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Top Climate Scientist On The Monster Tornadoes: ‘It Is Irresponsible Not To Mention Climate Change’

BERJAYAThroughout human history, the climate system has been a source of life and death, the sun and rain capable of feeding our crops and bringing us comfort, or unleashing terrible devastation in wind, fire, drought, storm, and flood. Each tragedy that occurs — such as the terrible outbreak of tornadoes and flooding storms this week in the South — reminds us of that awesome power, which is beyond our control and at the limits of our comprehension. We have also learned that humanity is meddling with that power, primarily through the burning of coal and oil that increases the amount of heat trapped in the atmosphere and oceans. Scientists have been warning our leaders for decades that this interference with the climate system is dangerous, and have worked tirelessly to explain how these threats are now coming to pass.

However, the Republican Party is now dominated by ideologues who deny the threat of polluting our climate, even when faced with direct evidence of what the climate system can do to the people they are sworn to protect.

Conservatives attack any discussion of climate policy within the context of the killer tornadoes as “grotesque,” saying that to do so is blaming the victims.

In an email interview with ThinkProgress, Dr. Kevin Trenberth, one of the world’s top climate scientists, who has been exploring for years how greenhouse pollution influences extreme weather, said he believes that it is “irresponsible not to mention climate change” in the context of these extreme tornadoes. Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, added that the scientific understanding of how polluting our atmosphere with billions of tons of greenhouse gases affects tornadic activity is still ongoing:

It is irresponsible not to mention climate change.The environment in which all of these storms and the tornadoes are occurring has changed from human influences (global warming). Tornadoes come from thunderstorms in a wind shear environment. This occurs east of the Rockies more than anywhere else in the world. The wind shear is from southerly (SE, S or SW) flow from the Gulf overlaid by westerlies aloft that have come over the Rockies. That wind shear can be converted to rotation. The basic driver of thunderstorms is the instability in the atmosphere: warm moist air at low levels with drier air aloft. With global warming the low level air is warm and moister and there is more energy available to fuel all of these storms and increase the buoyancy of the air so that thunderstorms are strong. There is no clear research on changes in shear related to global warming. On average the low level air is 1 deg F and 4 percent moister than in the 1970s.

Climate scientist Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, explains further that “climate change is present in every single meteorological event”:

The fact remains that there is 4 percent more water vapor–and associated additional moist energy–available both to power individual storms and to produce intense rainfall from them. Climate change is present in every single meteorological event, in that these events are occurring within a baseline atmospheric environment that has shifted in favor of more intense weather events.

Climate scientist Gavin Schmidt, climate modeller at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, concurred:

It is a truism to say that everything has been affected by climate change so far and therefore this latest outbreak must in some sense have been affected, but attribution is hard and the further down the chain the causality is supposed to go, the harder this is. For heat waves it is easier, for statistics on precipitation intensity it easier – there are multiple levels of good modelling, theory and observations to back it up. But we have much less to go on with tornadoes.

Those who deny the threat of polluting our climate system are not to blame for its fury — but none of us can shirk our responsibility to end our interference with the weather.

To find out if loved ones are okay, use safeandwell.org. Text REDCROSS to 90999 to donate $10 to relief efforts.


  • Anonymous

    Heard mention this AM that more than a few scientists were pointing at a stronger than normal La Nina, and that may well be connected to global climate extremism.

  • Pilotshark

    Top Climate Scientist On The Monster Tornadoes: ‘It Is Irresponsible Not To Mention Climate Change’

    Irresponsible is exactly what the republiecants are 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    NASA’s Climate Change site:

    http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

  • Frozen Softserve

    My local Republican politician says this isn’t happening and that’s enough for me!

  • Anonymous

    The Category 5 hurricanes are now occurring over land.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t listen to him, teabaggers! He’s just in on the conspiracy. In fact, I just heard from Glenn Beck that they faked the tornadoes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitch-Beales/100000729064499 Mitch Beales

    Was he standing on the beach in water up to his knees?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not climate change it’s God punishing the Christian Right for taken his name in vain.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe humans are responsible for harmful climate change and you’re not profiting from it like those who say it is, then you’re a dope and a “useful dupe”.

