Spineless Texas??

I am glad that so far the latest emerging comments seem to indicate that a totally screwed up mind of a terrorist ex-convict like Larken Rose�s, now obsessed of murdering cops for his version of "justice" after serving his term in prison, is showing a semblance of hope. I have written off any hope of salvation for this deranged cop-stalker because he and his kind have been described by the National Institute of Health as anti-Government thugs suffering a certain kind of incurable "mental illness".

I noticed that Kit Kai is giving this mental casualty of his own delusional war against the U.S. Federal Government some kind of a MENTAL therapy. He gave Larken Rose the following pills of advice:

[1] Policemen and Military personnel are not trained "to kill on demand". This psychological bug is eating up Rose�s diseased mind. Kit Kal proved to Rose that he was delusional because Kit himself has been trained by the Military as an infantry man. What�s in Rose�s mind does not exist. Besides, it is not fair if not diabolic, for anyone to disparage our LEO who are only doing their sworn duty to uphold the law, or to vilify with such contempt and hatred our men and women in uniform in the service who are now doing their duty here and abroad. No sane person would accuse them of being "immoral" as this loony did, just because they are in the Military.

[2] Texas is NOT spineless. This only exists in the afflicted mind of Larken Rose. Texas has a sterling record of fighting LEO abuses over the years. It is so stupid to accuse Texas of being spineless when the records show the contrary. Only a diseased mind no longer in touch with reality would do that.

But listen, Kit, do you think Rose will take your pills of advice? He is a broken man consumed by hate and violence who is incapable of taking any pill of advice even for self-cure. This is the kind of "mental illness" of a violent anti-Government attacker the NIH had described as a terrorist that is extremely dangerous.

Rose and his kind are growing in number. Pursuant to NIH study, the Department of Homeland Security has recently classified them as dangerous terrorists. They are not only obsessed of bringing down the Government but also predisposed or addicted to kill and to destroy [this mental fixation is akin to that of a serial killer or sociopath, i.,e., Timothy McVeigh, Unabomber, Jared Loughner and their kind which I have repeatedly mentioned in my other comments]. Their track record of violence, destruction and mass murder is impeccable!

To parley or negotiate with them to prevent an attack will not work. Why do you think DHS had recently purchased a large cache of hollow point bullets? It is not reason but this kind of bullet that explodes when it hits the body that will stop them. Grim reality to visualize, but I am not talking about the future � it is already here.

It is ad nauseam for me to even think about this scenario, this I have say to be honest with you. But if that will protect me, my family and yours too if you care, from an attacking horde of schizophrenic zombies like Larken and his kind � hey, bring it on! Make my day!

Finally, what is this noise I heard from some of your comments that Larken Rose is driven to shoot cops dead and/or murder officials of the U.S. Federal Government as a matter of SELF-DEFENSE? The problem is that some if not all of you, are speculating.

Let us not speculate. Let the record speak. On record, what attack or abuse by the Government, IRS or cops did Rose suffer to justify his claim or for you to say that what he doing against LEO and the Government is self-defense? Did those "jackboots" [he called them more horrible, dirty unprintable names(!)] kicked his ass? The record shows nothing of that sort of aggression or attack against Rose had been perpetrated by the Government, cops and/or government officials.

Of course in a delirium, Rose does say anything. If you are easily convinced that whatever comes out from his mouth is the truth and nothing but the truth, tell me because I will sell to you London Bridge. You will enjoy a fantastic discount to boot!

The mental ailment that drove him to violence, i.e., to shoot cops dead and to kill government officials, stands on his own record, i.e., his "systematic employment of violence and intimidation to coerce a [the] government�" is in his published writings, books and videos. This quote describes a terrorist [ref: "The new authority on the English Language" � The New [most modern] Shorter Oxford English Dictionary.]

This is also what is found in the record of IRS: He was tried, convicted and jailed as a tax cheat or for committing tax fraud. On record he is a tax felon, and an ex-convict.

Now I ask you: Is this the basis of his claim of "self-defense" for shooting cops dead and for killing government officials � just because he was arrested as a tax cheat, was thrown to jail and after that he suffered his punishment in jail?

C�mon, fellows � you are out of line when you attack me outside of what�s in the record. It is the duty of every law abiding citizen to call the attention of authorities when there is a threat to life and property coming from people like Larken Rose and his dangerous copycats, more so when they happen to be mentally ill. And you attack me because I am doing that? It is inconceivably ridiculous, to say the least!

It is time to recognize and accept who really Larken Rose is. I have nothing personal on this guy, believe me. But the more slippery he is with words, the more it is hard for you to recognize that he is a mentally disturbed terrorist [NIH] that poses a danger to the safety of all Americans, aside from the fact that he is a threat to national security.

