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10:01: “That was a statement I probably should not have made.” — Herman Cain on CNBC post-debate interview

10:00: “I’m glad I have my boots on because I sure stepped in it tonight.” — Rick Perry in spin room

9:55: It never gets old. Watch it again.

9:52: Here’s an idea for taking care of high frequency trading that none of the candidates will endorse: a financial transactions tax!

9:51: Michele Bachmann just called the Chinese People’s Liberation Army the world’s biggest employer. Not true!

9:37: 9-9-9 fatigue: Audience laughs when Cain’s answer to a specific question about California hiring a Chinese company to rebuild the Oakland Bay Bridge is the 9-9-9 plan.

9:31: Fifteen minutes later, Rick Perry’s brain clicks in. “By the way, it was the Department of Energy that I was reaching for before,” he reveals.

9:30: Quote of the night: “Oops.”

Rick Perry: “Commerce, education, and the umm, what’s the third one there? Let’s see… The third agency of government I would do away with – education, uh the, commerce, and let’s see, I can’t. The third one I can’t. Sorry. Oops.”

9:24: Romney again says he’d link pay of public employees to that of private-sector workers. As we’ve reported numerous times, that would require giving many public employees a raise.

9:22: Romney proposes cutting 10 percent of the federal workforce, which translates to nearly 500,000 jobs. At least 600,000 government workers have already lost their jobs since the recession began, dragging down the recovery and keeping national unemployment higher than it needs to be.

9:22: Gingrich points to Galveston’s privatized retirement program as an alternative to Social Security. The Galveston program works really well for the rich and not well at all for everyone else.

9:20: Let’s not let pass that Perry’s plan to cut the Commerce Department, the Education Department, and a department to be named later would mean an end to the federal student loan program.

9:18: The Highlight Of Tonight’s Debate: Perry couldn’t even name the three federal departments he wanted to eliminate — could only name Commerce and Education. Paul suggested there are five; Romney suggested the EPA. Perry said, no that’s not it, but couldn’t name the third. Some one get him some maple syrup.

9:16: Perry says his tax plan will let Americans “keep more of what you work for.” Actually, it would raise taxes on most middle-class and low-income families.

9:06: The candidates will address lowering the deficit after the break. Remember that they all support repealing the Affordable Care Act, which will increase the deficit by $230 billion over 10 years.

9:03: Romney says he believes “markets work”, but his Massachusetts health care reform plan regulates health insurers and requires that they offer basic comprehensive coverage precisely because the free market wasn’t working in the state.

9:01: Bachmann says the key to health care is lowering costs. One key to her version of health reform: tort reform, which experts say would have minimal impact, if any at all, on health costs.

9:00: Bachmann’s solution to let people buy coverage “anywhere they want” won’t work: insurers would simply cherry pick the healthiest applicants and deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. That’s part of the reason why so many Americans have a hard time finding individual coverage today.

8:59: The GOP’s health care solutions are bogus: sending Medicaid “back to the states” and reducing the federal contribution would force states to reduce the size of their Medicaid programs by cutting payment rates for doctors, hospitals or nursing homes; reducing the scope of benefits covered; or limiting eligibility,” the Congressional Budget Office has found.

8:57: Cain just called Nancy Pelosi “Princess Nancy” — because condescending to women is a smart move for him right now.

8:55: Huntsman came into office with a “goal of halving the state’s ranks of uninsured.” At the end of his term, “The state’s uninsured rate remained steady at 11 percent in 2010, meaning 300,000 Utahns went without coverage.”

8:54: Huntsman calls for “some kind of fee” that banks should have to pay for being too big. So he presumably supports the Obama administration’s bank tax?

8:53: CNBC questioner asks each candidate to explain how they would fix the health care markets in “30 seconds.” The fact that major media figures actually think that question can be answered in 30 seconds is a big reason why our health care debate is so broken. (“Health care in 30 seconds is a little tough,” Romney concedes later.)

8:52: Pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into bankruptcy right now, as several candidates want to do, would have absolutely catastrophic consequences for the housing market.

