, or do you each of one of your own?

  • Summer

    Hmm that’s odd, because I remember quite clearly the Republicans touting what the Dow under Bush was , when it was at it’s lowest under Obama. Now it’s irrelevant..just like they are!

  • Anonymous

    Another Saturday night and they aint got nobody… Grebie and DuckBoy need to be treated with baby gloves….

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    I just hope they have some baby oil — to keep down the friction, ya know.

  • Anonymous

    What piece of legislation did Billy-Bob write or sign that was responsible for THE biggest Bull market in US history?

    Jeez, you are a gigantic f**king bore. The reason that nobody’s bothering to respond to this is because it’s a transparently stupid, loaded question. Presidents don’t “write” legislation, and even if they did, no single piece of legislation can be deemed responsible for the behavior of the stock market. If you want to talk about contributing factors, we can certainly cite the repeal of Glass-Steagall, cuts in the capital gains rate, the Retirement Protections Act of 1994 and modifications to existing ERISA law which helped spur the growth of private and public pension funds, and a host of favorable economic indicators which may or may not have had anything to do with Clinton personally.

    But so what? Ultimately what the 90s bull market brought about was the collapse of the 2000s. Stocks that were grossly overvalued for years eventually tanked, while the hands-off, laissez-faire policies of the later Clinton years were expanded exponentially under Bush, further encouraging the culture of deregulation, wild speculation and reckless lending that eventually led to the near-collapse of our whole financial system.

    So the answer is no, there’s no one piece of legislation from Clinton that can be deemed solely responsible for the bull market of the 90s. Given the disaster that it ultimately wrought, though, I’d be hard-pressed to view that as a bad thing.

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone explained to mayfly that presidents don’t write legislation?

  • Anonymous

    What’s the history behind your calling maryhem “Grebie”?

  • Austininc4

    Exactly!!!!!

  • dixie_blood

    Why would they need an inflatable girlfriend when they have each other?

    And don’t forget that they are b_tt buddies with Mark Koldys and Eric Odom.

  • Austininc4

    Here you go MayBelle2, this is some information you can research about your favorite President St Ronnie.

    ——————————————————————————-

    When doctors at the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health asked for more funding for their work on AIDS, they were routinely denied it. Between June 1981 and May 1982 the CDC spent less than $1 million on AIDS and $9 million on Legionnaires’ disease. At that point more than 1,000 of the 2,000 reported AIDS cases resulted in death; there were fewer than 50 deaths from Legionnaires’ disease. This drastic lack of funding would continue throughout the Reagan years.

  • dixie_blood

    I hope they get a nasty rash and rug burns.

  • Anonymous

    Sad that such inequity is so plain in the face of so many yet is ignored, as it is counter to the prevailing folk-tale that hard work is rewarded, the pulling one’s self up by the old boot straps. If the citizens of the nation are continually deluded that this structure at all serves them, we as as nation are lost to the interests which seek to make war and the funding of such a perpetual exercise.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t want to know… Fakey is jealous of people with educations so he made up this bs about a graduate thesis relative to the pied billed grebe…

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    It’s the new normal with those two…

  • Anonymous

    ookkaaayyy

  • Austininc4

    Nah, that’s to much information for him to take in, at one time.

  • Austininc4

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    while prior to that he profiled himself as receiving his Doctorate in vet medicine at CalPoly at Davis. He’s such a multi-tasker.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, I’m sure he is good with manhandling, I mean handling animals..

  • Anonymous

    needy little misfit he is…

  • Anonymous

    Well now I’m humbled to be in the company of such grandiosity.

  • Anonymous

    Mark and Eric are complete f ucking dorks aren’t they?

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Now he claims he never said he had a PhD — when he clearly did.

    Lucky for mayhen that TP wiped out all the prior comments when they went to Disqus, huh?

  • Anonymous

    I suspect that’s why he never answers you, because then he would have to entertain the very real possibility that his pathology will become known to his family

  • Anonymous

    Which you would know about right bradass. You’re like an expert on such things. Maybe they’re just “mentoring” each other.

  • Austininc4

    Who’s mentoring you, BAGGER?

  • Anonymous

    right, and his TP handle at the time was Dr. Hunt

  • Anonymous

    Was his first name Mike?

  • Anonymous

    You are correct. He isn’t so cracked that he doesn’t undersatand that he has to hide what he does….

  • Anonymous

    Hi goofy guy….

  • Anonymous

    Jeff

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, it was a reference to a scene in Porky’s. “Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?”

  • Anonymous

    Jeff sort of reminds me of that kid that was forced to play with Willard…

  • Anonymous

    Heh. I was to stoned to remember

  • dixie_blood

    Yes, and less.

  • http://twitter.com/Liberal_Tex MindyH

    Why does Rick Santorum come to mind?

  • Anonymous

    The undeniable graphic is something which is ignored by all our adult and serious politicians and pundits, whom are conveniently distracted from empirical evidence via their service of the greater political benefactors; those private partner corporations of finance and defence contracting. This clear evidence damns those actors in government as clear sycophants in service to a master which lives off the life blood of the citizen.

  • Anonymous

    Ooooh, I like you…..two thumbs up….keep up the fight for actual freedom.

  • Anonymous

    Do you need someone to talk you down?

  • Anonymous

    perhaps we should all go sell jewelry

  • Anonymous

    post it everywhere, and all the time.

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    Live simply, you’ll find it liberating .

  • Anonymous

    I live very simply. How can you preach to me when you don’t know the slightest f’ing thing about me?

  • Anonymous

    Except of course when it involves those large carbon flights to pontificate to the EuroTrash…

  • Anonymous

    Ironic that Ronnie didn’t fund stem cell research for the study of Alzheimer’s either, he could have saved himself and Nancy a lot of grief in his later years.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t realize that we had to…

  • http://freelightnow.blogspot.com/ freeman

    Keith,
    I am not at all important , most of what I think and believe has been said and done before by other better people than I . Perhaps your one of those . As you have pointed out , how would I know.

    That said the facts all point to a single inescapable conclusion , we can no longer expect the mechanisms of democracy to work unless there is a mass public non violent movement which ends ALL business as usual .

    That , unlikely as it would seem, must now be seen as our only hope in dealing with the terrible problems confronting our nation and species on planet earth .

  • Anonymous

    who benefitted from men on the moon?

  • Anonymous

    Anyone seen this graphic on “for profit colleges”?
    Anytime things are privatized it seems to be more expensive and less effectual. Private War contractors anyone?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/09/an-education-in-forprofit_n_847042.html

  • Anonymous

    For 40 years, January,1955 to January, 1995 the Democrats controlled the House. They controlled the Senate during most of that time with the exception of 6 years during the Reagan years.

    So if I look at the chart, I see that Democrats consistently lowered taxes on the richest and raised taxes on the rest between 1955 and 1995. Republicans continued the trend but at a slower pace.

    Damn those Republicans for acting like Democrats!

  • Anonymous

    Damn them… Damn them all to hell….

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    You got it! Look at what we pay Xe mercenaries for doing the same things our soldiers do or once did.

  • OutstandingInMyField

    Well sure LL, because privatizing just adds another layer of management and profit taking. Why would anyone think that adding a layer of bureaucracy between doctors and patients would be beneficial, yet that’s what insurance companies do. Privatize a defense function and you stilll have the government personel who manage the contract, along with the contractor who actually provides the product, but you’ve added a layer of private management that you must may for in spite of the fact that they’re NVA.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    It is stunning isn’t it? It’s as if those who deny these inequities some how believe they will get a prize for their stupidity.

    Our country was strong and thrived when we had a healthy, working middle class, a middle class who drove the economy.

    Now we have a middle class that is almost on life support and jobs that have been shipped overseas, never to return.

    In the mean time the parasitical corporations and businesses who remained in America found ways to increase productivity and profitability with less employees through technological advances, streamlining their production lines and other areas, cross training employees, laying off workers and running lean.

    The death of the middle class means the death of our country as we know it and corporations and the wealthy don’t care. Corporations will just move on to another country while the wealthy will will move to their gated communities and Villa’s abroad.

  • Anonymous

    It is NOT a loaded question…it drives to the heart of liberal mantra for the last decade, if not more.

    Your post is SO full of holes, it makes it difficult to determine where to begin. First…THE biggest Bull Market was from ~1993-1998. The GLB Act occured WELL after that, so the argument that overturning the Glass-Steagall Law is a red herring…it served to fuel the next bubble, which happened to take our economy down, in spite of what the GOP tried to do…but that’s another argument/debate for another time. Second, although the POTUS doesn’t necessarily write legislation, they can submit Bills to Congress as a dictate for laws that the Prez wants passed. The POTUS also submits budgets…which become law, especially if mandates are placed within that budget. But the POTUS signs the Bills into Law, he/she doesn’t amend or vote on them.

    The point is this…and one that is completely lost on you progressives. Clinton didn’t do a darned thing to create an environment for the stock market rise based on computing, the dot.com era and the trillions of dollars that flowed into this country. It was those nasty, evil corporations that fueled the surge…yes it was, (OMG) the private sector. The ERISA Laws you mentioned, had little to do with strengthening of the pension funds…but a Bull Market did.

    Bottom line….Clinton didn’t do diddly-squat. He was the recipient of the greatest expansion of private business this country has ever witnessed, yet you cretins want SO desperately to think that he had something to do with it.

    He didn’t…and THAT was my point.

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Anonymous

    It is NOT a loaded question…it drives to the heart of liberal mantra for the last decade, if not more.

    Your post is SO full of holes, it makes it difficult to determine where to begin. First…THE biggest Bull Market was from ~1993-1998. The GLB Act occured WELL after that, so the argument that overturning the Glass-Steagall Law is a red herring…it served to fuel the next bubble, which happened to take our economy down, in spite of what the GOP tried to do…but that’s another argument/debate for another time. Second, although the POTUS doesn’t necessarily write legislation, they can submit Bills to Congress as a dictate for laws that the Prez wants passed. The POTUS also submits budgets…which become law, especially if mandates are placed within that budget. But the POTUS signs the Bills into Law, he/she doesn’t amend or vote on them.

    The point is this…and one that is completely lost on you progressives. Clinton didn’t do a darned thing to create an environment for the stock market rise based on computing, the dot.com era and the trillions of dollars that flowed into this country. It was those nasty, evil corporations that fueled the surge…yes it was, (OMG) the private sector. The ERISA Laws you mentioned, had little to do with strengthening of the pension funds…but a Bull Market did.

    Bottom line….Clinton didn’t do diddly-squat. He was the recipient of the greatest expansion of private business this country has ever witnessed, yet you cretins want SO desperately to think that he had something to do with it.

    He didn’t…and THAT was my point.

    I AM…mayhem2…at your service for historical perspective, the truth, and facts that you would LOVE to overlook/ignore….

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • OutstandingInMyField

    that last phrase would be “must pay for” if I had an edit button, the patience to proofread, or a bit of self-restraint.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Actually Gramm-Leach-Bliley was signed by Clinton in 1999. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act, another horrible piece of legislation was signed in 2000.

    One caused the recent financial and housing meltdown by breaking down the barriers between commercial and investment banking. The other, not only helped the crooksters on Wall Street create exotic derivatives and naked credit default swaps and bundle millions of bad mortgages and sell them to unknowing customers but also contained the “Enron Loophole” which led to wild oil speculation and the power blackouts in California.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Buddy, He did have something to do with it. He raised taxes on the upper 2% of the income earners and increased the revenue to the government AND he left office with a surplus. You’re readying the wrong blogs fellow.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Go phuck yourself motormouth, you are a pathetic loser. Do you hold Phil Gramm at all responsible for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act? After all he authored the bill, you stupid son of a b*tch.

  • Anonymous

    What idiot President cuts taxes to the rich at the same time starting 2 wars? AND keeps it off the books? What idiot President has ever CUT taxes in WAR TIME?