Larken Rose:

I agree with many of your views, but this one I will have to disagree with you on; at least in part.� Texas has led the fight against the TSA.� Going through the 'political process' is one of the few peaceful options that people have; that does not mean I disagree with you about defending oneself from thugs/bullies who hide behind badges.� �Yet, to do this will need more than one person who defends themselves, it will take a 'jury' to find him/her not guilty; because the State has the burden of proof, it's case could be thrown out depending on the situation.� Video of the ongoing abuses by the police, TSA, and 'government agencies' in general is our best weapon of defense at the current moment.� Each Individual has to live in this sorry world and if a person were to shoot in self-defense, and kill LEO's that person might have to go on the run and would be hunted down as a "cop-killer" regardless of the right or wrong of it.� This is something a person has to think about when they are not facing that situation.� So, I do not think that Texas is spineless; they, the people, are battling this Police State crap same as the rest of us; I think that everyone is doing their best to avoid another bloody war within.� Look at the last time; the greatest casualties of any war the USA has ever fought was that one.� So, it is common sens to want to avoid that as much as possible; besides, I do not think they are getting away with as much as you might think.

Also, about your comments towards police and military training, they are not trained to 'kill on demand' they are trained to stay alive in the execution of their 'duties.'� I went through this myself for four years of active duty infantry.� Is it morphing to what you say; that may be happening, but do not get to harsh on current active duty military or police who are trying to provide an income the only way they know how, at this time.� What I mean here is, as them the tough questions, but don't accuse them of things that are immoral; my suggestion.� They are slowly coming around and it may surprise you if a vast majority of military just 'quit' because what they are ordered to do just does not jive anymore.�

I started to realize that my butt was stuck for four years and then, had the possibility of getting recalled for three; I was seperated one month before 9/11.� I expected it and it never came.� I recieved my honorable discharge and my 'contract' was up; this is my point, these folks are signed up for a particular amount of time on a contract.� You said yourself that if you sign a contract you are under an obligation to follow it as you agreed to it.� Over the course of twelve years, my views and mind has changed quite a bit.� In short, do not sell those still in the military short as they will be in the fight as well.� As for the LEOs, well they will wake up and have to decide for themselves, just what is it they are doing the job for if it is not honorable but, brings income.� When I was a child, I wanted to be a cop, particularly a detective; based on lots of romance from Hollywood, of course.� But also, I have an Uncle who was a police officer at the time.� He was fired from a town because he arrested the wrong person (the mayor's son, I believe) and developed a reputation as someone who would not show favoritism to anyone; this did not bode well with our family.� He is a good man and I will never find him to be in the wrong for his career choice; it was based on moral principles, something that is decaying rapidly amongst current Law Enforcement.

In closing, and as already stated, yes a person does have a right to defend themselves and it should not matter if it is a police officer or other 'government official.'� I find it amazing that anyone could think otherwise; this does not advocate going out and "shooting cops."� I know that you do not see it that way either.� Words can be twisted so easily today.� But, I disagree with you about Texas or anyone else who is still hopeful with the political process to correct things.� I look at it like an addiction to a very harsh "controlled substance" like Heroin.� The withdraw may be worse than the habit; it is very difficult to give up on the notion of electing someone to take care of things while the one who voted them in goes on with their lives.

Later,

Kit Kal

Have i made you my enemy by telling you the truth?

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�LR is absolutely correct about the force the so called security and justice agencies are. They are there to rob you while you are told, they are there for you. If you read his books, you would know that this man is a nonviolent person who preaches ideas of voluntarism. But what would you so called awakened "patriots" know about self-defense when you are the target of violence. ah wait, the person who doesn�t defend oneself is a loyal tax paying citizen and who resists is� a big T word.

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Whatever folks, you people disgust me of your ignorance and biasness. I bet you 99% of you believe police and military men are heroes, don�t ya? They are nothing but welfare queens. The clothes you clown wear and the food you eat and everything else you own in your life is paid by people. you are worse than beggar because beggar asks you fucks steal. You paid murderers you�

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�Oooooo no he didn�t!�

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Have i made you my enemy by telling you the truth?�(Repeat)

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Wow.� So much for a scholarly debate.

It is a very difficult decision exactly when and how to defend oneself, or actively fight for freedom.� Being a pacifist/chicken, I really don't ever want to be in a position to physically harm/kill an aggressor, either private or public.�� The folks who threw out the Brits, lo these many years ago, did choose violence only after many, *many* failed attempts at rational negotiation.

The rational negotiation *did not* work; the violence did (for a couple years, then the whiskey rebellion started it all over again, etc.).�

From what I know of Larken, I'm quite certain that he's not looking forward to killing anyone; although, I can certainly understand his, and millions of others' anger at all the completely insane enforcers and their usurpations of our freedom.

Only someone who has been so relentlessly harassed,� abused and persecuted can truly understand the resulting anger and zeal for self-defense.� A woman who has tolerated abuse for too many years will one day snap, and she will (finally) defend herself to whatever degree it takes to stop the attack.� Rose, Banister, Simkanin, Jackson, Clayton, Harrel, Snipes and millions of others are, in my mind, fully justified to defend themselves however they morally see fit- and I am certain that taking a life is a defense of last resort.