  • Anonymous

    I saw that as well. It would appear that La Nina has the added effect of enhancing the extremes we are now seeing in the weather. Not just the Tornado outbreaks but the flooding rains as well in the Cornbelt.

  • Anonymous

    He’s a “Top Climate Scientist” because TP says he is.

  • Anonymous

    The Koch Brothers have been so busy of late funding the Walkers and Ryans of the party that they haven’t had much spare cash left to push their usual global warming denial argument.

    What with defending offshore drilling, Medicare vouchers, and the patriotism of second class citizenry for the middle class, what is a billionaire to do these days? I guess they both can’t run for president like Trump?

  • Anonymous

    And TP says it is so that’s also enough for you.

  • Anonymous

    No doubt because of Category 5 climate change caused by Category 5 human beings.

    That makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes. Compassionate Conservatism at its finest.

  • Anonymous

    No. He’s just an opinion. And he’s not explaining how it’s linked to human beings.

    As usual with these nuts. And you nuts.

  • Pilotshark

    LOL i see that BME must have got tied getting it a@@ handed to him so now comes the cult troll sock PS

  • Anonymous

    Climate change and climate change caused by human beings are two different concepts.

  • Anonymous

    And your point is??

  • Anonymous

    The barking of neighbors’ dog last night might well be related to climate change. So let’s shut down industry, oil and jobs on the chance it is.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not compassionate to save jobs? Drinking this early?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LHMWVSEDWD77WJVS5T4MRIAD5Q Michael M

    let me say…If you really believe that all of the cars, coal plants and other pollutants we are dumping into the air has no effect on our planet and the climate you are one dumb individual.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LHMWVSEDWD77WJVS5T4MRIAD5Q Michael M

    Not if it means we all die stupid.

  • Anonymous

    Okay. I will.

    After all, if people here can believe Obama is transparent and didn’t really adopt all of Bush’s war policies or extend the main parts of the Patriot Act and isn’t killing millions of jobs and sending the economy over a cliff…

  • http://alpuz3.myopenid.com/ alpuz3

    You don’t have to say it… Pablo’s doing one heck of a job all on its own.

  • Anonymous

    Not at the expense of people’s lives

  • Anonymous

    actually he’s talking to himself as they are ONE

  • Anonymous

    I would think that after the week we’ve had weather wise that at least a shred of doubt would begin to creep into the minds of those who would deny the potential like between our actions and the extremes that now seem to be a regualr part of our weather patterns.
    I fear I would be wrong.

  • Anonymous

    And willing to invest trillions into unproven technology while throwing millions out of work and killing the economy to do it.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t think you can explain human compassion or collective good to a conservative. they speak a different language.

  • Anonymous

    good analogy.

    no, really. very good.

  • Pilotshark

    sadly most all of us will die with the knowledge that the STUPID deniers help cause it.

    because they could not get there heads out of there 4th point of contact.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LHMWVSEDWD77WJVS5T4MRIAD5Q Michael M

    True…very true!

  • Anonymous

    and again

  • Anonymous

    You probably have more proof than the scientists have shown so far.

  • Pilotshark

    while throwing millions out of work and killing the economy to do it.

    LOL wow no proof.

    cult trolls are sure spinning are they not.

    just F&F

  • Anonymous

    you know, making really stupid and absurd arguments in cartoonish imitation of your stereotype of climate scientists doesn’t really make a very strong argument for your position.

    it pretty much just makes you look stupid.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LHMWVSEDWD77WJVS5T4MRIAD5Q Michael M

    Your party is directly responsible for the loss of over 20 millions jobs since ole Ronnie the republican saint was president and now all of a sudden you care!
    Every time one of you makes a comment you prove your stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a good little ‘bagger. Don’t listen to those nasty old scientists. Just keep trusting Glenn Beck and those voices in your head.

