Two months ago I addressed an attempt by a self-declared ‘investigative journalist’, a Mr Stewart Bradley, to ‘debunk the debunkers’ (http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/more-on-15-questions-for-911-truthers-a-reply-to-stewart-bradley/). Mr Bradley’s ‘rebuttal’ was a reply to an earlier post of mine pointing out the logical fallacies and factual flaws in the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. In attempting his own exercise at debunking, Mr Bradley provided an account of the events leading to the 11th September 2001 attacks on Washington DC and New York which was replete with inaccuracies and factual errors, as highlighted by my rejoinders to his post here (http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/12/15-answers-open-response-to-joseph.html).
Despite the fact that Mr Bradley is a supporter of the 9/11 ‘truth movement’, I had hoped that by providing a detailed explanation of his misconceptions – complete with reference to the documented record – I might perhaps have been able to engage him in a full and frank debate as to the veracity of what ‘truthers’ are pleased to call the ‘official’ story, as opposed to the varying and mutually contradictory accounts alleging US government foreknowledge or even participation in the 9/11 atrocities. For a ‘truther’, Mr Bradley gave a positive impression of himself. He could string a sentence together, spell and punctuate properly, and could also submit a comment without either ad hominem abuse or indulging in the frantic and hysterical writing style that other conspiracy theorists employ (comments in full caps, exclamation marks galore, etc). I began to wonder if Mr Bradley might be open-minded enough to acknowledge my criticisms of 9/11 conspiracy theories as being at best based on conjecture and thread-bare evidence, and at worst being based on urban myths and outright lies.
It now seems that I was being over-optimistic.
Mr Bradley’s follow-up post (http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/beyond-15-questions-historical-context.html) offers a prime example of how a ‘truther’ words. His methodology can be described as adhering to the four D’s – dodge, distract, distort, and deny.
Dodge – Mr Bradley piously claims that ‘Joseph and his loyal clique(?)’ have ‘their minds made up in support of the “official version” of 9/11’, and that we are ‘unwilling to seriously consider any information that contradicts that version’. In this manner, Mr Bradley neatly sidesteps the fact that I went through every claim that he made, and showed him where he had either misread the evidence or relied on inaccurate or fabricated information. I substantiated each point I made with reference to the evidence at hand, and invited him to consult it. Mr Bradley failed to rise to this challenge, thereby suggesting that it is he who is unwilling to serious consider any information that contradicts his own opinions on 9/11. In particular, Mr Bradley has implicitly conceded defeat on the following points, but not had the moral courage to admit as such:
- That al-Qaeda were to blame for the assassination of Ahmed Shah Massoud on 9th September 2001.
- That the absence of any contacts between US government agencies and anti-Taliban resistance forces in Afghanistan undermines assertions of foreknowledge on Washington’s part.
- That the dispersal of senior al-Qaeda leadership figures prior to 9/11 cannot be interpreted as anything other than a pre-emptive measure to avoid US retaliation for a terrorist attack already planned and close to being executed (namely, the hijacking of 4 passenger planes and their use as suicide attack craft against three targets in the USA).
- That it is impossible to now argue that the 19 hijackers were ‘patsies’ or ghosts, and that both DNA evidence of human remains from the crash site and the passenger manifests of the planes (http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ual93manifest.png; http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ual175manifest1.png) demonstrate this.
- That it is logically unsound for ‘truthers’ to argue that the Saudis were coerced by the US government into accepting that 15 of their citizens were responsible for 9/11, seeing as the Saudi role in the atrocity highlighted the Bush administration’s ties with the Saudi royal family and (it is alleged) the bin Laden clan.
- That al-Qaeda existed as a transnational terrorist group using its safe haven in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan to commit atrocities such as the 1993 WTC bombings, the 1998 Nairobi and Dar-e-Salaam embassy attacks, and the suicide attack on the USS Cole in 2000.
- That claims of the CIA’s role in ‘creating’ al-Qaeda in the 1980s are a fabrication of the historical record.
- That the US government would not have planned the invasion of a landlocked country in Central Asia without some guarantee of vitally-needed host nation support from its neighbours.
- That the 9/11 ‘truth movement’ is infested with anti-Semites and Holocaust Deniers, hence the frequency with which Israelis and Jews are described as having a role in the ‘false flag’ attacks on New York and Washington DC.
- That Niaz Naik’s claims about his meeting with retired US officials prior to 9/11 have no substance to them.
- That Indian government claims of a direct link between the former ISI director and Mohamed Atta have to be treated with caution.
- That there is no way that NORAD could have been ‘stood down’ without Canadian complicity.
- That Ed Haas of ‘Team Liberty’ distorted the content of an FBI press conference in order to claim that the Bureau had ‘no evidence’ linking bin Laden and al-Qaeda with 9/11.
- That ‘truther’ assertions that repeated video and audio tape admissions by al-Qaeda’s leadership of responsibility for (and pride in) the 11th September 2001 attacks on the USA lack credibility.
- That Flight UA93 was not shot down.
- That bin Laden had declared his intention to destroy the WTC towers (the original target of the failed 1993 attack) as ‘revenge’ for America’s policies towards the Middle East.
Mr Bradley seems uncomfortable about accepting this points, so I will put his lack of an adequate rejoinder on record.
Distract – Mr Bradley’s post sets up a straw man, in that he points to previous examples of covert and discreditable activity by the US government (notably the ‘Green Light’ given by the Ford Administration with Indonesia’s annexation of East Timor in 1975). In the process, he also engages in established canards about the Kennedy assassination (comprehensively refuted here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7184933155238761777; Mr Bradley also erred grossly in stating that the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that two gunmen had been involved in the killing of JFK http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/arrb98/part03.htm) and on Pearl Harbor. Speaking as a historian, no reputable scholar worth his or her salt treats claims of foreknowledge on FDR’s part of a Japanese attack on Hawaii as being in any way credible. Parenthetically, one must also wonder why someone like Mr Bradley thinks that it was in any way discreditable for the USA to become involved in the war against the Axis powers. For someone who is supposedly sensitive to governments committing acts of mass murder, Auschwitz and Nanking seem to be small beer.
Perhaps Mr Bradley could also tell me where I – or any other contributor to Counterknowledge – have said that the US government (and other allied governments such as that of the UK) are squeaky clean, and have never been involved in any dirty tricks whatsoever at any point in their history. What I have done is stated that any acts of malfeasance by a democratic government – be it Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Sevres meeting of 1956 or the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior – usually become public knowledge shortly after they are committed, and that efforts at a cover-up by the Nixon and Reagan administrations (or the governments of Eden and Mitterand) do not survive scrutiny by democratic legislatures and a free press. A further point here is that Watergate did not actually kill American citizens (and with reference to the Iran-Contra scandal, the Reagan administration’s intention – by trading arms for hostages held in Lebanon – the intention was to save American lives). In contrast, ‘truthers’ are arguing that members of the US government – not just Bush, or Cheney, or all of the standard hate figures, but a host of lowly bureaucrats, law enforcement officers and military personnel – either connived in, or committed, one of the most heinous acts of mass killing to take place on American soil. This is a significant allegation to make, and given the sheer number of people who are being tarnished with it, it is up to the ‘truth movement’ to argue their case effectively and prove their allegations, rather than demand that they be accepted at face value. And this is precisely Mr Bradley’s problem.
Distort – Mr Bradley says that he ‘[takes] exception with the portrayal of all 9/11 research as false, and all Truthers as either liars or nuts’. He does not, however, help himself by indulging in his own mainpulation of the historical record. Take his assertion that ‘according to the testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, Dick Cheney not only lied about the time he arrived at the PEOC bunker, but he knew for at least 10 minutes beforehand about Flight 77 heading for the Pentagon yet refused to try to warn the Pentagon or intercept the Flight’. The ‘stand-down’ myth can be dealt with by a simple consultation of the record. Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 09:37 on the 11th September. According to Admiral James Underwood (USCG), one of Mineta’s aides, the Transport Secretary left to go to the PEOC at 0945 (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01089.pdf). Assuming that Mineta has his testimony correct, he is clearly referring to Flight 93 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwFGLIsIBuM&feature=related). There is no way whatsoever that Mineta could have been in a room with Cheney, hearing the Vice-President give the order to avoid shooting down a hijacked airliner unless time-travel was involved. Incidentally, Clarke’s own account of the morning of 9/11 confirms this timeline (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b_0_14?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=richard+clarke+against+all+enemies&sprefix=Richard+Clarke).
Secondly, there is the issue of the supposed ‘change’ in Standard Operating Procedures in June 2001 ‘which were altered to require approval from Secretary of Defense before NORAD could respond with “potentially lethal support” (launching combat aircraft) to an emergency call’. The two sets of orders dated 31st July 1997 (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf) and 1st June 2001 (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf) can be seen here. There is not a single reference to shooting down airliners in either of these documents – only a reference to the ‘Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects’ (defined as UAVs, missiles, loose weather balloons), and in both cases the guidance is identical. Mr Bradley also ignores the fact that strict rules related to the Posse Comitatus Act governed the use of US military forces on American soil prior to September 2001 (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00578.pdf). Is he saying that US military officers should have devised of their own bat measures to shoot down hijacked aircraft without reference to their civilian superiors?
Mr Bradley baldly states – without offering any evidence – that there are supposed discrepancies between the timings offered by the FAA and NORAD for the morning of the attacks (he can check the following - http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm, and also http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/index.htm if he needs to refresh his memory). He also falsely implies that ‘multiple military exercises, remarkably similar to the 9/11 attack, were scheduled for the morning of September 11, 2001, although military officials refuse to confirm who scheduled these drills during the very time of the real attack’. Never mind the fact that in my original post I referred to only two exercises (Vigilant Resolve – based at NEADS – and Northern Vigilance – in the Northern Pacific). Neither of these dealt with a scenario ‘remarkably similar to the 9/11 attack’, unless Mr Bradley wants to be a real revisionist and claim that the WTC towers and the Pentagon were bombed by Russian Tu-95s (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/tu-95-pics.htm). He need not take my word for it. Let’s see the testimony from NORAD officers (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf):
- Col Randy Morris (USAF), ‘there was a “beefed up” posturing of NORAD’s air defense fighters due to a planned Russian Bear exercise’ (p.3. Bear being the NATO code-name for the Russian Tu-95 long-range bomber).
- Lt Col Steve Usher (USAF), ‘recalled that on 9/11 he monitored the Vigilant Guardian exercise’s air tasking order prior to the hijacking events’ (p.6). Usher also recalls that it was only after 9/11 that the FAA and NORAD worked out rules of engagement for 9/11-style scenarios.
- General Larry Arnold (USAF), noted that in the 1990s NORAD’s mission shifted from air defence to ‘air sovereignty’, which ‘was intended to maintain control and prevent illegal entries’ into US airspace (my emphasis, JW). Arnold ‘noted that the Hart- Rudman study indicated terrorists, rogues and rogue states were the greatest threats to the national security of the United States. He explained that he took note of this, and that he concentrated on this threat’s potential to come from outside the borders of the country’ (p.10, my emphasis, JW – i.e., he did not anticipate the hijacking of US civilian aircraft from domestic airports, and their use as aerial bombs. See also p.12).
Furthermore, Mr Bradley also chose to ignore my point about how depleted NORAD’s resources were as a result of budget and force cuts in the post-Cold War period. These were certainly of concern to Maj Gen Craig McKinley (USAF) – see pp.20-21 of the document I linked to. In other words, the key constraints on the US air defence network prior to 9/11 was that (1) it was oriented to face external threats, and (2) it had limited aircraft available for internal air defence. Furthermore, Lt Col Usher and Col Morris’ comments show that the exercises did not involve the deployment of real aircraft, and that claims by ‘truthers’ that aircraft were diverted away from the Eastern seaboard in order to allow the 9/11 attacks to take place are completely without substance (also confirmed here, http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00778.pdf).
Thirdly, let us deal with the specifics of the pre-9/11 warnings. There were more detailed intelligence indicators which led – for example – to heightened security at the G7 Summit in Genoa in July 2001, and also the temporary closure of the US embassy in Yemen earlier that year. Yet Mr Bradley’s claims ‘of over 50 warnings received from June to September 10, 2001 which repeatedly specify, “Al-Qaeda attack, suicide hijackers, target in NY - WTC.”’ are a fabrication (see, for example, pp.219-229 of Thomas Copeland’s book, Fool Me Twice, available here http://bl147w.blu147.mail.live.com/mail/InboxLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&n=60689143; ironically enough, the ‘truther’ website which Mr Bradley links do also does not support such a bald assertion; http://www.americanhiroshima.com/911warnings.htm). Let us also see what participants who responded to 9/11 recall.
- Underwood noted that the Department of Transportation was more sensitive to terrorist threats after the Cole, and that ‘the feeling in the summer of 2001 was that something might be going on in the Middle East’ (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01089.pdf). No hint of an attack on US soil here.
- Lt Col Dawne Deskins (USAF) notes that ‘[she] does not recall ever personally designing an exercise in which a decision was made to shoot down [a] hijacked aircraft. A typical design would include course deviation in which the hijacker forces the pilot to fly to a designated landing point’ (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00778.pdf). The clear implication of this is that military planning focused on traditional hijackings (where passengers were taken hostage) rather than the use of passenger aircraft as flying IEDs.
- Maj Gen McKinley noted that ‘if exercises did take place that can be compared to the 9/11 hijack attacks then there were no intelligence warnings that drove these exercises. He noted that “the exercise kids probably put on their creative hats” and developed interesting scenarios to test the operations capabilities of their sectors but there was no indication that the scenarios paralleled a credible threat’. McKinley states that ‘to his knowledge before he left the Pentagon there were no 9/11-type scenarios built into their exercises. The hijack scenarios that were exercised involved a successful escort to landing and negotiations with the hijackers’ (p.21, emphasis added – JW http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf). Incidentally, McKinley left his post in DOD in July 2002.
- William A. Scott (USAF-Retired) – interestingly enough, Scott notes that there a sentiment within the DOD prior to 9/11 that NORAD was a ‘”sunset” mission’, and that the command might be abolished as being no longer necessary. Scott was part of a USAF team set up to address NORAD’s roles in 1998, and in discussion potential threats the only scenarios officials could come up with was an external ‘asymmetric’ attack – such as a cruise missile launch from offshore (pp.26-28, http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf).
Fourthly, on the so-called ‘whistle-blowers’. John O’Neill made it clear that rivals and unsympathetic superiors within the FBI were the main source of his problems. Sibel Edmonds joined the Bureau after 9/11, so quite what she has to say about the state of investigations prior to the September 2001 attacks is beyond me. Lt Col Anthony Shaffer worked for the DIA, not the FBI, and his claims about Able Danger bear little substance. In particular, claims that Mohamed Atta and other hijackers were identified in May 1999 as part of a ‘Brooklyn Cell’ are undermined by the fact that he and the rest of the ‘Hamburg Cell’ were still in Germany, and did not enter the USA until the spring of 2000 (see Jason Burke, Al Qaeda (London: Penguin 2007, pp.244-245). The veracity (or otherwise) of Shaffer’s claims about Able Danger are dealt with here (http://www.dodig.osd.mil/fo/Foia/ERR/r_H05L97905217-PWH.pdf), here (http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-08-12_pr.pdf) and here (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Able_Danger).
Coleen Rowley’s account supports claims of obstruction as a product of bureaucratic inertia, rather than anything more sinister (http://www.911myths.com/html/coleen_rowley.html). Robert Wright’s frustrations over counter-terrorism ended when he was reassigned in August 1999 – yes, that’s right, when Clinton was still President. Mr Bradley would have us believe that the powers of the Bush administration in obstructing the anti-al Qaeda effort are so powerful that they can be exercised even when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al are not in office (http://www.911myths.com/html/robert_wright.html).