    NEVER was done before Bush took office. In the ENTIRE history of the United States.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Oh boy, the loser has returned with his juvenile taunts. BAH-HA-HA-HA!

    What’s next loser? A declaration of some non existent cyber space victory?

    Motormouth: Mommy, I won! I won mommy! I really did! Aren’t you proud of me mommy? Mommy? Mommy? Mommy, what are you doing with Uncle Bill? Uncle Bill get off Mommy, you are hurting her….! Sorry mommy, I’ll go back to my room.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    You’re loaded, you retard.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Poor motormouth/mayhem/buttworth. The idiot inadvertently proved that the republicans were warned about the impending doom of the housing market by Bush’s own Treasury secretary Snow back in 2003, when they had the majority and they did NOTHING. Poor little sap has yet to live that one down.

    BAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    But that 12.8% is a lot bigger than the bottom 80%’s wealth used to be. They’ve gotten richer, too. Just not as fast.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    Sorry to break it to you, but no, their mission is not to come up with ways to take your money and any opportunities from you. take off your tin foil hat. Not everybody is out to get you.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    Umm, monopolies are quite aggressively broken up in this country. The idea that it’s not is a myth. Where are you getting your data?

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    You are retarded. And not in the savant Rain Man way.

  • Anonymous

    In 1982, the disease no known as AIDS went by many names, including GRID (Gay-Related Immunity Disorder) used by the press. The Lancet called it “Gay Compromise Syndrome” and the CDC sometimes used KSOI (Kaposi’s Sarcoma and Opportunistic Infections).

    By July 1982, there were 432 reported cases from 23 states according to the CDC. Shortly after that, the disease was found in Haitians, hemophiliacs, and drug users. By the end of 1983, the number of AIDS cases in the USA had risen to 3,064 and of these 1,292 had died.

    According to the Congressional Record Service, the government spent $5.727 billion between FY82 and FY89 on AIDS.

    FY82 – $8 million
    FY83 – $44 million
    FY84 – $103 million – more than double from the previous year.
    FY85 – $205 million – double from the previous year.
    FY86 – $508 million – double from the previous year
    FY87 – $922 million – almost double from the previous year.
    FY88 – $1.615 BILLION
    FY89 – $2.322 BILLION

    Another lie liberals try to pass as the truth!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Really? Is that why a powerful handful own cable stations, television stations, telephone companies, AM radio stations, oil companies, big banks?

    You don’t have a clue so I suggest you STFU before you embarrass yourself little man.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Hey little man, if we needed any sh*t from you we’d squeeze your head.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Hey little man, if we needed any sh*t from you we’d squeeze your head.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    I’ll bite. Please site actual statistics on the percentage of industries in the United States considered to be “monopoly/oligopoly” vs “highly competitive.” There are a ton of competition studies on this topic. Why don’t you post one of them here and we will go over the results together? You might learn something.

    BTW, I fully expect you to reply with something childish rather than actually attempt to better your knowledge on the subject.

    Oh that’s right, you’re not really interested in the truth, only with looking right on an anonymous internet message board. You see, I DO have these statistics in front of me. And I’m not the one who will be embarrassed. But you don’t have to take my word for it. See for yourself!

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    I’ll bite. Please site actual statistics on the percentage of industries in the United States considered to be “monopoly/oligopoly” vs “highly competitive.” There are a ton of competition studies on this topic. Why don’t you post one of them here and we will go over the results together? You might learn something.

    BTW, I fully expect you to reply with something childish rather than actually attempt to better your knowledge on the subject.

    Oh that’s right, you’re not really interested in the truth, only with looking right on an anonymous internet message board. You see, I DO have these statistics in front of me. And I’m not the one who will be embarrassed. But you don’t have to take my word for it. See for yourself!

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Whaaaaaaaaat the hell are you drinking? How many divestitures have there been? Agressively? You posed the question, put up!

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Whaaaaaaaaat the hell are you drinking? How many divestitures have there been? Agressively? You posed the question, put up!

  • Anonymous

    FYI – I am not MrDuckworth.

  • Anonymous

    FYI – I am not MrDuckworth.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    Yeah, I didn’t really expect you to take me up on my challenge and attempt to actually improve your knowledge of the subject. I figured you’d comeback with some sort of childish retort. You didn’t disappoint.

  • Anonymous

    “…[J]obs that have been shipped overseas, never to return.”

    Thanks to unions.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    *YAWN*

    REAGAN SUCKED!

    HE RAISED TAXES 10 TIMES AS PRESIDENT

    HE TRIPLED THE DEFICIT

    HE OVERSAW ANOTHER BANKING SCANDAL

    HE SOLD WEAPONS TO IRAQ AND IRAN

    THE CIA UNDER REAGAN ARMED, FUNDED AND TRAINED THE PRECURSOR TO THE TALIBAN AND AL QAIDA.

    HE CUT AND RAN FROM BEIRUT, APPEASING THE TERRORISTS.

    HE BROKE THE CONSTITUTION BY NOT INFORMING CONGRESS THAT WE WERE PUTTING MINES IN THE NICARAGUA HARBOR.

    HE TOOK ADVICE FROM ASTROLOGIST JEANNE DIXON.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Flagged Kyle for a childish retort!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    No dumba$$, thanks to greedy US corporations who have NO loyalty to their own country.

  • Anonymous

    2012 campaign motto: “He did/said what? I don’t care. Obama is awesome.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I don’t have time to waste on pimple dikcs….

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    No, thanks to idiots like you

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I’ll give you something to bite, you little weasel.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    That retort, while childish, was a bit too rife with spelling mistakes to make the grade. Keep practicing, though.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    dumb

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    and himclown for meaningless drivel!

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Cuz you’re totally intuitive about f*ckwit trolls?

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    flagged xicano for racist comments

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    He’s not that clever.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Talking to the voices in its head again…

  • Anonymous

    President Bush read so many books. It’s a “discipline deal,” the president says. “I don’t watch TV,” he says. And he read every morning while doing an hour of exercise and on the many long flights aboard Air Force One.

    For someone with a full-time job as the nation’s chief executive and commander-in-chief, the number of books he’s read is quite amazing: 95 in 2006, 51 in 2007, 40 by Christmas last year. Yet he lost each year in competition with his friend and political adviser Karl Rove, who revealed their book reading rivalry in the Wall Street Journal. Recently Bush has begun using a Kindle wireless reading device.

    Among his favorite books in 2008 was Tried by War, the chronicle of President Lincoln’s hands-on relationship with Union generals during the Civil War. Bush knows (and admires) the author, Pulitzer Prize winning historian James McPherson, who joined other historians at several White House sessions with the president.

    Bush has a personal interest in Lincoln as a fellow wartime president, though he never puts himself in Lincoln’s class as a leader. When Union forces faltered during the Civil War and Lincoln’s popularity sagged, two groups stuck by him firmly: evangelical Christians and the military. Those were the same groups that supported him unfailingly when the war in Iraq was going badly, Bush says.

    It’s these qualities – and so many more – that are the reason that he will go down in U.S. history as one of our greatest presidents. Can he return to the job? Good question. The law states that he can’t serve more than two “consecutive terms” but there’s no prohibition against skipping a term and running for office again. Will he run again? We can only pray he will.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    What Clinton DID do was leave a surplus — which the REPIGGIES shot to f*cking hell.

  • Anonymous

    Congrats, dumbest TP comment of all time.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    Because IP is more powerful than anyone else on the whole planet.

  • Anonymous

    DemClowns = MrDuckworth sockpuppet. Flagged.

  • http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ Zooey

    You must be new here…

  • Anonymous

    LOL… you forgot to log in to your sockpuppet account before posting this. Classic.

  • Anonymous

    That’s right, DemClowns and that’s why within the next few months thousands and thousands of jobs, American jobs, will be coming back to Wisconsin. Thanks to Gov. Scott Walker, the Koch brothers and the American Tea Party Movement.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. You must be high on goof balls.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Sure, closet racist!

  • Anonymous

    Please investigate the amendment in that Bill, written by Dodd and Schumer under threat of veto by Billy-Bob, that strengthened the CRA. It basically FORCED Banks to make a certain % of their loan portfolio to low income applicants. Gramm and the Repubs came very close to not forwarding the legislation because of their disagreement with that provision, and It had NOTHING to do with redlining…another progressive mantra that I’m more than willing and capable of destroying right before your very eyes…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Anonymous

    IP…

    Please investigate the amendment in that Bill, written by Dodd and Schumer under threat of veto by Billy-Bob, that strengthened the CRA. It basically FORCED Banks to make a certain % of their loan portfolio to low income applicants. Gramm and the Repubs came very close to not forwarding the legislation because of their disagreement with that provision, and It had NOTHING to do with redlining…another progressive mantra that I’m more than willing and capable of destroying right before your very eyes…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Summer

    Did he ever get to finish “My Pet Goat?”

    And btw, thanks for the laugh about Bush being one of our greatest Presidents. Historical scholars disagree with you, but hey..you know more than they do because you read it on a Conservative blog site, right?

  • Summer

    Flagged Xicano for flagging Kyle for his flagging childish retort that was flagged!

  • Anonymous

    And before Billy-Bob left, he tried to raise taxes AGAIN, in spite of all the warning signs that the dot-com buble was bursting, and we were headed for a recession. BRILLIANT! Raising taxes at a time of economic contraction…just like Jimmy Carter and just like The Incompetent One….the beat goes on…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    The idiots are on the board. What pathetic attempts at adulthood!

  • Anonymous

    Except that Wall Street had been pushing for a lowering of Glass Steagol BEFORE the legislation was even proposed…

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Stupidly they still try to convince themselves of trickle down. Idiotic tricks!

  • Anonymous

    Wall Street certainly shares some blame…never stated they didn’t. Bear Stearns was HEAVILY involved in MBS’s…so was Lehman. But one only needs to compare the numbers between Wall Street’s corruption to that of Fannie and Freddie to understand how the Dem created, Dem supported and Dem protected GSE’s REALLY sent us off the cliff.

  • Anonymous

    written by Dodd and Schumer under threat of veto by Billy-Bob, that strengthened the CRA. It basically FORCED Banks to make a certain % of their loan portfolio to low income applicants.

    ——————–

    After the banking industry had been clamoring for the very same thing, before the legislation was even proposed.

    Fail.

  • Summer

    You would think they would realize that it doesn’t work just by the name of it. When I think of a trickle, I don’t think of a mass quantity of something.

  • Anonymous

    Baloney. You’re trying for cause and effect, when I’ve demonstrated your timeline is hooey. Care to walk back your statements before I make you eat them?

  • Anonymous

    ROFL! Are you freakin’ kidding me? You’re not serious…are you?

  • Anonymous

    While Ba’al grants many a kind turn to his supplicants, George Bush the Younger has already expended all the beneficence accorded a dolt by a kindly deity.

  • Anonymous

    The source you linked to had NOTHING mentioning the absentee ballots – those ballots had been thrown out and not miraculously “found” by a Republican.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve already punked you once, by your own admission.

    Care for another swing?

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t scrolled up to read where you addressed my timeline…recite it again, please.

  • Anonymous

    The banks were clamoring for these investment vehicles BEFORE Gramm-Leach-Bliley was even proposed.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right about the timeline, but GLB didn’t cause the problems for which it is blamed. Investment banks were goofing around before GLB in the same way they were after it became law. Ironically, investment banks that did not align themselves with commercial banks suffered far more than those that did. If GLB had been the cause then commercial banks would have suffered in numbers far greater than what has been the case.

    The difference between the Clinton Era investment bank behavior and the Bush era investment bank behavior was regulatory discipline; the former had plenty, the latter had none.

    I agree that the CFMA was flawed in its failure to include credit default swaps as instruments worthy of some attention, but it wouldn’t have mattered. The republicans didn’t give a damn about things like that. Don’t want to interfere with business and all that happy horsesh*t, don’t ya know.