  • Anonymous

    good luck finding one, bob.

  • Anonymous

    Bad weather? Must be “human-caused climate change”. If you think otherwise, we will reject your views because we are progressive non-scientists and Al Gore needs to make his profits.

  • Anonymous

    I’m waiting for BME to begin to post on this site so I can agree and you’ll like me.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Bah what does NASA know? You act like they are rocket scientists or something… pshhh!

  • Mathazar

    In Australia we’re attempting to pass a carbon tax. This tax would affect about a dozen industries. Mainly the steel, aluminum, mining, and cement manufacturers.
    The taxes collected would be used to reduce taxes on consumers.

  • Anonymous

    I smell progressive anti-God bigotry.

  • Anonymous

    excellent argument, very rigorous.

    no, really. it is.

  • http://alpuz3.myopenid.com/ alpuz3

    “Kevin E. Trenberth is head of the Climate Analysis Section at the USA National Center for Atmospheric Research.[2] He was a lead author of the 2001 and 2007 IPCC Scientific Assessment of Climate Change (see IPCC Fourth Assessment Report) and serves on the Scientific Steering Group for the Climate Variability and Predictability (CLIVAR) program. In addition, he serves on the Joint Scientific Committee of the World Climate Research Programme, and has made significant contributions to research into El Niño-Southern Oscillation.
    He was made an Honorary Fellow of the Royal Society of New Zealand in 2000, awarded the Jule G. Charney Award from the American Meteorological Society and the NCAR Distinguished Achievement Award in 2003.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_E._Trenberth

    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html

    It’s easy, Pablo… just took a second on these here internets.

  • Anonymous

    Fact: 5% more moisture in the air from warmer climates makes supercell storms.

  • Anonymous

    TRIFECTA! Now all three are talking to themselves. Circus time, Whoppee!

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Maybe praying for rain in Texas?

  • Anonymous

    I believe the Koch Brothers is the “go to” sam by progressives who have nothing to say but still want to be liked by the other progressives.

  • Anonymous

    I’m waiting for BME to begin to post on this site so I can agree

    Of course you are, Sweetcheeks. After all, it’s not as if you’ve ever had an original thought of your own.

  • Anonymous

    good choice. try to change the subject. it’s really your only hope.

  • Anonymous

    No you smell a sarcastic dig at dumb ar@e right wing fundamentalists

  • Anonymous

    Please, Michael M. Don’t die stupid.

  • Anonymous

    There would have to be a God to be anti-God first…duh!

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    I agree, Raygun’s Starwars fantasies were where our troubles all began!

  • Anonymous

    good advice. we don’t want him becoming a conservative.

  • Anonymous

    Plase Michael M. Don’t die stupid.

    Right. He should follow your example and live stupid instead.

  • idrinkthere4iam

    What the hell, are you guys giving each other likes? Can’t imagine anyone really likes what you two pea brains have to say.

  • Anonymous

    Michael M, whatever you do, promise me you won’t die stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    You deniers are a sorry sort, fighting for the right to poison the environment is exactly what Jebus would do… Bet your 5 year old would agree too…

  • Anonymous

    once again, they’re the same person.

  • idrinkthere4iam

    That is correect, but take it as truth, that this particluar climate change is caused by humans. Especially brainless greedhead republicans.

    My prayer for Pablum. “Dear gawd please send one precision earthquake or a mini tornado to Mr. Pablosteinheimers house post haste. I know you will understand and agree that he serves no special purpose and is advocating destroying your wonderful creation in the name of mamon. In JeeBus’s special name this we pray”.

  • Anonymous

    You mean like the way you teatards do with George Soros? Not quite, but nice try.

  • Anonymous

    We can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t,” and “any consideration of geoengineering [is] quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!”

  • Anonymous

    And your point is??

    Right underneath his tinfoil hat.

  • Anonymous

    Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming

    If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka CRU) and released 61 megabytes of confidential files onto the interne

  • Anonymous

    You are joking right?