The govt/leo's have marched so amazingly far and fast in these last x years, and it is truly going assymptotic.� The incursions have accelerated exponentially, and we are well into the vertical part of the curve.

I only wish that I had as much spine, audience and humor as Larken (The Tiny Dot, If I Were King- YouTube) to accomplish as much as he has.

Bob (not my real name, although I suspect the EB's (evil bastards) already have me under surveillance.� Here- I'll smile:� :^)� there.)

I am also entertained by those latest comments. Okay, since you are all�in the picture-reading part of this elongated-discussion, let's look at the picture in the upper left-hand corner�that purport to be that of a man suspected as Abraham Lincoln's "assassasin". What I see his head that looks�like the potato I just bought from�a nearby grocery store�this morning. You can replicate this round-headed picture yourself. Buy a�colored potato shaped like a human head. Let�the potato�stay in a bowl filled with water at least for three days, until�the potato�grows "hair". Then you are ready to make a human head. Take the potato out of the bowl, carve the eyes, the nose and the mouth, then let the potato stand�impaled at the pointed end of the�fork facing you ...�now start talking to Larkin Rose! Chances are, he will ask you: Have you killed a policeman yet? And you say, no, but I am about to eat a foolishman -- you!

I, and the rest you read here, who exposed Larken Rose as a psychopath are one person? I doubt that very much. Let the others speak for themselves.

But here are the personalities that look different and yet these are but one person � this I guarantee you:

He is only one and the same person. The problem is, he doesn�t just have a split personality but multiple personalities! This is not an ACCUSATION that needs to be proven � this is a PRESENTATION from the record that has already been proven.

Done being personally insulted by people who do not know me or have ever met me - with assumed facts not in evidence.

Good day.�

Don�t let this scary picture scare you, pretty lady face. His statements to kill cops and officials in the Government are that of an assassin. But don�t worry about Obama. Before he can get to Obama, Obama will get him first. No, he was not seen in Cartagena, Columbia, lately. Obama�s Secret Service agents were caught in a whore-act over there, but there was no report that Larken Rose was seen anywhere in that place. Just look over your shoulder every time you go shopping at Macy�s or when you do your nails near the vicinity where Rose was last seen. You can hire me as a security detail you can depend your life on. That was part of my job while I was in the Military

Ed,

So lots of people shout "End the Fed!" Good. And I was just there for such an event, which was fun. But then what? The Fed is still there. If a miracle occurs, and Ron Paul gets elected, it will STILL be there. Never in a billion years will the crooks in Congress abolish the Fed. It sounds like your approach really is the "political" process, which has never, and will never, achieve freedom. What's valuable about people like Ron Paul, and various movements and demonstrations, is that they can introduce people to the concepts of liberty. But ultimately, if the people aren't willing to "illegally" achieve freedom, they will never be free, because freedom has ALWAYS been "illegal," and always will be. If they focus only on begging the ruling class to change its evil ways, they will be slaves forever.

(As a former member of the military, you were trained to commit murder on command. Some ex-military folks I know are now able to admit that. The fact that cops and soldiers also do good things--and they often do--does not change the fact that they are intentionally trained to violently impose the will of the politicians on others.)�

To anyone who doesn't already know this, "PussyCat, "Anonymous75," and "Brutus" are all the same person: a delusional, mentally unstable, schizophrenic, pathological liar. If you're wondering why they, and other pseudonyms he uses, echo the same lies, the same inaccurate terms, even the same grammatical errors, that's why. His psychotic projecting is entertaining, but I don't want people to be worried that there are that many state-worshiping fascists here. There aren't. Mainly one, with multiple personality disorder. And no, I'm not worried about the fact that, while repeatedly claiming that I want all cops "shot dead" (which I obviously don't), he openly advocated that I be murdered. Frankly, I'm surprised more people who worship the state don't say such things. I insult the god they bow to, so I expect them to be hostile.

I enjoy this debate. I notice that only Annonymous75 is solid. His position connects with me, and the reading public. The rest are just semantics. It is silly to listen to an argument over what Larken Rose is saying. It has no importance. It is how dangerous a "mentally-disturbed" sociopath threatens to kill or shoot a cop that should be the focus of attention. There is danger there. Only Annonymous75 is centering on this point, that's why he connects with me and the public.

But every time I open this page, I am disturbed by this picture of a man staring at me. I look hard trying to figure it out. Are you sure I am not looking at Abraham Lincoln�s assassin? I am just writing down what crosses my mind every time I am here reading what you guys are saying. That mean-looking picture is very disturbing. He threatened to kill or shoot cops, didn�t he?

My way is the ONLY way how to deal with threats to life and property coming from mentally-disturbed terrorists like Larken Rose and his likes, i.e. Timothy McVeigh, Unabomber, Jared Loughner and their kind. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY � THE ONLY CORRECT WAY, IS DEFINITELY MY WAY.

Look here, people � the American people agree with my way how to deal with Rose and his kind � eliminate them or else be eliminated! Extreme? Yes, because extreme situation only requires extreme solution. To save my life and that of my family � and yours too if you care � has NO compromise. You either live � which means terrorists don�t � or die � which means terrorists live and kill some more. That�s what I mean when my life and yours have no compromise in dealing with this kind of terrorists.

