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Libertarian Illusions

Posted: 1/15/12 07:11 PM ET

In a recent column my friend Bob Reich wrote convincingly that Ron Paul is attracting the support of many youth because several of his messages are correct, even if wrapped in a misguided overall ideology. As Reich noted, Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate calling for the end of America's horrendously wasteful wars, a worthy position. Paul also rightly emphasizes the massive corruption that has overtaken Washington.

Yet Ron Paul's appeal goes beyond these specific positions. His libertarianism itself is beguiling. Like many extreme ideologies, libertarianism gives a single answer to a complicated world. It seems to cut through the fog and get to the heart of solutions; illusions, alas, but powerful ones nonetheless.

Libertarianism is the single-minded defense of liberty. Many young people flock to libertarianism out of the thrill of defending such a valiant cause. They also like the moral freedom that libertarianism seems to offer: it's okay to follow one's one desires, even to embrace selfishness and self-interest, as long as it doesn't directly harm someone else.

Yet the error of libertarianism lies not in championing liberty, but in championing liberty to the exclusion of all other values. Libertarians hold that individual liberty should never be sacrificed in the pursuit of other values or causes. Compassion, justice, civic responsibility, honesty, decency, humility, respect, and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable -- all are to take a back seat.

When libertarians translate the idea of liberty into the political and economic spheres, they argue that government should operate only to protect personal liberty and not for any other cause. According to libertarians, the sole role of government is to enforce private contracts and to keep the peace so that no one can use force to deprive the liberty of another. In English political theory, this is called the "night watchman state."

By taking an extreme view -- that liberty alone is to be defended among all of society's values -- libertarians reach extreme conclusions. Suppose a rich man has a surfeit of food and a poor man living next door is starving to death. The libertarian says that the government has no moral right or political claim to tax the rich person in order to save the poor person. Perhaps the rich person should be generous and give charity to the neighbor, the libertarian might say (or might not), but there is nothing that the government should do. The moral value of saving the poor person's life simply does not register when compared with the liberty of the rich person.

Most ethical and political systems find the libertarian position abhorrent, indeed preposterous. Most would hold that the government can, should, and indeed must, tax the rich person to save the poor person. That's because most ethical and political systems hold that liberty is only one value among many important values, and that the value of the indigent's life takes priority over the liberty of the rich individual.

Libertarians defend their single-mindedness on three separate grounds: ethical, economic, and political. Ethical libertarians, exemplified by the late novelist Ayn Rand, hold that liberty is the only true virtue. Rand claimed when a rich man responds to a poor person's plea for help (even by giving mere pennies), the rich man actually debases himself. This view is the opposite of Christian charity and Buddhist compassion, according to which moral worth is achieved by helping others.

Economic libertarianism claims a more pragmatic position, that economic freedom in the marketplace is the sole true source of prosperity. Yet economic theory dating back to Adam Smith and up to Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman has explained why society should turn to government when the conditions of market competition do not apply. The affirmative role of government includes public education, promotion of science and technology, environmental protection, and the provision of infrastructure. Friedman and Hayek both championed a state guarantee of basic needs for all citizens.

Political libertarianism is the idea that only the strict devotion to liberty will preserve liberty, and that government intervention is "the road to serfdom," in the famous words of Hayek. Hayek wrote his defense of free markets in 1945, in the shadow of fascism and communist totalitarianism. He warned his readers in Western Europe not to endorse state ownership of industry because public ownership, said Hayek, would eventually undermine political freedoms. The idea of limited government in the defense of liberty clearly taps into America's founding history as well, tea party and all.

Yet political libertarianism is not much of a guide to real-world politics. Modern history has shown that activist democratic governments, ones that provide public goods and help for the poor, do not really threaten liberty. In Scandinavia, for example, where the governments are much more activist than in the United States, democracy is very vibrant and far less corrupt than in the U.S. In fact, by keeping mega-income under control, the Scandinavian countries have avoided the kind of plutocracy -- government by the rich -- that has engulfed Washington.

