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Judge: Cops can stop cars solely on the odor of pot

Posted to: Crime News Norfolk

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Police can smell marijuana while driving around town with their windows up, and officers are authorized to pull over cars if they do.

That is what Circuit Judge Everett Martin ruled Thursday in the case of a man arrested last December after such a traffic stop.

“I don’t find it inherently incredible,” Martin said before finding the stop was legal. “I find it quite believable.”

Officer Robert Frenier testified he was driving in the 3700 block of E. Princess Anne Road on Dec. 7 when he smelled marijuana through his patrol car’s vents. He said he and two other officers in his vehicle believed the smell was coming from the Dodge Neon in front of them.

Frenier followed the other car for about four blocks before pulling it over near Rush Street.

“I wanted to make sure it was coming from where I thought,” he said, explaining he was a car length or two behind most of that time.

Frenier testified one of the car’s brake lights was out at the time of the stop. But, he stressed, the sole reason for the stop was the smell of marijuana he and the other officers recognized. He did not mention the brake light in his report and could not testify with certainty Thursday which one was out.

A search of the vehicle found no marijuana, but the driver told police occupants had previously smoked pot in the car, Frenier testified.

Police said they did find a handgun in a purse near backseat passenger Deontae Poole, 25, of Norfolk. Poole was charged with illegal possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

S.W. Dawson, Poole’s attorney, argued in court Thursday it was not possible for the officers to smell marijuana while driving behind the Neon – especially since no marijuana was found in the car. He said he wouldn’t have a problem with the search if Frenier had pulled over the car because of the brake light and then smelled marijuana when he approached.

“If the court finds what happened here to be reasonable, I can’t imagine what it wouldn’t find reasonable,” he said.

Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Alexandra Vakos argued the opposite, noting Frenier and Officer John Zavros testified they smelled marijuana coming from the vehicle before initiating the stop. She said they could have smoked all of the marijuana or discarded it without the officers noticing.

“The smell alone gave them reasonable suspicion,” she said.

A jury trial is scheduled June 5.

It is unclear how often police officers in South Hampton Roads stop vehicles because they smell marijuana through their car’s air vents. Law enforcement officials in Portsmouth, Suffolk, Virginia Beach and even Norfolk said they were not aware of any such cases in their jurisdictions.

A Chesapeake policeman testified in 2012 he regularly tried to sniff out pot smokers from behind the wheel. A judge in that case ruled a vehicle’s search was legal because officers approached after it was parked and again smelled burning marijuana.

Another Chesapeake officer testified last year that he stopped a car because he smelled unburned marijuana emanating from it. About 2.5 grams of marijuana were found in the driver’s pants. A judge ruled that stop was illegal.

Scott Daugherty, 757-222-5221, scott.daugherty@pilotonline.com

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I fully support the police

but if he was following at a car length or two, could he be cited for following too close?

distance

While no specific law with fixed distances, there are recommendations in the VA Driver's Manual.

Distance in seconds at speed

2 seconds Under 35 MPH
3 seconds 36-45 MPH
4 seconds 46-70 MPH

Good luck getting that clearance on the roads around Tidewater, Hampton Roads, Coastal whatertheywanttocallthisplace.

If you don't hit the car in

If you don't hit the car in front of you then you are not driving too close, silly law but it gives Civil Lawyers something to work with.

Did the

officer give himself a ticket for following to close, and he did not say he was clocking the car for speeding.

I thought this was fishy at first

Then I was driving through Isle of Wight Co and could smell an upcoming lumberyard long before I saw it. Later i realized I could smell the cigarette smoke emitting from a nearby car without actually seeing the smoke. We can often smell the scent of a dead skunk as we drive through the country, and the "bad gas" from a car in front of us. All with the windows up and AC on. MJ has a very distinctive odor as well and penetrate the safety zone cocoon we associate with our vehicles just like booming speakers, potholes or my cell phone.

except

except....there was NO MARIJUANA in the car. Read the article. There was no dope, therefore they did not smell dope, therefore...well, you be the judge.

I occasionally smoke cigars

I occasionally smoke cigars on a long trip, when I get home; I put the windows up and lock the vehicle. I have come out as much as a couple of days later and you could smell the cigar coming from the locked vehicle. It depends on how saturated the interior got with the smoke and how strong the original smoke was. Marijuana is a strong smoke that will linger so it is possible there was none in the car at the time.

One of them swallowed it.

One of them swallowed it. Duh!!!

nice bud photo

I notice the photographer's credit is omitted. Probably a good call.

So...

if you are smoking a joint while you are driving and become aware of a Police Officer following you real close and you are concerned then you have two choices;
1. slam on your brakes so that he gets a ticket for following too close,
OR
2. start eating your pot, real fast.
Don't smile broadly, but if he asks tell him it must be spinach between your teeth.

Interesting

This is going to create an interesting set of circumstances when they are actually wrong about it or cannot find anything. Its also a great tool if you want to racially profile. On the bright side its a sign that we could be heading towards Colorado and Washington State.