8:50: Defending his consulting work for Fannie Mae, Newt Gingrich emphatically said he doesn’t lobby. ThinkProgress has dug into Gingrich’s long history as an unregistered lobbyist for various corporations. We first reported on his influence peddling on behalf of health insurers, medical IT companies, and other health care interests, in a post last year.

8:50: Cain’s solution to the housing crisis is (do we even need to say it?): 999!

8:47: Perry says “Obamacare regulations” are “killing” the economy. President Obama’s health reform law provides regulations to stop health insurers from refusing to pay for dying customers. Saving lives will kill the economy, in Perry’s view.

8:46: Romney attacked Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for causing the housing crisis. He’s profiting from an investment in the firms.

8:46: Romney revives the conservative zombie lie that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Chris Dodd, and Barney Frank caused the housing crisis.

8:44: Romney says that the best thing you can do for the housing crisis is to fix the economy. Like Detroit, Romney wants to let housing go bankrupt.

8:38: While we’re focused on the economy, it’s worth remembering: A survey of economics professors said today that these GOP candidates would fail their Econ 101 classes.

8:38: Ron Paul warns about the looming specter of inflation during a screed against the Federal Reserve. For the record, inflation is incredibly low.

8:37: Michele Bachmann lays out her McDonald’s Happy Meal tax plan: “So even if it means paying the price of two Happy Meals a year, everyone can afford to pay at least that.”

8:36: Bachmann says it’s a “real problem” that lots Americans don’t pay any federal income taxes. These people do pay other taxes, like state, local, and federal payroll taxes, and they include lots of retired seniors.

8:35: In other news, the Country Music Awards opened with a joke about Hank Williams comparing Obama to Hitler. Then, Williams comes out and gets a raucous standing ovation.

8:34: Romney says he would “focus a substantial tax break on middle-income families.” His tax plan would give literally no benefit to 73.9 percent of middle-class families.

8:32: Cain says his 9-9-9 plan is “fair” because it “treats everyone the same.” In reality, Cain’s plan gives the top 1% of earners a $210,000 tax cut, while giving the bottom 60% a $2,000 tax hike.

8:32: It took 32 minutes for Herman Cain to mention his “999″ tax plan.

8:29: Santorum said that fracking natural gas in Pennsylvania is one of the his most important priorities. He did not mention, however, that until earlier this year he consulted for Consol Energy — a major fracking and coal company in Pennsylvania.

8:28: Gingrich slams “most of the people on Occupy Wall Street” for failing “to have a clue about history.” Historically, “this is the richest country in the world because corporations create both profit and jobs.” He slams the media for not reporting accurately about the economy. Asked how the media is failing, Gingrich complains that’s a statement in the form of a question.

8:27: Huntsman reiterates that banks are too big. In October, he said he wanted to “return to the spirit” of the Glass-Steagall Act, which created a firewall between banks and other financial institutions.

8:27: Romney wants to help profitable businesses hire workers. He often cites his business resume for the presidency, and yet his record at CEO of Bain Capital was one where he helped companies lay off thousands of workers. While Romney was governor, Massachussetts ranked 47th in job growth.

8:26: Romney asserts that Barack Obama and Democrats “hate business” and don’t want businesses to profit. In two and a half years under Obama, Wall Street traders have profited more than they did in 8 years under George W. Bush.

8:26: Asked if corporations should have a social responsibility to hire people or if corporations should simply maximize profit, Romney dodges. Romney, who fired thousands while at Bain, simply said he thinks corporations should do “both” — then attacked Obama.

8:25: Huntsman says it is “unnatural” for Americans to be outraged about income inequality.

8:24: The audience boos again when Romney is asked about the accusations against Cain, applauds when he refuses to discuss it. When CNBC switches topics back to the economy, the crowd applauds.

8:22: CNBC moderator Bartiromo brings up the sexual assault allegations against Herman Cain and gets boos from the audience. He calls the claim “unfounded,” and audience erupts in applause. “For every one person who comes forward with this type of false accusation, there are a thousand who say that kind of behavior would never come from Herman Cain.”

8:21: Bachmann and Santorum accuse the administration of over regulating industry, but President Barack Obama has actually signed fewer regulations than President George W. Bush had at this point in his presidency.