    Bottom line: the GOP threw the country in front of the bus. Why they continue to show their faces is testimony to the cognizant dissonance of their flock.

  • Anonymous

    “Punked” me? LMAO! Hardly. But here…let me help you out, as it appears you can’t perform DD…

    http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=INDEXDJX:DJI

    http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXNASDAQ%3A.IXIC

    Check out that timeline…

  • Anonymous

    I concur. The evidence is in family budget.

  • Anonymous

    YOU stated that the Banks were clamouring for the provisions in the GLB Act for the CRA…is that still your position?

  • Anonymous

    Explain how that makes your case, when it’s a fact that the Wall Street were pushing congress for these risky investments BEFORE Gramm Leach was even proposed.

  • Anonymous

    Before the legislation was even proposed. Got a link to debunk that?

  • Anonymous

    OT:

    Anyone have knowledge of : healthcare compact?
    http://healthcarecompact.org/

    Many commercial ads lately on am talk radio, including progressive and the info at the web site contains GOP style terms such as “Obama care.” As this ad is announced on progressive sites, maybe it should be identified.

  • Anonymous

    As I stated earlier this evening, Rick Santorum WON the South Carolina straw poll. Dark horse? Maybe. But than again polls show that he’s also a winner.

  • Anonymous

    What government policies have encouraged unions to find ways to ship jobs over seas? You will find that it is exactly that the government is promoting tax and labour policies which reward corporations for offshoring labour and moving profits through financial institutions which specialize in protecting client’s income from taxation. If you have an hourly wage it is the result of union action.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong on SO many levels, it defies description. One only needs to recognize the fact that the GSE’s are STILL soaking the taxpayers and weren’t even included in the Finance Reform Law…nor were Hedge Funds.

    Geez…how convenient that two of THE biggest recipients of GSE campaign money, (besides The Incompetent One), is the two corrupt Dems that wrote that POS legislation. Open the books for Issa and let him conduct his investigations. “Friends of Anthony” is the tip of the iceberg.

  • Anonymous

    Still waiting for that link.

  • Anonymous

    I never stated that Banks didn’t want to expand their business opportunities…YOU were the one that stated that Banks were in favor of the CRA…do you still take that position?

  • Anonymous

    Not when his opponent paints him as a freeloader, for taking government services in another state.

  • Anonymous

    Your humour is of the driest of vintages.

  • Anonymous

    What “loan portfolio” are you referring to? And exactly what percentage, exactly, was supposed to go into that “portfolio”?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and before the legislation was ever proposed. They were trying to do this in the first Bush administration.

  • Anonymous

    LOL! Link to show something I don’t disagree with? Is that your way of moving said goalposts? Did you state that Banks were in favor of the CRA…yes or no?

  • Anonymous

    Read the legislation yourself. Banks would be unable to expand future business, and would be subject to federal regulators auditing their books, unless they complied.

    Now…after you’ve investigated those claims, investigate the majority of business that was conducted by the GSE’s and Indy Mac.

  • Anonymous

    I already stated yes, they were pushing for legislation to lower the wall between banks and investment firms, and Gramm-Leach was the ultimate vehicle for that. It was Wall Street who pushed this through. Simple enough?

  • Anonymous

    Yep…and I never stated that wasn’t true. Now…once you’ve pulled up the timeline for passage of that Bill…take a look at the Housing Bubble…which actually started BEFORE the GLB Act…which drives to the heart of the liberal claims otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    Your cause and effect linkage is weak, for the reason I’ve stated.

  • Summer

    I especially like his views on women.

    Apparently, he thinks that we should “know our place” and stay at home, where we watch the kids and not talk back to our husbands. And how “radical feminists” tricked women into thinking that having a career makes them happy, when in fact it does not, and they are just “undermining the traditional family.”

    I swear, I don’t know how ANY woman could be a Republican, with all the freaks and woman haters you have on your side.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah…and your “zippy” one liners don’t really add much to the discussion, but they do limit your exposing nonsensical gibberish

  • Anonymous

    As I said, this started in the first Bush administration, and was a steady staple of Wall Street interest. They pushed the legislation, using feel-good rhetoric about helping low-income Americans to afford houses, which was adopted by CRA supporters. But your timeline is bogus, as is your attempt at causality.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll take that as an admission of defeat.

  • Anonymous

    Actually…FHA loans helped a LOT of lower income families realize the American Dream…but it wasn’t until Billy-Bob came into office that the wheels of “moving down the income ladder” really started churning. He strengthened the CRA…twice. The Housing Bubble began under his “leadership”. Greenspan didn’t help with extending low interests rates…but besides the Dems, one needs to look at the shenanigans of Goldman-Sachs to appreciate how corrupt the system is. I also suggest you look at the youtube video of Armando Falcon, head of OFHEO, and his excoriation by “all members Dem” in his report to Congress.

  • Anonymous

    GLB didn’t create securitization or collateralized debt obligations and it didn’t change commercial banks’ leveraging ratios. Investment banks that did not use GLB to diversify were more likely to be wiped out than those that did.

    You can go on and on about GLB, the CRA, the GSE’s, blah blah blah. The bottom line is (and everyone knows it except you) Wall Street investment banks were given carte blanche by the Bush administration to do as they pleased.

  • Anonymous

    Hardly…I’m creaming you on this topic…but I must admit…at least you’re trying. Most liberals don’t have a clue, so they begin name calling. I suppose that would be next, huh?

  • Anonymous

    I also suggest you look at the youtube video of Armando Falcon, head of OFHEO, and his excoriation by “all members Dem” in his report to Congress.

    ———————————————-

    You’ve already failed at presenting proof to debunk my assertion, about causality. Now you think anecdotal evidence will suffice?

    Priceless.

  • Anonymous

    It’s actually quite simple….Who wrote the most MBS’s?

  • Anonymous

    Actually you’re not even holding your own. Still waiting for any link to disprove what I’ve said.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a middle school lunch yard here…

    you would think that someone having undergone the rigors of academia would conduct himself with a bit more class…

  • Anonymous

    LOL! DEFLECT!

    Debunk what assertion…that the problem began under Bush I? Yes I did…when did the housing bubble begin? Under Clinton…the definition being that home values increase became separated from the COL index and inflation.

  • Anonymous

    Your attempt at showing causality has failed. Admit it.

  • Anonymous

    The delusional troll has moved that goal post at least three times.
    What a dunderhead.

    Great job Heubler – keep him on the ropes!

  • Austininc4

    For a while the American government completely ignored the emerging AIDS epidemic. In a press briefing at the White House in 1982, a journalist asked a spokesperson for President Reagan “…does the President have any reaction to the announcement – the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, that AIDS is now an epidemic and have over 600 cases?” The spokesperson responded – “What’s AIDS?”20 To a question about whether the President, or anybody in the White House knew about the epidemic, the spokesperson replied, “I don’t think so”.

    “An entire political movement grew up around the silence of the Reagan administration. The AIDS activist movement took as its call to action ‘silence equals death’ because literally the silence of the Reagan administration was resulting in the deaths of thousands and thousands of gay men in our communities across the country.”Sue Hyde, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force21

    http://www.avert.org/aids-history-america.htm

  • Anonymous

    And your attempts to dismiss my argument have completely failed. I made several statements about Billy-Bob Clinton…his involvement in the housing crisis, and his having NOTHING to do with the biggest Bull market in history. YOU have failed to prove otherwise, or provide ANY substantive evidence to the contrary.

    If this were a debate…you wouldn’t even make it to the rebuttal.

  • Anonymous

    Hardly…but nice try.

  • Anonymous

    What the fk does IndyMac have to do with anything? They didn’t start selling loans to the GSE’s until they were in deep kimshee.

    IndyMac Bank………….b*tch please

  • Anonymous

    Debunk what assertion…that the problem began under Bush I?

    ——————————————————–

    That Wall Street had been pushing congress for a lowering of Glass- Steagol, and resorted to populist rhetoric about helping low income Americans afford houses, to convince congress to enact legislation that would allow these risky investments, because they knew they could earn much more on them, because the risk/reward ratios were obscured, ON PURPOSE.

  • Anonymous

    What kind of MBS? Private label? Be specific, will ya?

  • Anonymous

    If only wishing made it so…

    No democratic causality has been firmly established, for the reasons I’ve stated.

    Try again.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pettifogging. He has the weakest of cases, and throwing out non-germane tidbits is all he’s capable of at this point.

  • Anonymous

    And how do the GSE’s factor in your equation. Again…I’ll ask a simple question…who wrote the majority of worthless paper? Even Vladimir Putin knew…even if you don’t…

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=afbSjYv3v814

    I’ll let you ruminate on that for awhile…I’m outta here, but still…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face…

  • Anonymous

    Intellectual p*ssy.

    Run away, brave Sir Robin.

  • Anonymous

    Well Heubler at least you’re trying which is more than I can say for the rest of the libs in this place. Linkages please.

  • Anonymous

    DemClowns where have you been? We need more comments like yours around here! You’re the best.

  • Anonymous

    Bon Apetit’:

    LONDON (AFP) – A lawyer for Sienna Miller said Saturday the actress has not dropped legal action over phone-hacking claims against Britain’s News of the World, despite the tabloid’s offer of compensation.

    Rupert Murdoch’s News International, which publishes the paper, on Friday offered an “unreserved apology” for phone-hacking, admitted liability in some cases brought against the newspaper and said it would set up a compensation fund.

    Miller was believed to be one of those offered a settlement from the fund, reportedly worth around £20 million.

    But her lawyer Mark Thomson said the star had been the victim of “outrageous violations of her privacy” and was considering her next steps against the weekly tabloid.

    “Sienna’s claims are based on outrageous violations of her privacy; her voice mails were persistently hacked and the information obtained was used to publish numerous intrusive articles over a period of a year,” he said in a statement.

    “She is awaiting information and disclosure from the News of the World which has been ordered by the court and will consider her next steps once this is provided.

    “Her primary concern is to discover the whole truth and for all those responsible to be held to account.”

  • Anonymous

    Hi, Mr. P?

  • Anonymous

    Proof please?

    (Jeopardy theme playing in the background)

  • Anonymous

    just a feeling…Can’t say for sure…

  • Anonymous

    ask your sock puppet “maybei’minsane.”
    You fool no one.

    I’ve found a wonderful Duck a la orange recipe I’d like to share with you.
    Just hop into this roasting pan…

  • Anonymous

    Here’s Source Watch:

    Residency and tuition controversy

    In November 2004, a controversy developed over education costs for Santorum’s children. Santorum’s legal address is in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Pittsburgh. But as a Senator, he lives at his home in Leesburg, Virginia, near Washington, D.C. (Leesburg is located about one hour’s drive west of Washington, D.C., and about 90 minutes’ drive south of the Pennsylvania border). Santorum’s five older children received education through the Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School with 80 percent of tuition costs paid by the Penn Hills School District. At a meeting in November 2004, the Penn Hills School District announced that it did not believe Santorum met the qualifications for residency status since he and his family spend most of the year in Virginia. They demanded repayment of tuition costs totaling $67,000.

  • Anonymous

    The purpose of the patriot act is to prevent terrorism where ever it may or can occur. Rupert Murdoch is a vigorous supporter of freedom around the english speaking globe. It is not surprising that liberal celebrities such as Sienna Miller (who has posed nude in certain “men’s magazines”) would tried to stand athwart these efforts made by Mr. Murdoch and his team of crack journalist’s in this life and liberty saving task by launching frivolous and unfounded attacks upon his media empire. Shame on her and all the rest of them.

  • Anonymous

    Nice faux-effort.

    H/T.

  • Anonymous

    He only has to read his/maybei’minsane2 comments on the thread for proof of juvenility.