Kenneth Williams and Harry Samit’s frustrations with Moussawi extended to their own field offices, not higher up the chain of command (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0DE0DD173FF93AA25755C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3&pagewanted=print). In each of these cases, claims of a conspiracy of silence at the highest levels remain long on assertion and short on substance.
Deny – Mr Bradley continues to harp on about the Afghan pipeline even though it is perfectly clear that UNOCAL’s efforts to build this project – which Marty Miller referred to as a ‘moon shot’ – ended after the US cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan (the reprisals for the Kenyan and Tanzanian bombings) in August 1998 (http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00728.pdf). Mr Bradley is also untroubled by the need to show a causal link between UNOCAL’s failed negotiations, and the TAPI pipeline he referred to in his original post (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2608713.stm). His assertion that he is only interested in determining the evidence is undermined by such sleights of hand.
Mr Bradley’s comments on NSPD-9 are also hopelessly off the mark. Ironically enough, he seems to be relying here on former Defense Secretary Donald Rumseld’s claims as to what this document involved (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-9.htm). Having stated at the outset that government statements cannot be relied upon, Mr Bradley decides that on this occasion Rummy was telling the truth. In much the same way, Mr Bradey cannot make up his mind as to whether the FBI is complicit in the official ‘cover up’ on 9/11, or whether its investigations were impeded by the White House. Consistency is most certainly not his forte.
The precise contents of NSPD-9 remain open to question, as the document is still classified. It is also important to understand that the debate about NSPD-9 revolves around the dispute between the Bush administration and former NSC Counter-terrorism co-ordinator Richard Clarke over the latter’s claims that prior to 9/11 Bush Jr and his advisors were insouciant in the face of the al-Qaeda threat (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm). We have no idea as to how many iterations NSPD-9 went through pre-and post-9/11, but what we do know thanks to Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon was that the original discussion on this document at the Principals meeting on 4th September 2001 focused on targeting al-Qaeda’s finances, proposals to aid the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, and also an inconclusive discussion on whether Predator UAVs should be armed for operations over Afghanistan, and who should have the authority to use them (see the following, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Terror-Daniel-Benjamin-Steven/dp/0375508597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236599407&sr=1-1 pp.345-346; see also http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,993730-3,00.html). I also refer back to my original comments from Steve Coll relating to the tentative nature of such proposals – notably the fact that no one discussed how the proposals implemented in NSPD-9 should be funded (Coll, Ghost Wars, p.580).
Further evidence to suggest that the Bush administration had no war plan to invade Afghanistan and overthrow the Taliban can be seen in its incoherent response in the aftermath of 9/11 (see, for example, Frederick Kagan, Finding the Target. The Transformation of American Military Power (NY: Encounter Books 2006), chapter 8). In the days following the attacks, administration officials suggested that Mullah Omar’s government may be spared overthrow if it broke ranks with al-Qaeda, and indeed Bush’s ultimatum of 20th September 2001 gave the Taliban leadership the option of averting war by handing over the al-Qaeda leadership and closing al-Qaeda and other jihadi training camps (such as those used by militants sent to Kashmir) (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/). The fact that terms were offered which gave the Taliban a peaceful option disproves the image Mr Bradley portrays of an administration hell-bent on war and invasion. It was the Taliban’s intransigent rejection of these terms – based on its own ideological bent and also its financial and military reliance on al-Qaeda – which made war inevitable, so we need not hear any more moonshine about PNAC (which never even mentioned Afghanistan or al-Qaeda) or pipelines (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml).
Finally, we have Mr Bradley’s pathetic insistence that molten steel was found in the remains of the two WTC towers, despite evidence to the contrary, as cited here:
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminium (sic – US spelling here) alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.
Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
Mr Bradley also repeats the anti-scientific nonsense spouted about nano-thermite (refuted here http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf, pp.55-78; and here http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=18&id=86, pp.67-69), which clearly puts him in the same camp as the ‘controlled demolition theorists’. This begs certain questions which I think he needs to answer.
1. Do any accredited experts in pyrotechnics and explosives confirm your ‘hypothesis’ about nano-thermite?
2. Following on from my questions here, can you explain how WTC1, 2 and 7, were rigged for demolition without any one either working in the building or in the vicinity noticing anything amiss (http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/5-more-questions-for-911-truthers/)?
3. If you are trying to argue that three tall buildings can be clandestinely prepared for a controlled demolition, are there any specialists in CD who can confirm that this is possible?
4. If you are trying to claim a US government role in the 9/11 attacks, then do you honestly think it is credible that the perfect ‘false flag’ attack – involving 4 hijackings, the ‘sheep-dipping’ of 19 suspects, and the rigging of 3 buildings for demolition – can be arranged in the eight months between the Republican administration’s inauguration and the 11th September 2001?
Mr Bradley pompously notes that in light of his assertions I and other critics of the ‘truth movement’ can ‘now actually see 9/11 in a historical context and cede that maybe, just maybe, a new investigation is warranted’. Yet he can only go so far with rehashes of discredited claims, bad science and a lousy grasp of the historical record. If Mr Bradley wants to delude himself by clinging dogmatically to flimsy ‘theories’, and by systematically ignoring the vast mass of evidence which proves al-Qaeda’s complicity in one of the most grotesque acts of terrorism in recent history, then he is welcome to his illusions. But he should also not be surprised if those of us who prefer verifiable claims based on firm evidence – as opposed to the blinkered fanaticism – treat his brand of counter-knowledge with the contempt it deserves.
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Thank you for fact-checking these phony “truthers.” Would you also be willing to fact-check a REAL 9/11 related conspiracy?
I have been working with Tom Burnett Sr. (father of Flight 93 hero Tom Jr.) to stop the Park Service from planting a giant Mecca-oriented crescent atop his son’s grave. The Memorial Project has denied to the press several times that the giant crescent (originally named “Crescent of Embrace”) points to Mecca (within 2 degrees of Mecca is our claim), but it literally takes only 2 minutes for anyone to verify the rough Mecca-orientation for themselves. Just use the Mecca-direction calculator at Islam.com to print out the direction to Mecca from the crash-site, then place this printout over the Crescent site plan on your computer screen. Source documents available here:
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/VerifyingMeccaOrientation.htm
To be precise, the crescent points 1.8 degrees north of Mecca, + or - a tenth of a degree. This turns the giant Islamic-shaped crescent into a mihrab (the Mecca-direction indicator around which every mosque is built). The planned memorial is actually a terrorist memorial mosque.
Other Islamic and terrorist memorializing features:
–The 9/11 date will be inscribed on a separate section of Memorial Wall that is centered on the center-line of the giant crescent. That is the exact position of the star on an Islamic crescent and star flag. The date goes to the star on an Islamic flag. THE DATE GOES TO THE TERRORISTS.
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/VerifyingDateAsStar.htm
–The entire multi-Mecca oriented geometry of the giant central crescent is exactly repeated in the giant array of crescents that surround the Tower of Voices part of the memorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVKKoGRVFw
–The minaret-like Tower of Voices turns out to be a year round accurate Islamic prayer-time sundial.
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/proof.htm
These and a host of other terrorist memorializing features all remain completely intact in the so-called redesign. They call it “Circle of Embrace” now, but the Park Service’s own website acknowledges that the circle is still broken. The unbroken part of the circle——what is symbolically left standing in the wake of 9/11——remains exactly as it was in the original Crescent of Embrace. It is is still a giant Islamic-shaped crescent, still pointing to Mecca.
Mr. Burnett has issued repeated appeals to nation to please check the facts about this terrorist memorializing design and to help him “do something,” as his son telephoned that he was going to “do something” about the original hijacking of Flight 93, yet our newspapers have refused to cover this story. Mr. Burnett’s appeal for fact-checking and exposure has not even gotten out, never mind been heeded. As fact-checking is your chosen portfolio, might you please heed this request, and publish your findings? Video of Mr. Burnett’s appeal to the American people here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z1QN6m_QI
Full expose: http://www.CrescentOfBetrayal.com
Updates: http://www.ErrorTheory.blogspot.com
Contact: alec@rawls.org
If you would like to speak to the Burnetts, you can reach them through me.
Wow. Another great post and points well made. If only the truthers had a spokesman that could, with facts and knowledge, put together a legit and comprehensive arguement. But, alas, they can’t because their ideas are based on lies, half-truths, innuendo and bullshit.
I find it laughable that the truthers think that this was an iside job. The US Government can’t even keep a lid on their most secret and sensitive projects, yet for almost 8 years not a peep has been made and no “classified” or open evidence has been produced.
A good an thorough article that no “truther” will read properly. Honestly, to still be spinning this garbage you have to be deep in denial.
Here’s a good resource on NORAD and its response on the day:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70300
And here’s some stuff about the Afghan pipeline that never was, probably never will be, and will hardly benefit the US if it does come into being:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=103008
If you want to have some more fun try asking the “truthers” how a new investigation should be funded, who would carry it out, who they would call as witnesses and what those witnesses should be asked. Also, what physical evidence should the investigation be looking at again, and what historical evidence should they re-examine?
What would indicate some sort of conspiracy at odds with what we generally believe to have happened? What would make them accept that their ideas have no foundation?
And, most importantly, what are they doing to bring this investigation about?
They have to take it beyond “that looks odd”. For example, if they think that the Mineta testimony is important, they have to say what it means and state how they would going about proving that Dick Cheney did something to aid the attacks. The same with Silvestein and his “pull it”. I could say something much less ambiguous like “I wish you were dead”, but that wouldn’t prove I had murdered the person I said it to, if they later died.
I guarantee you’ll just get subjects changing, evasion and more asking questions and ignoring the answers. The fact that no truther has even taken the smallest of practical steps towards confirming their suspicions is a clear sign that they are flotaing around in a fantasy world with no intention of dispelling it.
The closest they’ve got is a couple of proposed investigations, which are so vague as to be laughable:
http://www.nyc911initiative.org/
http://www.911realinvestigation.org/
Truthers love to talk about how all they want is a “real investigation” but they don’t seem to have even the slightest clue about how such an investigation would work.
Great post. And keep it up. Sometimes calm rational argument works: http://extruther.blogspot.com/
Great post, but probably not worth the time and effort. 9/11 “truth” is really a religion, and just as there’s no convincing a creationist of the fact of evolution, no matter how much evidence you present, there’s no convincing a “truther” of the facts of 9/11.
Honestly, it’s best to just enjoy the “truth” movement as the bizarre comedy spectacle that it is. As long as all they do is yell at people like Bill Maher rather than engage in violence, we should all have a good laugh at their expense.
New Yorker
Unfortunately that attitude is precisely why Creationists can lobby to get Intelligent Design taught in schools and why the British health care system subsidizes homeopathic placebos.
“Finally, we have Mr Bradley’s pathetic insistence that molten steel was found in the remains of the two WTC towers, despite evidence to the contrary, as cited here:”
Certainly there was plenty of molten aluminum to be found on site, but let’s not leave room for Stewart to continue to hold fast to the notion that his oft quoted study of eutectic compounds found within samples of steel from the rubble pile indicate a controlled demolition. Nor let us allow him the notion that such steel melted at temperatures that were inconsistent with the “official story.”
Ironically he has held to both claims, oblivious of the fact that they are contradictory. Eutectic compounds, by their definition, lower the melting point of the original components. The word itself is derived from a Greek word which means “easily melted.”
The existence of the eutectic compound in partially melted steel belies the notion that the steel could have been subjected to temperatures that could melt pure steel. The absence of temperatures that can melt pure steel belies notion that a thermite reaction created the eutectic alloy.
I’ve responded to this claim of his many times. In all instances he has failed to even attempt a rebuttal, instead he chooses to simply restate the original claim. I was very disappointed to see it yet again in his response to you. He has yet to demonstrate that he understands the science behind his claim, he has failed to provide valid explanation of the leap he makes regarding the conclusion he draws from the study, and he has done nothing but ignore any attempt to educate him on the subject.
Thank you all for your comments.
New Yorker, I see your point, but I still think it necessary to take on 9/11 liars head-on. Not to convince them to change their minds - that’s pointless, as you say - but to ensure that if any third parties do read my stuff (and that of other debunkers), they don’t get suckered in by the ‘truthers’.
‘He has yet to demonstrate that he understands the science behind his claim, he has failed to provide valid explanation of the leap he makes regarding the conclusion he draws from the study, and he has done nothing but ignore any attempt to educate him on the subject.’
Behind the better grammar, the more controlled prose, and the veneer of politeness, Mr Bradley differs little from other ‘truthers’ in this crucial respect.
New Yorker
You’re right of course, I would add to that all of the categories of counterknowledge regularly blogged here: scientologists, creationists, holocaust deniers, whatever.
I don’t agree it’s a waste of time to expose them for what they are. As funny as it sounds to us today, and as comical as they appear today, misinformation has a way of seeping into all aspects of our society, and gaining credibility simply by the passing of time, better editing, fading memories and shifting politics.
In the decades following WW2, holocaust denial was a laughable sideshow of ragtag malcontents working out of their basements and writing in silly home made journals.
I don’t think that’s true of holocaust denial today.
Sadly, we need to constantly challenge these psuedo-religionists before they gain the credibility that comes with age and better packaging
unforunately, there is no way to change a mind infected by conspiracy fables (or at least, very little chance).
But it is true, we need to make the effort: not by reasoning by the setting out to destroy the `troofers” arguments and credibility in those who are inclined to believe `softly’ in conspiracies (that is, they have no intention of `investigating’ these matters themselves, but rather, believe what conspiracy fabulists tell them: I would consider the vast majority of the 70% or whatever of the u.s. public who believes in conspiracy wrt to the Kennedy assassination, are `soft’ conspiracists).
“New Yorker, I see your point, but I still think it necessary to take on 9/11 liars head-on. Not to convince them to change their minds - that’s pointless, as you say - but to ensure that if any third parties do read my stuff (and that of other debunkers), they don’t get suckered in by the ‘truthers’.”
Right, that’s what’s important: vaccinating people against “truth” before they become infected. Obviously, I think it’s good to take on 9/11 “truth” in a blog that’s dedicated to debunking all sorts of myths and pseudoscience. I was merely commenting on the unlikelihood that Stewart Bradley would ever change his mind on this, as the post was directed at him. With rare exception, once one is a “truther”, there’s no going back.
“Assuming that Mineta has his testimony correct, he is clearly referring to Flight 93″
I just want to point out that Norman Mineta is very clearly referring to Flight 77, the plane which hit the Pentagon.
He is very specific about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbYwPQ9pTzk
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Fraser
All you have to do is explain what your best evidence is that 911 was an inside job. Just summarise, in say four sentences, what it is.
If it is good evidence, I will agree with you that 911 was an inside job……. Just one good bit of evidence….You must have at least one good reason to believe what you do.
Whereas I am prepared to believe you, I will bet you your very best bit of evidence has already been debunked.
Fraser - like many a truther - is missing the point, wilfully or otherwise. If Mineta is claiming that his testimony relates to AA77, then his recollections are spectacularly wrong. The Pentagon was struck at 09:37, and Mineta did not leave for the PEOC until 7 minutes later. That is documented, as I have shown in my post.
There is no way anyone who is of sound mind and who is properly conversant in the facts can conclude that his testimony offers evidence of a deliberate standdown ordered by the then-Vice President in order to ensure that flight 77 crashed into its target. Fraser’s persistence in pursuing this red-herring shows that he has the same tendency of wilful ignorance as Mr Bradley does.
The thing is though, Mr Welch, according to the pdf you linked to, Admiral James Underwood doesn’t say that Mineta left to go to the PEOC bunker at 09.45.
What it says is that by 9.45 he had already left.
Meaning that he left to go to the PEOC at an unspecified time before 09.45.