8:20: Santorum pledges to give a windfall tax holiday on corporate profits made in other countries. He didn’t mention, however, that the lobbying firm that he consults for, the American Continentel Group, works on behalf of Microsoft on the issue of tax repatriation.

8:19: Bachmann says the U.S. has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. That is true on paper, but in practice, due to all the loopholes and tax havens, the U.S. actually has the second lowest corporate taxes in the developed world.

8:18: Gingrich points to two cycles in his lifetime — under President Ronald Reagan and Gingrich’s Contract For America — in which the policy was lower tax rates. Of course, Reagan raised taxes seven out of his eights years in office.

8:17: Gingrich says Ben Bernanke should be fired as soon as possible. Again, the president can’t do that.

8:16: Rick Perry joins the “banks are too big” party that has become newly popular in the GOP: “If banks are too big to fail, they’re too big.” Does that mean he will force big banks to dismantle themselves?

8:15: Romney has been on all sides of the auto bailout. Here is what he told Cavuto in November of 2008: “And so, as the government prepares to put in billions of dollars to that industry, let’s make sure that, as part of this effort, that we invest in companies that are newly streamlined, more economic, more efficient, and that we’ve really created a bright future for the American automobile sector.”

8:14: Romney said he’s a man of “steadiness and constancy,” cites the length of his marriage. He almost forgets how long he’s been married (25, um, no 42 years).

8:11: Huntsman seems to support breaking up big banks, joining a recent GOP trend: “As long we have banks that are too big to fail in this country, we’re going to get hurt. … We need to get back to a day and age in which we have properly sized and financed financial institutions.”

8:11: Jon Huntsman says six banks in the U.S. have assets equal to 66 percent of the nation’s GDP. He’s right.

8:10: In response to question about how to prevent Italian economic crisis from blowing up our economy, every single candidate has claimed that America will become Italy. Zero of them offered a solution to keep Italy from blowing up the U.S. economy.

8:08: Moderator Jim Cramer asks a question premised on his position “at the front lines” of the stock market. For the record, following his stock advice is slightly worse than picking stocks by flipping coins.

8:06: Herman Cain’s solutions are simple: “we have to grow the economy” and “a dollar has to be a dollar.”

8:04: Another contributing moderator — Jim Cramer. “This is the most, greatest wealth destruction I’ve seen by a president.”

8:03: Thank you, CNBC — the moderators dispense with the usual introductions by the candidates and get straight to the questions.

8:01: One of the contributing moderators of tonight’s debate is Rick Santelli. Yes, that Santelli. “President Obama, are you listening?

7:58: Tonight’s debate is taking place in Michigan, so it’s worth reminding everyone of the time Mitt Romney penned an op-ed urging the government to “let Detroit go bankrupt.”

Health

Romney’s Abortion Stance Still A Mystery

BERJAYABen Smith gets this quote from Mitt Romney spokesperson Gail Gitcho on the candidate’s stance on abortion: Romney supports “a Human Life Amendment that overturns Roe vs. Wade and sends the issue back to the states.” “Mitt Romney is pro-life, and as he has said previously, he is supportive of efforts to ensure recognition that life begins at conception. He believes these matters should be left up to states to decide,” she said.

That answer’s “states’ rights” emphasis sounds good for a candidate who’s hoping to sway independent voters in a general election, but it still doesn’t answer whether or not Romney supported Mississippi’s personhood amendment before it went down in flames — a question he skillfully avoided last month and his campaign refused to answer — and actually undermines his promises to more conservative audiences.

For instance, during an Oct. 3 appearance on Fox News’ Huckabee, Romney hinted that he would support additional federal abortion restrictions: “I would encourage legislation which provided to individuals the information they needed to make a choice, an informed choice about whether or not to have an abortion,” he said, referring to mandated counseling or waiting periods. Similarly, during the Palmetto Freedom Forum on Sept. 5 in South Carolina, Romney promised to “absolutely” strengthen federal conscience protections for health care workers who refuse to perform abortions. “We have to allow people to practice their faith and when they have a matter of conscience that they can’t participate in some form of activity which violates their faith, then they should be able to abide by their faith, particularly when there are plenty of opportunities for people to have a service provided,” Romney said.

