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Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, speaks at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.
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updated 10/8/2011 5:29:24 PM ET 2011-10-08T21:29:24

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Saturday denounced "poisonous language" against faiths as he grappled with a flare-up over religion sparked by a prominent supporter of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, his rival. Perry steered well clear of that simmering issue and pushed another hot button instead: Social Security.

Romney, in remarks to the Values Voters Summit, a gathering of cultural conservatives in Washington, did not directly confront the words of a prominent Perry supporter who called Romney's Mormon faith a "cult." Indeed, Romney was criticizing another speaker at the meeting who is known for anti-Mormon and anti-Muslim rhetoric, and who followed him on stage.

But his cautionary words served as notice that attacks on faiths should, in his view, be off the table. He appealed to the social conservatives to support a presidential candidate who has the best record on the economy.

Until now, Romney's Mormon faith and Perry's evangelical Christianity were secondary to a GOP primary focused on who can best fix the country's economy. Questions about his faith plagued Romney's 2008 presidential run, but he had been able to keep them at bay so far this time.

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That changed when a pastor who introduced Perry to cultural conservatives called Mormonism a "cult" and said Romney is "not a Christian," forcing Perry to distance himself and Romney to respond. The back-and-forth suggests the primary race — with a field finally settled and just three months before voting begins — has moved into a more aggressive phase. And it illustrates that Perry's very public religiosity and long history with evangelical Christian leaders won't remain on the sidelines of the presidential race.

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But Perry, campaigning Saturday in Iowa's staunchly conservative northwest, barely touched on religion at all. In stops at Sioux City and Orange City, he never mentioned Mormonism, Romney by name, or even Christianity, for that matter.

Asked by Republican Steven Bernston what books have most influenced him, Perry mentioned only one: the work of conservative economist Friedrich Hayek. Bersnton, a corn and beans farmer from Paullina, later said he was surprised that Perry didn't at least mention the Bible.

"I don't think he's a reader," Bernston said in an interview, noting that Perry used the question to switch to previous statements about his opposition to government efforts to stimulate the economy.

Video: Pastor explains ‘cult’ remarks aimed at Romney, Mormonism (on this page)

Perry waded back into Social Security instead, a tricky issue for him after he roundly criticized the popular entitlement in his book and his Republicans rivals piled on against him. Responding to a question in Sioux City, he said "it makes sense" to increase the eligibility age for benefits and it may be time to reduce those benefits for the wealthy, a process known as means-testing.

In each of four Iowa campaign stops over two days, Perry took questions from voters, and none from reporters. None of the questioners mentioned Mormonism or asked overtly religious questions.

Pastor backing Perry: Romney not a Christian

On Friday, Robert Jeffress, the lead pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, introduced Perry as "a committed follower of Christ." Perry thanked him, and said Jeffress had "hit it out of the park." Afterward, Jeffress told reporters Romney was "not a Christian" and that Mormonism is a "cult." Jeffress had repeatedly made similar comments during Romney's 2008 campaign.

Mormonism sparks concern among evangelical Christians, a critical bloc of voters in the Republican primary. Many do not believe that Mormons are Christian because they also rely on the Book of Mormon as a holy text, which they view as deviating from the Jesus Christ who is portrayed in the Bible.

At an event in Iowa later Friday, Perry was asked if he believes Mormonism is a cult. "No," Perry said.

On Saturday, Romney answered Jeffress' charge: He praised former Reagan official Bill Bennett, who spoke ahead of Romney at the conference. "You did Rick Perry no good, sir, in what you had to say," said Bennett, denouncing Jeffress for "bigotry" against Mormons.

"Speaking of hitting it out of the park, how about that Bill Bennett!" Romney said as soon as he took to the podium.

It was a subtle but unmistakable rebuttal. Romney also asked Jay Selukow, a conservative lawyer who publicly debated Jeffress over Romney's religion in 2008, to introduce him. And Romney's campaign had been in touch with Bennett ahead of the conference because they were concerned about a different speaker, American Family Association Bryan Fischer, Bennett told The Associated Press.

In the past, Fischer has called Mormonism "not an orthodox Christian faith."  

During his remarks, Fischer also repeated past statements about homosexuality as a threat to the First Amendment and Islam as a inherently violent faith.

Bennett called for unity among conservatives as they choose a nominee for president in 2012.

Romney echoed that call in his remarks. "We should remember that decency and civility are values too. One of the speakers who will follow me today has crossed that line, I think," Romney said, referring to Fischer, who has made anti-Mormon and anti-Muslim remarks in the past. "Poisonous language doesn't advance our cause. It's never softened a single heart nor changed a single mind."

In the 2008 campaign, Romney endured criticism about his faith from rival Mike Huckabee, a Baptist minister.

So far, none of Romney's rivals has directly attacked his faith — and Romney has dismissed the issue in interviews. "The great majority of Americans understand that this nation was founded on the principle religious tolerance and liberty so most people do not make their decision based on someone's faith," he said earlier this year.

But Perry's sudden entry into the race — he announced his candidacy in August — forced the Romney campaign to go on offense. Perry raised $17 million in the first six weeks of his campaign and is building infrastructure to challenge Romney across the primary map, and particularly in Iowa and South Carolina, where evangelical voters are large and influential segments of the primary electorate.

And while Perry's religion stayed out of race at first, the overt and political nature of his faith was bound to change that.

He has deep ties to evangelical Christian leaders, particularly in the South. In early August, Perry convened a prayer rally that drew more than 20,000 people to a football stadium in Houston. While his advisers insist his appearance was not political, Perry attended fundraising dinners for the event as part of his official schedule as governor, and he hit on political themes during his appearance there.