Notice carefully � and again I will attempt to make you understand: The American people agreed with my way. Through Congress they showed their agreement by passing the latest tool to us in dealing with terrorists like Larken Rose and his likes � the National Defense Authorization Act. This time the American people, tired of the tricky legal maneuvers of terrorists, acted through Congress and got rid of this bullshit called "due process" terrorists hide behind when caught doing their terrorist activities. More NDAA-like tools to use are coming. This nation can no longer take chances after 911 � we may not survive another 911 because this time it could be a biological kind of WMD, you name it.

Psychictaxi, our paths often crossed and we rarely agree with each other because I still have a record to show that you are as angry as Rose when you put your passion in writing down your feelings, right or wrong. You must have a record of mine too. Look at it. It will show you the CIVILITY of my way, the only way I take in the debate. I have learned this the hard way. My education and knowledge in this area are beyond the reach of any of you.

In this issue we are now discussing, your approach of civility in solving problems that to me looks like a hammer hitting Rose�s thick skull surprises me because it has always been my way. But as you know, my way is SITUATIONAL, which means it accepts exceptions.

Dealing with psychos like Larken Rose and his kind, is an exception. You want a "civil discourse" as your way in dealing with them. It won�t work. You don�t do that to sociopaths. It�s like banging your head against the wall and they won�t even see that you are bleeding, much more listen to you.

In short, you are dealing with wackos. The mind is abiotic of understanding anything other than the voice they hear in their head. That�s how sick they are. Forget your way. You sound funny when you say that this loco is "brilliant". Are you kidding me? He is a stalking shoot-and-kill-cops "dark" shadow. It�s all dark. From this Sicko, nothing shines at all.

That they are dangerous is an understatement. Those dangerous mentally-disturbed pain in the ass advocate a "systematic employment of violence and intimidation to coerce a [the] government�". This quoted statement exactly described Rose and his kind as terrorists that employ a system of violence and intimidation to coerce the U.S. Federal Government, i.e. shoot all cops dead or kill people in the government � "blow their brains out" and other statements of terror.

I use this definition of terrorists exactly describing them from "The new authority on the English Language" � The New [most modern] Shorter Oxford English Dictionary.

I have also a "legal" definition of terrorists culled from a case I once handled in my practice of law, but I will no longer drag you there � it is an unfamiliar territory for all of you � including Larken Rose and his kind, and to those who are making comments on this page.

I am always patient to reach all of you by using a layman�s language as much as I can � to make you people understand what we are dealing with in this debate that actually is all about terrorism � the more dangerous one because of "mental illness" involved that has no cure, which of course you just don�t know.

To state as an Honorably discharged United States Army Veteran (U. S. Army Signal School Honor Graduate) that I was never trained to 'torment or torture' anyone is proof your statement is flawed to begin with.� Not only did I volunteer, I SAVED LIVES�as the RTO for�the 36th Medical Detachment�(Helicopter-Ambulance) at Ft. Polk, Louisiana.

To state that I work in my Community WITH POLICE OFFICERS on a regular basis and that my personal experience is that some are dicks and some are downright good human beings that truly care for the welfare of their Fellow man is nowhere near 'naive'.

As for an example of 'pressure', I have no better example than a Great-Grandfather Doctor from Texas.� Without him (or us), the words 'END THE FED' wouldn't be chanted by thousands of screaming college students on television - or does this not count as 'a blow for Freedom'?

Ed,

Much of what you say is what I'm doing, but when you get to "fund-raise" and "exert pressure," you're getting pretty dang vague. Are you talking about political action, which has never, in the history of the world, resulted in freedom? What "pressure" are you talking about "exerting"? I'm pretty dang specific on that: I want people, en masse, to outgrow their authoritarian indoctrination, and then ignore and disobey the parasite class out of existence--and forcibly resist if and when necessary. Specifically, what "pressure" are you talking about? Voting? Petitioning? What?

(P.S. If you think it's "silly" to say that state mercenaries are trained to be callous monsters, then you're more naive than I thought.)

"...at best, unthinking, amoral robots; at worst, sadistic monsters who enjoy tormenting and torturing others. That's what cops and soldiers are trained to be, and it's not by accident."

Ok, now you have left disingenuous behind, and have arrived at just plain silly.

You are as far to one side of the scale as Anon75 is the other, my friend.� Your anger exceeds your wisdom, and prevents true civil discourse every bit as much as the exceeding desire to control others prevents Anon75 from ever being free him/herself.

What solution do I suggest?� How about the same solution that every other problem being worked on uses - COMPETITIVE COLLECTIVISM.� You see a problem you scream until enough people become aware of the problem and band together with you to fundraise and exert pressure and get bigger and bigger and then end the practice.�

Because you try it 'your way' and do not succeed does not create the scenario that equates to 'kill 'em all because it's the only way'.� Your brilliance can be put to far greater use in my humble estimation.