  • Anonymous

    A few questions. Banks wanted CRA type provisions before CRA was implemented? Banks WANTED to underwrite mortgages for people less likely to meet thier obligations? They also wanted the value of realesate to skyrocket And then still have to underwrite these loans for people who were less likely to pay them back? On properties whos values had been artificially inflated due to the fact the the government created a demand insisting banks make these loans?

  • Summer

    “Rupert Murdoch’s News International, which publishes the paper, on Friday offered an “unreserved apology” for phone-hacking, admitted liability in some cases brought against the newspaper and said it would set up a compensation fund.”

    That was a good Fixed news spin you tried to pull, but it’s a shame for you that they already admitted guilt and volunteered compensation.

  • Anonymous

    Um, they didn’t give a sh*t about any of that, as long as they could sell them. Bond-rating agencies were punting on essentially ALL these type of risky investments, just so long as they got their cut.

    Moody’s? They might as well have put a red light over the door.

  • Anonymous

    Banks underwrite these loans. IF you default they LOSE money. and when they are faced with massive nationwide defaults on properties whose values have plummeted and the pool of prospective home buyers has shrunk. How could they make a profit?

  • Anonymous

    But they are not “banks.” They are (after Gramm-Leach) banks/investment firms. One arm gets the loans financed however they can, the other bundles them into risky investment packages, to sell to up-scale investors. With the bond-rating agencies’ (Moody’s, for example) blessings, one must note.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a financial time-bomb, that they must sell before it explodes. That’s the best analogy I can think of at the moment.

  • Anonymous

    God. First you claim the housing bubble began under Clinton. Wrong. There was a housing BOOM under Clinton, considerably modest compared to the housing boom during Reagan’s first few years. The boom in home prices should have subsided with the 2001-2002 recession, just like every other housing boom. Why didn’t it?

    And now you claim that Putin’s scheme to dump GSE paper was based on the quality of the paper? Wrong again. Putin wanted to force the US government into bailing out the GSE’s at a time when agency paper was performing just fine. He wanted China to do the same thing, but they decided he was nuts. Eventually he sold all his agency paper.

    Why was he so eager to force our federal government into bailing out the GSE’s? At the time, we were standing in the way of his plan to seize Georgia. If he could get China to play along, he could’ve caused a nice distraction from his expansionist plans. It’s the only thing that makes any sense. Selling all that paper at once would’ve been impossible and impractical; it would have weakened the value almost instantaneously and Putin’s GSE portfolio would have cratered. Not a particularly bright move.

  • Anonymous

    What, no talking point comeback, B?

    I’m vaguely disappointed.

  • Anonymous

    Good answer. unfortunately I will have to disagree to a point. ultimately Fannie and Freddie ended up holding this bad paper. That basic means that the tax payer, and virtually every home owner takes a bath. impoverished and working poor hardest hit of course. When there is a massive building boom low income housing is often torn down for more upscale higher tax revenue producing properties. Then when there is a massive default rent prices increase due to all those former home owners still needing lodging. This was all concocted by idealistic politicians . They were able to get the banks to go along because they guaranteed a large percentage of the loans.

  • Anonymous

    Really? Because I see it as banker/investment shills, anxious to get a larger profit, when the market for investments had essentially gone flat, from an investment banker’s commission standpoint. They had goosed “the market” as much as they could, and were seeing ever-dwindling commissions on less-than-profitable investment vehicles, at the end of Bush 1′s term. To get back to the good old “master of the universe” days of inflated stock investments, they reasoned that the housing market would be ripe for investment fraud, given the lax regulation of the housing market, by Bush era regulators, and the downward race was on.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate the opportunity to converse without ad hominem distraction, I must say, at the outset.

  • Anonymous

    Me too. I was involved in realestate in fla for several years. I saw this with my own eyes. As for your last comment.That sounds plausible if you’re talking about a small group of powerful investors. Looking at public record our representatives enacted these policies including Bush. But it is all traced back to the CRA. Without that legislation the banker/ investment shills could have perpetrated these crimes.

  • Anonymous

    But the causality is lacking, because of the push from Wall Street, who could well afford, predates the CRA. Our disagreement is over what actually spurred representatives to pass the legislation, which I think has been demonstrated to be hyperpartisan, on both sides. The left thought this would be the best opportunity for them to increase home-ownership for the poor, and minorities (their voting bloc), while the right thought it would be politically/financially useful, because Wall Street was lining their pockets with election cash to go along with the deal. Both got played.

  • Anonymous

    I disagree. Investment banks were not and are not beholden to CRA provisions, commercial banks are. Investment banks took much of the GSE’s market share beginning in 2003, when the housing bubble became an asset bubble – a really big one. They were able to wipe out GSE market share mostly because the SEC, in 2003, granted the five largest investment banks the right to leverage their capital up to 40 to 1, something commercial banks cannot do. From that point, the game was over.

  • Anonymous

    And, in solitary defense of republicans, the bond-rating agencies are most at fault. For they were the supposed regulators of an unregulated market, so republicans were also blind-sided by Wall Street perfidy.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. But representatives still made it happen you do agree with that right? Because that is my whole point. Without government pressure and Guarantee of enough risk to make sellable to opportunists/…and hey you’re going to profit huge short term! still under scores the point that they failed us. I don’t vote for and pay hedge fund managers to look after my fundamental interests.

  • Anonymous

    As long as we have agreement that a bipartisan group were responsible for this, for varying reasons, consensus can be achieved. Wall Street is to blame, primarily, with elected representatives playing less-than-idealized supporting roles. A. Bad. Idea. For many reasons.

  • Anonymous

    The ratings agencies never had a chance. They were forced to rate MBS bond architecture for which there was no model. All they had to go on was recent performance and, during the insane years, performance was good. I’m not giving them a pass, I’m just accusing them of being in over their heads while pretending to know what they were doing.

    Ultimately, once the private label securitizers replaced the GSE’s market share, someone at the SEC should have started asking questions, but that would be responsible regulation. In 2003, responsible regulation was picking the right tee time.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. Good night. 3:30…great i’m glad it’s Sunday.

  • Anonymous

    RWD:Uncle! I swear you get me every time…

  • Anonymous

    Aurthur Andersen. Bush-era regulation.

    ‘Nuff said.

  • Anonymous

    Nite, matey. Avast, ye barnicled bilge-swiller!

  • Anonymous

    Wasn’t tryin’ to get ya.

    Mostly, the problem with real estate is the enormous amount of money. People do crazy things when they get around that kind of money. It’s crazy, considering we get the land for nothing. It’s not like someone had to invent it.

  • Anonymous

    We’ve just been “shock doctrined.” Was it good for you?

  • Anonymous

    Nobody will repeat your lies, moron.

  • Anonymous

    We know you aren’t, loser.

  • Anonymous

    One rally only needs to look at history to see how the GOP has tried to destroy this country. You know so little about the facts that it’s clear that conservatatism is based on lies and fantasy, buttressed by greed, selfishness and hatred of Americans.

  • Anonymous

    Lies, lies, greed, hypocrisy and lies.

    No wonder nobody here is stupid enough to buy into you crap. You’d have to bee a brainwashed, brain-dead conservative to believe a word of yours.

  • Anonymous

    Please investigate the facts, for a change.

  • Anonymous

    Please investigate the inside of your anus, where you’re getting these ridiculous conclusions.

  • Anonymous

    Liar.

  • Anonymous

    You are the expert.

  • Anonymous

    One important piece of information about this budget deal is just where the cuts will be made. Conceivably much will be smoke and mirrors accounting, or some of it could come from farm price supports, etc. I’m not willing to judge this a disaster until I see who gets cut in the end.

  • Anonymous

    there is no liberal mantra. There is just conservative lies and hypocrisy over the fact that liberals were the founders of this country, and conservatives are still siding with royalty. Your goalpost-moving and outright lies are convincing everyone here that you have no patriotism, no interest in saving the USA from the oligarchs, and no knowledge of history.

  • Anonymous

    Clinton left us with a surplus. Bush destroyed it, the economy, and the nation’s defenses.

    Facts. Conservatives hate them.

  • Anonymous

    mayhar is the eveready bunny, same amount of brains, even.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, a piece of legislation is all that’s needed.

    You are a stupid one, mayhar. Everyone whop has studied history (leaves you out, of course) knows that Democrats have a better handle on the economy and defense than Republicans. Historical fact, in you face.

  • Anonymous

    ROFL! You haven’t clue #1! Clinton was responsible for the biggest bull market in history because the american people put their faith in Dems to strengthen the economy, as they always must do when the GOP tanks it.

    You are even stupider today than you were when I destroyed you yesterday! To think a piece of legislation is all it takes, wow, you are borderline retarded.

  • Anonymous

    That still puts it on Republicans, who never met a thief or liar they wouldn’t support. In fact, didn’t Boner run off to pay tribute to Prescott “Adolph” Bush?

  • Anonymous

    Of what? The rigors of academia? i see none in your posts.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.

  • Anonymous

    Just watched 1% last night. This is a documentary made by Jamie Johnson, an heir to the Johnson and Johnson fortune, and it is out on Netflix if you are interested. Jamie approaches the question of wealth disparity. It is good to see some of the rich offspring with an actual conscience, and it will be interesting to see if Jamie suppresses it like his father apparently did.

    Milton Freidman is one of the interviewees, as is Robert Reich among others.

    I can see how Freidman was a salesman for his economic agenda, but it is also easy to see where that mindset has no place in democracy.

    Lets hope more rich offspring understand that our children just want to have a shot at a piece of the pie and don’t want the rich rigging the system to hoard everything to themselves and intentionally make it harder for everyone else to improve their standard of living.

  • Anonymous

    You know, that’s a faint hope. The rich offspring will be worse, most likely, having been educated into a “return to royalty” mindset, aided and abetted by the brainless right, as evidenced by the stupidest rolls in the internet, appearing here daily.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but the last time that 80% of Americans controlled less than 12.8% of the nation’s wealth, the majority of Americans alive today hadn’t been born yet since that was prior to the Baby Boom. Also, the last time that the country saw this much wealth concentrated in the hands of a small number of people was in the late 1920′s…right before the Great Depression. That by itself should be more than enough to give someone pause, despite the existence of mechanisms which are designed to prevent the market from experiencing another catastrophic collapse like that (even though that may, ironically, be one of the only ways to restore some economic balance in this country at this point). The claim that the bottom 80% have “gotten richer, too” is also deceptively simplistic since it conveniently overlooks the fact that the majority of Americans alive today are also carrying more debt than before — so much so that a few years ago, the personal savings rate became a negative number for the first time since 1933.

  • Anonymous

    Clinton simply demonstrated that we do have a revenue problem too. The temporary surplus his tax policies brought was good of course, but as we see was only temporary.

    Clinton’s decisions to pursue the “free trade” agenda and bank deregulation have left this nation with worse long-term woes as we see. Clinton’s temporary surplus is doing nothing for America today, but his bad decisions continue to kill off the middle class and contribute to the wealth disparity we see.

    We went from living wage manufacturing jobs to “hamburger manufacturers” for those who wish to point out the 22 million jobs he is said to have created. What is the median annual income today compared to the 1980′s? What % of workers have the guaranteed pensions that went to Mexico and Canada with those jobs?

    We can find good things that Reagan did, such as jailing about 1000 criminal bankers after the S&L scandal, but how did his larger decisions impact the middle class and continue to impact the middle class today?

    The same thing with every president since Reagan, with the exception of the previous administration, which I have difficulty finding one thing that they did that was good.

    We need to make economic desicions based on reality, not potential campaign contributions.

  • Anonymous

    That started in 2001 in my view.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct for the most part. Check out the documentary if you haven’t.

  • Anonymous

    One other thing I appreciated out of Clinton was not exploiting the Oklahoma bombing to create tyrannical legislation like The Patriot Act, FISA changes and the Military Commissions Act.

