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Occupy Wall Street Speaks for America: A "Centrist" Hit Job's Polling Data Helps Prove It

Posted: 10/18/11 12:45 AM ET

Thanks to a hit piece by one of those Beltway pseudo-"bipartisans" we can now state conclusively what many of us have long suspected: Occupy Wall Street speaks for the American majority. We've got the polling numbers to prove it. We now know where the real center lies.

It's easy to understand why people like Douglas Schoen are lining up to attack OWS. It shines a spotlight on their cardboard centrism - that think-tank designed, artificially-inseminated, vat-grown corporate ideology so widely rejected by the public at large. OWS represents the real American consensus, and that has them running scared.

But Schoen's Wall Street Journal editorial falls so far short of the mark that it elicits only a soft sense of pity. It illustrates nothing except the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of those out-of-step Democrats who sell themselves to conservatism under the 'centrist' or 'Third Way' banner.

Oh, wait. It also provides enough data to undermine his entire argument - and possibly his entire ideology. Before we look at the numbers we should take a closer look at these "centrists" and why they're trying to kill Occupy Wall Street.

How to Succeed in Centrism Conservatism Without Really Trying

Douglas Schoen is an excellent case study in the right-wing careerism that masquerades as 'centrism' in Washington today. The formula's simple: First get yourself some Democratic Party credentials. That's easy enough to do inside the party's corporate wing. Next, get a gig with one of conservative media outlets. And after that, start making proclamations 'against type' about how corporate-driven conservatism is the true heart of America. That's when the cash really starts rolling in. Then, like any good syndicate, the centrist Cosa Nostra will tell you it's time to return the favor with a hit job or two.

Schoen followed this easy-cash formula to a T (or "Tea"). Democratic Party credential? Check. He did polling for Bill Clinton, then the company he cofounded with Mark Penn went to work on the Hillary Clinton campaign. Cushy gig with a conservative media outlet? Check. He's a Fox News "analyst." Proclamation "against type"? Check. He co-wrote a book with Republican pollster Scott Rasmussen calledMad As Hell: How the Tea Party is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System.

Unfortunately for Schoen, the premise of their book required him to promote at least four massive falsehoods. The first was that Fox News is, in fact, "fair and balanced," and the second was that Fox did not aggressively promote the Tea Party. (Karl Frisch of Media Matters decimates these two claims.) The third was that the Tea Party was a spontaneous citizen uprising, not a heavily orchestrated corporate and Koch-founded process directed by Republican operatives. (See here and here, for starters.) The fourth falsehood is the claim that the Tea Party represents the views of most Americans. We'll get to that one shortly.

As for that final rite of "centrism" - the hit job - Mr. Schoen's editorial demonstrates that he'll happily don the ankle holster and squeeze off a round from his derringer whenever the signal's given. Luckily for the country, we're dealing with the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Red Dawn

Mr. Schoen warns that "President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement--and it may cost them the 2012 election." He bases this statement on a survey of demonstrators which he says was conducted by an associate of his. Unfortunately, he doesn't provide either the questionnaire used or the raw data, so we're forced to settle for vague Red-baiting assertions instead of hard information. Fortunately, as with his Fox/Tea Party claims, he quickly undermines his own claims.

Summoning visions of 1970, when Democrats were undone by association with anti-war "hippies," Schoen writes that "the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people--and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform."

What, exactly, are those values? "What binds a large majority of the protesters together ...," Schoen writes, "is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas."

In other words, they're Commies.

Now We Can Prove It: Occupy Wall Street Speaks for America

But the only actual policy positions Schoen mentions are these:

"Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement--no matter the cost. (emphasis mine) By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%)."

Hmmm ... how "dangerously out of touch" are these views with those of the general public - and those all-important independent voters? We've prepared a handy chart illustrating that point, for your convenience (and Mr. Schoen's enlightenment). It's called Occupy Wall Street Represents America: The Polling Data (Unlike some folks, we show our work - even though, as you'll see from the attached, exact comparisons are hard to come by, especially given Mr. Schoen's vague wordings.)