  • Anonymous

    Al Gore? BRAHAHAHAHAHHA

    And you deny the reality to facilitate the exhorbidant profits of the most profitable industry in the history of humankind at the monetary expense not to mention the physical health of all on the planet. You punk@ss schill.

  • Anonymous

    Did you ride your horse into town today? Shouldn’t trust them there horseless carriages, too much unproven technology you know.

  • Anonymous

    Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming

    Give them points for consistency, anyway. They’re still flogging the same tired old memes, even though it’s been over a year since “Climategate” was exposed as a hoax and the scientists were cleared of any wrongdoing.

    http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201007020005
    http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP

    Try to keep up, little teatard.

  • Anonymous

    Al Gore!! Drink!!

  • Anonymous

    From snowfall in Texas that collapsed the sports arena to an abnormally high number of tornadoes in the USA (with the prior record in this decade – ?2004?) and the distribution of the strength of the tornadoes apparently also inicreasing . I’ll definitely say that the USA is making a pretty good argument for climate change.

    Melting ice caps in the northern latitudes.

    Of course, the question is whether similar patterns are being observed all over the earth. The NASA link given by St. Augustine sure makes it sound like they are.

  • Anonymous

    “Their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt,” it said. In response to the assertion that CRU had withheld data, the report found that it was mostly not theirs to withhold but was easily accessible in public databases. One of the report’s authors, physicist Peter Clarke of the University of Edinburgh in the United Kingdom, told a press briefing today that they were able to download the relevant data “in a few minutes” and then process it in the same way as CRU had done, producing similar final results. “It took a couple of days of code writing,” he said. The authors found no evidence of bias by CRU in its selection of data. Allegations of misuse of tree ring data were also put aside.

    http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/07/east-anglia-climate-scientists-l.html

  • Anonymous

    TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – Survivors of the deadliest tornado outbreak since the Great Depression struggled to begin rebuilding their lives in the wind-wrecked landscape Friday, enduring blackouts and waiting in long lines for gas as their remaining possessions lay hidden in the rubble.

    How appropriate that another democrat party depression would spawn another outbreak of tornadoes.

  • Anonymous

    Trenberth argued that skeptics had cherry-picked his comments and they were out of context.

    Trenberth and the National Center for Atmospheric Research was sent a Freedom of Information request to see e-mail correspondences between these leading climate scientists so the public could better contextualize what he really meant.

    know was his response was?

    “My email is none of your business.”

    When he finally gets off the dole, I’m sure John Podesta will have work for him.

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14005900

  • Anonymous

    [Reading comprehension and mathematics seem to be lacking in your curriculum - perhaps remedial classes should be in your future.]

    hmm, your article: 12/16/2009 is before

    East Anglia Climate Scientists Largely Cleared in Final Major Investigation
    by Daniel Clery on 7 July 2010, 8:28 AM

  • Anonymous

    After reading publications and interviewing the senior staff of CRU in depth, we are satisfied that the CRU tree-ring work has been carried out with integrity, and that allegations of deliberate misrepresentation and unjustified selection of data are not valid.

    Keep sniffing out those conspiracy theories, Scooby.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! The Koch-sucking deniers are here in full force today. This must be really hitting a nerve with these anti-life fascists.

    Can you smell the fear?

  • Anonymous

    The ignorance and stupidity of the Trolls is truly astounding.
    We have had, Worldwide a level of weather extremes over the last few years that is almost without precedent. Anyone who denies Climate Change, driven in large part by our actions is in part responsible for this is not dealing with reality.

  • Anonymous

    I’m watching Cenk talking about Trump’s Vegas performance last night and wondering what the Donald’s approach to Climate Change would be? “Alright you MFing tornados, get the phuck outta dodge or else.”

  • http://alpuz3.myopenid.com/ alpuz3

    You can believe anything you like, Swinnie. It’s the saying it loud(or typing it) part that gets you those awkward stares.

    How’s the megaphone at the bus stop gig going for ya, goofball?