So this doesn’t necessarily contradict Minetas testimony.
“[U] Underwood said he watched on CNN as the second airplane went into the WTC. At
9:45 the Secretary had already departed for the PEOC.”
‘At 9:45 the Secretary had already departed for the PEOC’.
Suggesting that he was en route, rather than actually there. My comments still stand. Underwood’s testimony also matches the timeline in the Commission report, and also the account provided by Richard Clarke in his memoirs (and let us not forget that Clarke was - as I have noted above - no friend of the Bush administration).
So I stand by the facts and the evidence. It is simply not possible that Mineta was in a position to see Cheney order subordinates to stand down jets in order to facilitate the strike on the Pentagon. Having said that, I have a feeling that you are not going to let this canard rest.
Fraser
Your best evidence please….surely it cannot be hard for you….if you really had anything …………..
Amazing post, as were the others. Thank you for your incredible time and effort in the fight of supporting real truth instead of stupid conspiracy theories.
These “truthers” (in reality, simply “liars”) will never let go. They live in their own dark world of conspiracy theories, evil Jews, alien machinations to control the government, and black helicopters who come to take them away. It is a paranoid little world made by small minds - trapping them in a dark room from whence they refuse to come out. They are comfortable there.
To them, all “questions” are answered by fallacies piled up on each other. They start with a fallacy, and they add yet another to fill the gaps.
I knew on the morning of 9/11 (I was there, in NYC) that Bin Laden had done it - when the first plane had hit. I knew it because Bin Laden had said all along that he wanted to attack us. I knew it because Bin Laden had attacked us before. I knew it because of Occam’s Razor and, frankly, because I am not an idiot.
In the same way that I know that it is most likely that a suicide bomber blowing himself up in a cafe in Israel comes from the Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or the Tanzim, usually without needing much confirmation by Israeli sources, I also knew that the plane ramming into the WTC was from Al Qaeda.
To think otherwise, from the onset, one would have to start with the supposition that it was a conspiracy, and to discount the entire history of the methodology of suicide terrorism. One would have to discount the entire history of the use of suicide terrorists against the West in general. One would also have to discount the entire history of Bin Laden, his statements, his “poetry”, and his speeches. And in so discounting everything previously, only then could one be so insanely moronic as to start building these conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately, their “movement” will never truly die. We don’t really teach enough history and science at an early age to immunize people against this sort of disease. But the more posts like this which expose them for the deceivers which they truly are might immunize others from joining up.
So thank you again for standing up for the real truth in the face of these conspiracy-minded liars.
They’re not truthers, they’re just sick and deluded people.
As with any fringe group, whether it be Area 51, psychic phenomena, the JFK assassination or 911, we must realize that there are at least two distinct subsets of persons within that group.
1. The first consists of those looking for “signs and portents”. These persons are either willfully blind, or are too dimwitted to understand the complexity of the event.
2. The second subset consists of those who feed, and feed upon, the myth. Many of this second group may indeed be intelligent enough to realize that the theory is crap, but they have an interest in furthering it in order to accomplish political, emotional or monetary goals.
None of this should be taken as saying that we should ignore these myths. Fighting stupidity is a noble cause, and fighting the charlatans who feed upon the ignorent is theoretically a holy war.
Charlie
Mr Welch
“Suggesting that he was en route, rather than actually there. ”
……which is already different from what you originally said, which was that Mineta “left to go to the PEOC at 0945″.
According to Richard Clarke in his memoirs, Mineta was en route to the PEOC at 09.28.
“……. Mineta called in from his car and I asked him to come directly to the Situation Room. He had two sons who were pilots for United. He did not know where they were that day. I suggested he join the Vice President…………….It was now 9:28.”
So I think it is possible that Mineta was there before AA77 hit the Pentagon.
It’s certainly not impossible.
This seems to me more likely than a scenario where the Transportation Secretary is in the emergency bunker and is completely unaware (and no-one thinks to tell him) that a passenger plane has recently crashed into the Pentagon.
What do you think ?
You’ve completely disregarded the testimony.
“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand”
He says he was there when the plane was 50 miles out. The the commission report says:
“At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged; the aircraft was at 7,000 feet and approximately 38 miles west of the Pentagon.”
Clark says Mineta was in his car at 9:28. The plane, traveling at +-370 MPH in autopilot, is doing approx. 6 miles a minute.
Thus, according to Clark, Mineta wasn’t there when the plane was 50 miles out to watch “the young man come in” and speak to the VP.
And that, I think, wraps that one up.
I will concede that I may have got the timings wrong, but I stand by my statement on Mineta’s testimony. It does not in any way support the ‘theory’ about a deliberate standdown.
“prime example of how a ‘truther’ words”
edit - I think you mean “works” not words.
For me, the truthers are a joke because I witnessed the plane slam into the Pentagon. But nice work on the flensing.
Charlie - Excellent summary of the various psychologies involved in conspiracy theories of this sort. What’s I find interesting is that the people in the first group - the truthers - are no more willing to believe that second group - those who are supporting the truthers for personal gain only - exists than they are willing to believe the actual truth of the event. The truthers are so blind that they think everyone on their team is just like them, rather than someone who knows their stories are crap but who nonethless wants to profit from them.
Combating idiots is frustrating, but when those people become Useful Idiots, with their whacko theories being used to advance some truly noxious agendas, it is essential that we continue to fight against them.
“And that, I think, wraps that one up”….and that was their “best” evidence….I wonder why I waste my time with these conspiriloons. You really do have to wonder what motivates them in the first place.
Actually I was mistaken about the timeline given by Richard Clarke in his book .
The time of 9.28 is when Clarke says he had a conversation with Acting Joint Chief of Staff Richard Myers about setting up a Combat Air Patrol over Washington, this means that he actually met with Mineta upon his arrival at the PEOC some time before this.
This supports Minetas claim that he arrived there at about 9.20.
Apologies for this inaccuracy.
I ask you, do you seriously believe that it’s possible that the Transportation Secretary could be in PEOC bunker and not be aware that a passenger plane had already crashed into the Pentagon ?
That no-one would have told him this ?
And if the “the plane is 50 miles out” conversation had actually been about Flight 93, what was the anticipated target of the flight ?
“50 miles out” from what ?
Couple of points. The Paranoid Style in American Politics remains an excellent overview of how conspiracy theorists work. What’s morbidly fascinating is that viewed historically conspiracists tend to exhibit the same tendencies throughout decades and through various conspiracies. At some point, when the same phenomenon reemerges again and again despite time and circumstance, it becomes high time to look for the roots of conspiracy theories in the human psyche and not as a reflection of the external world.
One of the points made in the Paranoid Style is the unusual relationship conspiracists have to evidence. They do not derive the conspiracy from a dispassionate review of the evidence. Rather they make pedantic use of evidence to protect the conspiracy that they passionately believe in. That is why you see the same obsessive relationship to an ever growing edifice of seemingly esoteric facts and details from one conspiracy theory to another.
On that point, trying to engage a conspiracist in a rational discussion of the evidence, while useful to others, is towards the conspiracist a waste of energy. The conspiracist’s relationship to evidence was never honest or rational to begin with. So too, the need to protect the cherished conspiratorial belief requires deliberately shielding this belief behind such a surfeit of details that the process of debunking is necessarily time consuming to the extent that most people won’t make the effort. Nor will the result be acknowledged if they do.
Bottom line, either people have real, tangible evidence to support their theories or they blowing the usual smoke.
.
“50 miles out” from what ?”
I knew you were going to ask that despite the fact that you’ve already made the assertion that the 50 miles out meant 50 miles out from the Pentagon. You certainly presented yourself as if you knew what the 50 miles out meant. Does this mean that you don’t have evidence that 50 miles out means the Pentagon like you claimed just a few posts ago? Did you forget what that evidence was, or did you never have it?
Ironic that when you’re proven wrong, it suddenly becomes ambiguous what 50 miles out might mean.
The clear answer is, there isn’t enough evidence there to say. You’re the one filling in the blanks here. You’re filling in a blank regarding what the order was. You’re filling in a blank regarding what the target was. You’re filling in a blank regarding what time Mineta arrived. Your filling in the blank regarding the VP’s intent, and your filling in the blank regarding Mineta’s veracity.
It’s like truther mad-libs around here.
Alright, here’s what Mineta said he did after he got out of his car:
“When I got to the White House, it was being evacuated*. I met briefly with Richard Clark, a National Security Council staff member, who had no new information. Then the Secret Service escorted me down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, otherwise known as the PEOC. I established contact on two lines, one with my chief of staff at the Department of Transportation, and the second with Monty Belger, the acting deputy administrator of the FAA, and Jane Garvey, both of whom were in the FAA operations center. And as the minutes passed, the developing picture from air traffic control towers and radar screens became increasingly more alarming. Some aircraft could not be contacted. While on a normal day that may be just a communications snafu, we were faced with trying to quickly sort out minor problems from significant threats. We did not know how many more attacks might be in progress. ”
* He said the White House was being evacuated when he got there. He further clarifies that statement here:
“I grabbed some manuals and some papers, went down to the car, and we went over to the White House. As we went in West Executive Drive, people pouring out of the Executive Office building, people running out of the White House, and I said to my driver and security guy, “Is there something wrong with this picture? We are driving in, and everybody else is running away.”
What time did people start running from the whitehouse?
Hmm.
CNN says 9:45
“Although a slow evacuation of the White House begins around 9:20 a.m. (see (9:22 a.m.) September 11, 2001), it is not until 9:45 that the Secret Service orders people to run from there (see (9:45 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [CNN, 9/11/2001; CNN, 9/12/2001; ABC News, 9/11/2002]”
Even so, let’s take the 9:20 time line. Let’s say he was there right when people started leaving. When he gets to the White House the plane is 86 miles out by my estimation. According to Mineta, he met with Clark, was escorted to the PEOC set up shop in the PEOC, and they had no idea how many more attacks were in progress. How long did that take? If the plane was 38 miles out from the Pentagon @ 9:28 that means it was 50 miles out at 9:26. Do you think he had time to do all that in 6 minutes?
50 miles out from what indeed.
I’ve checked again Clarke’s memoirs. He clearly states that he talks to Mineta before he talks to Myers (timing the latter conversation at 09.28). Clarke also recalls Myers saying that it would take 15 minutes to put a Combat Air Patrol over Washington. 2 fighters had just scrambled from Otis AB (at Cape Cod), and 2 were due to be launched from Langley (near Norfolk, Virginia).
So the planes were due to be over the capital by around 09:43-09:45. I would like to remind Fraser again as to the time when the Pentagon was struck: 09:37. The simple fact is that the planes which were scrambled to cover Washington DC would not have arrived in time to prevent AA77 from crashing into the Department of Defense. This is yet another nail in the coffin that is the standdown claim.
Fraser
OK. Its been established you do not have any facts or good evidence. Surprising, given you are a member of the 911 “Truth” movement.
Do you even have any plausible lies or half truths?
Else you could consider joining this guys movement :
http://extruther.blogspot.com/
Failing that, psychiatry is probably the next best option.
As a correction I should add here that it was the Langley jets that were scrambled for the CAP over Washington. In any case, they were not going to make it in time to shoot down AA77 before it hit the Pentagon.
9/11 as an inside job makes no sense. But the official story makes even less sense.
I like to concentrate on simple issues. The simplest of all seems to me the issue of UA 93.
You wrote “15. That Flight UA93 was not shot down.”
I rejoiced: finally someone has squared the theory of the jet hitting a field in Pennsylvania with the facts of debris falling over many square miles. So I looked all over your articles for an explanation of your conclusion 15, and I find statements of faIth, but no explanations.
On the ’shoot down theory’, read the following:
http://debunk911myths.org/topics/United_Airlines_Flight_93
Note the following:
‘State trooper, Tom Spallone said the plane was still smoldering at 12:30. He said officials were trying to keep people from scene and confirmed that there are no survivors. He said the “debris field spread over an area size of a football field, maybe two footballs fields.” The impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he has seen there is no bigger than 2 feet.’
That seems to contradict your claim that debris fell ‘over many square miles’. See also the following:
http://www.freewebs.com/911guide/flight93.htm
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93page1
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:P200057-1.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:P200058-1.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:P200059-1.jpg
They HAVE no explanations…all they know is…”Mah gubbermint cudint hab dun dat!”
Yeah…NO WAY AT ALL.
Thank you for that very witty and incisive retort, hANOVER. That’s just the kind of deranged shriek that one can expect from a 9/11 (and a Holocaust) denier.
Welchy…John and I are awaiting you at the other posting…have your buttcheeks stopped chafing?
That “shriek”, as you put it, is simply a distillation of every response you nimrods have posted. Barry Jennings was murdered so that Michael Hess can lie his evil ass off - Mikey cannot even look into the camera with the lies spewing from his yapper.
And Welchy…let’s get this clear…I know 9/11 occurred…it just wasn’t orchestrated by Tim Osman, as you and the doops purport. And as for the Holocau$t…Boo! Bigfoot’s right behind you…
…oh, wait…that can’t be…BECAUSE IT DOESN’T EXIST.
Hello again my skeptical friends.
I have just finished “another” final rebuttal for Joseph Welch and hope you find it at least fair in it’s method and helpful in understanding my position. Sorry it took so long.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/04/conflicting-sources-another-final-note.html
Good day to all…… Stewart Bradley
‘Welchy…John and I are awaiting you at the other posting…have your buttcheeks stopped chafing?’
I hate to be the one to break this to you, fIST, but this is something called ‘the internet’, where all interaction is online. As far as yourself and the loathsome Mr Thames are concerned, I doubt very much that either or both of you could organise (to use a quote from a TV comedy series I occaisonally watch) ‘a bum-rape in a barracks’. In any case, if you want to see your collective serial ranting as some sort of ‘victory’, then fill your boots. Just remember that I actually teach students and get published. Mr Thames is reduced to writing shit online - knowing full well that no reputable publisher will publish him with a bargepole - and you are reduced to cutting and pasting on a blog which no one reads.
There is a reason why you and your kind are marginalised. It has nothing to do with any great conspiracy - but everything to do with the fact that you, Mr Thames and all the rest of your coterie are a bunch of failures and arseholes.
Mr Bradley, I have read your piss-poor attempt at a rebuttal, and will comment more extensively in due course. In the meantime, I would like to direct your attention to this piece - although knowing you ‘truthers’ penchant for self-deception, I’m sure you’ll ignore this the same way you ignore all the evidence which undermines your contention about 9/11 being an ‘inside job’:
http://counterknowledge.com/2009/03/what-al-qaeda-says-about-911/
Well Joseph, you may have read my “piss-poor attempt” but it’s obvious you did not understand it.
“The problem is distinguishing the points I really do concede with the points I disagree. A main example here is my admission that al-Qaeda certainly may have committed the attack, but I disagree with Mr Welch’s assumption that al-Qaeda could have no clandestine collaboration from within our own intelligence agencies.”
Do you recall this statement from my text? If there is collaboration between al-Qaeda and US intelligence then it stands to reason the al-Qaeda leaders would be participating in the deception of guilt. Your “What al-Qaeda says” post does not contradict that.
And have you learned anything new about Nano-thermites now that there is a peer reviewed paper on the topic?
Sorry my friend, but your in a state of deep denial.
Let me deal with your post in detail, and then your comments above.
Section 1.
In the “Dodge” section Mr Welch gives a list of points that I had “implicitly conceded defeat….but not had the moral courage to admit as such.” The problem is distinguishing the points I really do concede with the points I disagree. A main example here is my admission that al-Qaeda certainly may have committed the attack, but I disagree with Mr Welch’s assumption that al-Qaeda could have no clandestine collaboration from within our own intelligence agencies.