Here are the highlights:

The public agrees with OWS on health care: 65% of protesters believe government should guarantee health care for all. In the last major poll on the subject, 64% of voters said the same thing.

The public agrees with OWS on taxes: 77% of OWS participants want to raise taxes on the wealthy; according to the Marist polling organization, 68% of all voters - including 68% of independents - agree with them.

The public agrees with OWS on a secure retirement: 65% of protesters think the government should guarantee a secure retirement. 70% of all voters - including 73% of independents - agree with them.

Schoen may have tried to hide or skew his information, but he's given us enough to know that the demonstrators are smack dab in the mainstream of American public opinion. Their tax views are supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Their views receive the overwhelming support of independents and are often supported by a majority of Republicans too.

And what about that Tea Party that Schoen's been pushing as the "new center" in American politics? Does the public agree with them, too? Er, not so much. The latest CNN poll shows that 53% of Americans disapprove of the Tea Party movement and only 28% approve. Those are the lowest numbers since the pollsters began tracking Tea Party popularity last year.

Oops. Looks like Schoen and Rasmussen will need to write a new book.

(One other thing: That CNN poll also shows that Hillary Clinton is still the country's most popular public figure. Just think what she might have accomplished if she hadn't used the firm of Penn, Schoen & Berland to run her last campaign.)

The Real Center

No wonder the faux-centrist/"Third Way" crowd hates OWS. The protests put the lie to phony notion that the "center" agrees with the corporate-funded policies they espouse. And they illustrate the fact that the real "center" holds opinions that are usually stigmatized as "progressive" inside the Beltway . Douglas Schoen characterizes those opinions as "a deep commitment to left-wing policies" --

-- that are frequently supported by most Republicans. A few more revelations like this and their whole scam will be exposed. That's why we're seeing the glint of hatchets swinging in the Potomac sun.

Schoen represents that partnership of pampered elites that is Beltway Bipartisanship, but the OWS protesters represents real bipartisanship. They speak for the genuine American majority, that movement that speaks for the people who have been misused, abused, and refused by powerful insider from both parties.

Schoen speaks as if this were 1970 revisited, but the players have changes places. Occupy Wall Street speaks for this year's Silent Majority - the 99% who have been disenfranchised by the corporate-driven political environment that spawned and feeds Mr. Schoen and his ilk. The moment for the triangulated tactics of the Schoen crowd has passed. The real center is waking up. It's corporatist policies, not the politics of protest, that will hurt a party's electoral chances today.

Politically speaking, they're the hippies now.

The President and his party wouldn't be foolish to adopt the rhetoric of Occupy Wall Street. It would be foolish to think this movement can be co-opted by words that aren't followed up with action. But the most foolish act of all would be to listen to compromised advice from a cadre of failed insiders who are quickly being left behind by the irreversible and irresistible flow of history.

 
 
 

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Fez
Ignorance is no excuse for the law.
7 hours ago (6:28 PM)
Who are these mythical "swing voters" over whom politician­s get all wet at election time? Here's my take... they are not middle-of-­the-road, average, unbiased citizens who are the pillars of democracy. They are people who are too lazy or stupid or both to form opinions about much of anything. As Jim Hightower has said so well: The only thing you find in the middle of the road is yellow stripes and dead armadillos­.
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Kydo
8 hours ago (5:42 PM)
OWS represents America's center? That's laughable.

Of course most Americans agree with the concept of universal healthcare and a secure retirement­. UNTIL THEY'RE TOLD HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST! You can't ask touchy-fee­l good questions like that and decouple them from the cost. Ask someone if they're in favor of Unicorns and they'll undoubtedl­y answer yes until you tell them you have to drill a hole in a horse's forehead to insert the horn and they'll quickly change their mind.
7 hours ago (6:55 PM)
"Sixty-fiv­e percent say that government has a moral responsibi­lity to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement­--NO MATTER THE COST."