  • Anonymous

    I thought “irresponsible” was a synonym for teaparty, republican, and teapartyrepublican and vice versa!

  • Anonymous

    unfortunately, i come from a family that will continue to deny climate change even as they are standing knee-deep in floodwater….

  • Anonymous

    Wow! The Koch-sucking deniers are here in full force today. This must be really hitting a nerve with these anti-life fascists.

    I guess they’re finding it tougher than they thought to sell that whole “global warming is just a hoax” meme to a bunch of newly homeless people sitting in a field full of rubble.

  • Anonymous

    michele, is that you honeybunch?

  • Anonymous

    Uggh…

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think the “concept” of global warming is something their tiny minds can even begin to grasp. They’ll more likely blame it on Obama and the Democrats, rather than consider any “scientific” evidence.

  • Anonymous

    “democrat party”

    (spit points and laughs at troll)

  • http://www.facebook.com/rayloke1 Ray Loke

    It is irresponsible not to mention climate change. … The environment in which all of these storms and the tornadoes are occurring has changed from human influences (global warming).

  • Anonymous

    *sputter!* For the Dimmicrato Left to have the audacity to infer that the weather is implicated in the weather is absolute proof of their unAmerican Socialistical-Obamanistical-Mooslamofascistical folly! (*cough* Ayers! *cough* Dorn! *cough* Reverend Wright!)

  • Anonymous

    Global warming equals increased atmospheric temperatures equals increased evaporation. Increased ocean temperatures equals increased evaporation. Increased melting of ice (polar and glacial) equals increased evaporation. Increased evaporation equals increased moisture content in the atmosphere, humidity, saturation.

    So, this past winter, a polar front roared down from the north, interacted with the increased moisture-laden air over the northeast states, dumping record snow.

    The other day, another front from the north roared across southeastern states, interacted “with very warm, humid air mass from the Gulf of Mexico, said David Imy from the NOAA Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma.”

    Yes, there are natural weather fluctuations, but with increased global atmospheric warming leading to increased evaporation and thus an increase in the moisture content, these fronts from the north (winter and summer) have more moisture in the atmosphere to work with, to interact with, leading to an increase in how much snow or rain falls, and probably the severity of what happens when one of these fronts moves through, like a broad band of tornadoes leveling everything in their paths.

    And now apparently even Superman is noticing some changes. His Fortress of Solitude is melting, or at least the ice on which it sits. He’s “contemplating” renouncing his U.S. citizenship, going global instead, primarily so his actions won’t be confused with U.S. policy, including the current U.S. policy, I would think, in which the U.S. is NOT addressing the global warming crisis, being blocked in doing anything by Republicans (and conservative Blue Dog Democrats) who’ve been bought by the profiteering global-warming-denier oil companies and energy corporations. Superman understands. Where global warming is concerned, all world governments are at risk, all the world’s citizens are at risk, so it will take a concerted worldwide effort to address global warming…unless it’s already too late to reverse what is happening.

  • pete

    Every American who has refused to acknowledge the facts of global warming falls into one or more of these groups:

    1. Partisan Republicans.
    2. Religious fanatics.
    3. Employees of the fossil fuel industry.

    Every. Single. One.

  • Anonymous

    And other than drive industry out of the country, accomplish absolutely nothing. Even if Australia stopped burning fossil fuels entirely, it would accomplish nothing, except perhaps to replicate Australia of 1810.

  • http://greatwire.info/forum TxMom

    31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs

    “The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it.”