Politics

Koch Brother Front Group Americans For Prosperity Pushes Smear Campaign Against Me

BERJAYA

Levi Russell, Americans for Prosperity Director of Public Affairs, contributed to a blog post calling Lee a "liar." Russell, however, erroneously quoted the conversation and has refused to issue a correction.

Levi Russell, Americans for Prosperity Director of Public Affairs, contributed to a blog post calling me a “liar.” Russell, however, erroneously quoted the conversation and has refused to issue a correction.

Yesterday, Americans for Prosperity, the corporate front group founded and financed by the Koch Brothers, posted a blog post titled: “Lee Fang Lies.” The post, which was Tweeted and promoted by other conservative groups, accuses me of misrepresenting myself at the Americans for Prosperity Defending the Dream Summit last Friday. The allegations are all demonstrably false. I called AFP on the phone today to explain that their post was false and gave them an opportunity to retract it. The Americans for Prosperity’s Levi Russell, the press person involved in the smear, responded: “No, I’m not going to correct it.”

The Americans for Prosperity blog post claims that, in order to receive a press credential, I said that I was a student from California (view a copy of the post here):

Lee Fang, a blogger with “Think Progress,” lied to event organizers about his residency and status in an attempt to gain media access to the Defending the American Dream Summit, held this past weekend at the Washington Convention Center. Fang told Americans for Prosperity Foundation that he is a student “visiting from California,” who “had to fly home tomorrow” and had really hoped to cover the event.

However, Fang is listed as a “resident of Prince George’s County, Maryland” on his ThinkProgress author page. His wikipedia page says that he “attended college at the University of Maryland, College Park.” [...] Fang regularly impugns conservative authors as dishonest, yet characteristic of his reporting, his preferred tactic is dishonesty and lies.

I did say that I live in California, and that I was hoping to attend the conference before going home the next day. That is because I live in California and was traveling home that Saturday. Despite Americans for Prosperity’s best research efforts, I moved away from my native Prince George’s County several years ago, and relocated finally to northern California about seven months ago. The biography page cited by Americans for Prosperity is obviously out of date. Moreover, Americans for Prosperity never reached out for a clarification and, if they had looked past Wikipedia, I broadcast the fact that I now live in California on a regular basis when I appear on television and radio.

Unfortunately for Americans for Prosperity, I had been interviewing folks going into to the event on my way into the conference, and had a voice recorder still on in my pocket during the exchange with the group’s media staffers. The transcript of the entire conversation between myself, my ThinkProgress colleague Travis Waldron, and the Americans for Prosperity media staff is on tape, and clearly shows that I introduced myself as a ThinkProgress reporter, not a “student.” Click more at the bottom of the screen to read a transcript of the tape, or listen below here:

Contacted today, Americans for Prosperity public affairs director Levi Russell said he was responsible for the post because he “wanted to call you out.” Russell would not tell me the last name of the other Americans for Prosperity staffer I spoke to, who identified himself as Adam. Asked to issue a correction and apology for the smear, Russell said: “No, I’m not going to correct it.”

For a full transcript of our conversation with Americans for Prosperity, click more. Read more

NEWS FLASH

275,000 People Want MSNBC To Fire Pat Buchanan | MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan has made a career out of bigotry. His thoughtful contributions include calling gays satanists, praising the Nazis and the KKK, decrying Dr. Martin Luther King as a fraud, and telling African Americans that they should be grateful for slavery. While touring the networks to promote his latest book, Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?, he stopped by a white nationalist radio program The Political Cesspool which was only too happy to advertise his theories. In response, African-American civil rights organization ColorOfChange.org and CREDO Action gathered 275,000 people who are demanding that MSNBC President Phil Griffin fire Buchanan immediately. The ColorOfChange.org petition reads, “Buchanan has a long and consistent history of peddling white supremacist ideology as legitimate political commentary, on your network and elsewhere.” Noting that Buchanan has the right to express his views, the petition says “he’s not entitled to a platform that lets him broadcast bigotry and hate to millions. If MSNBC and NBC want to be seen as trusted, mainstream sources of news and commentary, you need to fire Buchanan now.” Buchanan has not appeared on MSNBC since he began promoting his book on Oct. 22.