(my emphasis)
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lipps
Capitalist Pig Taxpayer
5 hours ago (8:56 PM)
Whos poll is that? They may think the government has a moral responsibi­lity but they are wrong.. Nowhere in the Constituti­on does it say that.
8 hours ago (5:06 PM)
The questions need to be changed toward specifics. How much do you believe you need pay for some deadbeats to continue in their lifestyles­, contributi­ng nothing more than dinner plates and appetites as their fair shared sacrifices for a lifetime?

We limit MD payments to help those poor in America. Why do educators get top Salaries?. Shouldn't they take a 50% pay cut for the Good of the Nation also? Should NOT all in congress first be forced to give up everything they earned in excess of a million dollars?

ALL Americans want successful retired persons, and people cared for in time of need. Our youth doesn't want just that now. They want everything their parents own today, because they got a college education, and thus are now better than their parents via default, not accomplish­ments

Out Government is responsibl­e for the will of the People, NOT the private needs of the people. Our Constituti­on dictates a level playing field, and equal opportunit­ies for ALL, Not equal Outputs based on liberal philosophi­es, and entitlemen­ts.

Our Constituti­on mandated a head tax, not sliding scale prices for the same services, based on Race, ethic persuasion­, and or Social Statuses. Those ideologies came Via Marxism–Le­ninism, not Washington and Lincoln
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ez14livin
8 hours ago (5:36 PM)
buzzword / TP spin gin: equal outputs

where has ONE prominent liberal espoused EQUAL OUTPUTS.

what TOP salaries do you assume edumacator­s make ??? maybe if you'd gone to school you might have a better grasp of the facktz.

only teacontort­ionistas have the audacity to presume to speak for everyone. and it seems the WILL of the people is to have single payer healthcare and tax the bujezus out of the obscenely rich, who are NOT creating the jobs they were supposed to be creating over the past decade

while obviously not a democrat, you sir, are still a j@ck@ss
6 hours ago (7:07 PM)
I think it more hinges on developing a more concretize­d philosophi­cal position. Like "income and wealth equality for all" Specific policies then follow to meet that criteria like raising taxes on the top 1% and cracking down on Wall Street with stricter regulation­.
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John Zehnder
9 hours ago (4:41 PM)
It's going to come down to this, your either with the American people or your against us. the right and the left are trying to put the OWS movment into a box, but what they don't get is the OWS is the box.
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innerpuppie
The truth is an absolute defense...
1 hour ago (12:13 AM)
As Patrick Swayze said: You can't put Baby in a corner. (Dirty Dancing). I don't think that the middle class and poor want to be in a corner any longer☺.
9 hours ago (4:29 PM)
I believe that Schoen just went out and lied. The protest site I visited was very diverse. No one promoted violence. No one advocated a 'radical redistribu­tion of income'. I believe that is a right wing catch phrase to diffuse the 'fairness' issue. Everyone wanted representa­tion and fairness. I have to believe from independen­t sources and first hand accounts that Mr. Schoen did a propaganda piece for the WSJ, and nothing more.
9 hours ago (4:07 PM)
Obama is part of the problem. I trusted him once. Once.
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drwtsn
Could I please get an upgrade to a macro-bio?
3 hours ago (10:12 PM)
So who are you going to trust in 2012? Romney, who has always been part of the Wall Street crowd? Cain, and his 9-9-9 plan that will increase taxes on the middle class and poor while decreasing taxes on the rich? Perry, who has raised cronyism to an art form in Texas?
10 hours ago (3:50 PM)
Opposition to free market capitalism­? We don't have free market capitalism here. Haven't had it for years. We have an economy dominated by oligopolie­s whose economic power has grown so great as to enable them to purchase unlimited political power.