Third option if you're going to smoke in the car

Use common sense and roll up the windows and turn the vent to internal circulation only. I believe the officer; I can smell cigarette smoke from a car in front of me or beside me very strongly.

"I can smell cigarette smoke from a car in front..."

but they can't smell your pot. Good deal.
Thanks for the tip.
Jetty is going to have to get himself a plastic suit with a re-breather to wear while riding his bike around, with all those bloodhound noses sniffing about.

WHAT A CROCK, AND I DON'T MEAN POT!

I have zero doubts that the vast majority of police are good and honest protectors of the public, but the percentage of criminals and scumbags in police uniforms is much, much larger than in any other profession, and Mickey Mouse crap like Officer Frenier is shoveling STINKS!

On December 7, 2013 the temperature in Chesapeake was 48-degrees, so I have a difficult time believing that Frenier was cruising around with his window down, or that the aroma of pot overwhelmed his proboscis and the smell of doughnuts in his vehicle.

Furthermore, while Frenier was sniffing out a pot smoker, how many crimes of actual consequence were going cop-less?

His windows were UP

Read the article --- again! The cop said the odor of pot came in through his car vents, not through an open window.

yet last april during 'college beach weekend'

I could smell pot all up & down the boardwalk while the VB cops stood around talking and checking out the coeds.

edv82481

"I could smell pot all up & down the boardwalk"

Did you tweet it out to the masses? Oh that's right. It's still illegal in Virginia.

Once the banks in this country get on board with providing the financial services and support needed for the marijuana industry, the justice system will be right behind them.

Institutional teat sucking.

It comes down to the ***three*** cops credibility

"the sole reason for the stop was the smell of marijuana he and two other officers in his car had recognized"

It did turn up a felon with a gun. That is good news.

I have no reason to disbelieve

The Officers. I have known many Police Officers in my life, most of them hate illegal drugs, and they have seen firsthand the effects of drugs on the public. Many of them know the smell of pot and are attuned to looking for it. In this case the person admitted they were smoking pot, so the officer is probably telling the truth in that they smelled the pot. If you don’t want to be pulled over for illegal drugs, don’t mess with them. If you were not smoking it and had none in your possession you would have a gripe. But there is still the illegal weapon to deal with.

What a completely, totally

ignorant judge. He not only mocks the Constitution and 4th Amendment, he mocks all who are free. He should be removed and disbarred.

As far as Norfolk cops go who really trusts them?

NPD

I trust them (NPD) more than VB, Chesapeake, Portsmouth and Hampton.

Ask me how I know. If you really have to ask that question, you just lost all your street cred.

Rental cars

Hot beds for illicit drug use and prostitution. Bring the "R" tags back!

Who ya' gonna call? The stress busters

I wonder how many cops actually smoke pot?

The actual number, I'm suspecting, would surprise most of us.

Blasphemy

This is our City of Chesapeake.

They are on steroids.

And have been for the fifty some odd years of their very existence.

The severe overcrowding of their jail is not by a pure coincidence.

not sure why

Everyone else in society understands that cops are just humans and can make up lies like anyone else, but for some reason judges don't get this. I have heard a cop say the ends justify the means, i.e. getting a bad guy off the streets justifies a few lies in getting it done. A judge will instruct a jury that the police officer's testimony is to be given the same weight and credibility as everyone else, no more no less. Yet judges themselves seem to think that cops never lie, never. There was no pot but a gun is found so the judge sticks his head in the sand and believes the nonsense about smelling the pot because came out of the mouth of the cop. The end, a illegal gun off the streets, he thinks justified the means, lying about pot smell.

I would think

that if this officer was going to lie he would have testified that he stopped the vehicle for the broken tail light, not the odor of unfound marijuana. By testifying to the truth he actually stood a greater chance of losing the case. Why say the primary reason you stopped the vehicle was for the odor of marijuana when you didn't find any? Because it was the truth. I think that if the officer was going to lie he never would have brought up the marijuana, he would have stuck with the whole broken tail light violation. Smell is one of the strongest senses we possess and is most times more accurate than our vision. We don't have to SEE something for it to be so.

This is just another avenue

This is just another avenue for abusive cops to game they system. All they have to do now is make the claim and start violating their victims rights. This is yet another move towards a police state.

Why is this so hard to believe?

Pot has a very distinct, pungent aroma and I can believe these officers smelled the pot.

Anytime I try to stop smoking cigarettes, I can sense when the guy in front of me is smoking.

Albeit unscientific, the

Albeit unscientific, the results of the poll regarding this issue are troubling.

A majority of respondents support the notion of a police state.

HEY ALL - GUNS!

Hey all - the end result is what we all should be celebrating. They found a felon with a gun which is a Federal crime.
This issue is just an attempt for a previously convicted felon to get out of doing time for another crime and, by the way, an attorney (court appointed and paid?) to make some serious money.
Anti-gunners should be happy - a gun is off the streets
Pro-gunners should be happy - a gun law was properly enforced

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