    I appreciate him approaching this as a crime and not a theoretical or ideological war.

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    I agree, he didn’t try and take away our freedoms, he simply found those responsible and held them accountable.

  • Anonymous

    I love intelligent debate. Keep it up guys.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to America, Run by the rich, FOR the rich.

    http://www.Privacy-Net.tk

  • Anonymous

    Bush can read?

    Maybe he should start comprehending what the New Testament says then.

    You left out two support groups regarding the Iraq invasion and probably his strongest supporters, the war profiteers and the fossil fuel industry.

    The religious evangelicals were simply along for the ride because the oil’s location also happens to fall in the region of the world where their religion is pertinent. This detail did not go unmentioned.

    Lincoln said that the Confederate states would be welcomed back into the union after the war. Based on the legislation that Bush signed, in addition to his authoritarian,torture and imprisonment fetish, I have to wonder how the Confederacy would have been treated had he been the President at the time.

    Would he have done to the Confederacy like he did Iraq? Giving billions to corporate cronies to invade the local economy and suck the life out of it to profiteer?

    Would he have indefinitely imprisoned Confederate citizens as “war combatants?”

    Would he have unleashed rich Union real estate magnates to confiscate Confederate land to redevelop it for the well-off, while leaving Confederate citizens to dig through the trash like in New Orleans?

    Would he have cut the taxes on those rich magnates exactly when America needed that revenue to rebuild?

    Would the Civil War have put a dent in his sleep or vacation schedule?

    Would Bush have actually been running the war or would he have turned it over to his Vice President so he could go to bed by 9 pm?

    Considering Bush’s stance on labor, would he have even been on the Union side?

    I pick up a guitar once in a while, but just because that guitar exists in my hands, doesn’t mean I can compare myself to Eddie Van Halen. Only when I demonstrate Eddie’s greatness can I then suggest I come close to his talent. I don’t have the same intentions as Eddie though, so I will never be able to, nor will I try.

  • Anonymous

    It is no secret that Republicans would love to have someone like Santorum as president. I just don’t think real America would.

  • Anonymous

    So the real MrDuckworth wouldn’t be typing this stuff?

  • Anonymous

    We need to recognize the reality of things and this is unfortunately one of them.

    I think there is no question as to which party insists on tax cuts for the richest among us and insists on subsidies to prop up industry that should have followed normal free enterprise outcomes when they exhausted their resources.

    This is why we need to elect those whose only priority is campaign finance and lobbyist reform. Greed is a temptation not limited to one party.

  • Anonymous

    OT:
    Breaking news in Tokyo. The closest thing to a Republican in Japan wins his fourth consecutive term as Tokyo Governor. Damn it.

  • http://justme223.myopenid.com/ JustMe223

    Income = $10.3 Billion
    Taxes paid = $0
    Effective tax rate = 0

    If the effective tax rate was 13.6%, like the “median family”, that would be an extra $1.4+ Billion in revenue for the government. Let’s have GE pay their share, too, along with any other companies or people who are loop-hole abusers.

    Then again, if we didn’t have to pay for all of those who don’t, it would be cheaper for all of us because first, they’d be paying their share, too; and second, the need for their entitlements would all but disappear.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    I would’t generalize so much. I gave you a like but here’s a little tid-bit: Progressives are the most likely to vote! That is why Becky rants to much about Progressives. We are not the ones that stay home, in most cases. Its those liberals and whiners that whine but don’t take action!

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    That is the point of my note above to J Horton! The last progressive president we had was a Republican, Teddy Roosevelt!

    There are no Progressives (Except Elizabeth Warren!) in the current administration!

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    G’Day, mate. Xi, Elizabeth Warren is the brighest and the best. Creative Sunday at my place today is a lovely piece. http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    98, some wealthy people have realized money can’t make you immortal. I’ll get the documentary. Thanks for the tip.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    No-No-No! Corporations are people too, doncha know? They have feelings too! They should be allowed to pay zero in taxes just like many of the wealthiest people do.

    We should be honored to give them land, use our highways, roadways, bridges, our public airwaves to advertise, pollute our water, air and planet so that they can amass massive profits to provide we, the consumer cattle, with their cheaply made products and high priced services.

    *snark*

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    I’m there, brother. GE go braugh…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    It’s a global disease.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    When I began teaching, I tried to reason with my students. They were seventh and eighth grade kids and “reason” is in short supply at that age. Many of the kids eventually grew out of that stage of development and became discerning adults capable of reflection. Others, regardless of age, did not. Collectively the latter are known today as “true believers”. The People of the Tea are Orwell’s sheep made manifest. (Note, they were made not born.) Alienation, a sense of powerlessness, and some Koch to suck on set the powder and a black man walking through the front door of the White House lit the fuse. Nothing to do now but wear them out. Tell the truth and spread the word. That would be a lot easier if Barack “The Less Than Bold” would grow a backbone. Here is my pledge. If you agree, pass it on to others.

    The Cletis Stump Pledge

    “I hereby pledge to inform others, even those I find difficult, regarding the duplicity and chicanery of the modern Republican party. I will provide examples supported by facts and easily referenced sources. I will do this through personal contact, letters to the editor of my local paper, distribution of informative flyers door to door, and any other method which fits my life’s circumstance. I will do this in an on-going manner and will not allow gross ignorance nor pervasive apathy, which I will surely encounter, to dissuade me.”

    http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    And don’t forget my blog… I have a couple of interesting pieces and one way out funny song. http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    M’rng Cletis! Reviewed OMBwatch’s (The Bush Legacy: Assault on Public Protection), then I read the Citizens United opinion again. Just getting ready for another Progressive Day!

    Hope the name doesn’t through people off. Although written in 2009, Bush Legacy describes the framework the nuts started using big time with Ronnie Reagan as their puppet!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I watched the documentary ‘Rich Media, Poor Democracy’ on LinkTV last night and as usual it is so typical of bills passed in congress and signed by presidents that promise to do one thing but end up doing the complete opposite.

    The bill I’m talking about is of course ‘The Telecommunications Act Of 1996′ This bill was to encourage competition and bring down costs of phone and cable services, but as we all know all it did was help the big companies to gobble up the competition, run them out of business and increase the price for their services, like phone and cable.

    If anyone has LinkTV they are having their pledge drive to raise money and are showing some very excellent documentaries this month including; ‘The Billionaires Tea Party’, ‘Orwell Rolls In His Grave’, ‘The Best Government That Money Can Buy?’, ‘Charles Ferguson On The Inside Job’, ‘The Warning’, ‘Robert Fisk – Lies and Misreporting in the Middle East’ and ’9/11 Press For Truth’

  • Anonymous

    TAX increases for the wealthy are what is needed to save the government. Nothing more. BUT Republicans would have us believe cutting the government which means putting people out of work and on to unemployment is better for the economy than not.  They gave is the lie of Trickle Down economics.  Now they give us the lie of budget cuts.

    The goals of the Republicans since 1980 have been to (1) increase the income of the über rich, (2) dismantle the federal government, (3) blur church state lines.

    (1) Republicans destroyed the economy by lax financial regulation coupled with tax cuts for the wealthy which forced great deficits upon the country. The proportion of income going to the upper 1%  in American income has increased from 10% to 25% since 1980.   Now they want to give that 5% of the populations which owns 85% of the country’s wealth even more money .

    (2) Reagan started the gutting of the federal rules protecting the workers, consumers, and the poor so gigantic corporations could continue to irresponsibly exploit those who have to work.  Incomes since then have stagnated and in some cases like those for auto workers have even gone backwards. The rich have had a free ride since Reagan when the highest tax rates were cut from 70% to 35%.  Now the country and the economy are in trouble. It is time to tax excessive wealth.  It is time the rich pay their fair share. 

    (3) The excessively wealthy religious whose wives carry Hermes handbags, drive Mercedes, and wear Rolex watches when people are unemployed, losing their houses, and cannot afford college or health insurance have been abetted by the Republicans who used religion and moral issues to convince people to vote against their own economic self interest.

    Please, tell your elected officials you not only oppose the extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich, but would like to see the top rate restored to the pre-Reagan level.

    I would be mortified to wear a $1000 pair of shoes when 1/4 of Arizona kids live in poverty. Tax the excess wealth of the über rich now.  America was never more prosperous than when taxes on the rich were at their highest and the wealthy paid their fair share.  Tax the rich, I say, and use the money to repair our infrastructure creating good jobs for good wages for good people while protecting those least fortunate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    No…and it is going to get worse I’m afraid.

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    People are literally dying and hungry because of Republican policies…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Agree!

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    “The Reagan crusaders turned this into what they called “economic” freedom, which translated into completely unrestricted markets and the low¬est possible taxes. Economic freedom was directly tied to personal freedom, and personal freedom was linked to “personal responsibility,” a theme echoed again in the 1994 Contract with America and one that remained a key mes¬sage in the George W. Bush administration. “Personal responsibility” was a eu¬phemism for ending governmental supports to people in need. It provided a justification for cutting school lunches for children from low-income families and wheelchair assistance programs for the poor, for example. It also provided the justification for shifting government responsibilities to the private sector and establishing an anti-regulatory atmosphere. For example, the Reagan ad¬ministration argued that seat belt and safety glass requirements for car manu¬facturers were unnecessary and overbearing government intrusions into the private sector.
    The Reagan Revolution had begun, and with it, a new era of deregulation.”

    http://www.ombwatch.org/bushlegacy

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    There is no such thing as a “free market”… It has foreign subsidies and slaves that have been created somewhere. This is just the Republicans bed-time story.

  • Austininc4

    The 1994 Contract with America , turned out to be ” the 1994 Contract ‘ON’ America”.
    The Mafia would be proud of GOP’s handy work.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Yesterday I posed that there should be a way to get more info into the analytical mind of our fellow humans! Take a look at some of OMB watch’s articles on non profits. (Not the Bristol Palin type of misuse!)

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Wit Vito Scalia leading the way, and his goon enforcer Thomas the “Tommy” next to him!

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    I’ll do just that, thanks.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Here’s a thought:

    First off I just had this very discussion with a US Treasury representative who works along with Fannie Mae in regards to HAMP.

    He said the very same thing you said. That banks lose with massive foreclosures as you stated, how do they make a profit.

    Now this is just a thought, but haven’t they already made millions if not billions in profits by bundling millions of bad mortgages and selling them to unsuspected customers/investors? Also can’t they also bet against these bad mortgages, I believe the term is naked credit default swap, to make even more profits.

    I disagree with the line that banks don’t make profits when millions of homes go into foreclosure. I watched the various congressional housing/mortgage/foreclosure hearings on CSPAN as I have a personal interest in this due to my mom’s situation and on many occasions a housing advocate has stated that the banks have found it more profitable to foreclose on homes than to modify the loans.

    Not once were these claims disputed by the bankers big wig witnesses at the hearings.

  • Austininc4

    And the Sam “the hammer” Alito

  • Anonymous

    It’s your own post that’s full of holes, beginning with the fact that you’re only looking at one economic indicator — and not a particularly reliable one at that. (The current jobless recovery is evidence of that.) Of course, you don’t bother to address the issues of job creation and unemployment, both of which were dramatically better under Clinton than his successor. And you’re simply wrong about the RPA and the changes in ERISA law; those changes helped spur new investment, which in turn helped fuel the market surge. The fact remains, however, that the bull market was NOT good for the economy in the long run; stocks were wildly overvalued, especially your precious dot.coms, and when the correction eventually came, middle and lower tier investors were crushed badly. But as far as I’m concerned, whatever Clinton did or didn’t do to promote a bull market has little bearing on his overall performance regarding the economy — and in case it’s escaped your attention, I’m no great fan of the Clintons.