If wanting to undo this injustice and restore our democracy is indicative of a commitment to left-wing policies then, by Mr. Schoen's definition­, it looks like 99% of us are committed to left-wing policies - like one person, one vote, economic opportunit­y for all and a government which is responsive to the needs and will of the people.
9 hours ago (4:55 PM)
What your side seems to fail to grasp is that all this government control is what leads to the oligopolie­s. The more control the government has the greater the incentive to control what is done by the government­. Most of the regulation­s that come down the pipe help those huge companies even when the regulation claims to reign them in. Most of the compliance costs are passed onto consumers and the added regulation ends up insulating those companies from competitio­n.
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NonCon
Musician and Gonzo Coder
8 hours ago (5:28 PM)
It is actually the opposite. The eviscerati­on and lack of enforcemen­t of regulation­s started by Reagan, the repeal of the Glass Steagal act, NAFTA, outsourcin­g, and the policies and wars of W got us here. Most small businesses will tell you regulation­s are their lifeblood, regulation­s give them the rules they all have to follow to compete successful­ly.
We are a big country we need a big government­, unfortunat­ely many of the people in charge are beholden to the banksters.
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ez14livin
8 hours ago (5:39 PM)
regulation­s at what level and for what industries­?

not too many people have the capital to start up a business to compete w/ BP or any other number of industries which can cause massive damage to millions should something go wrong.

so exactly WHAT regulation­s do you mean?
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Kydo
8 hours ago (5:51 PM)
No free market capitalism­? What on earth are you talking about? What do you use to surf HuffPo? PC or Apple? What underwear are you wearing? Hanes or Fruit of the Loom? What toothbrush did you use this morning, Reach or Oral-B? Did you use Crest or Colgate?

It's just so bizarre that people who no doubt make hundreds of consumer choices each day can come here and declare there is no free market. but maybe that's you problem, you still live in your parents basement and don't have to make any consumer choices because mommy does it all for you.
7 hours ago (7:01 PM)
Then you admit the capitalist model has been an utter failure.
5 hours ago (8:16 PM)
"Hundreds of consumer choices"? I laughed at this, because you so clearly contradict­ed it in your first paragraph. All the goods you listed included just two brand options. If I want a computer, it's a pretty sure bet it'll be either a Mac or a PC, not because either are superior (at this point they're virtually identical, performanc­e-wise), but because I'd better choose one of those two if I want my hardware and software to work with my laptop.

Or do you mean the choice between a host of different moneylendi­ng corporatio­ns, all of which know they can charge exorbitant interest because all the rest are doing it as well? Do you mean the choice between this or that clothing brand, when virtually all of them make use of underpaid overseas labor? How is it a choice when there are only two options, or when all of the options are so similar that I can't tell them apart anymore?
10 hours ago (3:37 PM)
OWS has lit the fuse, and if Obama has any sense he'll ride the discontent into a second term.
11 hours ago (2:53 PM)
You really do have to feel sorry for the Goldman Sachs Employees,­, All that noise and Rabble out in front and then having to live off $390,448 a year.
11 hours ago (2:08 PM)
Yes, the center of this country yearns for "rich" people to pay for their college tuition, food, housing, and whatever other goodie we may want at the moment. Hell, the center of this country hates capitalism­; so yes, OWS is representa­tive of the center...
10 hours ago (3:04 PM)
I can understand why. Capitalism is precisely what's killed our economy--a­t least last time I checked we have a place called Wall Street where the capitalist­s work their "magic."

Outside of that, yup, Americans want those socialist policies you so despise--n­ot because they want something free--but because they want economic justice. I know, you don't understand the term "economic justice"
10 hours ago (3:36 PM)
What you call "justice" I call tyranny. The lessons of history seem to have been forgotten by you. I suggest you revisit the history of the world circa 1917 through 1989. Focus on how "better off" the people of the USSR were.
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dennidus1680
8 hours ago (5:21 PM)
What capitalism­? Where are your free markets, ease of entry etc.? What they are against is the results of crony capitalism they have witnessed and that is the view of the majority. The movement is going viral around the world and you think the actual working people have a majority viewpoint that the status quo is just fine?
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innerpuppie
The truth is an absolute defense...
1 hour ago (12:16 AM)
Gimme, gimme, gimme. I've watched the fat cats have it all and now I want some - lots of some☺.
12 hours ago (1:16 PM)
Wow, this author is off the deep end. Doug Schoen's piece in the WSJ was a report on the empirical data his researcher­s gathered. One may disagree with the conclusion­s but it was hardly a "hit job."
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal means FREE.
11 hours ago (2:12 PM)
You didn't read the second half of the article, did you?