Economy

McCain Wants A Corporate Tax Holiday So Corporations Can ‘Buy More Yachts And…Corporate Jets And All That’

BERJAYAA slew of multinational corporations, joined by their allies in Congress, have been pushing for the enactment of a tax repatriation holiday, which would allow companies that have stashed money overseas to bring it back to the U.S. at a tax rate far below the usual 35 percent corporate income tax rate. Sen. Johm McCain (R-AZ) and Kay Hagan (D-NC) have proposed a plan under which corporations could repatriate money at an 8.25 percent tax rate, which would be lowered to 5.25 percent if they use the money to create jobs.

The problem with this plan is that it’s already been tried, and it didn’t work. In 2004, corporations used the money they brought back to enrich executives and buy back stock, not for job creation. In fact, the corporations that benefited the most from the tax break cut tens of thousands of jobs in the subsequent years, and companies pushed huge amounts of money offshore in anticipation of a future holiday.

McCain is evidently well aware of the shoddy history of these holidays, because why else would he include a special, even lower rate for companies that use the money to create jobs? In fact, McCain said at a Reuters summit yesterday that he is fine with giving corporations this big tax break so that they can use it to buy yachts and jets:

In defense of legislation he is offering in Congress, McCain said his bill would try to ensure that profits brought into the country from abroad at a reduced tax rate would be devoted by corporations to investment and job creation.

“If you brought $1.5 trillion back to the United States of America, it’s bound to have some positive effect somewhere,” he said at the Reuters Washington Summit. “I don’t see how it would not. Even if they buy more yachts and … corporate jets and all that, it’s bound to have some effect.

McCain is technically correct that having corporations spend money on yachts and jets is stimulus in the truest sense of the word. But providing corporations with a huge tax break in the hopes that they purchase luxury goods is hardly the most efficient way to boost employment. At the same time that McCain is promoting this cockamamie idea, he is joining his party in blocking each and every portion of President Obama’s Jobs Act that comes up in the Senate.

The Joint Tax Committee has found that a repatriation holiday would add billions to the deficit, and the previous holiday shows that there would be very little bang-for-the-buck in terms of jobs. But McCain would still forge ahead, so that companies have extra cash to buy some “jets and all that.”

NEWS FLASH

Live-Blog Tonight | We’ll be providing real-time analysis and commentary of the GOP debate tonight. It begins at 8 p.m., will be broadcast on CNBC, and will have a heavy emphasis on the economy and jobs. CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo and CNBC’s Chief Washington Correspondent John Harwood will moderate. A panel of CNBC experts, including Jim Kramer, will toss in some questions as well.

Economy

Romney, Whose Net Worth Is $250 Million, Whines That He Makes Less Than Federal Employees

BERJAYADuring his current campaign for the presidency, Mitt Romney has been desperately trying to shed his image as an elite millionaire out of touch with the concerns of average Americans. He’s ditched his business wardrobe and now tries to look like a man-of-the-people in jeans and plaid shirts.

Romney’s also made some laughable claims trying to relate to voters, telling a group of unemployed people that he’s “also unemployed.” But far from sympathizing with the plight of the jobless, on Monday Romney promised to put even more people out of work by cutting 10 percent of the federal workforce if elected. He even complained that government employees make more than he does:

Multimillionaire Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (R) told employees at a steel fabrication plant on Monday that government employees “are making a lot more money than we are.”

Wearing his best plaid work shirt and Tommy Bahama blue jeans, the candidate explained to workers at Giese Manufacturing that he would slash the number of federal employees if elected.

“We have to cut back on the scale of the federal government,” Romney declared. “And for me that will start by reducing federal employees by 10 percent. You do that through attrition.”

“And then something else that is just as important, and that’s to make sure the people who work for government don’t get better pay and better benefits than people that work in the private sector.”

Romney’s complaint that he’s worse off than federal workers is hard to take seriously given that he has a net worth of $250 million. In September, he claimed that he was part of the middle class.