Ed�

Judy,

Sorry, but if the only thing Texans can think of to stop the psychotic federal politicians is to ask STATE politicians to save them, then yes, Texans are spineless. (Of course, so are the passive subjects who inhabit the other 49 states, probably more so.) Begging for this or that "legislation," federal or state, is the equivalent of slaves begging their master to whip them less--or begging one master to tell another master to whip them less. If Texans don't dare to act like free people until their state politicians tell them they can, then they don't even know what freedom means anymore. (Again, that's true of the compliant masses in all the other states--I'm only picking on Texas because it has a reputation for being strong and independent, a reputation perhaps it doesn't deserve anymore.)

If you are going to bash Texas, why don't you do a little homework first.� You might learn that the Texas house overwhelmingly passed a TSA anti groping bill .� It failed to get out of committee in the Senate.� Due the the overwhelming response (phone calls, emails and faxes to the Governor0, it was again brought up in the Special Session where it again passed the House and Senate.� Then magically, it just ran out of time in the special session because Gov Perry intentionally delayed.� It was never signed by our sissy governor with the help of our Lt governor David Dewhurst and the Rino Speaker of the House Strauss)� They schemed a way to each blame each other for the debacle, thereby no one taking credit alone.� This is the game they play in Politics.� So if you want to call Texas Spineless, why don't you put blame where blame belongs: Rick Perry, David� Dewhurst and Speaker Strauss.� They killed the bill.� And yes, Rick Perry is a spineless wimp, a phony grandstanding gutless trickster.� A mamby pamby.

Seems to me that you are missing the point, Anonymous75. Much of what you say is valid and accurate in some ways, in limited scope, as far as it goes. But ALL of what you say has to do with an imaginary government, one that obeys the law. What do you do when Government doesn't obey the law?

What do you do when law enforcement oversteps its authority? What do you do when that overstepping affects you personally and violently? Do you, personally, simply lie down and accept death, willingly, giving Gov and LEO your blessing in the process? Do you joyfully offer up your property and family, letting Gov and LEO take them away for nothing, except that they want to fill their houses with all kinds of plunder? Because that is what Government is doing to you, personally, even though you don't know it.

Most of the people you named below were only acting to protect themselves from a corrupt Government. Perhaps their actions were beyond what they should have been. But we can see from all kinds of faulty due process in Government, that Government's actions go way beyond what they should. And we see it for a fact!

Which small number of terrorists have been convicted as such in a court of law? And if they weren't so convicted, where is the authority for Government officials to so name them?

Nobody in the list, below, wants to shoot cops dead. Nobody even speaks of such things lightly. But what do you do when a corrupt Government uses its LEO to harm you and steal from you? Because that is what has been happening to YOU, yes YOU personally, Anonymous75, even though you don't realize it.

ALL - 100% - of what the libertarian patriots are trying to do is to protect themselves against corrupt Government and corrupt law enforcement. And the way that they are doing it is to talk about it. They are not using self-defense methods that harm or kill anyone.

Where is the dividing line when talk is not enough, and action must be taken to secure your rights from a corrupt Government and dorrupt LEO?

Regarding Texas, haven't you noticed that Government is using the TSA to go way beyond its authority? Why should people allow themselves to gradually be pushed into slavery? Sometimes, the way you talk seems like you are advocating a slave nation.

Remember, overthrowing the people IS overthrowing the Government.

To obey rather than break the law, is not being meek and spineless. To shoot cops dead is macho but loco.

This latest comment right below is as dry as biscuit as it missed the mark by more than a mile. The nearest hit it could get is when the comment mentions the right of the people to run down the Government when it becomes ruthless, which is arguably true � the people has that inherent right to revolt and change the Government [Locke in his Second Treatise of Civil Government 1690]. Otherwise, the long-winded Jeffersonian quote is totally irrelevant.

But terrorists and their accomplices do not have such right � and when this 911-like terror threatens our safety and national security with the end in view of not only abrogating the existence of the U.S. Government but also changing our American way of life [apropos to Osama bin Laden�s jihad declaration that Islam�s way of life is better than ours], the right to deny the liberty of terrorists and their accomplices regardless of citizenship, to kill, and their freedom to destroy, and the right of self-defense for the preservation of the State, belong to the Government as defender and protector of the people. This is the very essence of my position � the very point that I have been talking about since the dawn of day broke out in this discussion. How did those other subsequent comments missed this mark boggles my imagination!

This psychotic exhortation to shoot cops dead and run down the Government he hated deep in his bones because he was arrested and jailed for tax evasion, Larken Rose and his kind are not "the people" Locke was referring to in his Treatise of Civil Government. They are those violent terrorists that would kill at the drop of the hat. In comparison, they at least approximate, if not worse than, the likes of Timothy McVeigh. Larken Rose and Timothy McVeigh and their look-a-like from the lunatic fringe do NOT have such right to monkey around with our national security to destroy the Government, much less have any right to instigate Americans to shoot cops dead or to commit murder in the streets.