NBC News' Carrie Dann contributed to this report from The Associated Press.

Video: Pastor explains ‘cult’ remarks aimed at Romney, Mormonism

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    >> joined this morning by the pastor at the center of the controversy at the value voter summit. pastor robert jeffress, welcome to the program.

    >> thank you, alex .

    >> would you intentionally say this to help the perry campaign and did you expect all of this reaction?

    >> alex , first of all, i never said anything about a cult or mormonism . i never mentioned mitt romney in my introduction of governor rick perry . this came about after my int dukes when i was rushed it by reporters and asked if i would personally vote for a mormon and i said no. i believe mitt romney is a good, moral family man. i said in interviews that if it was a vote between mitt romney or president obama , i would vote for mitt romney . but those of us who are evangelical christians ought to look at a number of criteria for our nominee and certainly we would prefer someone who ranks their evangelical christianity over someone who doesn't. i'm not slandering mitt romney . mormonism is not a part of historical christianity .

    >> sir, do you understand why it's difficult right now to walk back on these comments?

    >> i'm not walking back on any comment i made.

    >> all right. but i'm ask you, do you think mormonism is a cult?

    >> yes, and i think it's a theological thought. i'm a theologan. my definition of a theological cult is someone who has a human founder versus a divine founder. historical entity says the bible is god's complete revolution and mormon says there's a later fresher revelation. the book of mormon supposedly came from the angel maroney and so by definition it's a cult and not a part of historical christianity .

    >> now, with regard to politics, sir, did you say this to help the man that you say you support the most of all, rick perry ?

    >> well, did i say what, alex ? which comment are you referring to?

    >> does anything you say at this point -- do you hope it helps rick perry ? are you behind it 100% and --

    >> absolutely -- are you at all concerned with the fact that he is now having to back pedal the interpretation of your comments and say that he does not think that mormonism is a cult and it sets up the problem right there? do you think you may have done his campaign some damage?

    >> well, i certainly hope not. but i think my introduction was a good introduction of governor perry. when i focused on why conservative religions ought to consider this man, it's much more than that. if it's not a concern to a lot of conservatives out there, there are a lot of other reasons to be concerned about mitt romney , not least of which is his inconsistent positions like the sang tea of life. romney allowed for abortions with a $50 deductible. that is a concern for a lot of evangelicals who are not impressed about his conversion to the like principle.

    >> dr. jeffress, do you understand why it's a problem for people when you say at a podium when you are introducing someone and what you say after the fact, whether it be a snap comment made to a reporter or what you are talking to me about here. you say that you do believe that mormonism is a cult?

    >> that's correct. i'm part of the southern baptist convention which is the largest protestant denomination in the world and our denomination long ago labeled mormonism as a cult. so this is not anything new, alex . i am not jeremiah wright making some fanatical comment. again, there are much bigger issues for many people than mitt romney romney's personal faith and i think we need to focus on those differences as well.

    >> i know you said you believe in your words. president obama believes that he's a christian. if mitt romney were to win the nomination, would christians with all political factions feel safer voting for the president than mitt romney ? can you tell me how that's going to weigh out?

    >> personally, i would certainly vote for mitt romney instead of barack obama . i think we must unseat barack obama . for me as a pastor, not for political reasons but for spiritual reasons. but i don't think mitt romney will energize evangelical voters, because he's viewed as an inconsistent conservative. i want to remind people, alex n. 2008 , 30 million evangelical voters sat at home and did not vote because they were not enthused by john mccain and i'm afraid that is what is going to happen in 2012 . when we evangelicals have a choice, i think we ought to prefer someone like rick perry over mitt romney . but if mitt romney is a nomination, lee support him.

    >> is this a political calculation as opposed to making observations about your faith beliefs?

    >> well, some will say that it's a political calculation. but my faith in jesus christ affects every are area of my life, including my political beliefs. the fact is, to religious people, religion matters. and who we are is largely defined by the religion that we embrace. so i think that this is going to be a continuing issue, alex , both in the primary and if mitt romney becomes the nominee, i think it will be the issue in the general nomination as well. we ought to be able to talk about it in a national way because religion really does matter to millions of americans.

    >> so, again, back to your -- i want your initial reaction. after you said anything, you saw that clip that we played when you were speaking to someone who had a hand held camera --

    >> yes.

    >> -- did you expect this firestorm and how do you feel about it?

    >> no, honestly i didn't expect it because i really thought that my views are well known because i said the same thing in 2007 . and it was widely publicized but it's also just the mainline belief of he have january gel cal christians . and, you know, you also alluded to bill bennett 's comment that i did not hear today. you know, to say that i am a bigot because i prefer an evangelical christian over a nonchristian, i wonder if that makes bill bennett a bigot because he refers republicans to democrats. i mean, we ought to say that, yes, i believe that a christian in office is better than a nonchristian. i reminded people yesterday that it was john jay , the first chief justice of the supreme court who said we have the duty and privilege as christians to collect and prefer christians as our leaders. that was the first chief justice of the supreme court . i think that's something that many evangelicals believe, that a christian is a choice to somebody who does not embrace historical christianity like mitt romney .

    >> have you spoke with anyone in either the mitt romney or rick perry campaigns?

    >> not since yesterday. not since i introduced the governor.

    >> okay. pastor robert jeffress -- dr. robert jeffress, thank you for your time. i know it was a busy morning. thank you for making the time for us.

    >> it's great to be with you, alex , thank you.

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