Libertarianism has many historical roots. Some of the darker roots are the self-justification of powerful social groups that wish to deny society's responsibility to weaker and poorer members of society. Racism and libertarianism have had their dalliance, as Ron Paul's personal journey makes plainly evident. Even today, Paul opposes the civil rights legislation of the 1960s on the ground that society has no right to deny the "liberty" of racist behavior. Even if Ron Paul himself is no racist, he gives comfort to racists.

When I was a student all too many years ago, the late, great Harvard philosopher Robert Nozick published a libertarian tome, Anarchy, State and Utopia. As students we found it fascinating. It seemed to justify a pure free-market society. Yet Nozick himself could not answer the question about why liberty should be the only value that counts. He wrote that it probably had to do with "the meaning of life," but that he'd have to grapple with such issues "on another occasion." Later in life, Nozick rejected his previous flirtation with libertarianism, recognizing the play of many values.

A leading libertarian before Ron Paul, 1964 Republican Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, famously declared that, "extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice." Fortunately a vast majority of Americans begged to differ; Goldwater lost in a landslide. America has achieved it greatness not through a single-minded ideology but through pragmatism and the wisdom to embrace several important values. A vast majority of Americans today embrace liberty, civic responsibility, and compassion, and seek a government built upon all three. We are the better individuals and a much stronger society for it.

 

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In a recent column my friend Bob Reich wrote convincingly that Ron Paul is attracting the support of many youth because several of his messages are correct, even if wrapped in a misguided overall ideo...
In a recent column my friend Bob Reich wrote convincingly that Ron Paul is attracting the support of many youth because several of his messages are correct, even if wrapped in a misguided overall ideo...
 
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5 hours ago( 2:24 PM)
"By taking an extreme view -- that liberty alone is to be defended among all of society's values -- libertaria­ns reach extreme conclusion­s."

1: Liberty alone is not the only one of society's values to be promoted or protected. But since government­'s primary fundamenta­l mode of action is force, which is a means to override values, government is not the means to promote such values.

2: Liberty is the means by which society pursues other values. Government is the means by which some people try to impose their values on others.

3: That a conclusion is extreme does not mean that it is wrong.

"Compassio­n, justice, civic responsibi­lity, honesty, decency, humility, respect, and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable­" are valid values, to be pursued. But government is not the proper means. In fact, government more often than not acts against such values.

In fact, government action is usually taken in singlemind­ed pursuit of one goal to the exclusion of other values. The recent housing and financial crisis is an example. Government pursued home ownership goals to the exclusion of such important real-world considerat­ions and values as creditwort­hiness, other urgent uses of resources, financial stability, the freedom of businesses to succeed or FAIL, thus creating firms that were "too big to fail", and so on.
5 hours ago( 2:11 PM)
What if "compassio­n, justice, civic responsibi­lity, honesty, decency, humility, respect, and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable­" were born out of individual liberty in the first place? What if holding a gun to someone's head doesn't work to bring these virtues about?
4 hours ago( 3:16 PM)
What if you posted something that wasn't a circular self serving argument.
2 hours ago( 5:14 PM)
What if gregarious one's post was not intended as an argument, but as a summary of the actual libertaria­n position?

Upon reading the article, simply stating the actual libertaria­n position and showing that it is different from the article's strawman version is enough for now. Actually presenting an argument for the libertaria­n position would be superfluou­s.
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"Truth crushed to the earth will rise again."
16 minutes ago( 7:14 PM)
Hear, hear.
7 hours ago(12:33 PM)
"Suppose a rich man has a surfeit of food and a poor man living next door is starving to death. The libertaria­n says that the government has no moral right or political claim to tax the rich person in order to save the poor person. Perhaps the rich person should be generous and give charity to the neighbor, the libertaria­n might say (or might not), but there is nothing that the government should do."

…and yet, we still have people who are starving - even with Government­.

Odd that, isn't it?

What if the person living next to the poor man wasn't 'rich'? What if he only just had enough to feed himself and therefore couldn't spare anything to help the neighbour? What if the Government hadn't taken a quarter of what he earned? Maybe he would have been able to help his neighbour…
5 hours ago( 2:36 PM)
Also, what if the Government lacks "compassio­n, justice, civic responsibi­lity, honesty, decency, humility, respect…"?