‘1. Mr Welch claims the al-Qaeda assassination of Ahmed Shah Massoud undermined US efforts to gain Northern Alliance support against the Taliban:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/27/europe/terror.php?
http://www.levif.be/actualite/belgique/72-56-17674/la-belge-malika-el-aroud–l-une-des-plus-influentes-djihadistes-sur-internet.html?
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/12/11/belgium
I claimed al-Qaeda could have been framed for the assassination and was consistent with US intention to install their own leader of Afghanistan:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309B.html
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/ASMassoud.html#fn30‘
I don’t know how to make this clearer to you, Mr Bradley. The French and Belgian authorities identified the two suicide bombers, both linked to al-Qaeda, and the former also convicted four men involved in the plot to kill Massoud in May 2005 (see my original sources). What part of this don’t you understand?
‘2. Mr Welch claims an absence of any contacts between US agencies and anti-Taliban forces:
Richard B. Andres, “Winning with Allies: The Strategic Value of the Afghan Model”, in International Security, Volume 30, Number 3, Winter 2005/06, pp. 124-160
William Maley, The Afghanistan Wars
I claim there were covert contacts between US intelligence and Northern Alliance forces:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/CIA18.html
http://www.americanspecialops.com/cia-special-operations/jawbreaker/‘
That’s a sly one. My original statement was that there were no covert contacts between the CIA (or any other US government agency) and the Northern Alliance to prepare for an offensive against the Taliban. I did not say that there were no clandestine contacts whatsoever. In fact, as Steve Coll notes in ‘Ghost Wars’ (pp.346-348), Gary Schroen did establish contact with Massoud on his missions to Afghanistan in the late 1990s. However, Schroen’s main brief was to try to buy back Stinger missiles provided to the Mujahidin during the 1980s, and as Coll notes, ‘Massoud and his advisors remained frustrated by the Americans. The United States was missing the main danger, they felt; the Taliban, Pakistani intelligence, and their Arab volunteers’. So if you are arguing that there was pre-planning between the CIA and NA before 9/11, you are wrong - and if you checked your sources properly, they don’t confirm that either.
‘.Mr Welch claims the dispersal of al-Qaeda’s leaders before 9/11 proves foreknowledge of the attack:
Lawrence Wright, The Looming Tower, pp.356-358
I claim that while the movement of al-Qaeda’s leaders may demonstrate their foreknowledge of the attack, it does not rule out covert US collaboration. The larger point I made was how these al-Qaeda leaders were “allowed” to escape into Pakistan:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0605.naylor.html
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1101ismailkhan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbQiSQFFh0‘
As I have already pointed out, the main reason why Bin Laden and several senior Taliban and AQ leaders were able to escape was because of the fact that the US war plan drawn up in the days after 9/11 relied on special forces personnel and air power in support of indigenous anti-Taliban forces, rather than a full-scale invasion with ground troops (as per Iraq in 2003). The latter would not only have been more time-consuming to implement (Mr Bradley - like many amateurs - underestimates the number of man-hours military staffs need to devote to the complex task of launching and sustaining an operation), but was also rejected by an administration which initially wanted to avoid a substantial military commitment to Afghanistan. This is in the public domain. A more detailed explanation can be seen in the publications I cite. Mr Bradley seems not to want to read them. Perhaps it is because he is in ‘a state of deep denial’.
‘Mr Welch claimed the failure at Tora Bora was due to the “improvised nature of CENTCOM’s war plan” and a reliance on Pashtun Afghan militiamen:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0304/p01s03-wosc.htm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htmlres=9F03EEDE1731F930A15751C1A9679C8B63&scp=1&sq=FAZAL+AHMAD&st=nyt
?http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200410/bergen’
Correct. And I see you can’t refute this.
‘4.Mr Welch claims the identities of the 19 hijackers has been irrefutably confirmed:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79402/Exclusive-Remains-of-9-11-killers-found
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724/output/print
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Ual93manifest.png
I claim the hijackers may have been using stolen identities and left a trail of false evidence to implicate these predetermined scapegoat identities:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10142
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101evidencetrail
http://911review.org/Wiki/HijackersAliveAndWell.shtml‘
Which doesn’t of course explain the DNA evidence noted above. But then why rely on fact when you can use fantasy?
‘5.Mr Welch claims the Saudis acceptance that 15 of their citizens were involved in 9/11 proves the identities were not faked:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-War-Inc-Inside-Secret/dp/0753816687/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215883120&sr=1-1?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Osama-Bin-Laden-Know-Al-Qaedas/dp/0743278917/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215883120&sr=1-2?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Al-Qaeda-True-Story-Radical-Islam/dp/0141031360/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215883353&sr=1-1?
I claim the Saudi 9/11 connection was downplayed at every opportunity by government officials and media considering the intimate connections between the Bush family and Saudi leadership:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/06/b99415.html
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=bushs_saudi_connections
http://www.wesjones.com/saudi1.htm‘
Which doesn’t answer my basic question? If you are going to set up 19 patsies, and if you (referring to the US government as a whole, and the Bush administration in particular) have a corrupt relationship with the Saudi royal regime, then why highlight this fact by making 15 out of your 19 hijackers Saudi citizens? Mr Bradley cannot explain that basic contradiction in his ‘theories’, so he waffles instead. Surprise surprise.
‘6.Mr Welch claims I disagreed that “al-Qaeda existed as a transnational terrorist group using its safe haven in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan to commit atrocities”:
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I claim I never argued against that point:
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/12/15-answers-open-response-to-joseph.html
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/beyond-15-questions-historical-context.html‘
Let it be noted that Mr Bradley falsely asserted that al-Qaeda was a CIA creation (using an ‘oil empire’ article as his ’source’). I then showed - with reference to the better researched end of the literature on this subject - that this was complete nonsense. Mr Bradley seems to be upset about being reminded of this. I make no apologies here.
‘7.Mr Welch claims “the CIA’s role in ‘creating’ al-Qaeda in the 1980s are a fabrication of the historical record”:
Peter Bergen (“The Osama bin Laden I knew”, pp.60-61).
Jason Burke - (p.59)
Steve Coll - (p.87).
Lawrence Wright - “The Looming Tower” (pp.100-108).
Milt Bearden “The Main Enemy”, (Random House 2003),p.243).
I claim the CIA was not only instrumental in the creation of al-Qaeda, but the relationship between the Bush Family and bin Laden family has continued to this day:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2001/465/25199
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ONE309A.html
http://www.oilempire.us/qaeda.html
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm‘
As noted above, Mr Bradley has simply seen fit to ignore - rather than engage with - the literature on al-Qaeda, including the conclusions drawn by those who were studying bin Laden and his organisation way before 9/11 (see Gunaratna, Bergen, Burke etc). This tells you a lot about his methodology.
As for the Bush-bin Laden families, Mr Bradley chooses to harp on this theme despite one blatantly obvious point. The bin Laden clan is a large extended family, only one of whom has become involved in terrorism. Osama was disowned by the rest of his family in 1994.
Bush Junior did form a working relationship with Salem bin Laden, Osama’s half-brother. Salem died in May 1988, so quite what his role in 9/11 is I simply cannot guess. Furthermore (as Lawrence Wright notes in ‘The Looming Tower’, p.91) Salem’s credentials as an Islamist are somewhat suspect. Wright notes that during the Mecca siege of November-December 1979 - when Sunni militants seized control of the Grand Mosque - a gun-toting Salem bin Laden turned up with the plans of the Mosque (which his father had helped renovate), which he passed on to the National Guard. Doesn’t sound like Osama’s type to me.
More on the bin Laden family myths here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_and_bush_senior.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/family_flights.html
‘8.Mr Welch claims the US government would not have planned the invasion of Afghanistan without support from it’s neighbors:
http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/more-on-15-questions-for-911-truthers-a-reply-to-stewart-bradley/
Part 7 -”Given the geo-political realities of Central Asia in mid-2001, there were no guarantees of any host nation support for any attack on Afghanistan.”
I claim US forces, via people like Cheney and Armitage, did have support from several Afghanistan neighbors to stage the invasion:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/preplanned.html?q=preplanned.html
http://www.thedubyareport.com/oilwar.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq2.html (Part VII)’
And such support was only forthcoming in the aftermath of 9/11, and could not have been assured beforehand. No one could have banked on Russian or Pakistani support prior to the attacks.
‘9.Mr Welch claims the “9/11 ‘truth movement’ is infested with anti-Semites and Holocaust Deniers”:
http://911myths.com/index.php/Foreknowledge
http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/11/british-fascists-and-911-untruths.html
I admit that while some 9/11 researchers question the involvement of Israel’s Mossad agents on 9/11, the claims of widespread anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are promoted by opponents of 9/11 research to try to destroy our credibility:
http://www.mujca.com/georgewashington.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/holocaust-denial.html
http://riseuprochester.org/2008/11/06/911-truthers-are-not-holocaust-deniers/‘
Mr Bradley doesn’t appear to want to see the elephant in the room. Aside from the sources cited above, I could point him in the general direction of hANOVER fIST, a real charmer with whom Mr Bradley has corresponded. Mr B - I suggest you click on the link to fIST’s website, have a good look at the contents and the links, and then tell me what you think. Your ‘movement’ has attracted a lot of people like this, and you’ve got to ask yourself why.
‘10. Mr Welch claims that because Naiz Naik is not a credible witness means that the pre 9/11meetings between Bush administration officials and Taliban did not include pipeline negotiations:
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/08/15/forbidden_truth/
I claim the Bush administration was attempting to negotiate a pipeline deal with the Taliban giving them a clear financial and geopolitical motive for the Afghan invasion:
http://www.jihadunspun.com/articles/04152002-Bush.Oil.Taliban/index.html
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a080201rocca
http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/03-10-02_Chin-Pt_2.pdf
http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/CK24Ag01.html‘
There is absoletly no evidence whatsoever to support this contention. As previously noted, the UNOCAL pipeline negotiations fell through in the aftermath of the August 1998 cruise missile strikes (Operation ‘Infinite Reach’). Mr Bradley has also wilfully misread my comments on Naik’s credibility, in particular the fact that his supposed American interlocutors (who were RETIRED diplomats) violently disagree with his statement, and that Naik did also misrepresent the outcome of earlier talks he had with an Indian contact over Kashmir. Again, Mr Bradley’s response to being caught out is to distort the original debate.
‘11. Mr Welch claims the Indian government’s report of a link between ISI Director, General Mahmoud Ahmed and Mohamed Atta “have to be treated with caution” :
http://www.911myths.com/html/isi_first_reports.html
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12818192
I claim that while the Bush administrations meetings with ISI General Ahmed doesn’t by itself imply guilt, the administrations attempt to cover up and distort this source of 9/11 funding is damning:
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/armitageISIatta.htm
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP209B.html
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/05/pakistani-smoking-gun-of-911.html‘
There has never been any ‘cover up’ of the fact that Lt Gen Ahmed was in Washington on the morning of 9/11. As for the reports of a link with Atta, the fact that these come from Indian government sources makes them suspect.
‘12. Mr Welch claims “there is no way that NORAD could have been ‘stood down’ without Canadian complicity.”:
http://www.norad.mil/leaders/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Bouchard
I claim that the secrecy about the war game exercises scheduled for 9/11, along with pre 9/11 changes in hijacking interception procedures, the absence of military chain of command, Norm Minnetta’s testimony, and contradicting stories from NORAD, NEADS, and the 9/11 Commission implies evidence of official foreknowledge, misconduct, and cover up:
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html#coincidence
http://www.911review.com/means/standdown.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20GR20051213&articleId=1478
http://standdown.net/‘
Mr Bradley has responded to my evidence on NORAD’s activities, and also the red herring that is Norman Mineta’s testimony, by simply pretending I haven’t offered it. And he gets upset about ‘dodge, distract, distort and deny’.
‘13. Mr Welch claims Ed Haas “distorted the content of an FBI press conference in order to claim that the Bureau had ‘no evidence’ linking bin Laden and al-Qaeda with 9/11″:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
I claim that if the FBI or Bush Justice Department did have hard evidence they would be able to get a Federal indictment holding bin Laden responsible for 9/11, which they have not:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3419.html‘
But this doesn’t clarify anything, Mr Bradley. You have simultaneously claimed that the FBI are both part of the cover-up and are being obstructed by the Bush administration (and it is worth noting that since Dubya left office in January the Feds haven’t suddenly changed their tune). You are also simultaneously claiming that 9/11 was a set-up, and that the hijackers identities were faked, and that the US authorities have no evidence linking al-Qaeda to the attacks. These are what we in the real world call ‘logical inconsistencies’. You cannot argue that both sets of propositions are true.
‘14. Mr Welch claims the video and audio tape 9/11 confessions of bin Laden and al-Qaeda leaders are genuine proof of guilt:
http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html
I claim that while the validity of bin Laden’s confession videos are disputed by reputable sources, the confessions of Al-qaeda leaders does not contradict the possibility of a covert CIA collaboration:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2526309.stm
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2210.shtml‘
Again this is sheer nonsense. Claims of a ‘covert CIA connection’ (such as the supposed Dubai meeting) have been proved to be false:
http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_met_the_cia.html
I should also add here - with my post on this matter (http://counterknowledge.com/2009/03/what-al-qaeda-says-about-911/) that al-Qaeda’s admission of responsibility extends to private communications between its members, not just to its public statements. A further question is why - if CIA or other US government sources were culpable, and LIHOP did occur - al-Qaeda haven’t chosen to publicise this assistance, with the appropriate evidence, in order to discredit the Bush administration and cause turmoil between the USA and its allies. Is he seriously expecting that if al-Qaeda have compromising information of LIHOP that it would keep it secret, rather than expose evidence which could destroy the USA’s alliances with NATO and other partners (notably Pakistan) and bring the ‘war on terror’ to a grinding halt?
It seems that Mr Bradley’s response to having his tall tales exposed is to invent new ones.
‘15. Mr Welch claims with certainty that “Flight UA93 was not shot down”:
http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html
?http://www.911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html
?http://www.911myths.com/html/plane_holed.html
I claim there are several anomalies about Flight 93 that need to be addressed before we can know for certain whether it was shot down or not:
http://www.flight93crash.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html
http://www.projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93_transcript.html‘
Again, Mr Bradley has chosen to pretend that the evidence I cite does not exist.
‘16. Mr Welch claims “bin Laden had declared his intention to destroy the WTC towers as ‘revenge’ for America’s policies towards the Middle East:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3966817.stm
I claim that in contrast to the numerous warnings before 9/11 attributed to bin Laden, that bin Laden initially denied his involvement in the attack:
http://www.americanhiroshima.com/911warnings.htm
http://www.aldeilis.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2521&Itemid=107
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091301talibandenies‘
As I noted above, there is one ‘denial’ attributed to bin Laden, which was a written response to a series of questions passed on via Taliban intermediaries. There is absolutely no evidence that OBL actually provided these answers. Mr Bradley tells us that a series of video and audio messages are unreliable, but that one scrap of paper is the gospel truth. Make of that what you will.
‘Section 2.
In the next section I was pointing out that the 9/11 controversy was the only political conspiracy that the Counterknowledge web site addressed and wondered what their stance would be on a few other disputed conspiracy subjects. The two refuted by Mr Welch:
1. Mr Welch states “no reputable scholar worth his or her salt treats claims of foreknowledge on FDR’s part of a Japanese attack on Hawaii as being in any way credible”:
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I claim that based on a document declassified in 1994 from Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence, that FDR provoked and allowed the Pearl Harbor attack:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html?q=McCollum/index.html
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/pearlharbor.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm‘
Rubbish. Complete claptrap. I prefer to take my history from more reputable sources (see, for example, Ian Kershaw and Roberta Wohlstetter):
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0804705984
http://www.amazon.com/Fateful-Choices-Decisions-Changed-1940-1941/dp/0143113720/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240239038&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.com/At-Dawn-We-Slept-Untold/dp/0140157344/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240239063&sr=1-1
‘2. Mr Welch claims the House Select Committee investigation on the assassination of JFK did not conclude that there were two gunmen involved:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7184933155238761777
http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/arrb98/part03.htm
I claim the HSCA investigation concluded a “high probability” of a second gunman and that the Warren Commission investigation of a conspiracy was “inadequate”:’
And again Mr Bradley comes up with selective quotations. Firstly, the report did not conclude that there was a cover-up by the US government:
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-1d.html
Mr Bradley also studiously ignored the 2005 BBC documentary (linked to by Google video), dealing with the acustic evidence which the HSCA mistakenly assumed indicated that a second gunman could be present.