Oh, and if Mr. Schoen's polling really is "empirical evidence" (i.e., based on polling / factual informatio­n), where is his work? Why not share it with the class? That's what other pollsters do.

Only people looking to do a hit job need to hide their work.
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ez14livin
8 hours ago (5:46 PM)
when the facts don't fit your agenda, why include them?
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nofriendofrepublicans
Mother friendly.
12 hours ago (1:05 PM)
Global economy meet global democracy. It's coming folks, and it feels good.
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Bart DePalma
13 hours ago (12:59 PM)
By all means ignore Doug Shoen, whose advise allowed Clinton to survive and gain a plurality reelection in 1996.

By all means have Obama (or better yet a third party candidate) campaign on an honest and unvarnishe­d progressiv­e/socialis­t platform.

As a Tea Party member, I have infinite faith in the good sense of the American voters and welcome a full disclosure campaign. Folks know what we stand for. It is long past time they learned what the left stands for.
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LibRule
Peace on, Republicans!
12 hours ago (1:10 PM)
Know what you stand for? Are you a birther? Many, if not most, of your buddies are.
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Bart DePalma
12 hours ago (2:00 PM)
This is the type of red herring nonsense voters usually get from the left as opposed to Reich's detailed proposals.
9 hours ago (4:21 PM)
The birthers were led by many of the OWS people protesting today. There sadly are no reasonable debates for your asinine assertion.

Oddly Donald Trump scared Obama enough to finally disclose his birth certificat­e. Sadly his job programs came months after his birth certificat­e

I believe most Americans cared less about either events. I also believe the overwhelmi­ng majority KNOW NOW we can DO BETTER.

Obama promised us Hope and Change, He gave us Hosni Muborak lite. He publicly declared he is above both the Congress and SCOTUS Court

Obama has millions for vacations worldwide, and ultra rich white neighborho­ods. He has two private VC-25's that not even Wall Street could afford to fly their families separately on same vacation routes


That's Not Hope and Change many of us Believe in.

That is an ENERGIZING SOCIALIST REPUBLIC and or DICTATORSH­IP waiting to be Born
11 hours ago (2:52 PM)
I think we already know what they stand for. Did you even read the article?
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drwtsn
Could I please get an upgrade to a macro-bio?
3 hours ago (10:19 PM)
Yes, people know what you stand for, and only 28% of them approve of it.
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13 hours ago (12:41 PM)
Simply amazing. Polling just the protesters does not equate to the majority of Americans.
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LibRule
Peace on, Republicans!
12 hours ago (1:11 PM)
RTFA. They compared the poll done of the protestors to widespread population polls.
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dennidus1680
8 hours ago (5:36 PM)
And they compare well. I don't think Cwalshjr actually read the article.
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal means FREE.
11 hours ago (2:16 PM)
...and yet when you compare it to OTHER polling OF the rest of America, it lines up quite nicely. I guess you didn't read the second half of the article? It's all quite clearly laid out. Try again.
13 hours ago (12:35 PM)
Unrepentan­t banksters were just gamblers in what they thought was Joe Cassano's rigged casino & they can't lecture anybody about fiscal responsibi­lity. They absolutely lost the moral high ground when they went out and bought AIG's CDS against worthless MBS but with no prudent reserves on the worthless CDS either! TBTF banks are now just a bunch of hoodlums working a protection racket: If we criticize them too much, they threaten to crash the economy again. But I think the people win the moral argument. And the mob will certainly see to it that they don't go scot-free a second time. Banks were supposed to get bailed out so they could unwind themselves from the worthless $64 trillion casino. How's that $600 trillion more of CDS feel now? What a madhouse. I think we've embedded the cops right where we need them - at the banks to arrest the bank CEO's & managers if the world's money markets get caught short again.