    What you continue to overlook, however, is that the same corporations whom you claimed fueled the economic surge ultimately wound up taking it down — with a big assist from the Republicans, who abandoned any pretense of corporate oversight and irresponsibly slashed income tax rates even while they were ginning up military spending for two unnecessary and irresponsible wars. Even if I were to agree that Clinton’s surplus was attributable to nothing more than his own good fortune at being in the right place at the right time, at least he was a responsible economic steward, and didn’t squander it needlessly on irresponsible tax cuts for his political patrons and ill-advised military ventures. Whatever you think that Clinton did or didn’t do for the American economy, the bottom line is that Bush and the supply-siders made it infinitely worse. And THAT was my point.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    And all three of them Good Catholics!

    (disclaimer: I am not cutting down all Catholics! My significant other is a very devout Catholic. The difference is she practices rather than preaches. She is not a good Catholic in the eyes of the elite-fascists at the top!)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    The republicans other goal was/is to destroy liberalism and the progress movement which continues today. Why do you think they are attacking public unions, went after NPR, destroyed ACORN and fought hard for Tort Reform? Why do you think they are going after Planned Parenthood?

    It has nothing to do with election fraud or deficits or spending or cutting frivolous medical lawsuits and has everything to do with right wing ideology, to totally destroy any organization that helps people who tend to vote for democrats. Another prime example would be immigrants, illegal or legal.

  • Anonymous

    The Mafia is jealous of the GOP’s sociopathy.

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    The difference is that she believes in helping people, (rather than keeping them down), and the Religious Right has sold their souls to the corporations for profit.

  • Anonymous

    Wingnuttia has adopted the anti-American attitude that “sharing is socialism”, thus trying to erase all of modern history. The right is trying to bring back serfdom, royalty and slavery.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    The Mafia can’t hold a candle to the GOP or our corporate owned government for that matter.

  • Austininc4

    The three Supreme Court Justices are Catholic in name only. They used their religion to get where they are today.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Facts, I beg your pardon, suh. The Grand Old Party embodies Family Values: Gotti, Genovese, Bonanno…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Which ironically, by and large is also against what Jesus Christ taught. You don’t think there is something evil and sinister behind this do you?

    I mean Satan wouldn’t push an agenda posing as himself, he would do this using people who represent themselves as Christians. This after all is his domain.

  • Austininc4

    Their Family Values are better than the GOP’s Conservative Christian Family Values. And the Mob is at least honest in what they do.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Its all tied to the idea of personal responsibility for “every” aspect of our lives. Thus, now that Bristol Palin is getting wads of cash into her accounts she is a better person than any in that family struggling because the bread-earner lost his job and he won’t do anything, anything to put food on the table. It becomes an easy leap for blaming the victims!

  • Anonymous

    Alita, Scalia

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Ditto!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Think about it. It is written in the bible that Satan will come on the scene riding a white horse claiming to be Jesus Christ. Is it that much of a stretch that before this day comes, he would first influence the minds of those proclaiming to follow Christ and to be Christians to push an agenda that is the furthest thing from Jesus Christ and what he taught. The examples today are plentiful in my humble opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong again….

    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/

    Decent graph…doesn’t show the COL index/inflation vs. housing prices.

    This graph is housing prices vs. CPI…

    http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/10/19/rescuing-the-economy-or-the-bubble/

    Or try this one…another excellent graph disproving your political ideological defending of “all things liberal”…

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/6329/the-coming-collapse-in-housing

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    I wonder why some of the Mexican drug-cartel monied are courted by the evangelical right and they buy into the of Gospel of Prosperity. They have no family values but say they do. Look at the “biggun” in Colorado Springs.
    They have money and that is enough for the likes of Dr. Dobson!

  • Anonymous

    Forget to change socks, dipshit? Either way, you’re still Blumpkin Boy to me.

  • Anonymous

    All I know is there are fragile signs of recovery throughout the economy these days. There are more jobs openings, strip malls are adding new businesses, car dealerships are renovating, and people are buying not just window shopping.

    If the Republicans find a way to spoil all of this there is going to be hell to be paid in next year’s election.

    Who cares about social issues that don’t affect most people, wants any part of their hidden agendas to kill unions and weaken Medicare and SS, or their pompous, wealthy Republican candidates with their bogus claims about birth certificates and “greedy and evil” teachers and firefighters?

    The middle class again sees a chance at some kind future. The Republicans better not stop the recovery with their selfish demands and fear mongering. Let there be light not more doom and gloom.

  • Austininc4

    The Radical Religious Reich have for the most part taken over most of Central and South America, Mexico. They and the Drug Cartel know that is a safe way to launder money.

    I read an article once that in the 90′s, the number of people in Central and South America and Mexico were 85% Catholic.

    The Evangelical Church moved into that area during the Bush years, and in 2006 the numbers of Catholics were down to 15% in Central/South America, and Mexico.

  • Anonymous

    No way. Catholics, even fallen away ones like myself, don’t flip that easily to other religious institutions in those kind of numbers.

    We attend other churches but don’t entirely reject the teachings and tenets of our upbringing. Where did you get those numbers? You must have them confused with those who have stopped attending church regularly, not those who have converted to Evangelical churches.

    85% to 15%? Maybe among other Christian/Protestant denominations but not Catholics.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Social issues are red-herrings the evil ones use!

    “Gifford Pinchot was describing the goal of federal conservation programs,
    but the same standard – at once idealistic and pragmatic – underpins
    virtually all government regulations from the time Theodore Roosevelt became
    the first “reform” president of the modern era. Yet there is more involved
    than just government action – a great deal of effort and constant vigilance on
    the part of the media, watchdog organizations, and the public are required if
    government is to pursue the common good.” The Bush Legacy

    http://www.ombwatch.org/bushlegacy

    Do you think we have media on our side!

  • Anonymous

    i was listening to “here and now” on npr the other day, and jack beattie, one of their regular political analysts, had the balls to acknowledge on-air that republicans have a vested interest in “slowing down” the recovery, because a healthy economy will make it very difficult for them to defeat the president next year.

    no wonder they want to shut down npr. can’t have respected analysts discussing the truth on the public airwaves.

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Even non-practicing ones like me. I had no choice being baptised into the religion, I was carried, swathed tightly by my Godparents at age 3 months, and therefore had no opportunity to escape! The priest then did his thing. But I liked the social actions described in the bible about someone named Jesus, a community organizer if there ever was one. Even the Koran makes reference to him as does the Jewish teachings (albeit somewhat derogatorily!)

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    I just watched the TYT video at Motivated’s place. Apparently taxes contrasted with GDP are at the second lowest in history and 4 to 5 % lower than the 30 year average. They also lay into farm subsidies and those in Congress who accept them while railing against big government handouts. Click the 1040 video. I learned some things to bolster our cause. http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/

  • http://twitter.com/KyleVester Kyle Vester

    Besides that, we all know that corporations don’t pay taxes, they collect taxes from us.

    *snark*

    If I had a small business that had to pay income taxes, I’d be livid, absolutely livid, that large corporations are somehow able to profit (massively in some cases) and magically write all that off somehow to not get taxed. *notsnark*

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Yeah, Austin but can they take me to heaven like Pat Robertson can? Can I get an amen, my brother? Haaalllelllluuujjjjaaaah!!! Praise Jessssuuuusss!!!!! (aka Milton Friedman)

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    You need to see the video “Rat B*Stards http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/2011/04/rat-bastards-funny-musical-bipartisan.html It takes a humorous look at the way these guys wrap themselves in religion and politics.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    From Cenk Uygur:

    Progressives Must Stand up to the President

    These budget negotiations were a giant win for the Republican Party. President Obama initially cut $40 billion from his own budget proposal — and he got absolutely no credit for that. It was a very typical preemptive concession by the president. It was so typical, you wonder if he recognizes what an indisputably terrible strategy it is or if he has a different agenda.

    So, after getting no credit for his original $40 billion concession, then the negotiations began at square one. The Republicans claimed in February that they wanted $32 billion in cuts from that point on. About a week ago, the president came out an announced that they had given the Republicans another $33 billion in cuts — a billion more than they originally asked for. And still the Republicans wanted more.

    Why not? They’re dealing with the world’s worst negotiator, why not ask for more? After February they came up with a brilliant good cop-bad cop strategy with the Tea Party, where they had the Tea Party force them to go to $61 billion in demands. Which pushed the spectrum out further to the right. They know President Obama will go to the middle of any spectrum, no matter how radical. And then once they had baited Obama out to the $33 billion number, which was past their original goal, they baited him out even further. Finally, they got him to $38.5 billion in cuts an hour before the deadline.

    (Continued…)

  • Austininc4

    I’ll try to find that article, it’s been a while.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    So, in the end, he got no credit for the original giant cuts, he got no credit for going a billion past the Republican’s wildest dreams and he had to give them an extra $5.5 billion to get a deal. But what he doesn’t realize is that the shutdown would have been a disaster for the Republicans — they never wanted that. They were playing him the whole time. When Boehner came back with the deal, he got a rousing ovation from his side, including the Tea Party faction.

    It was a put on. The whole time when the Tea Party was demanding the whole $61 billion, they were just playing their part in the game. They were the bad cop to make sure Obama made the deal with Boehner, the good cop. They must had a good laugh at the end.

    First, I want to make clear I am not a Monday morning quarterback. Anyone who watches me on The Young Turks or on MSNBC knows that I have been saying all along that Obama was going to fall for this trick and that he was going to go way past $33 billion. It’s just who he is. He hates conflict. There almost isn’t any deal you can’t get him to sign off on. And that’s my whole point for writing this — we can not have him do this next time!

    (Continued…)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    Next time, the negotiations are over trillions, not billions. If he meets them more than halfway — as he has done every single time now — it will be a colossal disaster. Whenever Republican presidents try to cut Social Security or Medicare, they run into a brick wall. If the Republicans use President Obama to help them do that instead, then he will have done more damage than a Republican president can.

    I hear from Democrats every single time that they’ll fight the next time. And it’s never the next time. Well, this time we’ve hit the wall. The next negotiations will be inarguably the most important. If the president obamas this (yes, I used it as a verb), it will be catastrophic.

    Now, I want to ask even the most ardent Obama supporters — do you really believe the president is going to hold strong the next time around? Even you don’t believe that, right? It’s not who he is. He will look to get past partisan politics. What’s the only way to do that when one side is being obstinate? To give in to them. How many times have we seen this movie?

    (Continued…)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    I didn’t write this to rub it in the face of the feckless Democrats who always wind up playing the role of the Washington Generals to the Republican Globetrotters (remember the Democrats have the White House and the Senate — but they let the GOP run the place like they are totally in charge). I wrote it to tell you how incredibly important it is that you put real pressure on the president from the left. He will move to the middle of any spectrum!

    If you don’t help push the spectrum to the left, the Republicans will move it massively to the right — and the president will fall for it.

    The whole point of the insane, draconian, ridiculous Paul Ryan budget proposal for next year was to move the spectrum all the way to the radical right, so that they can lure Democrats to a false middle, that is in reality the far right.

    (Continued…)

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    I just got this email from someone who doesn’t know my political leanings… Hysterical:

    GUESS WHAT!

    Have you seen and smiled at the Progressive Insurance TV commercials?

    Well, we all need to know the rest of the story — read on…
    PROGRESSIVE AUTO INSURANCE

    You know their TV commercials… they’re the ones featuring Flo, the perky actress all dressed in white.

    What you might not know is that the Chairman of Progressive is Peter Lewis, one of the major funders of leftist causes in America .
    Between 2001 and 2003, Lewis funneled $15 million to the ACLU, the group most responsible for destroying what’s left of America ‘s Judeo-Christian heritage.

    Lewis also gave $12.5 million to MoveOn.org and American Coming Together, two key propaganda arms of the socialist left.

    His funding for these groups was conditional on matching contributions from George Soros,the America-hating socialist who is the chief financier of the Obama political machine.