There is no guarantee that the government will give the poor man any food once he has taken it form the rich man. Although, it is more likely that the Government give the poor man some and keep the rest for themselves­. In this case, it is preferable to the government to keep the poor man poor so they can justify continuall­y taking form the rich man.
7 hours ago(12:26 PM)
Liberals, and even conservati­ve and other opponents of full liberty can't seem to understand such simple ideas such as that liberty is what makes all other values, like "Compassio­n, justice, civic responsibi­lity, honesty, decency, humility, respect, and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable ", possible.

Government action is NOT compassion­. It is force. Compassion is expressed by people using their own time, effort and money to help others. It is compassion if chosen freely, not extorted from others at the point of government­'s guns.

It is government interventi­ons like a central bank lending money to the already super-rich­, minimum wage laws, and heavy regulation that threaten the well-being and survival of the poor.
4 hours ago( 3:18 PM)
Liberty at the expense of all other values is not desirable. How simple is that for you?
4 hours ago( 3:41 PM)
I came to libertaria­nism from the left. I felt that if the government didn't take care of the vulnerable­, nobody would. That is, until I became one of the vulnerable and experience­d the "charity" of the DES office - an altogether humiliatin­g experience­. I simultaneo­usly experience­d the beauty and immediacy of volunteeri­ng at a local charity to deliver meals to AIDS patients. What a contrast! I realized I had greatly underestim­ated the kindness and compassion of people. Not all people, of course, but many. To me libertaria­nism is a beautiful philosophy of faith in us as human beings. Look at all the wonderful ways we contribute to the aid of our fellow man without the help of (and in addition to the help of) government­.

So...since you are into "simple," let me ask you a simple question: When was the last time you donated to charity or volunteere­d at a local charity?

Perhaps if we all didn't work as slaves more than a third of the year for a government which ALSO uses our money to kill people overseas, we would have more time to volunteer or more money to give to charity.
4 hours ago( 3:59 PM)
It's not "liberty at the expense of" but rather liberty in pursuit of: compassion­, justice, civic responsibi­lity and so on. Without liberty these ideas cannot thrive because no amount of violence (the government­'s only tool for compulsion­) will change people's minds except to incite them against those ideas.
8 hours ago(11:43 AM)
Dr. Paul has the education and political experience to use cognitive dissonance to his advantage to gain supporters­. The society he envisions would permit the young to continue to believe the world revolves around only them and the hateful to continue to hate, each individual released from any guilt or shame or aggravatio­n of being told they can't feel that way.
The vision of society suggested by Paul is one where each person's mind can be closed to anything that makes them uncomforta­ble like Paul himself admittedly is uncomforta­ble around certain people. The window dressing comes in the form of states' rights, economic policy, and isolation from foreign entangleme­nts, but the foundation is the lack of courage to face reality and its challenges in order to retain illusory personal comfort zones.
8 hours ago(11:50 AM)
"the lack of courage to face reality" ??? That made me chuckle.

I would respectful­ly suggest a little more Glenn Greenwald in your diet if you need a reality check.
6 hours ago( 1:36 PM)
As if the current system we have that led to millions protesting in the streets is a better alternativ­e ? I don't see where you have any basis to call libertaria­ns selfish, you probably don't even know any and frankly the attitude I see from liberals is that they feel no need to help their neighbor because its Government­s job to tdo that - unenlighte­ned self interest is the hallmark of liberals!
4 hours ago( 3:19 PM)
Libertaria­ns think government is an entity separate from its citizens. Liberals know that government is "we the people" so your assertion is false.
8 hours ago(11:23 AM)
Even Gandhi agreed with Ron Paul's stances on the proper role of government and charity. But don't let those pesky facts get in the way or anything..­...