‘Mr Welch … interpreted this section as an attempt to “Distract” by setting up a “straw man” argument over whether he, or any contributor to Counterknowledge said the US government has never been involved in “dirty tricks”. He then explains his belief “that any acts of malfeasance by a democratic government…usually become public knowledge shortly after they are committed, and that efforts at a cover-up… do not survive scrutiny by democratic legislatures and a free press.”
To Mr Welch’s credit he did say this was “usually” the case because if he is any kind of historian he knows that there are always exceptions to that rule. Examples include:
1. The CIA backed Operation Gladio waged a decades long campaign of terrorism and assassinations through Europe killing hundreds of innocent people, then blamed “leftist subversives” to demonize political opponents and frighten citizens into supporting government powers. Although first exposed in 1990 the existence of this program has been all but ignored by the American press.
http://911review.com/precedent/century/gladio.html‘
The substance of these claims comes from Daniele Ganser’s 2005 book ‘NATO’s Secret Armies’, for which the only primary piece of documentary evidence was a supposed US military manual, FM30-31B, which turned out to have been faked by the KGB in the 1970s:
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html on FM30-31B
The subject of ’stay-behind’ forces was dealt with by a recent edition of the ‘Journal of Strategic Studies’, a respected, academically peer-reviewed journal (it’s Issue 30/6, December 2007). Unfortunately the journal is accessible online by subscription-only, so I cannot link directly to discussions by the authors on Ganser’s work. However, I can add the following comment by Leopoldo Nuti and Olav Riste, two of the finest Cold War scholars in continental Europe, who state that:
‘[A] young Swiss researcher, Daniele Ganser, has published what purports to be the most comprehensive assessment so far of the whole stay-behind organization, in a book whose ambitious conclusions do not seem to be entirely corroborated by a sound examination of the sources available’.
(Nuti & Riste, ‘Introduction – Strategy of ‘Stay Behind’’, Journal of Strategic Studies, 30/6 (2007), p.930).
The main problem with ‘NATO’s Secret Armies’ is not its subject matter - e.g. ’stay-behind’ armies such as Gladio (established in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe in the 1940s), and their potential involvement in far-right terrorism in Italy, Greece, Belgium and Turkey. The real problem is that - on the basis of evidence that is flimsy at best - he concocts a pan-Western conspiracy to destroy European democracy.
In many cases, his sources are far-left journals such as the British magazine ‘Lobster’ (which has admitted that the product of much of its output has been disinformation) and the Danish Communist party paper ‘Land og Folk’ - I’d be very uneasy if I had to base any historical study of post-1945 European politics on sources like these. His only primary source evidence is the forged Field Manual (noted above) which was identified by the US Congress as a KGB fake during the late 1970s.
A flavour of the Ganser approach to evidence can be gained from two issues, one minor and one major. The minor one concerns the recycling of John Pilger’s story about the SAS training the Khmer Rouge - even though that claim got him a libel suit that had to be settled out of court. A good scholar might have followed that up and discounted the story. A bad one (i.e. one taken in by a 30 year old Soviet forgery) would not:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/oliver_kamm/2009/02/pilger-and-camb.html
The second concerns his chapter on France, in which he makes the claim that the CIA plotted with the OAS to overthrow de Gaulle. Ganser’s claim is unsupported by the evidence, and goes against practically every reputable account of US-French relations in the early 1960s. As much of a nuisance as Charles de Gaulle could be for the USA and NATO, the Kennedy administration rightly decided that it was a key US interest for the Fifth Republic, and French democracy, to survive, and actually backed de Gaulle during the military putsch of 1961 (going as far as to offer the French President military assistance if he needed it). De Gaulle, for his part, had no hesitation backing the USA during the Cuban missile crisis the following year. There is simply no way that the US government would have covertly ordered de Gaulle’s overthrow, or that the then DCI John McCone would have conducted such an action without a Presidential finding. Ganser would have known this if he had made himself familiary with the historical literature on this subject, and had he consulted the US and French archives. But he failed to do this.
Thirdly, Ganser’s claims about Italian ‘Red Brigade’ attacks being false flag operations (notably the kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro) have been discredited (see, for example, Richard Drake, ‘The Aldo Moro Murder Case in Retrospect’, in ‘Journal of Cold War Studies’, 8/2 (2006), pp.114-125). Ganser also claimed US complicity in the Colonel’s coup in Greece, also discredited (see Louis Klarevas, ‘The United States and the Greek coup of 1967′ in ‘Diplomatic History’, 30/3 (2006), pp.471-508). Ganser does have some grounds for suggesting foul play in Turkey, but the recent findings of the ‘Ergenekon’ scandal show that Turkish military activities were autonomous, and there is no evidence of any US involvement other than the establishment of the original ’stay-behind’ organisation - the OHD - during the 1950s.
‘2. The 1967 to 1972 CIA Operation Phoenix program of terrorism and assassination in Vietnam that murdered over 26, 000 people and instigated the Vietnam War. To this day most Americans have no idea this program existed either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program‘
Hang on Mr Bradley, let’s check our facts here. I’m pretty damn sure that the Tonkin Gulf incident happened in August 1964, and that Rolling Thunder and deployment of the first US ground troops to South Vietnam took place in March 1965. So how on earth did Phoenix ‘instigate’ the Vietnam war? Don’t you ‘investigative journalists’ do boring things such as check dates? What does this tell us about your intellectual capabilities if you can’t get basic facts right?
Incidentally, while I acknowledge the controversy surrounding Phoenix, the most up-to-date study on this episode of the Vietnam war stresses that the majority of casualties were Viet Cong guerrillas (namely armed insurgents). It also mentions the fact that Phoenix involved turning former VC and encouraging thousands to defect (notably after Tet 1968) with the Chieu Hoi programme:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Phoenix-Birds-Prey-Counterinsurgency-Counterterrorism/dp/0803216025/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240240358&sr=1-3
‘3. The CIA trained and supported death squads in El Salvador committing atrocities like the 1982 El Mazote massacre murdering over 700 men women and children. Again, most Americans were never informed about this.
http://www.votb.org/newsanalysis/behind_the_death_squads.html‘
As Daniel Byman notes in his study on this issue, US training for El Salvadorean military units does not necessarily involve complicity in their acts (see ‘With Friends Like These’ in ‘International Security’, 31/2 (2006), pp.79-115). And as for the supposed ignorance of the US public about El Salvador (and Central America in general), this ignores not only the widespread media coverage, but also the publicity gained from films like Oliver Stone’s ‘Salvador’:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091886/
But again, my basic point still stands, which is that any hint of US official wrong-doing quickly makes its way into the public domain - provided it can be substantiated. And this is the problem you ‘truthers’ have.
‘I’m sure Mr Welch will make a distinction over the US governments approval to murder foreign citizens but not our own citizens. I’m sure I don’t have to remind him of the 1962 Operation Northwoods plan drawn up by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to stage a terrorist attack on US citzens, including hijackings and bombings, then planting phony evidence to frame Fidel Castro in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. Yes, the plan was never used because it was rejected by President Kennedy, but what if there was a president who would accept such a plan? And nobody knew about this plan until it was declassified in 1997.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods‘
Let’s deal with this again. ‘Northwoods’ was declassified in April 2001. And if Mr Bradley is to be believed, then one of the first acts of the ‘real 9/11 plotters’ after taking a leaf out of Lemnitzer’s book is to release the original 1961 plans, so as to leave a paper trail to incriminate them. Yes, that makes a lot of sense on some planet:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
Mr Bradley also ignores a few minor facts about ‘Northwoods’ - such as the fact that the proposed ‘attacks’ were to be on a far smaller scale than the al-Qaeda atrocities of 9/11, and that actually these false flag ops were to be conducted so that there were no actual US casualties planned. But these are small matters. What is important is that ‘Northwoods’ was never implemented. And arguing that it has some connection with 9/11 is like saying that the Baader-Meinhoff was created by Willy Brandt, and that the Gleiwitz incident of 1939 is proof.
‘So to refute Mr Welch’s statement we see that acts of malfeasance by our democratic government are not always made public knowledge.’
On the contrary, see above.
As for the rest of your ‘post’, I will deal with the various distortions you offer in due course.
Turning now to the second part of Mr Bradley’s ‘rebuttal’.
‘1. Mr Welch claims Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta’s testimony was in reference to Flight 93. Relying on the word of an aide to Mineta, Admiral James Underwood, Mr Welch claims there is no way Mineta could have heard the supposed “stand down” confirmation:
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01089.pdf
I claim the 9/11 Commission admits the 9:37 entry time for Cheney was based on the Secret Service report alarm data and is undocumented, while Mineta’s early arrival testimony is consistent with reports from Richard Clark, Condi Rice, Karl Rove, White House photographer David Bohrer, and ABC, BBC, and WSJ. This is discussed in great detail in chapter 2 of David Ray Griffin’s book “9/11 Contradictions.”
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/22/02147.html
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2008050770616110
So let’s listen again to Mineta’s official testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Mineta still stands by his testimony that he was referring to Flight 77 nearing the Pentagon when Cheney issued his “of course the order still stands” quote. This was before the Pentagon was hit. He has clarified this many times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGI5BmNd7AE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-5PKQTUz5o
Yet the 9/11 commission and the media continue misquoting Mineta saying it was in reference to Flight 93.
We can logically assume one of two things considering this contradiction. First, that if Mineta was referring to Flight 93 then his story about the “order still stands” conversation was a complete fabrication because Flight 93 was not “ten miles out” from any Washington target. This would make Mineta guilty of perjury for which he has not been charged.
Or Mineta was telling the truth which contradicted the “official story” so his testimony was omitted form the 9/11 Report and distorted by the press. In this CNN clip Josh Bolten claims the aid was asking about shoot down confirmation of Flight 93 contradicting Mineta’s sworn testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7b_zofzXU’
Let’s deal with this step-by-step. Firstly, do Clark and Rice place Mineta and Cheney in the PEOC at the time AA77 crashed into the Pentagon? The answer is a most resounding ‘no’. I have already referred Mr Bradley to Clarke’s account in his memoirs. I should also add here that a read of both his and Dr Rice’s testimony to the 9/11 Commission makes no mention whatsoever of the timings in which either the Vice President or Secretary Mineta entered the PEOC bunker. So quite where Griffin got his evidence from, who knows?:
http://intelligence.senate.gov/clark.pdf
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/
Incidentally, Griffin twists the content of Clarke’s memoir with his claim that the Transport Secretary was in the PEOC by 09:15. Clarke says no such thing.
Quite what Karl Rove can say about what was going on in the White House is unclear, given that he was with Bush at Sarasota, Florida, at the time of the 9/11 attacks:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/abcnews091102.html
So to repeat my point, the evidence placing Mineta in the bunker after the Pentagon was hit is more extensive than that which places him there beforehand (for which we have to rely on Mineta’s possibly imperfect memory). If Mr Bradley were an honest man, he’d accept this and move on.
‘2. Mr Welch makes an obvious straw man when he claims, in reference to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A, that there is not a single reference to shooting down airliners:
1997 - http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf
2001 - http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
This was never what I disputed. I claim the subtle change in the directive is under 4. Policy, stating ” The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.” which was changed from “The NMCC will monitor the situation and forward all requests or proposals for DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking) to the Secretary of Defense for approval.”
What was added was the “exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d” which sites DOD Directive 3025.15, 18 February 1997, “Military Assistance to Civil Authorities”:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/302515p.pdf
This Directive allows commanders in the field to provide assistance in an emergency situation but requires approval from Secretary of Defense before responding with “potentially lethal support”, ( launching combat aircraft ). This change effectively moved the authorization to scramble military fighters from field commanders to the Secretary of Defense:
http://www.911review.com/means/standdown.html
http://www.911review.com/articles/russell/standdown.html’
Actually, it is Mr Bradley who is setting up the straw man here (worth bearing in mind with reference to his subsequent claims about NORAD exercises below). The fact is that there is no substantial change whatsoever in the two documents. All it does is clarify what was already established pre-9/11 policy, as per the Posse Comitatus Act, that the US armed forces required the approval of their civilian masters (post-1947, this being the Secretary of Defense) before they launch any military action on US soil. And – as noted below – if the NORAD air defence network has been cut to the bone during the 1990s, so that there are only 4 USAF ANG fighters on stand-by for the entire US East Coast on the morning of 11th September 2001, Mr Bradley’s act of textual perversion becomes even more meaningless.
One other thought has occurred to me here. Let us take Mr Bradley’s assumption – that the Secretary of Defense deliberately tampered with contingency plans for hijackings so as to ensure that the 9/11 attacks were carried out successfully – as read, and let us actually ignore the wording of the documents themselves. Where exactly was the Secretary of Defense the morning of the attacks? Why was he in one of the buildings that got struck by the planes? Why was he not in a place of safety? Mr Bradley’s claim will no doubt be that Rumsfeld had some jedi-like assurance that somehow AA77 would strike the ‘right’ part of the building and leave him unscathed. Only on Planet Truther would that kind of assumption be plausible.
‘3. Mr Welch claims there were no discrepancies in the 9/11 timelines offered by the FAA and NORAD:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/index.htm
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/index.htm
I claim they had changed their accounts and the 9/11 Commission had added their own to shift any responsibility of misconduct from the military to the FAA:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20GR20051213&articleId=1478’
Actually, this is what David Ray Griffin says, not Mr Bradley. But never mind. Let us firstly deal with the fact that Griffin’s claims that it only takes ‘minutes’ between FAA notification of NORAD and the scrambling of jets (all four of them), which is torn to shreds here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/intercept_time.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/intercepts__norad_and_the_faa.html
http://911myths.com/index.php/Losing_Flight_77
For example, we can see that when General Eberhart states that it takes ‘one minute’ for the FAA to get hold of NORAD, he is talking about improvements in the inter-agency process that took place after 9/11 – the testimony Griffin quotes was dated October 2001. That’s a rather sneaky little trick on his part. The protocols dealing with hijacking are dealt with here:
http://debunk911myths.org/topics/Federal_Aviation_Administration
http://debunk911myths.org/topics/NORAD
Notice the following:
• ‘The hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear;
• There would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command; and
• Hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
When NORAD fighter jets were “scrambled”, that meant that they were to “establish a presence in the air. The pilots are trained to trail the hijacked plane at a distance of about five miles, out of sight, following it until, presumably, it lands. If necessary, they can show themselves, flying up close to establish visual contact, and, if the situation demands, maneuver to force the plane to land.” [See ‘Vanity Fair’ link below]’.
Griffin’s statement (in the ‘Global Research’ article Mr Bradley links to) about Standard Operating Procedures for FAA to follow in hijackings (namely loss of radio contact with plain, transponder turned off, plane deviates from course) were implemented after 9/11.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2795968&postcount=396
There is obviously more on the NORAD tapes – including precise times – here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?printable=true¤tPage=all
If you also bear in mind that during the course of 11th September 2001 the FAA wrongly reported incorrect hijackings, then one understands the sheer confusion that both civilian air traffic control and the military were working under (see also here for the tapes – http://911myths.com/index.php/NORAD).