    http://www.petitionproject.org/

  • Anonymous

    In the United States at least, former climate change believers are now demanding that politicians and law makers have the leading scientists and especially the unconscionable leading news editors, subjected to criminal charges for knowingly sustaining the criminal exaggerations of the CO2 mistake for the last 25 years. It is now appearing that issuing CO2 death threats to billions of children unnecessarily has not gone unnoticed and unlike Bush getting away with his false war in Iraq, the false war of climate change will sooner or later be dealt with in the courts. Treason charges for leading a country to a false war is one option now being looked at as politicians always need an enemy to blame.
    And keep in mind that it was the scientists themselves that made environmental protection necessary in the first place when they supposedly polluted the planet with their evil chemicals and cancer causing pesticides and so how ironic is it that we bowed like fools to our Gods of science for 25 years of “unstoppable warming”?
    Scientists are not gods and don’t forget that scientists also produced cruise missiles, cancer causing chemicals, land mine technology, nuclear weapons, germ warfare, cluster bombs, strip mining technology, Y2K, Y2Kyoto, deep sea drilling technology and now climate control. Proof of consensus not being real is the fact that scientists did not march in the streets when IPCC funding was pulled, the EPA was castrated and Obama’s not even mentioning the “crisis” in his state of the union speech. Consensus was a myth because if it were true, the consensus scientists declaring a climate emergency would act like it was an emergency and demand their CO2 mitigation be taken seriously. We believed a handful of lab coat consultants who said we could CONTROL the planet’s temperature and prevent it from boiling. Pure insanity as history will call this modern day witch burning. The new denier is anyone still believing voters will vote YES to taxing the air to make the weather colder. Not going to happen.
    REAL planet lovers are happy and relieved a crisis was averted and real planet lovers don’t hold scientists as Gods and bow to politicians promising to make colder and lower the seas and scare kids with such doomsday glee.
    Stay tuned. Call the courthouse.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    31,487 Number of scientist working in the petroleum industry? And only 9,029 with PhDs, field of study?

    By the way, nearly ALL climatologists acknowledge climate change is in fact real and agree that human behavior is a signifigant factor.

    Notice, my link is to a website that actual scientists frequent, not a corporate “petitionproject”.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090119210532.htm

    SOOOOOooooo… Do you go to the dentist to have your colonoscopy performed? Do you let your bookie do your taxes? Do you send your children to an amusement park for their education? (I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you answered yes to at least one of these.)

  • Anonymous

    31,000 “scientists”, huh?

    and 9,000 PhDs?

    sounds impressive.

    until you consider that in the u. s. alone, there are 2300 four-year colleges and universities and 1700 two-year institutions.

    so you’ve got an average of a little more than two “scientists” with PhDs for each institution of higher earning in the u.s.

    that means that after the first two PhDs, every single other member of the science faculty at EVERY college or university in the u. s., and EVERY science PhD in the REST OF THE WORLD has failed to find this petition compelling enough to sign.

    and that’s without examining the disciplines of these “scientists”. Because there are all kind sof sciences, you know. Science can range from physical sciences like biology, chemistry, climatology or physics to social sciences (psychology, sociology) and computer science. There’s a LOT of scientific disciplines to consider. And every one of the students or instructors in each of those disciplines can credibly call him or herself a “scientist”.

    doesn’t look quite so impressive now, does it?

    and then there’s this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/the-30000-global-warming_b_243092.html

  • http://greatwire.info/forum TxMom

    Of those that provided their field of study:
    Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences: 3,697
    Computer and mathematical sciences: 903
    Physics and aerospace sciences: 5,691
    Chemistry: 4,796
    Biology and agriculture: 2,924
    Medicine: 3,069
    Engineering and general science: 9,992

    Where do you get your petro industry assumption from?

  • Anonymous

    Climategate was no hoax, despite what you would like to believe. The people that generated the emails have not denied that they wrote them, only that they meant something else and that they were taken out of context. The scientists were cleared of wrongdoing by people that stood to lose if they found they had done something wrong. What was not evaluated was the technical correctness of the scientists work. A whitewash by anyone’s definition.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_52UQKB45LYKROM7PLMJVGDFUY4 Cain

    Global Warming, aka Climate Change, aka Global Climate Disruption has been a tremendous waste of money, resources, and ultimately lives. Yes, these charlatans have cost untold thousands, perhaps millions of the poor their lives.