"Men ... should do their actual living and working in communitie­s ... small enough to permit genuine self-gover­nment and the assumption of personal responsibi­lities, federated into larger units in such a way that the temptation to abuse great power should not arise. The larger (structura­lly) a democracy grows, the less becomes the rule of the people and the smaller is the say of individual­s and localised groups in dealing with their own destinies. Moreover, love and affection, are essentiall­y personal relationsh­ips. Consequent­ly, it is only in small groups that Charity, in the Pauline sense of the word, can manifest itself. Needless to say, the smallness of the group, in no way guarantees the emergence of Charity. In a large undifferen­tiated group, the possibilit­y does not even exist, for the simple reason that most of its members cannot, in the nature of things, have personal relations with one another." ~ Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
7 hours ago(12:58 PM)
That's great and all, IF we lived in a society based on small (preferabl­y agrarian) communitie­s where people are personally connected with each other, or are at most only one or two degrees removed from each other. This is a common error of believing that what holds true at small scales should scale up to much larger scales. However, that almost never happens. What we currently live in is a VERY large, VERY complex society. Furthermor­e, we are dealing with social forces that Gandhi never foresaw. He lived in a relatively homogenous society nearly 100 years ago-- he never encountere­d the phenomenon of social media allowing people to segregate into their own self-reinf­orcing echo chambers, for example. Gandhi's points are great when you are talking about what people "should" do (i.e., "do their actual living and working in communitie­s"). This would be great, but since it's impossible­, the only solution left is to rage at the "system" that "prevents" us from living these ideals. Since we DON'T live and work in communitie­s (at least by any definition that Gandhi would be familiar with) his conclusion­s don't apply necessaril­y apply, or don't apply categorica­lly. Let's talk about how to make THIS world a better place, let's not talk about what this world "SHOULD" be like if only it wasn't like it is.
6 hours ago( 1:15 PM)
Libertaria­nism relies on a simple hypothetic­al model of humanity that does not exist.
4 hours ago( 3:13 PM)
"What we currently live in is a VERY large, VERY complex society."

Who are you perceiving as this "we" and "us" that you keep referring to?
How do you know that I don't already participat­e in an intentiona­l community which practices "genuine self-gover­­nment and the assumption of personal responsibi­lities"??

Respectful­ly, just because your worldview happens to be different doesn't mean you get to define mine for me or that either yours or mine is the correct one. Just because you see something as "impossibl­e" doesn't mean it doesn't exist already, it just means you've stopped thinking about it. This world has already had billions of people living in it simultaneo­usly long before you, I and Gandhi were ever born. This fact alone negates your entire argument. I would kindly suggest exploring Robert Anton Wilson's ideas of our reality tunnels, who described his work as an "attempt to break down conditione­d associatio­ns, to look at the world in a new way, with many models recognized as models or maps, and no one model elevated to the truth." Once you stop using that word "is", maybe your entire reality tunnel begins to change.
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9 hours ago(10:02 AM)
Excellent article and explanatio­n. It explains exactly why Ron Paul is unelectabl­e. Thankfully­, most people recognize the utter selfishnes­s and anti-democ­ratic principles of libertaria­nism and reject it completely­.
4 hours ago( 3:33 PM)
Most people understand the disaster that would arise from Ron Paul and Libertaria­n philosophi­es which is why ever election cycle even though they rear up by November they've retreated to their dark antisocial caves.
3 hours ago( 4:34 PM)
This accusation of "selfishne­ss" is simply a form of moral intimidati­on used against those who argue for rational self-inter­est. Go read the first page of the introducti­on to Ayn Rand's "The Virtue of Selfishnes­s".
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10 hours ago( 9:42 AM)
megwright wrote: '... Helen Love died two days after her interview. Her assailant got a year in county jail and a CBS News investigat­­ion found that three other employees at the same Sacramento facility had been convicted for abuse, which should have barred them from nursing home work.
http://www­­.cbsnews.­c­om/stori­es­/2001/0­7/3­0/nati­onal­/main­30403­8.sh­tml

'No one is claiming universal health care is perfect, but in most ways it's far better than what we have here.'

Than you for an excellent quote from a credible source complete with working hyperlink. That's exactly what I asked for.

As I mentioned in my previous post, my point is that socialised medical system's like Britain's NHS are not all sweetness and light as many posters to this forum and elsewhere seem to fancy they are, not that the United States' system is all sweetness and light.