On the contrary, the Government has all the right to deny him and his kind their liberty to kill cops and to deprive them of their declared freedom to murder the Government, in a manner of speaking. The fact that Rose committed a felony and the Government arrested him and threw him in jail is a macabre way of proving that the Government had turned ruthless because of his arrest and incarceration and therefore he thought that that gave him the right to launch his personal revolt. Only those with screwed up minds like Rose�s would believe him and follow him in that direction.

In his famous Laviathan, Hobbes entertained the need for the Government to be understandably "ruthless" to suppress lawbreakers from breaking the law and to control riots and prevent anarchy. Let�s not forget that in the study of the Science of Government and Governance the Tyranny of the Throne and the Tyranny of the Street actually co-exist as an invisible balance of power, which people of good intention has to deal with.

But in our present system of justice, to shoot cops dead as a way of redress of a wrong real or imagined is never legally or morally right when the way to the court of law to redress such wrong is always open and available and protected, not denied, by law.

Consequently, whatever semantics are used justifying his abuse of Government because of its faults real or imagined, for Rose to kill is absolutely wrong. To Rose it may look courageous and macho to shoot cops dead for whatever reason there is, but to calm down and be reasonably civil in confronting law enforcement officers instead of shooting it out is neither being meek nor submissive. To obey the law rather than break the law is not being "spineless". In Literature, that neurotic perception is crooked and uglier than the Hunchback of Notre Dame [in the eyes of Victor Hugo].

I have been trying hard not to sound necessarily condescending, but in my frustration, it is difficult to see anything right of what Larken Rose stands for, even assuming that we are not dealing with a dangerous psychopath. And with this note, I assure you that whatever he says or do only comes but from one direction � hell!

The deprivation of civil rights under color of law is a federal felony. The spineless or tyrannical refusal to hold "law enforcement officers" accountable to the law does not change the fact that what they are doing is illegal according to the supposed highest law of the land and other statutes enacted to ensure its observance. Once upon a time, Americans understood their rights. They did not tolerate their rights being infringed, even by a king who supposedly had claim to their loyalty and ruled the largest and most powerful empire of the day. They put King George on notice of their refusal to sanction their own subjugation with these words:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.� That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, � That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

-- Thomas Jeffereson, The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

It is not only their right, but their duty, claims Jefferson (and Locke, whom he is practically paraphrasing). So, do the critics of Mr. Rose no longer believe these words anymore? Apparently not. On April 19, 1775, a collection of Middlesex County citizens took up arms and opened fire on the armed and uniformed soldiers of their mother country, which was the "superpower" of its day. They did so because those soldiers had come to seize their arms and trample the�rights those people enjoyed�as human beings and as Englishmen. Their rebellion against tyranny helped forge the future United States of America. Are there really so few Americans left in the world? I wonder, more and more.

Not everyone supported the Revolution. Samuel Adams had words for his reluctant, obedient fellow colonists: "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

�I have no endorsement to offer for violence and bloody revolution. I do not think that circumstances have reached a point where such actions are necessary or even effective. Bloodshed for the sake of a lust for violence or even catharsis is wickedness, pure and simple. Nevertheless, something must be done to dismantle this tyranny or reverse these circumstances,�this long�train of abuses and usurpations,�before our hubris-bloated government�tragically collapses on our heads.�Mr. Rose is right: the problem�with misplaced power is not in the chain of command; it is in The Chain of Obedience.
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I join not only the brain side but also the safe side of this discussion as opposed to the kill-cops side of the argument. Annonymous75 is warning the public of a psychopath named Larken Rose, an ex-convict, who wants to shoot cops dead and therefore his presence at least in this website poses a danger to the safety of Americans and to national security.

With Annonymous75 is Psychictaxi who admonished Rose for a better solution. Shooting cops dead would leave behind a lot of "widows" and "fatherless children" and he disapproved Rose "knee-jerk response" to the problem � a total agreement with Annonymous75�s long time position that an O.K. Coral shot-out response of a wacko against the Government won�t work and would result in more warrantless arrests and questionable incarcerations.

When the shooting missiles of arguments are flying all over my head, I take refuge in this safe-side of the argument as my bunker of reason, as opposed to the shoot-cops-dead argument of the other more hostile side.

When I read the other more antagonistic side of the argument, it seems the die is cast and I don�t need to fire a shot. I asked: Why would it be the fault of Government when the problem is caused by the undeniable increasing number of mentally-disturbed terrorists around us who want to slash my throat clean and/or cut my head off if not blow up all of us to kingdom come?

It is obvious that the Government is trying very hard to deny the freedom of terrorists to kill me and my family, and to deprive them of their liberty to destroy. And the Government is being crucified for doing that, more so when it recently passed the National Defense Authorization Act, primarily designed to deny more terrorists and terrorist suspects of their liberty and freedom to kill and destroy. It is a terrible thinking for anyone to mistake the Government as the enemy fighting the law-abiding citizens off their constitutional rights than as a defender that protects the people against terrorists for their right to live and to be secured in their abode.