    Lewis made a fortune as a result of capitalism, but now finances a progressive movement that threatens to destroy the American free enterprise system that is targeting television shows on Fox News.

    Peter Lewis is making a fortune off of conservative Americans (who buy his auto insurance) so that he can help dismantle the very system that made him wealthy. He’s banking on no one finding out who he is.

    So… you may want to consider not buying Progressive Insurance and pass this information on to any who might be considering such a purchase.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/InsidiousProphet#p/u/1/I1bVtITCHCw InsidiousProphet

    It’s time to stop playing nice with Democrats. Good cop-good cop doesn’t work. We need a bad cop. We need a strong progressive wing to keep shouting “no deal!” every time the White House wants to concede (which will be every time).

    You can ignore this, blame me and go hug the president one more time, but you won’t be doing your side any favors. If you actually care about policy and progressive priorities, you must get tough with the president right now. There is no next time

  • Anonymous

    Oh, doG…
    ROTFLOL.

  • Anonymous

    Spit, what the Republithugs are doing is really very simple. Obstruct anything and everything that smacks of economic recovery. Then, ramp up to a fever pitch how bad things are — when things have gone south, as they inevitably will — and Republithugs will relentlessly preach daily “See, we told you! Obama tanked the economy again! Elect us, and ye shall be led into the promised land!”

  • Anonymous

    I so affirm!

  • Austininc4

    I couldn’t find the exact article, but I found several other Articles to debunk those numbers. As I recall I read the article in 2007, it’s been a while. Thanks for that information.

  • Anonymous

    While Obama may have “conceded” a few billion dollars in tax cuts, it’s too little too late. Why would he push in his budget, new record deficits if he was interested in less spending? He has lost the debate…but now is trying to limit damage by having Plouffe paraded about talking now about entitlement cuts. LMAO! The damage control is simply not working. He would not have even mentioned it, until Ryan stole the debate headlines with the release of his budget proposals.

    Obama is good at delivering a telepromptered speech…nothing else….unless spending taxpayer money on numerous and expensive vacations is considered Presidential.

    An empty suit…just like I predicted…just like I stated…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Austininc4

    LOL!!!! The Evangelicals push a form of Christianity, that conflicts with the Bible they are trying to rewrite.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Insidious: Cynk Uygur’s post is the Gospel truth. I had a bit of a debate with Pick 6 over my less than blind allegiance to the President last night. (up thread a bit) Pick and I essentially share the same views but I’m not a team player when the team’s captain is conceding the playing field a yard at a time. Leaders must be decisive and do and say the right things regardless. Darn, there’s that old probability wave again.

  • http://whatwouldjackdo.net Jack Cluth

    What…and I suppose you think it’s easy being rich? ;-)

  • Anonymous

    Precisely. I keep thinking about a friend of mine, an African-American suit-wearing, briefcase-carrying executive, who was once told by a NYC cabbie, “This is a bad neighborhood, you know. I only picked you up because you looked safe.” My friend told the cabbie that he was wasn’t thinking straight. “If I wanted to rob you, I wouldn’t dress like a hood. I’d wear a suit and carry a briefcase.”

    These corporate wolves wrapped up in Christian sheepskin are precisely the false prophets Jesus warned about. Know them by their fruits!

  • Austininc4

    I agree 100%, trying to be nice to people who would cut your throat is not a good Political Strategy.

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    Absolutely, Feed the Hungry, not on the Religious Right. They have taken a religion of service to the poor and turned in into Ayn Rand…

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    Just like you predicted Nostradamus. What else are we to gain from your god-given presence here, Oh Great One? You are everywhere, thank you, thank you!

  • Anonymous

    I should have guessed that cletis was a teacher. I’ve known many like cletis…think they know it all, but don’t have a clue. The saying is true: Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach.

    The center of the political spectrum in this country is being dragged back towards the right, with a force that measures 8.5 on the Richter scale…with people like Cletis screaming bloody murder and blaming EVERYONE but themselves and the dear ideologies they hold so close.

    The REAL battle has yet to begin…and Nov 2010 was just the first step.

  • http://twitter.com/KyleAAA KyleAAA

    It’s not deceptive at all since “richer” is based on household net worth, which includes debt.

    I agree with you that increasing concentration of wealth is probably bad for the country, but that’s far from a foregone conclusion. And it is entirely possible that another Great Depression could happen. There’s really nothing the government can do to prevent something like that because no precaution is fool-proof. However, the anti-rich/anti-corporation tirades that are a regular fixture around here are stupid and unproductive. Rather than blame all our problems on somebody else, we would be wise to try to work together to come up with solutions. Demonizing the rich and powerful is counterproductive because guess what: if you make them out to be evil, you put them on the defensive. Would you cooperate with somebody who didn’t know you and had never even met you called you evil and/or greedy? I sure as hell wouldn’t. And America will never be prosperous without the cooperation of the wealthy and the corporate sector. The heated rhetoric is very, very bad for America and Americans.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that in your mouth…a Koch?

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    I’d be more inclined to boycot corporations that dodged their taxes than those who are just practicing free speech as “American citizens”.

  • Anonymous

    We KNOW what’s in yours…a big Soros.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    A twelve inch…er, excuse me, a 12 ounce Koch.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Flagged and Forgotten

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    G’Day, Miss Krissy.

  • Austininc4

    They are one in the same. When they practice their free speech, they are buying elections and politicians.

  • Anonymous

    A 7th and 8th grade teacher, Cletis?

    ROFLMAO!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Good morning dear

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    FLAGGED AND FORGOTTEN

  • http://twitter.com/xicano2nd2 xicano2nd

    The one with the little mind thinks he knows how progressives think but he doesn’t. That’s the definition of the lowest level of intelligence!

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    The TYT video at Motivated’s blog about government subsidies reminded me of a post we did on our state rep who hates big government socialism but loves farm subsidies. I was surprised to find that he wasn’t very appreciative of the truth. http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/2010/12/there-are-none-so-blind-as-he-who-will.html

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Paying taxes and donating money to various organizations are two very different things.

  • Anonymous

    That’s right, and we’re going to destroy the ENEMY of America: the wingnut fools that will give their country to a few rich sociopaths.

  • Anonymous

    Ooooh, wow, the Soros bogeyman.

    maypole is such a pansy-a**ed loser.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, which you clearly never got to!

    ROFLMAO!

    BHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Any stupider, and he’d be a pebble.

  • Anonymous

    Used to be. Not so much any more, since fascism was introduced by the mentally deficient Reagan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I would agree the heated rhetoric isn’t good for Corporate America just as it wasn’t good in the 1930′s and 1940′s. That is when we placed limits on Corporations and Monopolies, which from that day till now corporate power has been dismantling step by step through bribery and out and out fraud. The time is coming when Glass-Stegall and other limitations on oligarchical systems will be and should be activated again to that Corporations are controlled again.

    America is not what it was. It’s political system is horribly corrupted by the flow of money. Rich companies and individuals impose their views simply by dint of their ability to spend. The rest of us, those who object, are muted by the flow of cash that drowns out dissent. Supreme Court justices cavort in private jets and take cash sums for speaking to lobbyist groups. They then ask us to believe they are impartial. Politicians view fund raising as their primary task.

    They then ask us to believe they are impartial when they vote. Professors write papers supporting the objectives of their sponsors, and then see no conflict of interest. Business leaders pay themselves whether their companies succeed or fail. Boards of directors stand idly by as CEO’s leave with millions – hundreds of millions – even though they are unmitigated failures. Managers stay put even though they are manifestly incompetent. The concept of shareholder control is laughed at: the SEC actively prevents shareholder democracy. It might destabilize the system. So no one owns big business. There is no control. The system just is. It is a mockery of capitalism. It is a mockery of democracy. But especially of American democracy. All the while they preach that this is the land of opportunity. Well I guess it is if you’re the CEO of a major financial “ponzi” company, or one of the many in government who support and protect them at the expense of the American people

  • Austininc4

    The same companies who are not paying taxes, are spending Millions in Political campaigns to buy elections. They are one in the same.

  • Anonymous

    Only if it meant turning the ballpark back to Jacobs Field.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the rich on the right are our domestic enemies, and need to be stopped, lest we end up a banana republic, as they are planning. their useful idiots like maypole are inconsequential.

  • Anonymous

    Mayfly was calling me “anti-intellectual” the other day and here he is again, displaying his contempt for the very people that have the daily responsibility for our children. Such a disgusting individual you are, fakie.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I get that totally facts, it seems to me however that the rich on the right and the Corporations are one and the same. As Boner said the other night in regards to the tpartiers, “no light between”. The Kochs are both Corporate and right wing enemies.

  • Anonymous

    Better than a fake doctor, though. What is wrong with teaching 7th grade, fakie?

  • Austininc4

    That is their agenda to turn America into a banana republic. It’s called the Zero Agenda: Zero Tax Rates for the Wealthy and Corporations. Zero benefits and Health Care, and Near Zero Wage scale for American Workers.

  • Anonymous

    Read Cletis’ post above. Let me paraphrase…”those that actually believed my liberal cra p, turned out to be fine, those that didn’t became members of the tea Party”.

    Indoctrination of our youth has been occuring for decades, by those that, as a whole, couldn’t “cut it” in the grand scheme of things. My eldest son learned early on to give the teachers what they wanted to read in essay tests, even though it ran contrary to common sense and historical facts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    What’s amazing is they seem oblivious to the fact that once they destroy the country their won’t be anyone left to buy all the junk they sell us. They were just a oblivious before 1929 and the destroyed the market. Thought they had plenty of money and didn’t need people to buy their goods. When the market crashed it took all of them (as well as our grandparents) with them. We are headed back in that direction now.

  • Anonymous

    Imagine what type of swine hates on teachers. Here’s a definition for you, mayflower: those can neither teach nor do end up as conservative tools of the oligarchs. posting for nickels.

    That’s you, stupid.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    FLAGGED AND FORGOTTEN

  • Austininc4

    He gets lonely stuck in the basement all day with nothing but his computer and a bowl of split pea soup.

  • Anonymous

    Indoctrination has been a rightwing agenda. Your eldest son is an idiot. You are a liar.

    We understand your pain and frustration with being on the very lowest end of the intelligence scale, but we don’t excuse it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I think it’s also sad about the chains on its legs that his parents put on it to keep it in the basement

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t cut it, huh? You really are a pile of cliches, fakie. No wonder you’re so bitter and angry that you have to fake your own credentials and praise yourself for your giant brain. No one else will.

  • Anonymous

    For their own protection. Such a sociopath certainly has the potential to harm others.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Absolutely, I applaud its parents for protecting society as a whole from it.

  • Austininc4

    If you put 1911 and 2011 beside each other, they would be the same with the thinking of the Corporations. They are blinded by Greed, and with tunnel vision on their bottom line. The Citizens United Ruling was about more than elections.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, he has exposed your nonsensical gibberish nonstop.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    Part of the agenda to turn over all power to the Corporatists. What is truly remarkable is the constant barrage from the right about how once we do this we will have a great life. Lots of jobs, high paying, with great security and benefits, all part of a wondrous democracy. Anyone want to share the last corporate structure that was democratic. My guess is no one will come up with that one because Corporations are by definition and structure Oligarchical.

  • Anonymous

    Fascism is not a good system for evolved humans. It is a good system for sociopathic, insecure, stupid little men with no self-esteem or compassion. The Un-Evolved. mayhew is one of their unblinking, unthinking tools, stupid enough to not even know that if they win, he and his “kids” lose.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORQ7S6ER7ACHDOUPSNVGX3SIMI Krissy

    I suspect butternut will be along shortly.

  • http://motivatedinohio.blogspot.com/ MotivatedinOhio

    I am a progressive, I support any company that supports progressive causes. I just thought it was funny, because someone apparently, didn’t know my political stance.