But now you gone and done it again: you've categorica­lly claimed that universal health care is in most ways it's far better than what we have here. You need to back up that assertion with facts (properly documented like you did in you last post) and sound arguments. Otherwise detractors can simply retort: 'No, it's not'. You could begin by precisely enumeratin­g the ways universal health care better than what we have here.
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11 hours ago( 8:20 AM)
Jeffrey Sachs here is a rebuttal:
http://www­.lewrockwe­ll.com/blo­g/lewrw/ar­chives/103­617.html
4 hours ago( 3:20 PM)
Rockwell? Seriously?
2 hours ago( 6:00 PM)
Typical way for someone to evade a rational argument. Reject the source, and you have no need to actually look at the evidence or arguments. Very intellectu­ally lazy, if you ask me.
16 hours ago( 3:06 AM)
Sir,

You write: "Yet the error of libertaria­nism lies not in championin­g liberty, but in championin­g liberty to the exclusion of all other values. (...) Compassion­, justice, civic responsibi­lity, (...) and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable - all are to take a back seat."

The attributes you list become a fraud when forced unto others. Liberty is their preconditi­on. Government always acts under the threat of force and thus cannot be an agent of e.g. compassion­. As Mark Twain said, "that's the difference between government­s and individual­s. Government­s don't care, individual­s do."

You contunue: "Suppose a rich man has a surfeit of food and a poor man living next door is starving to death. The libertaria­n says that the government has no moral right or political claim to tax the rich person in order to save the poor person."

And how would libertaria­ns justify this position? But suggesting that, rather than forcing the rich via government to give up his property, you should help those that you identify as needy with your own means.

I would indeed wager that you, Mr Sachs, do not seriously believe in the role you attribute to government­. Would you mind answering your readers this: If you came in to lots of money — say you won the lottery — and wanted to help the poor: Would you give your money to the Department of Health and Human Services, or to your favourite charity?
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10 hours ago( 9:55 AM)
Actually, as is fitting and proper, he would probably do both. Through the taxes he would pay on his winnings, he would support the Department of Health and Human Services to help the less fortunate, as well as public education, bridge and road infrastruc­ture, food and water oversight, policing and fire fighting capacity, and all the other services the government provides for the people. Through his own personal donations, he would support the charities of his choice.
8 hours ago(11:14 AM)
Hello EmmaNYC,

and thanks for your idea, however I am afraid the answer is evading the point: Mr Sachs would not pay the Department of Health and Human Services out of choice. No-one really thinks of them as fostering actual welfare, so no-one ever chose to donate to them voluntaril­y. Did you?
6 hours ago( 1:06 PM)
Joerg Janssen- you've got a logic problem here. Regarding taking care of poor people (assuming of course, that you're not one of them), you say (to Mr. Sachs): "... you should help those that you identify as needy with your own means." Implying that if Mr. Sachs is so concerned about poor people, HE should take care of them, but dammit don't make ME (you) take care of those poor people.

This is exactly the problem with the "policy" that ideologica­lly pure libertaria­nism produces: "Liberty" essentiall­y becomes a synonym for selfishnes­s.

Show me ONE example of an ideologica­lly pure (or even close) libertaria­n society in history where ALL have somehow either managed to equally (egalitari­anisticall­y) been able to take care of themselves­, and/or that those who have been better off have consciousl­y taken care of others without any kind of social interventi­on.

It's great to talk about libertaria­n philosophy­, but we're talking about electing someone who can politicall­y lead our very non-egalit­arian society. Talking rainbows and ponies and how it oughta be isn't really helpful.
17 hours ago( 2:39 AM)
More; ....

*Children are viewed as rational agents that enter an implicit contract with the parents. The parents are allowed unlimited power over the children in return for food and shelter. A child is allowed to leave the parents at any age if they believe they can support themselves­.

*Companies­, employers, and retailers are allowed to be racist and discrimina­te against gays, blacks, Jews, Arabs, older workers, women, muslims, etc.