‘4. Mr Welch claims there were only 2 military training exercises on 9/11, Vigilante Resolve and Northern Vigilance, neither of which deal with a 9/11 related scenario:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/tu-95-pics.htm
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00778.pdf
I claim Mr Welch is intentionally ignoring the full list of drills that relate to 9/11 which include:
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html#coincidence
a) CIA / National Reconnaissance Office “plane into building” exercise:
http://www.oilempire.us/nro.html
b) Vigilant Guardian:
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/2006/11/wargame-one-vigilant-guardian.html
c) Vigilant Warrior:
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/2007/01/wargame-iv-vigilant-warrior.html
d) Northern Vigilance
http://they-let-it-happen.blogspot.com/2006/11/wargame-2-northern-vigilance.html
e) Northern Guardian
http://www.ringnebula.com/northern-vigilance.htm
f) Tripod II
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml’
In this response, Mr Bradley deliberately twists my post. I reported two exercises for NORAD (only one of which – VIGILANT GUARDIAN – covered the airspace of the North-Eastern United states). Both of these were CPEXs involving a computer simulated scenario, and no ‘real’ assets (namely planes in the air) and NEITHER INVOLVED HIJACKINGS. Mr Bradley has the evidence at hand which confirms what NORAD was actually up to – as opposed to what Michael Ruppert claims – but refuses to acknowledge it. Make of that what you will.
As far as the mythical ‘exercises’ are concerned, these are effectively debunked here (although I expect that Mr Bradley will ignore all this, just as he has ignored all the other evidence I have cited to support my case):
http://911myths.com/index.php/War_Games
http://911myths.com/index.php/Cheney_in_charge_of_NORAD
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76824&page=2#51
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70300
‘5. Mr Welch claims the pre 9/11 warnings lacked any specifics and the military had no training drills that would prepare for a 9/11 type scenario:
http://bl147w.blu147.mail.live.com/mail/InboxLight.aspx?FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&n=60689143
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01089.pdf
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00778.pdf
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00172.pdf
I claim there were over 50 reports between June and September 10, 2001 that, taken together, clearly warn of an al-Qaeda attack by suicide hijackers targeting the WTC:
http://www.americanhiroshima.com/911warnings.htm
http://tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_warnings.html’
Mr Bradley clearly does not bother the read the sources he cites. As I point out, the idea that these reports ‘clearly warn of an al-Qaeda attack by suicide hijackers targeting the WTC’ isn’t even confirmed by the sources he cites.
‘And the military did conduct drills to prepare for possible 9/11 type scenarios:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a99wtccrashsimulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6FTkj6OEWA
http://www.911truth.org/downloads/fact_sheets/NORAD.htm
http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonMascal.shtml’
And yet again Mr Bradley shows his inability to read beyond headlines. If he had actually bothered to read the testimonies of senior USAF officers I had cited, he would have noticed the emphasis on NORAD’s mission from the end of the Cold War to 9/11, which focussed on ‘air sovereignty’ (as opposed to air defence), ‘intended to maintain control and prevent illegal entries’ into US airspace (testimony of General Larry Arnold, USAF). NORAD did envisage the possibility of a mass casualty attack, but based its assessments on the assumption that such an attack would come from beyond the USA’s borders and air space. THEY DID NOT PREDICT THE HIJACKING OF INTERNAL FLIGHTS AND THEIR USE AS SUICIDE AIRCRAFT.
Let’s take a look at the CNN and ‘USA Today’ sources that the ‘History Commons’ article cites:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exercise/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm
From ‘USA Today’:
‘The exercises differed from the Sept. 11 attacks in one important respect: The planes in the simulation were coming from a foreign country.
Until Sept. 11, NORAD was expected to defend the United States and Canada from aircraft based elsewhere. After the attacks, that responsibility broadened to include flights that originated in the two countries.’
From CNN:
‘The exercise was solely to test procedures and was no indication that NORAD had any reason to believe the scenario would happen in the real world, according to a spokesman.
It is unclear whether the simulated scenario was that of a hijacked plane being “used as missile” — intentionally crashing into a building — or that of an out-of-control hijacked plane.
Military officials said the exercise involved simulating a crash into a building that would be recognizable if identified, but was not the World Trade Center or the Pentagon.
They emphasize it involved an airliner being hijacked as it flew into U.S. airspace from abroad, a slightly different scenario from what happened on September 11, 2001.
The identity of the building named in the exercise is classified.
The exercise was conducted at one regional sector, and was not conducted at the headquarters, as are major exercises. This sector exercise involved some flying of military aircraft as well as a command post exercise in which communications procedures were practiced in an office environment.
NORAD officials emphasized that if it had been a real event, NORAD would have instituted standard procedures to try to contact the aircraft and keep it from crashing.
“We have planned and executed numerous scenarios over the years to include aircraft originating from foreign airports penetrating our sovereign airspace. Regrettably the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised,” said Gen. Ralph Eberhart, commander of NORAD.
NORAD has the ongoing mission of defense of U.S. airspace.
According to a statement from NORAD, “Before September 11th, 01, NORAD regularly conducted a variety of exercises that included hijack scenarios. These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures.”
All of those tasks are the responsibility of NORAD.
The statement continues:
“NORAD did not plan and execute these types of exercises because we thought the scenarios were probable. These exercises were artificial simulations that provided us the opportunity to test and validate our processes and rules of engagement with the appropriate coordination between NORAD’s command headquarters, its subordinate regions and sectors and National Command authorities in Canada and the United States.’’
The CNN article also stresses that (to quote NORAD) ‘At the NORAD headquarters’ level we normally conducted four major exercises a year, most of which included a hijack scenario. Since 9/11 however we have conducted more than 100 exercises, all of which included at least one hijack scenario’. In other words, that neatly shoots down any claim that Mr Bradley makes about the US military gearing up for the type of emergency that happened on the 11th September 2001.
It is also worth emphasising the point that any hijack scenarios involved the traditional type of terrorist plane-take over – terrorists take over plane, plane is landed, terrorists issue demands etc (as per numerous examples since the PFLP hijackings in September 1970). To quote the ‘USA Today’ source again:
‘But there were exceptions in the early drills, including one operation, planned in July 2001 and conducted later, that involved planes from airports in Utah and Washington state that were “hijacked.” Those planes were escorted by U.S. and Canadian aircraft to airfields in British Columbia and Alaska.’
‘6.Mr Welch claims the combined testimonies of FBI counterterror chief John O’Neill, field officer Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit of the Minnesota FBI, translator Sibel Edmonds, and Anthony Shaffer of Able Danger all lack credibility and are “long on assertion and short on substance.”
http://www.dodig.osd.mil/fo/Foia/ERR/r_H05L97905217-PWH.pdf
http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-08-12_pr.pdf
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Able_Danger
http://www.911myths.com/html/coleen_rowley.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/robert_wright.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0DE0DD173FF93AA25755C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3&pagewanted=print
I claim that Mr Welch also forgot to offhandedly disregard the testimonies of FBI informant Randy Glass and prosecutor David Shippers as well as acknowledge the obstructions and subsequent promotions of David Frasca, Mike Maltbie, and Marion Bowman.
http://www.takeoverworld.info/fbi_hijacker.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27876
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17135’
Mr Bradley, you are an outrageous liar. In my original comments, I noted that ‘claims of a conspiracy of silence at the highest levels remain long on assertion and short on substance’. This was not a reference to the whistle-blowers themselves (with the exception of Shaffer and Edmonds), but to conspiracy theorists like Mr Bradley who have taken the recorded frustrations of individuals like O’Neill, Rowley and Samit with bureaucratic red-tape, and knitted them into a theory of government complicity which these individuals did not subscribe to. Mr Bradley gets upset when anyone accuses him of distortion – if he was to quote my arguments honestly and accurately, he’d spare himself censure.
‘Section 4.
1. And finally in the “Deny” section Mr Welch again asserts his belief that US plans for the Afghani pipeline were abandoned in 1998 and that there is no connection between American interests and the now proposed TAPI project:
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00728.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2608713.stm
As I have pointed out in Section 1-10 the Bush administration was actively trying to negotiate a new pipeline deal with the Taliban before 9/11, a goal that would serve US financial as well as geopolitical interests:
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/3103/energy_security.html
http://afghanistan-the-true-story.blogspot.com/2008/06/pipeline-opens-new-front-in-afghan-war.html
The 2 obvious US links to the TAPI pipeline would be Hamid Karzai, the CIA connected leader of Afghanistan installed by the Bush administration, and the influence of Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hamid_Karzai
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zalmay_Khalilzad’
Again, Mr Bradley has decided to ignore my sources on (1) the fate of the UNOCAL project, (2) the myth of Karzai being a consultant for UNOCAL, and (3) the fact that there is no evidence linking TAPI (Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India) with the Bush administration. The sources which he cites claiming that the Bush administration was trying to negotiate a pipe-line deal with the Taliban prior to 9/11 don’t even mention this mythical attempt at lobbying. Mr Bradley, maybe you should actually read your sources properly before you cite them.
‘2. While mocking my distrust of government sources Mr Welch falls into a paradox of his own by rejecting the White House’s description of the NSPD-9 as a plan for military options “against Taliban targets in Afghanistan”.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Terror-Daniel-Benjamin-Steven/dp/0375508597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236599407&sr=1-1
The paradox being that when the NSPD-9 plans for military action in Afghanistan were finalized on September 9, the Bush team still would have needed Congressional approval to implement them. So while the Bush administration planned to “use all elements of national power”to eliminate the al-Qaeda network, they simultaneously claim they never took seriously any warnings from multiple credible sources of an impending al-Qaeda attack. ( See Section 3-5)
I find it more likely that the Bush administration deliberately ignored these warnings to create a plausible deniability when the attack happen, giving them the very pretext they needed to use the waiting NSPD-9 plans:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/preplanned.html’
Mr Bradley again conveniently ignores the fact that there is only one source (namely Rumsfeld himself) claiming that NSPD-9 was a full-scale plan for war against the Taliban, while the sources I cite contradict this, and talk about a preliminary plan to fund the Northern Alliance, arm Predator etc. This is not a war plan, Mr Bradley, no matter how hard you try to insist. I should also point out here that Rumsfeld’s own claims are contradicted by the former National Security Advisor herself, as per the CNN transcript here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/
‘This new strategy was developed over the Spring and Summer of 2001, and was approved by the president’s senior national security officials on September 4. It was the very first major national security policy directive of the Bush administration — not Russia, not missile defense, not Iraq, but the elimination of al Qaeda.
Although this National Security Presidential Directive was originally a highly classified document, we arranged for portions to be declassified to help the Commission in its work, and I will describe some of those today. The strategy set as its goal the elimination of the al Qaeda network.
It ordered the leadership of relevant U.S. departments and agencies to make the elimination of al Qaeda a high priority and to use all aspects of our national power — intelligence, financial, diplomatic, and military — to meet this goal. And it gave Cabinet Secretaries and department heads specific responsibilities.
For instance: It directed the secretary of state to work with other countries to end all sanctuaries given to al Qaeda. It directed the secretaries of the treasury and state to work with foreign governments to seize or freeze assets and holdings of al Qaeda and its benefactors.
It directed the director of central intelligence to prepare an aggressive program of covert activities to disrupt al Qaeda and provide assistance to anti-Taliban groups operating against al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
It tasked the director of OMB with ensuring that sufficient funds were available in the budgets over the next five years to meet the goals laid out in the strategy.
And it directed the secretary of defense to — and I quote — “ensure that the contingency planning process include plans: against al Qaeda and associated terrorist facilities in Afghanistan, including leadership, command-control-communications, training, and logistics facilities; against Taliban targets in Afghanistan, including leadership, command-control, air and air defense, ground forces, and logistics; to eliminate weapons of mass destruction which al Qaeda and associated terrorist groups may acquire or manufacture, including those stored in underground bunkers.”
This was a change from the prior strategy — Presidential Decision Directive 62, signed in 1998 — which ordered the secretary of defense to provide transportation to bring individual terrorists to the U.S. for trial, to protect DOD forces overseas, and to be prepared to respond to terrorist and weapons of mass destruction incidents.’
Take a good look through this, Mr Bradley. Note in particular not only the guidance to the OMB to organise funding for the anti-AQ measures discussed, but also directed the Secretary of Defense to ‘ensure that contingency planning’ included preparations for more aggressive action against AQ and its Taliban sponsors. In other words, such planning had hitherto not been conducted by the NSC, the Pentagon and any other US government agency. This is the final nail in the coffin that is your claim about a pre-planned war.
‘3. Mr Welch then provides a further evidence that the Bush administration had no plan to invade Afghanistan being the ultimatum to Mullah Omar to hand over the al-Qaeda leaders or else be invaded. Mr Welch claims this offer was rejected by the Taliban “based on its own ideological bent and also its financial and military reliance on al-Qaeda”:
Frederick Kagan, Finding the Target. The Transformation of American Military Power (NY: Encounter Books 2006), chapter 8
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml
What Mr Welch doesn’t tell you is the Taliban did offer to hand over bin Laden on the condition that the US provide evidence that bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attack. It was Bush who rejected this offer saying,”There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty.” (See Section 1-13):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5’
Again, this statement shows Mr Bradley’s naiveté. If he had read his source properly (this seems to be a recurring problem here) he would have noticed firstly the point that the Taliban promised to put bin Laden on trial at an ‘Islamic Court’ in Afghanistan, and secondly that Mullah Omar subsequently ruled out any hand-over of bin Laden. It also misses out a key point about the Taliban response, in that it did not in any way, shape or form address one of the key demands from the US government, which was not just to hand over the AQ leadership, but also to shut down the network of training camps AQ and its affiliates had in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (and anyone who knows anything about the size of this effort pre-OEF would scoff at notions of ’19 Arabs in a cave’).
There’s also the question of whether the Taliban ‘offer’ on bin Laden was a genuine one:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/world/main310852.shtml
http://www.latimes.com/bal-te.taliban15sep15,0,2009431.story
Note the following:
‘The rejection came in a statement by Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan. Asked whether the Taliban would hand over bin Laden, Zaeef said, “No.” But his translator said, “No, not without evidence.”’
That sounds pretty unequivocal. And when you consider the relationship that Mullah Omar had built up with bin Laden – and the fact that many of the several thousand foreign volunteers who came to Afghanistan to train with AQ ended up as the Taliban’s shock troops – you can see that the prospects of Omar handing over his main benefactor and the mainstay of his war effort against the Northern Alliance are lower than nil (see Gunaratna, Rashid, Burke, Maley, Bergen et al on the military relationship between the Taliban and AQ. Accounts of the early phase of OEF also made it clear than the Taliban was dependent on AQ fighters – who tended to be more loyal and fanatical in their defence of Mullah Omar’s regime than native Afghan Taliban troops. See – for one of many sources – Anthony Davis, ‘How the Afghan War was Won’, ‘Jane’s Intelligence Review’, 14/2 February 2002).
At this point Mr Bradley then proceeds to make a series of claims related to the WTC towers which neatly contradict with the lines of his original argument – which were that AQ hijackers took over four flights and crashed 3 of them into the centre of Washington DC and New York, but did so with the connivance of the US government. Mr Bradley repeats claims of controlled demolition – including Steven Jones’ nonsense about nano-thermite – as if he understands them. Let’s be clear, Mr Bradley. I am no scientific expert, and you most certainly are not one yourself. However, it’s stretching the truth considerably to claim that Jones has made his case beyond reasonable doubt:
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/active-thermitic-material-claimed-in.html
Mr Bradley’s reference to Scott Forbes’ story as proof that the WTC buildings were being rigged by controlled demolition. The hard fact is that buildings which are demolished in such a manner are rigorously prepared through weeks – if not months – of effort which would be impossible to miss. Where were the teams of engineers knocking down walls to fit det cord and charges? And more’s to the point, which group of individuals would sign up to the controlled demolition of an occupied building? Mr Bradley cannot answer these questions – so he waffles instead.