  • Austininc4

    True, but his neighborhood might feel safer knowing it makes it harder for him to break out.

  • Anonymous

    From Cletis’ now infamous post:

    “When I began teaching, I tried to reason with my students. They were seventh and eighth grade kids and “reason” is in short supply at that age. Many of the kids eventually grew out of that stage of development and became discerning adults capable of reflection. Others, regardless of age, did not. Collectively the latter are known today as “true believers”. The People of the Tea are Orwell’s sheep made manifest. (Note, they were made not born.) Alienation, a sense of powerlessness, and some Koch to suck on set the powder and a black man walking through the front door of the White House lit the fuse.”

    LOL! Now THAT post has a little of everything Progressive. Condescention, racism, admissions of indoctrination and sweeping generalizations.

    Perhaps those students in his classes that he felt did not display “reason” were, in fact, just sick of the liberal pablum puke he spewed day in and day out. Perhaps they hadn’t learned to just give the teacher what he/she wants to get the grade and dismiss the diatribe afterwards as the rants from a frustrated liberal whom spews his/her own spin on history.

    Yet Cletis has the unmitigated gall to write FOR THE WORLD TO SEE how he pigeon-holed students early in their developmental stages based on their acceptance of his “reason”.

    I pick my teeth with middle school teachers…and I do it…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Austininc4

    Has he gone to change into another sock?

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    So using your logic, if I donate money to a political party I owe no taxes? Since you are claiming it is the same thing?

    Progressive insurance paid taxes last year no? Which is why I stated I would be more inclined to boycot a company that did not pay taxes… such as G.E. maybe?

    Companies avoiding their taxes is a completely different issue from companies interfering with politics, even though one can influence the other.

  • Anonymous

    Just wait. . . . before the end of the year, repubs will have their $100 billion in cuts to services for American middle class and poor. This was a test and Obama blinked. What is amazing is that no one has whispered that reducing military spending on our “wars” would give the repubs all the money they want and keep the American economy moving forward. This is all intended to kill employment, drive Americans out of their homes and increase the “hurt” on Americans before the 2012 elections. Repubs will delight in claiming it is Obama’s fault . . . and ignore the bush era mess.

  • Anonymous

    Consider this post archived for future “reference”.

    Yeee-Haaaw!

  • Anonymous

    You pick your a** for your facts. The tea party is the direct result of rightwing destruction of the education system. Cletis is, of course, correct. You are, of course, continuing to lie and fantasize, since the facts never support you.

    Middle school teachers are great Americans, unlike you, who simply did so poorly in school because of your poor upbringing, lack of imagination and evolutionary shortfall. Cletis points out your racism, your stupidity, and y8our willingness to destroy your own country is a matter-of-fact way, and succeeds in gutting you completely.

    The fact that your tag line has to be plagiarized from an insurance commercial says a lot about your lack of intelligence, education, taste and imagination.

  • Anonymous

    Companies voiding their taxes do so by buying legislators, generally GOPigs. make no mistake.

  • Anonymous

    Is that all you have? it must be, since you have no facts of any kind. In fact, that post will be the onkly factual material you have.

    Good luck with that.

    Interesting that nobody has to archive any of your posts to know that you are a stupid, anti_American loser and a world-class liar.

  • Anonymous

    It takes him time to look up the answers.

  • Anonymous

    Peas in a pod. I just want to note that “buy elections” doesn’t just mean huge corporate contributions, but beyond that to rigging actual elections, q.v. Prosser v. Kloppenberg, OH. There can be good contributions, there is never a rigged election that’s been good.

  • Austininc4

    Yeah, he’s slow. In more ways than one.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah…I can understand your confusion when comparing the “accomplishments” of a middle school teacher, against one whom achieved a doctorate.

    I can appreciate your continued defense of a defenseless political position as expressed in Cleti’s post, as he was attempting to indoctrinate VERY impressionable 7th/8th grade students, because to do anything else might be viewed as unProgressive.

    You’re nothing but a tool, and I’m the master mechanic, wrenching you liberals every time I’m here…and I do it…

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Anonymous

    Conservative. Slow is a requirement, along with cowardly, treasonous, selfish and weak.

  • Anonymous

    Any a**hole can buy a doctorate, as you have “proven”, even though you can’t be trusted to tell the truth. You can call education indoctrination all you want, coming from a wannabe Nazi, it’s just a sick joke. As usual, you have everything backwards, you are the tool, and a completely ineffective one, from all the evidence. You have succeeded in strengthening our position, and proving that your ideas are anathema in a free country. If you were an effective tool, somebody, somewhere, would believe you. But since you’re on a progressive blog, you won’t find anybody that brainwashed or stupid, unless pablum shows up to suck your anus.

    Smackdown!

  • Anonymous

    Are we certain maydup is male? I mean, did it ever say? Not that I’d trust even that fact coming from it, but I’m not so sure. Getting a definite female vibe there sometimes. Something in the sentence structure, I think…

  • Anonymous

    Squash it!

  • Anonymous

    More of an “it”, from the evidence.

    But we thank mayflower for 9/11, and the Bush Depression. Without useful idiots like it, this would be a free and fair country, as it was before the mentally-challenged elected the even more mentally-challenged Reagan to screw everything up.

  • Austininc4

    YOU are not a Corporation, however the Citizens United Ruling made Corporations to a person in election contributions.

    I see what you are saying, I don’t think you see my point. Corporations are influencing elections for the sole purpose of bring their tax rate to near zero. Not to mention they want to take away workers rights and wages.

  • Anonymous

    Newsflash. Logic, it’s a science. It can be taught. But then, I’m guessing it wasn’t one of your electives.

  • Anonymous

    True enough. It ceartinly isn’t because their officers are suffering.

  • Anonymous

    His doctorate is in Stupid, and he excels.

  • Anonymous

    Cletis displays condescension? That’s coming from you? The same individual who demonstrated massive condescension to all the people doing the hard work of teaching?

    And sweeping generalizations? You really are completely blind to irony, aren’t you?

    Everything you wrote about Cletis is just a classic demonstration of projection.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe that’s what his “doctorate” is in. Logic certainly never entered his poor little empty head.

  • Anonymous

    mayham has been soundly defeated on his every visit. what a desperate, silly little tool.

  • Austininc4

    He’s working on his Fellowship in Stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Re-read Cleti’s post…it appears, from HIS OWN words, that he was “teaching” the kids what to think, not how. If they didn’t adhere to his “reason”, he dismissed them as unreasonable, and then went so far as labeling them Orwellian sheep…and future members of “The Party of Tea”.

    Game, set, match.

    Nationwide, worldwide and in your face.

  • Anonymous

    ROFL!

  • Austininc4

    And Lying

  • Anonymous

    The above spoken by the singularly most unimpressive empty-headed and gas-brained lying hunk of dogbone-as-faux-tool that’s ever visited TP’s shores.

    Just trying to get my epithet for lying-zipperhead-cruds-who-sometimes can’t-remember-which-name-they-logged-in-under worked out. Thanks for all the help.

    I trust now you’ll make yourself look even more foolish — again — and repost my post from months ago? You know, the one that’s so far beyond your understanding that the only “word” in it you understand is “CA”?

    What a pitiful dunce you are, fakedrKramotommayhem2etaltheotherstupidmonikersyouvetriedhere
    includingherrphuckbutter.

    Thanks for the laugh!

  • Austininc4

    I agree. there are good contributions. The bad ones are ruining the the Country with their agenda.

  • Anonymous

    Liberal indoctrination in our public schools is nothing new…it’s been going on, like I wrote, for decades.

    http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/09/liberal-indoctrination-in-public.html

    And concommitantly, so has liberal denial been pushed forward, attempting to dismiss such activities. Sorry….that dog just don’t hunt.

    Please post the next progressive dictum you’d like me to expose.

  • Anonymous

    maybe2 -

    When you look in the mirror in the morning do you see a pair of cheeks and a brown hole?

    Because that is what everyone else sees.

  • Anonymous

    And as more and more teachers receive their pink slips out here in California, your ideologies will become further exposed as being: wrong for this State, wrong for the students, wrong for this country and our once great republic.

    Your ignorance is on FULL display in that one, single post…archived for future reference to refresh your memory about how deluded you are. Hope it helps.

  • Austininc4

    I’m looking forward to the Republicans in office getting their pink slips.

  • Anonymous

    And concommitantly, so has liberal denial been pushed forward, attempting to dismiss such activities. Sorry….that dog just don’t hunt.

    Not only irony-deprived but completely lacking reading comprehension. You’re a pitiful case, fakie.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    I agree, my statement was more a response to the e-mail, and slightly sarcastic.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    It’s less about party, and more about moral fiber. This “fascism” has been around much longer than Reagan.

  • Anonymous

    Good. Now I’m glad I got Progressive auto insurance.

  • Anonymous

    Hi, DuckButter

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    You see my point, but still have to make assumptions on my understanding of other matters.

    Just like you take it that I’ve never heard of Citizens United, even though I made a clear reference to it in my original post.

    I guess maybe you just prefer to browbeat anyone that you don’t recognize?

  • Anonymous

    For the sake of argument, I will concede that you are an expert at sucking, presidential and otherwise.

    You forgot a few things.

    First, Reagan was able to reduce the unemployment rate from 10.8% in December 1982 to 7.4% in October, 1984. Unemployment was at 7.5% in January, 1981. Unemployment was 5.4% when he left office. A dream that will elude Obama going into 2012.

    Second, he helped bring down the USSR.

    Third, just based on his election as President, Iran released our hostages, something that Jimmy “What do I do now?” Carter couldn’t do.

    Yes, we fought covert wars in Latin America and the Middle East. So did Kennedy and Johnson in SW Asia.

    Yes, we left Beirut after 283 Marines were killed by Iranian sponsored terrorists. The Marines were they as peacekeepers.

    Yes, we sold weapons to Iraq in the 1980′s in their war against Iran. We also sold weapons to Iran in the 1970′s. Yes, we tried to get our hostages released by trading for them with weapons. That was a bad idea.

    How did Obama not break the constitution by initiating a war with Libya? I guess having UN approval is more important that the consent of Congress.

    All in all, Reagan was one of the best Presidents we ever had!

  • Anonymous

    Well said!

  • Anonymous

    Actually, it sounds like “holding his own” is about all he is doing!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe, but I think his battery is dead!

  • http://webhostingreview.info/cpanel-hosting/ smithon

    i have question to obama what about jobs plan he said would create lot jobs

  • Anonymous

    One of the reasons tax rates have fallen for higher income taxpayers is that all of the tax deductions that they once had have been removed. That was part of the Reagan tax reform of the late 1980s, which the Democrats agreed to. Of course, no sooner was the ink dry on that than the Democrats immediately broke the faith and started trying to raise tax rates.

    The actual percentage of taxes paid by top earners has increased dramatically over the past 30 years. For example, in 1980 the top one percent of earners paid 19 percent of all income taxes. By 2007 that share had increased to 40 percent. The top 25 percent of earners pay about 87 percent of income taxes. So the remaining 75 percent of society pays little or no taxes at all.

    If you want to raise the rates on the wealthy, then be sure to restore all the tax breaks and tax shelters that they used to be able to take advantage of so you will truly restore things to the “good ole days.”

  • Anonymous

    Apples & Oranges. The chart shows tax vs income; the comment speaks of share of overall tax burden. Given that from the ’90′s on, many studies show that income growth was in the top tier while those in the middle and lower tiers saw decline in income in real numbers, one should only expect the top to see an overall larger proportion of the tax burden. If you’re taking home the whole herd, you should share more bacon. In the end, the wars are protecting your property a whole lot more than the liberties of the rest.

  • http://www.yuregininsesi.com yuregininsesi

    Prosser spent twice as much as the Democrat, silly boy. And she came back to gobble up what had been a 20+ point lead in the primaries.

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