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Greek Financial Crisis: It's Not About Greece Any More

First Posted: 05- 6-10 06:32 AM   |   Updated: 05- 6-10 07:15 AM

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Greece Financial Crisis

New York Times:

The Greek "rescue" package announced last weekend is dramatic, unprecedented, and far from enough to stabilize the eurozone.

The Greek government and the European Union (EU) leadership, prodded by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), are finally becoming realistic about the dire economic situation in Greece. They have abandoned previous rounds of optimistic forecasts and have now admitted to a profoundly worse situation. This new program calls for a total of 11% of GDP in terms of "fiscal adjustments" (i.e., reduction in the budget deficit; now meaning government spending cuts mostly) in 2010, 4.3% in 2011, and 2% in 2012 and 2013. The total debt to GDP ratio peaks at 149% in 2012-13 before starting a gentle glide path back down to sanity.

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The Greek "rescue" package announced last weekend is dramatic, unprecedented, and far from enough to stabilize the eurozone. The Greek government and the European Union (EU) leadership, prodded by t...
The Greek "rescue" package announced last weekend is dramatic, unprecedented, and far from enough to stabilize the eurozone. The Greek government and the European Union (EU) leadership, prodded by t...
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No, what McCain said was that we're all Grecian Formulas now.

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As an obsessive fan of Paul Krugman, it can be really frustrating to watch the rest of the world catch up with the stuff good ol' Paul K said months ago.

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Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal. At some point the so-called cross currency swaps will mature, and swell the... more >>

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mamacat   02:01 PM on 5/08/2010
In a recent NYT article, Prof. Krugman compared the Greek economy to the economy of California. He says that unlike Greece, California (where I live) is able to benefit from federal programs like Social Security that help to bring money to the State, even when tax revenues are down.

I would like to point out what I consider to be a huge flaw in Prof. Krugman's logic, with whom I am usually in agreement.

While California does indeed benefit to some extent from federal government programs, the State is harmed much more by the taxes that it pays to D.C. than by payments it receives from Washington. While the vast majority of the 50 States receive much more from Washington than what they pay in, such as New Mexico, which receives more than $2 for every dollar that it pays to Washington, on a yearly basis California (where 1/9th of Americans live) receives about 75cents for every dollar that it pays in.

Since the disparity between what Californians pay in and what they get back is so large, it is not unreasonable, I believe, to make the argument that Californians are hurt much more by the federal tax structure than they are helped. In a very real sense, California is being treated like one of the 19th century colonies of the European powers, which were fleeced for the benefit of the Europeans, and California's economy is hurt much more by Washington than it is helped.
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ko2ko2   11:32 AM on 5/08/2010
Notice how quiet France is in all this, Germany is doing all the heavy lifting...
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Rallis   08:25 AM on 5/08/2010
msbluebells   08:21 AM on 5/08/2010
Wow! I believe "thinking" people have to start generating "real wealth" as quickly as possible the world over. Trust is a big part of wealth. Therefore speak the facts the best that you can without spin. Education (even if just applied to yourself) is wealth. Good relationships with other human beings is wealth. Living within our means is wealth. And having a bit for emergencies for ourselves and others is wealth. Planting a tree is wealth. Loving and caring for children is wealth. Helping others to use their talents is wealth. Lets create a patchwork of wealth across the globe. Try to be as independent of the systems as possible. Good luck fellow humans.
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temenos   10:24 PM on 5/07/2010
Beware of Greeks gifting bear markets.
mamacat   02:04 PM on 5/08/2010
ouch
sunshine14   08:07 PM on 5/06/2010
I ask proves, Greed, can destroy not just a Nation, but the world, right? Greed creates poverty? When is enough greed enough?

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SPQR1775   05:33 PM on 5/06/2010
Now looking at Russia, Putin knew exactly what he was doing when he kick the Oligarchy out, we need that in America. Someone or a group of Bankers are trying to wreck the EU, wonder who?!
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BigBagel   09:35 AM on 5/08/2010
Kicked the oligarchs out????? They run Russia.
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Evolved Economics   03:42 PM on 5/06/2010
Greece is the US in 10 years at the pace set by the Progressives. A huge debt load created by flawed social conscience theory supported through a populist election process.