What also escapes Mr Bradley’s attention is that his comments on controlled demolition imply MIHOP – not LIHOP – on the part of the US government. They also highlight both the baroque assumptions behind 9/11 conspiracy theories, and also their lack of coherence and clarity. Being a ‘truther’ means not having to come up with a theory that makes sense – all you have to do is pose behind the claim that you are ‘just asking questions’. Thank you, Mr Bradley, for proving my point (http://counterknowledge.com/2008/12/15-questions-911-truthers-now-need-to-answer/).
‘4. Mr Welch asks if it is credible that such an elaborate “false flag” attack could be arranged between Bush’s inauguration and September 11th.
I think the plan could have been in the works for several years but relied upon Bush’s election in 2000 to be carried out. Which is why I believe the theft of the 2000 election was so important to the Bush administration, but I assume the evidence of thousands of illegally blocked Florida voters and other election monkey business will also be dismissed as another “moonbat conspiracy theory” by Mr Welch:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010205/palast
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/unprecedented.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2’
Of course, all this planning to fix the 2000 election might have come a cropper through a variety of circumstances – not least Al Gore and the Democrats actually running an effective campaign – but we’ll leave that to one side.
Mr Bradley states here that ‘the plan could have been in the works for several years’ before Bush entered office in January 2001, without actually specifying who the conspirators were and how – if they didn’t have the machinery of the US government at their disposal – they were able to make the necessary preparations to co-ordinate an AQ multiple aircraft hijacking with the controlled destruction of the WTC towers. Like all other ‘truthers’, Mr Bradley feels free to offer assertion without evidence, and then gets upset when people like myself take issue with this act of fantasising. Such is life.
Mr Bradley expresses the hope that ‘Mr Welch and others of his mindset, as loyal as they are to the voice of authority [nice little dig there, Mr B – I’m a British citizen, by the way, and am not ‘loyal’ to any US administration, be it Clinton’s, Bush’s or Obama’s] eventually find that one piece of evidence that they cannot honestly explain away’. Mr Bradley, I’ll put this on the record – I (and I suspect other debunkers) are awaiting solid verifiable proof from you to call our assumptions into question. We are not going to be fooled by pseudo-scientific nonsense (as offered by Jones and Gage), distortions of the documented historical record (as provided by Griffin and Ruppert), quote-mining taken out of context from source materials, and other acts of con-artistry on your part. We are also a little tired of being presented with the same rehashed (and as noted above already discredited) ‘facts’ and ‘theories’ which you have offered us over the past 7 years or so. Maybe it is time for you to take a closer look at your sources – which as I’ve shown here, you’ve repeatedly failed to do – and ask them if they actually support in any way the claims you make. Maybe you might want to ask yourself if you can rely on other ‘truthers’ when they have been shown to be at best incompetent in how they collate and analyse evidence, or at worst openly lie about the record. If you are so upset about ‘unfair attacks upon my credibility and character’, may I suggest that such attacks on your compromised reputation might cease once you stop peddling the same old lies the ‘truth movement’ has spouted ad nauseam – and without even a hint of contrition once they have been corrected – and start looking at the facts and the evidence as they actually exist, not as you wish them to be?
Postscript:
I have just read an interesting article by a Peter Krause called ‘The Last Good Chance: A Reassessment of US Operations at Tora Bora’, in ‘Security Studies’, 17/4 (2008), pp.644-684. Mr Bradley might do well to read this article – which explains the planning and logistical complexities of conducting military operations on the hoof at high altitude in an Eastern Afghan winter – to correct his presumptions about the reasons why bin Laden was able to escape Afghanistan in December 2001. It is well researched and clearly written, and should be comprehensible even to dilettantes and lightweights like him.
Hello again Joseph,
I didn’t doubt for a moment that you would either ignore or misrepresent every single piece of information I presented with a smug presumption of superiority and infallibility. Cheers to your ability to contort reality to your liking and simultaneously vilify me, and all who question 9/11, as either con men or a fools.
I purposely set up my response so that readers could compare our sources and decide for themselves what to make of the evidence surrounding 9/11. It is the readers whom I wish to reach at this point because, as I have repeated, you have obviously long ago decided you knew all you wanted to know about 9/11 and simply reject any information that contradicts your opinion on the topic. You sir are a true debunker.
The best example of this is your total avoidance of the “molten metal” topic. Did you even read the WPI report on molten steel?
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
Or the new peer reviewed report discussing the active Thermitic chips found in the WTC dust?
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm (under 2009)
You apparently did not and your failure to do so speaks volumes about your willingness to harshly judge information which you have no knowledge of.
While I am tempted to write another long winded reply to clarify all of your “liberties with the truth” here, I frankly have better things to do than give you more information you will disregard completely anyway. If you want to chalk that up as a victory, fine, but it is a victory only of your stubborn inability to learn beyond what you think you already know about 9/11.
But I will do what you have demonstrated that you cannot, admit when I am wrong. You were correct in saying I initially wanted to base my case on a LIHOP scenario, although I did specify there were anomalies about the WTC collapses that was curious about.
But during the last months of our interaction I could no longer escape the conclusion that al-Qaeda could not have pulled off the attack without active support from within the US intelligence agencies.
Yes, I was wrong and you were right. I am a MIHOP. I again gladly cede to you that argument. But I must wonder if you even have the humility to honestly question whether you could possibly be wrong about 9/11, or if your reputation and pride prevents such reality checks.
Anyway, I’ve been as fair and polite as I could be. I still believe, however naively, that it’s possible to debate without hostility or attacking your opponents character. But this courtesy is wasted here. I can only again wish you, Joseph or whatever your real name is, the best of luck in finding what you search for and hope you aren’t a ridiculous asshole your entire life.
Farewell……. Stewart
‘I didn’t doubt for a moment that you would either ignore or misrepresent every single piece of information I presented with a smug presumption of superiority and infallibility. Cheers to your ability to contort reality to your liking and simultaneously vilify me, and all who question 9/11, as either con men or a fools.’
I’m sorry to see that you’re such a sensitive little flower, Mr Bradley, but has it occurred to you that it might not be so easy for me to portray you as a shyster or an idiot if (1) you represented your opponents’ arguments correctly, (2) you actually read the sources they cited in their defence, (3) you checked whether the sources you cite actually back up your claims and (4) you were man enough to admit when you were wrong or ill-informed?
I thought not.
‘I purposely set up my response so that readers could compare our sources and decide for themselves what to make of the evidence surrounding 9/11. It is the readers whom I wish to reach at this point because, as I have repeated, you have obviously long ago decided you knew all you wanted to know about 9/11 and simply reject any information that contradicts your opinion on the topic. You sir are a true debunker.’
Thank you. I accept the complement that is my due, and I posted here for the same reasons. It is pretty clear that unless readers already have their minds made up that 9/11 is an ‘inside job’, they’ll be able to see for themselves who has actually done the background reading on this cataclysmic event, and who is waffling. If you read the comments above on this thread, it’s pretty clear that it is you who are at a disadvantage.
‘Or [perhaps you could read] the new peer reviewed report discussing the active Thermitic chips found in the WTC dust?
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm (under 2009)
You apparently did not and your failure to do so speaks volumes about your willingness to harshly judge information which you have no knowledge of.’
This is somewhat hypocritical of you, Mr Bradley. My comments above were only cleared from moderation (and therefore visible to you) last night. Are you honestly telling me that you read all the information and evidence I cited in my defence? I find that hard to believe.
In any case, I already referred you to a rebuttal of the ‘Open Chemical Physics Journal’ article, and I should add here that the editor of this publication resigned, because she thought the article was crap:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141353
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/bentham-editor-resigns-over-steven.html
That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it?
‘While I am tempted to write another long winded reply to clarify all of your “liberties with the truth” here, I frankly have better things to do than give you more information you will disregard completely anyway. If you want to chalk that up as a victory, fine, but it is a victory only of your stubborn inability to learn beyond what you think you already know about 9/11.’
Mr Bradley, look at my comments. I ‘ignored’ none of your arguments and supporting ‘evidence’. I went through it all, and refuted it point by point, time and time again. If anyone is showing a ’stubborn inability to learn beyond what you think you already know about 9/11′, it is you.
In any case, I am most interested to see your transition from LIHOP to MIHOP. It has merely confirmed what I already suspected, which is that you are a man with a preconceived hypothesis searching desperately for the information to prove your point, and with a mind that filters out any of that annoying evidence - historical, practical, logical, scientific - which undermines your world view. You are a fanatic, Mr Bradley, and your penchant at self-delusion and self-deceit is evident.
‘But I must wonder if you even have the humility to honestly question whether you could possibly be wrong about 9/11, or if your reputation and pride prevents such reality checks.’
As I said, I am waiting for you - and all the other truthers - to give me something in the way of hard evidence that makes me think again, not to recycle the same tired and long-discredited myths that have been repeated ad nauseam since the dust settled in Washington DC and New York. In fact, I’d say the same is true of anyone outside your closed little ‘9/11 denier’ circle. Your failure to get anywhere with your claims in over 7 years of effort should tell you something. It is that the ‘9/11 truth movement’ is based on a fraud, and you are either too dishonest or too stupid to notice it.
The fact is that we are facing major issues in the post-9/11 world that require a proper debate. How do we deal with the global phenomenon that is radicalised Islamism? How do we deal with problems like Afghanistan and the North-West Frontier Provinces of Pakistan? Can we negotiate with al-Qaeda and its affiliates? Would a change in Western policy to the Middle East and the Moslem world make a difference, and make us less or more likely to encourage terrorism attacks? How do we combat domestic terrorism without alienating significant sections of the population in our countries? How do we strike a balance between protecting ourselves from more 9/11s, Balis, 7/7s, Madrids, Mumbais and Nairobis, and between ensuring the protection of our civil liberties?
These are all important debates for my country, yours and many others. There are sound and sensible arguments on both sides, and no easy issues. But you and your kind have nothing to bring to this debate except your ‘inside job’ mantra. It is the symptom of a narcissistic, blinkered, and ultimately inbred mentality. There is a globalised problem that brings death to city streets, hatred to thousands of minds, that has actually inflicted more misery and carnage on the Moslem world than on the West, and which threatens now to destabilise a nuclear state, and you’re only response is to say ‘It’s all an illusion. It’s MIHOP. There is no Al Qaeda. It’s all a creation of the real plotters’. This gets us nowhere, Mr Bradley, and it does nothing to solve the essential conceptual problem of managing the intellectual ferment and bloody violence inspired by Sayyid Qutb and his successors. If anyone is living in a fool’s paradise, it’s you and the rest of the ‘truthers’.
‘Anyway, I’ve been as fair and polite as I could be. I still believe, however naively, that it’s possible to debate without hostility or attacking your opponents character. But this courtesy is wasted here. I can only again wish you, Joseph or whatever your real name is, the best of luck in finding what you search for and hope you aren’t a ridiculous asshole your entire life.
Farewell……. Stewart’
Goodbye Mr Bradley. You will not be missed here.
Welchy…got one for you:
http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/2009/05/mark-adrian-humphrey-actor-is-harley.html
This puts the lie to “planes hit buildings, fuel and impact cause collapse” foolishness.
Oh, so just because a witness happens to bear a slight resemblance to an actor no one’s ever heard of, that means 9/11 was an inside job.
This is your proof. Well done. The NWO is completely destroyed, the Bush family have all committed harikiri, and the state of Israel has voluntarily disolved itself. I’m going to resign my job and join a commune, and tell everyone I meet that hANOVER fIST is the smartest guy on the planet, and deserves both the Nobel Peace and Science prize for his tiresome battles for ‘the troof’.
This is not a smoking gun, you walt.
In the meantime, perhaps you can tell me what you’re thinking (assuming you can think) when you see these photos:
http://layscience.net/node/124
I’ll check out your photos, Welchy…but while I do, why don’t you chew on this: http://www.gulli.com/news/world-trade-center-destruction-2009-05-24/
Oh, yes…and he mentions two words that should churn all of the choda in your gullet: PEER REVIEW.
Well…I just blew Stupid Reason #9 out of the water, eh?
Let’s repost the verbiage here:
“9. Workmen cutting beams in the wreckage. Conspiracy theorists are for some reason obsessed with the idea that thermite was used in 9/11, in spite of the fact that thermite is used for cutting and welding, and never in demolitions (indeed, it would be practically impossible to set it up). They cite neatly cut beams as evidence of thermite being used, but ignore the fact that beams were neatly cut up by workmen operating after the collapse.”
Wow…I guess if I got all my info from Mark L. from Controlled Demolition, I could rally around that thesis…but it has now proven to be demonstrably false.
I’ll let the boys handle the rest of this asshat’s assertions.
Oh…when did I state that I’m “the smartest guy on the planet?”
Never have, never will…but I do know what conforms to basic physics and basic chemistry, and what doesn’t.
When I see these pictures, I see a clod with ISLAMOFASCISM tattooed across his stupid, huge waterhead.
Ah yes, Dr Harrit’s unimpeachable research (which was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, as you claim). This bullshit was also disowned by the editor of said journal, and as ridiculed elsewhere (including by fellow ‘truthers’):
http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/2009/04/media-outlets-requesting-review_21.html
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141353
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139293
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4584589&postcount=74
The phrase ‘clutching at straws’ springs to mind.
More on the journal that Niels Harrit et al got published in:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17288-spoof-paper-accepted-by-peerreviewed-journal.html
Still, it fooled hANOVER fIST, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
Ah….Welchy.
You are a fucktard of immense proportions.
Let’s see…the document linked to is this: https://confluence.cornell.edu/download/attachments/2523490/Access+Points.pdf
Hmmm…doesn’t seem to have ANY RELATION WHATSOEVER to this: http://www.gulli.com/news/world-trade-center-destruction-2009-05-24/
Could this be more scumbaggery on your part, Welchy? Could it be that, like for the rest of May and up until June 12th, you had NO BLOODY ANSWER, and decided a bit of scumbaggery was in order; precisely, MAKE UP A COMPLETE BLOODY LIE?
You lose.
It needs to be spelled out in small words for Han. Let me take a crack at it.
That Journal? No good.
Is filled with junk science papers.
Your paper is bad.
That it was in there
Does not surprise us at all.
You call us dumb? Odd!
Fung…what took you so long, c0ck-smoker?
Where were you on the 26th of May? Eating a hot lunch from Welchy’s bung?
Show me a direct link, or shut your stupid mouth.
Show you a direct link to what?
Sanity?
I doubt you could follow it.
You’re funny…just about as funny with a load of Welchy’s but-nuggets in your mouth.
You mean, you can’t actually provide a link to the bogus peer-reviewed journal in question?
Put up or shut up.
I’m not sure what that’s going to prove to you, but since it’s an online journal you can find it here:
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/
The real question is if you can find that journal here:
http://www.csa.com/factsheets/supplements/pais.php
or here:
http://science.thomsonreuters.com/cgi-bin/jrnlst/jlsearch.cgi?PC=MASTER&Error=1
Or how about here:
http://www.oclc.org/firstsearch/periodicals/results_issn_search.asp?issn1=1874&issn2=4125&database=%25&fulltext=%22%22&results=paged&PageSize=25&B1=Search
That’ll be a bit more complicated. It seems its not in the international list of journals, it’s not in the Thompson Reuter’s master journal list, and not a single library has anything from it listed in their reference material. What good is a journal that no one reads? No good.
As to the actual science of the paper, that’s no good either. As long as we’re on the topic of “what took you so long” You never answered my questions on the topic of Nanothermites that I posed in the other thread back on April 9th.