    Instead of the USA and others wasting billions of dollars to develop data for the pre-determined theory of global warming (this is science down “top down” for political reasons, or “backwards” as many scientists have called it), those massive riches could instead have been spent providing clean water to millions of children. Instead of fattening some amoral, arrogant, white-coated scientist in an ivory tower, seeds, livestock, and millions of doses of malaria medicine could have been delivered to the worlds poor. But there is only so much money the world can spend on its problems.

    And yet still the arrogant white-coats (and political benefactors of course) demand their tribute, literally taking away the clean water, food, and life saving medicines for millions of the worlds poor in their quest for more esteem, wealth, and power.

    I’m not sure how many of the deadly sins are in play, but I am sure that it’s more than one.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    “In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement.”

    By the way, your “Atmospheric,environmental,and Earth sciences” is the petroleum geologists and meteorologists part of the equation if you are having trouble understanding. SOOOOooooo… 97% of the people who actually are qualified to assess the situation agree, 47% of the people who have a conflict of interest due to their primary source of income still agree, and 64% of the “weathermen” agree that climate change is real and human behavior is a contributing factor.

    I’m starting to think you answered yes to all three of my questions…

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Nice corporate propaganda piece… zzzzzzz…

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Nice corporate propaganda piece… zzzzzzz…

  • http://greatwire.info/forum TxMom

    I would say your climatologist fit into the Atmospheric Scientist category. If you want to become a climatologist, you’ll need to study physical and biological sciences and get a degree in atmospheric science.

    Because these 30,000+ scientists disagree your scientist you assume a connection to oil. Amazing.

    There are scientist on both sides of the issue. Until both sides come closer together there is not a consensus.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_52UQKB45LYKROM7PLMJVGDFUY4 Cain

    So I take it your in the “throw the poor to the wolves” camp. Good for you.

  • http://twitter.com/Thinknaboutit Derobos Wontonyhw

    Since you are having trouble reading…

    “CLIMATOLOGISTS who are active in research showed the STRONGEST CONSENSUS on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent AGREEING humans play a role.”

    I would say the consensus is in, just because you can find a fringe element or group of scientists from another field doesn’t make it a disagreement in the field of study relevant to the question.

    Good luck with your colonoscopy…

  • http://greatwire.info/forum TxMom

    lol scientist that disagree with your point of view are Fringe. lol

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    Most if not all of the “climate change scientists” get their funding by creating a hysteria about “climate change.”. Then they propose fixing it by raising taxes. Those taxes are then funneled to their “research.”

    Lol

    No thanks.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    You forgot one.

    4. Educated and not easily fooled.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not about what I would like to believe. It’s about what’s already been proven to be false accusations. Climategate was a hoax. You people need to move on to your next paranoid delusion.

  • http://themoneygoround.com muckdog

    NOAA rejects Think Progress blogger Brad Johnson’s claim that tornadoes caused by climate change.

    http://dailybayonet.com/?p=8291&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hippies-heart-disaster

  • pete

    Ah yes, the “petition”. I didn’t realize they even still had the site up. It’s been a few years since I tackled it but here are some things you should know, in no particular order.

    1. It’s not restricted to scientists in the field.
    2. It includes “scientists” from religious “universities” and the fossil fuel industry.
    3. It’s been out there for 13 years and the predicted effects of global warming have accelerated beyond all but the most pessimistic predictions of the time. 13 years is an eternity.
    4. It objects to the Kyoto Protocol, not the science of global warming.
    5. Science isn’t done by petition, it’s done by gathering data, correlating data, and experiment.
    6. If one depends on the number of scientists willing simply sign a petition; back in about 2008 or 2009 the journal, Nature, got 141,000,000 signatures for a research paper debunking the “petition”. All were scientists in the field and it only ran for 2 weeks.
    7. Some scientists, when they saw how said “petition” was being used tried to withdraw their names but were refused the request. If I recall, there were a few thousand who had meant only to disagree with the Kyoto Protocol, not the scientific consensus on the fact of global warming and mankind’s contribution to it.