More importantly, Romney’s claims about the salaries of public versus private sector employees are patently false. As ThinkProgress’ Travis Waldron recently reported, public sector employees are underpaid compared to their private sector counterparts.

The proposal to cut 10 percent of the federal workforce (or nearly 500,000 jobs) when 14 million Americans are already out of work illustrates Romney’s misguided public policy. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) authored a bill to do just that last month, and although both men say those jobs would be eliminated “through attrition,” the language and short timeline make it obvious that only mass layoffs could accomplish their goal.

At least 600,000 government workers have lost their jobs since the recession began, but Romney and other Republicans keep scapegoating public employees who have shouldered more than their fair share of economic pain during the Great Recession.

In fact, massive job losses in the public sector are dragging down the recovery and keeping national unemployment higher than it needs to be. According to the New York Times’ David Leonhardt, if state and local governments had continued to hire at their previous pace, they would have added half a million jobs to the economy. In other words, government austerity have “has cost the economy about one million jobs.”

NEWS FLASH

Gingrich: ‘I Actually Don’t Know If Global Warming Is Occurring’ | Appearing on Fox News Tuesday night, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said his ad with Nancy Pelosi on global warming for Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection was the “dumbest single thing I’ve done in years.” “I actually don’t know whether global warming is occurring,” he continued, although he conceded the National Academy of Sciences says it is happening. Gingrich has flipped back and forth on concern for global warming since 1989. Since then, global warming has nearly doubled.

Politics

Rep. Joe Walsh Explains His ‘Don’t Blame Banks’ Rant: I ‘Was Working On An Empty Stomach’

BERJAYA

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) screams at a constituent

Yesterday, ThinkProgress reported on a testy exchange between Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) and a group of his constituents during a meeting. At several points during the discussion, Walsh lost his temper, screaming and threatening to eject participants in the meeting. “Don’t blame banks,” yelled Walsh, who disagreed with a constituent who correctly noted that banks use the revolving door and campaign contributions to dominate government.

After our story, the Capitol Fax, an Illinois political website, contacted Walsh for a response. Walsh wrote in an e-mail that he was “working on an empty stomach and had a quicker fuse than normal.” Despite the fact Walsh’s biggest campaign benefactors come from the banking industry — $132,329 in campaign contributions from the finance industry and $18,400 from bank employees — the freshman congressman claims that he’s “no pal of the big banks.” He also reiterated, “but [banks] didn’t get us into this mess — government policy” did:

I do these cup of joe’s every wkend, I show up at a coffee shop or restaurant anywhere in district and anyone can come meet with me and talk to me about anything. They are fun, engaging sessions, I often get people who disagree w me on issues at these events and the conversation can be very spirited. I am very passionate at these events as well as at my town halls. This was no different except I was working on an empty stomach and had a quicker fuse than normal.

The woman I had the heated exchange with was great and she appreciated how open and unusual these events are. I apologized to her for getting a bit to passionate and she smiled and didn’t mind at all. Regarding the substance rich of what I was trying to say – I’m no pal of the big banks and I wouldn’t have voted to bail any of them out. If they’ve abused their charters they need to be prosecuted fully. But they didn’t get us into this mess – goverment policy which has dictated for years that everyone should own a home got us here. The banks only followed the rules government set. And further government meddling will only exasperate the problem.

View the full video and Walsh’s rant here.

NEWS FLASH

Kasich Responds To Issue 2 Loss: Clearly, Ohioans ‘Didn’t Like The Tools We Offered’ | Last night, Ohioans delivered an unprecedented blow to the already unpopular Gov. John Kasich (R) with the defeat of his anti-labor law, Senate Bill 5. As Plunderbund notes, the defeat marks the first time a governor has seen signature legislation rejected within his or her first year in office. Last night, Kasich congratulated Ohio’s workers for their victory, acknowledging that “when the people speak in a campaign like this, a referendum, you have to listen if you’re a public servant.” Kasich said he’ll continue to work with local governments but warned them that “there is no bailout coming” because, though he continues to push corporate tax cuts, “we have to be very careful with our money.” He determined that the rejection of Issue 2 merely reflected that “people didn’t like the tools we offered here.” Watch it:

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