Also, look what happens when the politicians blame capitalist. The Union members kill the capitalist by setting fire to a bank. I would plead for the Democrat elistist to stop their horrific rhetoric directed at insurance companies and financial institutions. It will be too late when an employee of those companies ends up dead.
MadeandBakedintheUSA   09:34 PM on 5/06/2010
you win the dumb down contest today

that was the goal of the rants on the Senate Floor today

yet no mention of Iceand Ireland Spain Portugal

blah blah blah

Can you say GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN-

Can you say AAA ratings by USA no longer TRUSTED

Do you know what TRUST is?
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flossophy   01:09 AM on 5/07/2010
It's going to happen sooner than that.

California is just around the corner.
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Evolved Economics   08:20 PM on 5/07/2010
My prediction is Spain, Portugal, then California. All Social Democratic acting governments. They all fail eventually. They always create more poor and then leave them with nothing, absolutely nothing.
Foohog   03:35 PM on 5/06/2010
This is the direct result of decades of taking from the working person and giving to bankers.
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LINY01   03:37 PM on 5/06/2010
Exactly! I bet the market dropping is an indication of this. They fear that what the Greek people have the fortitude to do might just happen here as well.

I don't advocate violence but truly believe that we are past due a revolution.
republic4all   03:42 PM on 5/06/2010
Greece is a country that has managed to convince its people they need the government in order to survive. Not only do they need the government but they are ENTITLED to certain things.
Don't you think part of this crisis should be blamed on this entitlement attitude?
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simplyamerican   03:59 PM on 5/06/2010
Yup... the future of this country is before us
kkarkagiannis   01:07 AM on 5/07/2010
That's one of the root problems of the Greek crisis. The mentality that we Greeks are the chosen people, that the rest of the world owes us something, that they want to harm us and a view thoughts later this turn to: the (Greek) state owes me etc. The second problem is that the justice system is not working... and we all know what happens to a democratic state without justice. So you are right that this attitude, I would say mentality is to blame for our situation. Of course the truth is more complicated than that maybe some other commentator would like to add his opinion...
mamacat   04:55 PM on 5/08/2010
Since the 1990s, the richest Greeks have had their tax rate cut from 45% to 20%. Today, the Greek government is way short of money. Reminds me a lot of what is happening in this country; subsidize the rich, and cut services for everyone else.
The Realist   03:44 PM on 5/06/2010
That could not be a more incorrect statement. Obviously you are on your progressive talking points. This is an direct result of spending more then you take in and borrowing more then you take in. And now, Greece has an aging, shrinking population and the take in (Revenue...i.e. taxes) can only go up so much more to cover all the spending. And the people are rioting against spending cuts & taxes even though they have lived off that for years. You would not run your household like that would you??? If you make 50k a year you wouldn't spend 100k a year every year would you??? What do you do when you cant borrow anymore...declare bankruptcy or hit up a rich relative...well, there are only so many rich relatives when you are talking billions of dollars.
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Evolved Economics   08:10 PM on 5/06/2010
Ahhh... the voice of truth at last....fanned.

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hotbarb2614   03:34 PM on 5/06/2010
The dow fell fater the the New Years ball did on time square.
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mrspiffy   03:26 PM on 5/06/2010
Downleg 2...here we go...
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Liz DeBagara   03:21 PM on 5/06/2010
As an obsessive fan of Paul Krugman, it can be really frustrating to watch the rest of the world catch up with the stuff good ol' Paul K said months ago.
spoonerrothbard   03:36 PM on 5/06/2010
"Yes, Greece is paying the price for past fiscal irresponsibility. Yet that’s by no means the whole story. The Greek tragedy also illustrates the extreme danger posed by a deflationary monetary policy. And that’s a lesson one hopes American policy makers will take to heart."

"But what are the lessons for America? Of course, we should be fiscally responsible. What that means, however, is taking on the big long-term issues, above all health costs — not grandstanding and penny-pinching over short-term spending to help a distressed economy.

Equally important, however, we need to steer clear of deflation, or even excessively low inflation." ----Paul Krugman

Greece, or any country for that matter, has a deflationary monetary policy? hahahahahaha

Inflation, or easy money, is what caused this whole mess.
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Liz DeBagara   07:44 PM on 5/06/2010
I think the inability to deflate the currency because it was pegged to the Euro is what caused this immediate mess. And the 'whole mess' was caused by short-term profit taking at the expense of the long-term.
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gray375   02:53 PM on 5/06/2010
espana proxima morire?
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Janine547   02:50 PM on 5/06/2010
The house of cards is slowly tumbling.
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gray375   02:51 PM on 5/06/2010
Κύριε ἐλέησον
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gray375   02:48 PM on 5/06/2010
just when my retirement 401K was starting to recover the bloody greeks have killed it.

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