    Now, here’s some real science, in no particular order.

    a. Average global temperature is rising at an alarming rate.
    b. Greenhouse gases are rising at an alarming rate.
    c. Temperature and greenhouse gases are both rising in direct proportion to measured human emissions.

    You needn’t trust my conclusions. Simply spend about 20 years reading the data from places like NOAA and GISA. When the raw data gets boring, mix in some of the peer reviewed work from journals like “Nature”. If you understand what you are reading you will arrive at the same conclusion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Stark/100001550888275 Tony Stark

    75 out 77 climate scientists…LOL I’m assuming that you are referring to this “poll” http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf since you did not cite your source. 10,257 emails sent out by http://www.questionpro.com with a 30.7% return, 3146 returns. From there, knock out all those silly scientists in any field but climatology and get to 75/77=97% This poll tells me that 7,111 scientists polled understand how to set their email filters to avoid getting spam from the likes of http://www.questionpro.com. I highly recommend reading the 1 page study as the method and the questions are laughable, not to mention the fact that is a doctoral project for Pete Doran, a well-known climate alarmist.

  • http://thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/ Cletis

    Here’s an excerpt from yesterday’s post, “The Wizard of Ahs”. Jump over for the rest and smile. Second post down. thebookofcletis.blogspot.com/

    “And don’t come back anymore or I’ll thrash you again,” Barack screamed as he stood up and watched the hair monster scurry back into the forest.
    “What was that thing?” Sarah whispered easing next to America.
    “I believe it’s called, “The Donald”, Mitch said. “I remember hearing about it aways back when we were in that village getting supplies. Aparrently, it’s the only creature in Ahs that consists entirely of mouth and hair.”

  • Anonymous

    I actually live in one of the areas in Alabama that got hit by the tornadoes. This makes all of the climate science deniers look foolish.

  • Anonymous

    There’s a difference between acknowledging climate change may have played a role and politicizing the issue. Most of you are doing the latter.

    Then there’s the MSU professor who says, no, the tornado doesn’t have to do with climate change. I’m sure every single one of you here at TP are experienced climatologists/meteorologists who have researched the issue extensively.

  • http://profiles.google.com/germaniajim James vonBeker

    Hasnt anyone here ever heard of HAARP? Or do you believe them when they tell you its just a harmless study of weather patterns? HAARP clouds were spotted hours before the Japanese earthquakes, HAARP definitely caused the HAITIAN earthquake,and Katrina is likely also a direct result of HAARP, meanwhile theyive got everyone looking in the opposite direction, Clever,

  • Anonymous

    When Gavin Scmidt says ‘attribution is hard’, he’s really saying that he doesn’t know.
    He obviously wants to make people believe CO2 is to blame though——in order to add more unsubstantiated fuel to the hysteria the warmists must have to keep their agenda alive—–otherwise he would refrain from comment until he did know.
    When there have been actual investigations , rather than wild and self-serving speculation—most of the severe weather events hailed as proof of the CO2-induced global warming [ eg the Victorian bushfires in Australia, the floods in Australia, the floods in Europe and the Russian heatwave] have been shown to be neither unprecedented—nor due to CO2-induced climate change.
    If Michael Mann wants people to believe that the severity of these events can be traced to climate change, then he should show exactly how the conditions for these tornadoes and other recent weather events compare with the past conditions that produced even worse events.
    He should explain why they happened back then when the earth was presumably cooler.
    And Brad Johnson , if you’re worried about interference in the earth system, why are you not demanding that countries like China, Indonesia and Brazil , among others stop producing the huge amounts of black carbon [ not CO2] that [ NASA studies show ] is causing ~ 50% of the Arctic warming and melting, as well as some of the melting of glaciers.
    Why are you not stridently calling out Brazil for the continuing burning or razing of the rainforests?
    And since you speak of ‘interference’, why are you not taking on the fantastic interference postulated by the many geo-engineering enthusiasts on Drs Mann’s and Schmidt’s Real Climate blog?
    Instead you go the route of political interference and propaganda, seeking to use the misery and tragedy for your own political agenda.

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