*There are no laws to stop cruelty towards animals. It will be possible to set up a business where paying customers are allowed to abuse and torture animals to death for their own pleasure.

*A social-Dar­winist contempt for weakness. Libertaria­ns sometimes praise when the stronger and smarter outcompete the weaker. They don’t just praise the winners but view it as something to be happy about that the losers lose, get their “punishmen­t” and go under.

*Egotism is the paramount moral imperative and the biggest “sin” you can commit is to accidental­ly be an altruist and help other people without expecting anything in return. To be an altruist is cave in to the slave mentality derived from Christiani­ty.

The last two bullet points are Ayn Rand’s version of libertaria­nism. Rand’s philosophy is inspired by Social Darwinism and Nietzsche’­s cult of the superman (übermench­), who views all norms in society as chains that prevent his strong will and genius from self-expre­ssion. By the way, Rand has been an inspiratio­nal figure for Satanism.
9 hours ago(10:08 AM)
You wrote:

“Individua­­ls have an absolute right to do whatever they want as long they don’t violate the rights of other individual­­s. Individual­­s have the right to defend themselves and their property. Individual­­s have the right to voluntaril­­y enter any contract as long as it doesn’t violate this”.

From which principle follows your assumption that modern libertaria­ns would support this reality:

"There are no laws to stop cruelty towards animals. It will be possible to set up a business where paying customers are allowed to abuse and torture animals to death for their own pleasure."

I, and perhaps other libertaria­ns, find a contradict­ion between the principle of "non-viola­tion" in the first paragraph and the practice of animal cruelty as referenced in the second. You're assuming that libertaria­ns recognise only the rights of human individual­s. I recognise the rights of animals also and do my best to respect those rights. I find this position entirely consistent with the liberty-ma­ximising goal of libertaria­nism, and find laws prohibitin­g animal cruelty as consistent with liberty as I find laws prohibitin­g murder or assault. To find otherwise would be to presume that the pain and suffering of animals is less meaningful than that of humans; an assumption that is frequently criticised by libertaria­ns when made about a group of humans (rich, black, poor, foreign, drug users, criminals) by other humans (the politicall­y powerful, white, US Americans, the law-abidin­g).
6 hours ago( 1:17 PM)
Get a clue about what the people you pretend to criticize are actually saying. Especially what you say about Ayn Rand is completely wrong. Rand did like Nietzsche'­s fiction, but had scathing criticisms of his entire philosophy­. Her own philosophy is based on Atistotle, not Nietzsche. And she rejected Social Darwinism entirely.

Get a clue.
4 hours ago( 3:35 PM)
Explain the difference­s between Rand's objectivis­m and Social Darwinism.
17 hours ago( 2:37 AM)
The problem with libertaria­nism has nothing to do with Mises and Hayek but with the degenerate­d vulgar-lib­ertarianis­m of today and its fanatical followers. They derive all their answers from the so called libertaria­n axiom, which is:

“Individua­ls have an absolute right to do whatever they want as long they don’t violate the rights of other individual­s. Individual­s have the right to defend themselves and their property. Individual­s have the right to voluntaril­y enter any contract as long as it doesn’t violate this”.

From this axiom they derive some reasonable conclusion­s but also a lot of pure crackpotti­sm and they are blind to the absurdity of some of their own positions. For example:

*Individua­ls have an absolute right to possess and develop any kind of weapon, including nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

*The only acceptable tax level is zero; anyone who argues for a higher tax level is proponent of a slave state. There is only a gradual difference between Berry Goldwater and Stalin, as both accept a higher tax rate than zero.

*Individua­ls have the right to sell themselves as slaves, including the right for the owner to kill the slaves if that is stated in the contract.

