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I've been seeing a lot of Fleischer cartoons lately, mainly Popeyes and they're tons of fun!
A problem I have with many cartoons today is that they're too linear and literal, they've been influenced by animated sitcoms and feel the need to explain everything and have it make sense.
One of the many things I really like about Fleischers is that they're all flights of fancy where crazy things happen
Love your blog and work John. I've been a fan for years!
I know you can't stand most main stream animation that is being done today. But are there any cartoon shows, comics or Animators currently that you like? Also, what do you think of the current Japanese/Asian influences in cartoons and character designs? Does the art style interest you at all or do you enjoy the writing/stories more?
I personally liked Satoshi Kon's (who did Paprika, Perfect Blue, Tokyo Godfather's) films better than Miyazaki who is getting really popular thanks to Disney.
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Hey John, a while ago i did a post on an early Lantz Oswald short called "Hells Heels", my favorite Oswald short. Can you look at my post and give me your thoughts?
"These are great. Ive seen very few of these fleischer cartoons."
Archie and everyone else who is referring to these two frame-grabs in John's current post as being "Fleischer cartoons" : these are NOT Fleischer cartoons.
I'm pretty sure that these are frame grabs from the Walter Lantz version of Oswald the Rabbit , which was originally made by Walt Disney for producer Charles Mintz who then released them through Universal. Just do some Googling for "Oswald Disney Mintz" and you can read the well-known story of how the cigar-chewing old skinflint producer Mintz backed the ambitious, idealistic young Disney into a corner , told him he had to accept less money for the second series of Oswald cartons or he (Mintz) would steal away all of Disney's animators and take the character away from Disney , thereby ruining Disney if he didn't play by Mintz's rules.
Disney promptly said "F_ _ _ you" to Mintz and went on to make a new character , with Ub Iwerks, called Mickey Mouse (maybe you've heard of him ... I hope ... y'know , Mickey Mouse?) The rest is history.
Anyway, Mintz did lure away much of Disney's staff who went on to do other things after Mintz (that's another story in itself) , and eventually Universal took the Oswald character away from Mintz and had the Oswald cartoons made for them by Walter Lantz.
So, again, I believe the frame grabs shown here are from Lantz-era Oswald cartoons.
Not Fleischer. Ok ?
A pretty good book to get straight on all this is Leonard Maltin's "Of Mice and Magic" . Maltin's is not the last word on everything and on some things people may disagree with Maltin's opinions (I expect John K. does in many instances) but it's a good basic primer on the history of Hollywood cartoons.
The very earliest cartoons were NOT influenced by radio sit-coms. Therefore they lean heavily on sight gags--the more impossible, the better. Almost everything that came from the late 30s and ESPECIALLY in the 1940s and later were very heavily influenced by radio scripts. This is why you can turn off the picture in many cartoons and still follow the story just fine.
I just thought of something concerning timing and spacing. Watching a bit of Adventure Time, a considerable amount is animated on ones and twos, it probably has one of the highest budgets ever given by CN. And yet it doesn't look as good as it could, precisely because it moves in the same even way as this clip here.
You've definitely had experience with television production John, how much do you think it would bunge up the process of making a cartoon if someone decides to be a little more persnickety with the timing and spacing to make the limited budget they have count? If all you can do are threes and fours, is it worth it?
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These are great. Ive seen very few of these fleischer cartoons. Glad to see posts about them :)
Cheers John
Is the almost-essential ingrediant: near-rape scene?
I've been seeing a lot of Fleischer cartoons lately, mainly Popeyes and they're tons of fun!
A problem I have with many cartoons today is that they're too linear and literal, they've been influenced by animated sitcoms and feel the need to explain everything and have it make sense.
One of the many things I really like about Fleischers is that they're all flights of fancy where crazy things happen
Molesting women in cartoons.
Love your blog and work John. I've been a fan for years!
I know you can't stand most main stream animation that is being done today. But are there any cartoon shows, comics or Animators currently that you like? Also, what do you think of the current Japanese/Asian influences in cartoons and character designs? Does the art style interest you at all or do you enjoy the writing/stories more?
I personally liked Satoshi Kon's (who did Paprika, Perfect Blue, Tokyo Godfather's) films better than Miyazaki who is getting really popular thanks to Disney.
Hail to the Kilted Yaksmen!! :D
Get your dose of corporate humor. Meet Mr. Konundrum & his imaginary friend Mr. Komon Sen in SHRM India's weekly webcomic 'Life of Mr. Konundrum'. http://on.fb.me/lifeofkonundrum
Hey John, a while ago i did a post on an early Lantz Oswald short called "Hells Heels", my favorite Oswald short. Can you look at my post and give me your thoughts?
http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/08/my-favorite-oswald-rabbit-cartoon-hells.html
Everybody's calling these Fleischer cartoons. Wasn't Oswald a creation of Ub Iwerks and Walt Disney?
Making the impossible possible.
Archie said:
"These are great. Ive seen very few of these fleischer cartoons."
Archie and everyone else who is referring to these two frame-grabs in John's current post as being "Fleischer cartoons" : these are NOT Fleischer cartoons.
I'm pretty sure that these are frame grabs from the Walter Lantz version of Oswald the Rabbit , which was originally made by Walt Disney for producer Charles Mintz who then released them through Universal. Just do some Googling for "Oswald Disney Mintz" and you can read the well-known story of how the cigar-chewing old skinflint producer Mintz backed the ambitious, idealistic young Disney into a corner , told him he had to accept less money for the second series of Oswald cartons or he (Mintz) would steal away all of Disney's animators and take the character away from Disney , thereby ruining Disney if he didn't play by Mintz's rules.
Disney promptly said "F_ _ _ you" to Mintz and went on to make a new character , with Ub Iwerks, called Mickey Mouse (maybe you've heard of him ... I hope ... y'know , Mickey Mouse?) The rest is history.
Anyway, Mintz did lure away much of Disney's staff who went on to do other things after Mintz (that's another story in itself) , and eventually Universal took the Oswald character away from Mintz and had the Oswald cartoons made for them by Walter Lantz.
So, again, I believe the frame grabs shown here are from Lantz-era Oswald cartoons.
Not Fleischer. Ok ?
A pretty good book to get straight on all this is Leonard Maltin's "Of Mice and Magic" . Maltin's is not the last word on everything and on some things people may disagree with Maltin's opinions (I expect John K. does in many instances) but it's a good basic primer on the history of Hollywood cartoons.
The very earliest cartoons were NOT influenced by radio sit-coms. Therefore they lean heavily on sight gags--the more impossible, the better. Almost everything that came from the late 30s and ESPECIALLY in the 1940s and later were very heavily influenced by radio scripts. This is why you can turn off the picture in many cartoons and still follow the story just fine.
Lol!.. I love how the guessing still continues.
I just thought of something concerning timing and spacing. Watching a bit of Adventure Time, a considerable amount is animated on ones and twos, it probably has one of the highest budgets ever given by CN. And yet it doesn't look as good as it could, precisely because it moves in the same even way as this clip here.
You've definitely had experience with television production John, how much do you think it would bunge up the process of making a cartoon if someone decides to be a little more persnickety with the timing and spacing to make the limited budget they have count? If all you can do are threes and fours, is it worth it?
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