It is only in this website where the psychotic impulse of a severely deranged psycho to shoot all cops dead passes as some sort of a philosophical ideology acceptable to those who hate the Government so badly. Since did I not know that in this website the world has turned upside down? I know that since my kids had grown up to become responsible adults and had raised their own families, the modern world has been going crazy, but not as a stupendously distorted and broken world it has become, as one would view the extent of such mentally-crafted apocalypse in this website.

�Hey Anonymous, where are your balls? Everybody left their name, cept you.

Ed,

But who do you think is going to "investigate" the authoritarian brainwashing of the jackboots? They are mercenaries for the state, and the state wants them to be exactly what they are: at best, unthinking, amoral robots; at worst, sadistic monsters who enjoy tormenting and torturing others. That's what cops and soldiers are trained to be, and it's not by accident. What kind of "community involvement" do you think is going to over-ride the authoritarian fascist mentality that is drilled into the heads of the state mercenaries? Again, I've been trying, and will continue to try, to persuade people NOT to be unthinking fascist thugs. What other solution are you proposing? Legislation? Some new government program? Do you really think the politicians want, or would allow, their training to be anything other than what it is?

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My comments are centered on Powell Gammill, on this sicko Larken Rose, and on Psychictaxi�s correct analysis as to what kind of a psycho Larken Rose has always been.

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Once again Editor Powell Gammill endorsed this psychopathic terrorist Larken Rose �� a psychopath who preached his psychotic violence to shoot cops dead and kill Government officials, especially after he has been arrested and jailed as a con artist for tax fraud and became known both as a notorious preaching ex-convict and a tax felon.

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Gammill delightfully allowed this mentally-disturbed two-legged threat to national security, to creep into this website. This somehow explains why readers rated Gammill on top of the heap as a hip-hop-hooray [!] editor of violence from the lunatic fringe. You can read his potshot comments here and there, and now and then, and here you can see them for yourself how he idolizes a psychopath.�

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Without any shred of doubt, PG loves this �Spineless Texas� lunacy written by Rose. It is too obvious that PG has been pushing very hard to include Ernest�s FP.com in the FBI Watch List by patronizing Larken Rose diatribe, more so when he is very much aware that Rose is a proven sicko who poses a grave danger to the safety of Americans, and to national security.

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And he is doing this for what? It is hard to speculate what reward Ernie will give this editor on the day of reckoning when this website�s light goes out � thanks to Gammill!

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In this written rant of a Psycho, Rose attacks Houston�s anti-terrorist Bus Safe Program manned by DHS, TSA, Metro Police, Harris County Constables, and participated by Texas Congressperson Sheila Jackson Lee. BSP was designed �to detect, prevent and address latent criminal activity or behavior� of terrorists and terrorist suspects pursuant to the pertinent provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act [under which BSP, a Pilot Project, is authorized by law].

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As usual, Psycho Rose tells Americans to resist a police officer when their bags are searched without a warrant. He bravely declared that �If he [police officer] goes for his gun, then you have the right to blow his unused brains out.��

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Obviously, Psycho hasn�t read NDAA under which a terrorist suspect can even be detained indefinitely WITHOUT due process. The need of a warrant to arrest and detain a terrorist or terrorist suspect has become antediluvian. Criminal activity or behavior is with reference to the activity and behavior [pattern of] terrorists and terrorist suspects considered dangerous to life and property.�

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Insofar as our national security laws are concerned, that�s how the rope tightens up in the neck of terrorists and terrorist suspects as the Government is becoming more and more determined to protect the safety of Americans and defeat terrorists in this war on terror.

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Consider these big words from the mouth of this wacko:

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� [I[f there was ever a people who might have the balls to stop it [to stop Texas� BSP Pilot Project], I was hoping it would be the people of Texas ��.

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Thus this mental pervert accused Texas of being spineless when no Texan showed up with his ball to stop it. Rose sounded so brave as if he is sitting on his balls that had swelled larger than that of an angry elephant.

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But when Larken Rose was facing cops sent to arrest him for committing a tax fraud, this supposedly brave man lost his balls to resist the arresting officers. Up to now Mr. Psycho believes he was innocent of the felony he was charged and he tells every retarded who listens to him that he had been subjected to a false arrest.� But was that not a golden opportunity for him to resist police officers and shoot them dead?� Was he not preaching violence -- to resist those �jackboots� and �blow� their brains out? This once again proved that this psychopath is not only a cheat but also a congenital liar and a hopeless coward.

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Psychictaxi�was kinder to him than I am when he called attention to Psycho�s insane statement to shoot cops dead. Psychictaxi said to him that it �is a knee-jerk reaction and not a reasonable thought-out response ��� There will be widows and fatherless children if anyone listens to Larken Rose�s psychopathic orgy to resist cops and shoot them dead.

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My only comment is this: My friend, all I can say is that when he wrote this piece of sssss �. calling Texas �spineless�, Larken Rose was not thinking � he was under a psychotic attack and was hallucinating. Let�s just say that he forgot to take his medicine.