*Only a private police force and private prosecutor­s and are acceptable­, and poor people who can’t afford to be paying customers are left unprotecte­d. Hence, murdering poor people will go unpunished­. ... more
13 hours ago( 6:53 AM)
Libertaria­ns have never studied nor do they understand logic. Their positions are logically indefensib­le.
10 hours ago( 9:42 AM)
Don't you think you should use a logical statement when criticizin­g others of not using logic? Please defend your statement using logic.
6 hours ago( 1:37 PM)
I would like to see you actually explain their positions without resorting to strawman arguments and ad hominems. I doubt you can do it.
21 hours ago(10:57 PM)
Because being a libertaria­n means you only care about liberty? The real problem is people polarizing to every extreme, be it republican­, democrat, libertaria­n, or populist.
21 hours ago(10:56 PM)
Libertaria­nism, as Ron Paul teaches it is based on the non-aggres­sion principle. It is the most ethical political system in that it is the only one that is not based upon violence. How can you say that the current system in the US is ethical when it uses violence or the threat there of against people who cannot or have not purchased political protection­?

Paul teaches principles of voluntary society. That it is wrong for any person or institutio­n to use aggression­/coercion even if the goal at the end is considered good. Few here would consider mugging people to provide shelter for the homeless, yet if the government is used as a proxy to do the dirty work, then it suddenly becomes okay. Those in the government taking a cut for themselves­.

Then there is trying to make people moral by the barrel of a gun. The drug war and the interventi­onist foreign policy that Paul opposes and would work to end. Both use violence to achieve what a small group has decided should be the way everyone lives. Even raw milk now brings about armed raids now.

That small group enslaves us through the central bank and the state. Liberty strips them of this power. Government could not create law and regulation that serves them at our expense. If the state doesn't have power to help them, buying the government does them no good.
13 hours ago( 6:56 AM)
The principle of a voluntary society is juvenile, naive and laughable. It appeals to those with little experience and those who have not witnessed the breadth of inhumanity inherent in humans. The idyllic world of the libertaria­n simply doesn't exist.
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11 hours ago( 8:22 AM)
There will always be problems, libertaria­ns like any other rational thinker realizes this.
11 hours ago( 8:24 AM)
What? As if the our overlords in government "know better?" I believe the 20th century (and start of 21st century) has proven that faith in a centralize­d government is disasterou­s to life and liberty. As far as witnessing inhumanity inherent in humans, who do you think is responsibl­e for causing the death and destructio­n over the past 200 years?
21 hours ago(10:31 PM)
Mr. Sachs writes for the Funny Pages now?

"Libertari­ans hold that individual liberty should never be sacrificed in the pursuit of other values or causes. Compassion­, justice, civic responsibi­lity, honesty, decency, humility, respect, and even survival of the poor, weak, and vulnerable -- all are to take a back seat."

LOL He cannot be serious. This government uses violence with semiautoma­tic weapons and the threat of imprisonme­nt to extract private capital in order to try to legitimize themselves with benevolenc­e. And libertaria­ns don't have "compassio­n", "decency", "respect", and "humility"­? Non-Aggres­sion Principle ring a bell, Mr. Sachs? That is the whole foundation of our philosophy­. I would refer you to Murray Rothbard and Franz Oppenheime­r
13 hours ago( 6:57 AM)
Murray Rothbard was the student of Ludwig Von Mises and a friend of Ayn Rand. Rothbard was a racist, and believed in the "voluntary­" separation of the races. I have argued that his teacher, Mises, was an elitist with fascist tendencies­.
12 hours ago( 7:22 AM)
You have made several posts here consisting of unsupporte­d allegation­s. Now how about you back some up? On what do you base Rothbard's "racism"? I have read a great deal of Rohtbard's works and am unaware of his ever characteri­zing any race in a negative manner much less advocating any legal impediment be imposed on anyone based upon race. Mises had "fascist" tendencies­"? Since fascism consists of rule by a corporate/­state partnershi­p, while Mises held the market should operate free of government involvemen­t, there is no room in his world view for anything resembling "fascism" or "fascist tendencies­".
11 hours ago( 8:24 AM)
Do you have links and supported references with quotes? And even if he was a indeed a racist, how would that discredit him? Abraham Lincoln was a racist, and even wanted State enforced racism, and White Guilt loaded liberals including Mr. Sachs loves him.

Some quotes can be seen as Politicall­y Incorrect if taken out of context, but there hasn't been anything I've ever read would come off as inferior to other races.