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But he is not alone like a dying Piranha gasping for breath on dry land. Gammill will always be there with him to provide the aid and comfort he needs. Fish of the same thick scales swim together.

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As usual, you have nailed this issue on the head. Add to this the fact that the ladies in black robes just voted that you can be strip searched at anytime even for something as simple as a parking ticket....what will it take to get some tostecerone flowing out there? I live out of the US and would not, even if someone paid all the bills, ever move back. The only reason I'd come back is if, and when, I see the people finally stand against this monstrous idiotic government with force. I'd be proud to be a part of taking back our country.

I appreciate all that you have done to try and educate the masses and I see that slowly they are coming around...don't give up on them yet, I think that we can make a difference. I send out to my mailing list daily, a quite large consortium of strange people, and they are all beginning to get the point and are starting to become a part of those who are bucking the system.

�Well, I just wanted to say hello again, and leave a comment. Remember, my house is your house if you ever decide to head my way!�

�Take care,

Ernie

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Don't�misunderstand my comment - I'm not saying you are wrong.� I'm not even 'criticizing' if that is Ernie's cryptic point.� But I do notice that you didn't answer:

"Where is your cry for investigation into the TRAINING and PSYCOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS these Officers you so want to shoot (or have shot if you prefer)? Where is the 'Preventive Maintenance' in the social aspect of Community Involvement with LEOs? If this is a factor, why aren't you Championing the Solution?"

Sincerely,

Ed Vallejo�in Phoenix

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By the way, Psychictaxi, if you don't think I address or try to fix the underlying authoritarian indoctrination problem, you obviously haven't read "The Most Dangerous Superstition."�

Psychictaxi, what matters is the state-worship of everyone involved, including the commanders of injustice, the enforcers of injustice, and the victims of injustice. That's why I try to wake up all of the above. If enough victims of the cult of "government" wake up, they can stop it. If enough perpetrators wake up, they can stop it even more quickly with less suffering in the meantime. But tyranny is a cooperative effort: it takes the perpetrators AND the victims imagining it to be legitimate, for it to continue. Tarring and feathering "revenuers" worked. Of course, I wish those state mercenaries could have been deprogrammed, instead of tarred and feathered, just like I wish the modern unthinking jackbooted thugs would wise up, acquire some morals, and save us all a lot of trouble. But their intended victims should NOT imagine that we have any obligation to put up with tyranny in the meantime. Unfortunately, history shows that all too often, violently aggressive animalistic thugs--with or without badges--are deterred only by overwhelming violent resistance. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. If "Oathkeepers," IVAW, and others--including me, by the way--can TALK fascists into not being fascists, outstanding! And I will always continue trying to. But when that doesn't work, I won't quietly submit to tyranny in order to spare those who choose to be unthinking tools of violent aggression. To put it another way, I would really hope that some kid growing up will be raised in such a way that he doesn't WANT to break into my house and try to kill me. But if he does, it's not time for therapy and counseling; it's time for a Mossberg 12-gauge. So how many cops have you seen showing any signs of conscience, or thought, or acceptance of responsibility for their actions? I don't see many. If death or fear of death is the only thing that will deter them from being fascists, then that is what should happen.

When is it time to resist the unjustified use of force? That is an individual decision.

You want to know what the real problem here is, Larken?� I'll tell you outright.

Good men don't want to take out the fascists because they most likely will die in the encounter, and to what result?� Sure,�there would�be�x less�'bad guys' out there after the skirmish, but the dead�would be�leaving their families to fend for themselves amongst COUNTLESS bad guys masquerading as saviors, commonly known as GOVERNMENT - and this is NOT an option (at this time).

Technology has most people locked down tight enough that they can't effectively communicate to organize against tyranny without the Gestapo stepping on them.

Shooting a�'Law Enforcement Officer' for abusing the authority of his or her Office is a knee-jerk reaction and not a reasonable thought-out response.� It might have been the trick on�'them damn Revenoors' during prohibition, but these are different times and a completely different scenario.

You may be correct in your conclusion, but your delivery sucks - big time.

Where is your cry for investigation into the TRAINING and PSYCOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS these Officers you so want to shoot (or have shot if you prefer)?� Where is the 'Preventive Maintenance' in the social�aspect of Community Involvement with LEOs?� If this is a factor,�why aren't you Championing the Solution?

Ed in Phoenix����

An interesting thread on this OpEd by Mr. Rose is occurring here:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/110391-2012-04-23-man-who-resisted-police-wins-supreme-court-case.htm

"Texas!� Only two things come out of Texas, boy.� Steers and queers.� And I don't see no . . . . "

"Tucson! . . . ."

What I am finding equally interesting is that the TSA is quickly becoming the enforcement arm of all federal (and presumably soon state) bureaucracies whims and mandates. � They enforce through the blungeon and gun whatever order from non-TSA related agencies are ordered.�� I expect to see them murdering pigs� in Michigan soon and dumping raw milk in the streets of Pennsylvania.

�This makes at least two (2) states now that have been ... used by the TSA in the last six months.