I asked:
“If the temperatures within the collapse were such that they could sustain a thermite reaction then he should have found the products of such a reaction in his dust. Far more compelling to the argument would be the presence of Aluminum oxide, and iron, among the ambiguous “highly explosive nanothermite””
Let me say that again. If a thermite reaction took place, you would have found aluminum oxide.
Aluminum is a funny element. It rusts (oxidizes) almost instantaneously when it exposed to the atmosphere. Fortunately, aluminum oxide is very hard. In fact, it’s a 9 on the hardness scale, with 10 being a diamond, and iron being about 5.5.
Since it’s so hard it the oxide forms a very thin passivation layer which protects the easily oxidized metal beneath. Without this property aluminum would pretty much immediately change to aluminum oxide in open air.
So let’s go back to your article. Was there any aluminum oxide in statically significant amounts mixed in with your mysterious red chips that were found in samples that were collected by scraping up random bits of dust from around New York?
I have tried reading the SANtomauro thread on four different laptops, I always get “allowed memory exhausted” message.
I’ll explain this in simple terms, so even hANOVER fIST can understand it without raising his knuckle-dragging hands from the floor to scratch his peanut-sized head.
Harrit’s ‘paper’ was not published in an academically peer-reviewed journal. It was published in a vanity publication (not affiliated with a university) whose editorial board doesn’t even bother to check the findings of any submission and analyse the author’s methodology before putting any article into print. The ‘New Scientist’ link I provided attests to that.
Harrit’s paper was so unconvincing that the Benthan journal’s editor resigned when she realised it had been put into print. It’s conclusions are so ludicrous that even fellow truther’s like Michael Ruppert (who - as I’ve shown - was taken in by the Vreeland scam) think that the whole thing is a put-up job.
I still have a comment awaiting moderation, but it provides more links around this farce.
Obviously, hANOVER fIST - someone who’s grasp of physics is as limited as his reading comprehension - will think that Harrit’s bullshit is the gospel truth. But then that just goes to show what an inbred cretin he is. The ‘truth’ movement limps on because of morons like him, which explain why we are coming up to the 8th anniversary of 9/11 - and the conspiracy-lunatics are becoming more progressively marginalised.
‘I have tried reading the SANtomauro thread on four different laptops, I always get “allowed memory exhausted” message.’
Which is just about the only impact that that sicko John Thames will ever have in his miserable excuse for a life. That thread is nearly four months old, and every day there are a score of comments from that scumbag. Still, as the example of James von Brunn shows, neo-Nazis tend to be rather lonely people.
Welchy…don’t speak on things you’ve no knowledge of.
I see that there still hasn’t been a link proferred. What’s the delay about…like your delay in responding to the initial posting?
I won’t take your word for anything, so let’s see it.
“I see that there still hasn’t been a link proferred.”
My “serious” comment on the matter is currently in moderation.
As a side note, it literally took me a third of a second to find that link. Are you seriously unable to find the online journal that hosts the report that you yourself touted?
Fung…are you hard of reading, stupid-ass?
I’m done with you.
Please…I could care less, asshats. You idiots were SPEECHLESS for over three weeks, while you were spinning your wheels trying to take this apart. You are all intellectual dullards.
What if the “peer review” process is indunated with 9/11 doops, like yourselves? How would anyone get this peer reviewed? I’ll bet even Stephen Hawking couldn’t get this peer reviewed, with you c0ck-smokers as the gatekeepers.
You idiots still can’t refute the facts in the document, “peer review” or not.
“I’m done with you.”
Not so done that you didn’t have more to say.
“You idiots were SPEECHLESS for over three weeks”
It’s funny to me how people project their own personality on to others. How much time do you spend trying to support this tripe, Han? I hate to break it to you, but it only takes a few minutes to “take it apart”.
Not weeks.
Clearly there’s another explanation for our silence on the matter.
“You idiots still can’t refute the facts in the document,”
I directly refuted the “facts” presented in this document back in April 9th. I also asked you questions about the “facts’ in this document back on April 9th in one of the other threads. You did not answer them. Once my post comes out of moderation you will see them posted here for a second time. Am I to assume that you were SPEECHLESS because you were spinning your wheels trying to take it apart?
What kind of moron are you?
April 9th?
Oh…YOU posted this info, and then debunked it months ago?!?
“What kind of moron are you?”
The kind that can both remember a conversation that took place 2 months ago, and browse to that conversation on counterknowledge, apparently.
While we are on the subject of classification, apparently you are the kind of moron that doesn’t even read the content you spam to other people’s web pages.
You posted here:
http://counterknowledge.com/2009/01/more-on-15-questions-for-911-truthers-a-reply-to-stewart-bradley/#comments
On April 8th.
With an article that you obviously didn’t write about the paper submitted to Open Chemical Physics Journal.
I responded on April 9th.
I asked you why the “highly explosive nanothermite” did not explode in the conditions present within the towers, and I asked you why the products of such an explosion were not present in the dust.
I still await your answer.
Fung.
You dumbass.
The document submitted at the other link was a paper by Dr. Steven Jones, not Dr. Harritt. Here’s the news, asshat - two different papers, outlining the same culprit - NANO-THERMITE.
That’s right - I didn’t write the articles in question, stupid-ass…it’s amazing to me that Welchy thinks your reading comprehension beats mine.
Write to the two authors and pose your question…I await their answer to you.
“The document submitted at the other link was a paper by Dr. Steven Jones, not Dr. Harritt.”
You pay close attention now, because I spent the last 7 weeks spinning my wheels trying to take your comment from a couple of hours ago apart.
They both had their names on the paper submitted to the Journal. The title of the paper is:
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
What was that about superior reading comprehension? Clearly you didn’t even get past the title.
“Write to the two authors and pose your question”
I already know the answer. Steven Jones admits to the answer, and has done so in writing. The point is that YOU don’t know the answer.
Oooh…you can cut and paste…but YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND .
Are you trying now to say that Jones goes against his own paper?
Just as you always do…pretend that I’m possessed of your stupid brain cells, and tell me what your answer is…I can’t wait to start tearing you a new one.
I’m sure though, that you’ll attempt some way of not stating your opinion.
“Are you trying now to say that Jones goes against his own paper?”
I stated very clearly what I wanted to say.
1. Jones et al did not find the products of a thermite reaction in their dust samples. If such a reaction took place, they would necessarily find them.
2. Jones states that point 1 would be a key factor in establishing the use of thermite in the buildings, and laments his inability to find them.
The theory that thermite was used to demolish the buildings is not established by detecting the elements present in the reagents for a thermite reaction. These elements Fe, Al, and O are common to every building. When Jones shows you a chart that detects these elements, he’s not showing you evidence that thermite was used to demolish a building. He’s showing you that dust near the building had iron, aluminum and oxygen in it. This is no great surprise.
Testing for the presence of these elements is just one step along a path of procedure that Jones et al did not follow.
First of all, and most importantly, Jones does not do anything to exclude any of the abundant sources of these elements. The iron in the samples he received could have come from the beams themselves, from office equipment inside the towers, from ball point pens and paper clips for all Jones knows. The entire building was clad in aluminum, the airframe was aluminum, there was aluminum in office equipment, and all manner of other items present within the buildings. All of the elements Jones detects have myriad sources in the buildings he was studying. His assumption that they came from an engineered form of thermite that was either applied to the building, or carried into the building for the specific purpose of demolishing the building is quite a leap that he does nothing to establish.
Next, Jones et al do not establish the structure and stoichiometry of those elements. In simple terms, he does not establish thermite. He only establishes the chemical building blocks of thermite. These building blocks, as I have shown above, are abundant. Those elements could be combined in a host of different fashions. We could have Fe0 or Fe2, or Fe2O3 or Al2 or Al2O3 or O2 or any other combination.
For the simple minded like Han, think of a big bucket of legos. Jones detected three different types of legos, but he didn’t prove that those three types were pieced together to make a model of the death star. They could have been a model of a robot, or a model of a race car, or maybe it was just a big bucket of legos.
In order to establish the presence of a thermite reaction we need to know the ratios of Fe2O3 to Al in unreacted samples. We need to detect Al2O3 or an Al203+Fe2 slag to show that the reaction indeed took place. Jones’ paper does not do this.
Furthermore, he does not explain why an active Fe2O3+Al2–>Al2O3 +Fe2 reaction did not consume his samples of “nano thermites” and covert them to Al2O3 +Fe2.
He does not explain how such a reaction could have been engineered to demolish a building.
He does not explain why such a reaction would have been engineered to demolish a building.
That’s a lot of holes.
Oh, and it looks like a previous comment of mine about the journal is now out of moderation. You can look at, and fail to understand that post too, if you like, Han.
Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11
by Morgan Reynolds, professor emeritus of economics, Texas A&M
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911
While more Americans doubt the 9/11 story every week, evidence abounds that many have a mental block against rational examination of the evidence about 9/11. The possibility that it was an inside job is a non-starter for them. Programmed “cut outs” insure that 9/11 doubts are consigned to the “conspiracy” closet.
Last June I was explaining the fuss over my 9/11 article to a family member who shall remain anonymous and he interrupted and said, “I don’t want to talk about it.” Millions join him in that sentiment. By implication they might as well say: “I’d rather cling to the official 9/11 myth” = “If mass murderers run free,
I’m fine with that” = “If 9/11 was an inside job, then I’m ruled by monsters and I might have to do something about it, I’d rather watch Paris Hilton.”
Where does this passive attitude come from? Causes are many but American indoctrination has two sides that figure prominently in the explanation:
• Belief in “American Exceptionalism”
• Disbelief in conspiracy
This describes you doops to a T.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qih8K6psmM0
Tuesday June 16, 2009
Dr. Yuan T. Lee, Chemistry Nobel Laureate, 1986.
After his public lecture, we briefly explained the findings of the “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the World Trade Center Catastrophe” peer-reviewed paper and politely asked him to review it.
University of Waterloo 9/11 Research Group
http://www.Waterloo911.ca
“we briefly explained the findings of the “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the World Trade Center Catastrophe” peer-reviewed paper and politely asked him to review it.”
Yes. It’s been peer reviewed, and found to be crap. So what does handing a paper to a scientist prove in your mind exactly?
Someone handed a piece of paper to a scientist so therefor the government used thermite to murder more than 3000 U.S. citizens?
‘Welchy…don’t speak on things you’ve no knowledge of’.
Coming from a mong like hANOVER fIST that’s rich, but there you go.
‘I see that there still hasn’t been a link proferred. What’s the delay about…like your delay in responding to the initial posting?’
Now cleared - comments are dated 26th May. Again, hANOVER should know something about the delay in clearing moderated comments, because he threw a collosal temper tantrum about it on another thread, and launched his toys out of the pram:
http://counterknowledge.com/2008/12/15-questions-911-truthers-now-need-to-answer/#comments
Now back to the substance. Dr Harrit’s ‘paper’ was published in a journal - ‘The Open Chemical Physics Journal’ - which is not (contrary to truther claims) peer-reviewed, at least as far as real academics understand this term. The editor in chief actually resigned her post after it was put into print, which doesn’t suggest a lot of confidence in its content.
The standards of editing for these Bentham journals (which publish ‘OCPJ’) were shown with the ‘New Scientist’ hoax I linked to. What that shows is that to get published by Bentham Science Publishers, you don’t have to actually write an article that makes any sense whatsoever. You’ve just got to submit your work, and stump up $800. Money - rather than academic credibility - is the key to getting into print.
So if hANOVER was able to save some of the money which - judging by his comments - he clearly spends on crack cocaine, concentrates long enough to knit together his collective rantings into a 5,000 word piece, submits it to one of Bentham’s journals, and then pays $800 dollars (US, rather than Zimbabwean), I’m sure he’d be able to preen himself about the fact that he has just produced ‘peer-reviewed’ work.
Welchy…screw you and the nag you rode in on.
Once again…maybe I have to spell it out for the mentally challenged…if all “peer-reviewed” journals are beset by scumbags such as yourselves, there’s no way any REAL INFORMATION can pass peer-review.
Wasn’t ASPARTAME peer-reviewed”? It is a known carcinogen and neurotoxin. Peer-review has less to do with TRUTH than it does with PROFITS.
‘Welchy…screw you and the nag you rode in on’.
I’ll pass your complements on to your mother, hANOVER.
‘Once again…maybe I have to spell it out for the mentally challenged…if all “peer-reviewed” journals are beset by scumbags such as yourselves, there’s no way any REAL INFORMATION can pass peer-review’.
hANOVER, perhaps you should find out for yourself what ‘peer reviewed’ really means. For your information, it doesn’t mean ‘Write a pile of scientificually illiterate shit and then bung the editors some money to print it’.
‘Peer-review has less to do with TRUTH than it does with PROFITS’.
Newsflash, numbnuts. Academics do not get paid for their articles. I should know. I have had nine printed in my field (modern and contemporary history) since 2003, and never got a penny for them. Never asked either. Maybe I should follow the fine example set by David Ray Griffin, and make a fortune out of gullible pricks like you by publishing complete lies.
That will work.
http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf
So…just like John Thames, I’ll keep posting information, and you nitwits will pick apart a couple of terms.
The tide is turning. Do you plan to keep your heads thrusted in the sand until after the lawnmower comes by?
Welchy…where did I state that “academics get paid for articles”?
Stupid ass…straw-man arguments are not your strong suit…stick to swallowing choda.
I am referring to articles having no basis in truth; yet, they are vetted and presented to the world as the honest truth.
For example, NIST’s report and the dreckfest called the 9/11 Commission Report.
Here’s a great frickin’ article: http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/06/destruction-of-american-education-and.html - I’d copy and post the whole thing here, but this posting would crap out much like the Michael Santomauro thread.
Which, by the way, you tools lost. John Thames OWNED you.
No he didn’t. In my subsequent post, I demonstrated that directly due to Nazi policy, around 2.5 million Jews (including those sent to Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec and Majdanek) ceased to be part of the population of European Jewry - completely separate from another 2.5 million Jews that ceased to be a part of European Jewry via migration.
You and John have (unsurprisingly) left that elephant in the room well alone, instead preferring to copy and paste bilge from your favourite pseudodemographer, who - just like you, ignores the aforementioned material.
“…all we have is a deportation policy…”
John Thames, Keyboard Warrior, 19 April 2009.
“perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we’re doing it”
Heinrich Himmler, SS-Reichsführer, 4 October 1943
“I’ll keep posting information, and you nitwits will pick apart a couple of terms.”
History has shown that you’ll post articles that you haven’t read, don’t understand, and that often contradict the very point you think you’re trying to prove. When these evident facts are pointed out to you by others, you’ll fling invective, and then change the subject with a different article that you haven’t read, don’t understand, and that contradicts the point you are trying to make.
Your posts are disjointed, and often incomprehensible. Your writing style is barely intelligible. Most of all, they are completely illogical. You posted a video of someone handing a paper to a scientist as evidence of what exactly? Your complaint regarding junk science papers passing peer review reinforces which of your points? And finally, what in the world do you think writing words in all caps does to enhance your argument?
Regardless, you sure do like to crow about how smart you are. Is that how you rationalize being so alone in your views? Your smart and the majority of everyone else in the world is dumb? I have some news for you, Mr. 91 on a test once. So far the only things you have succeeding in proving are:
1. You don’t know a lick about physics and chemistry.
2. You have an irrational prejudice against Jews.
3. You have a third grader’s capacity to construct a rational argument.
4. You are fixated on homosexual acts.
If that was your intent, congratulations. You completely owned those 4 points.
To pull you back to the thermite discussion, you have yet to address the glaring problems with Jones’ report. I didn’t just “pick apart a couple of terms.” I pointed out fundamental problems in Jones’ hypothesis. Jones did not prove the existence of thermite. Jones did not find evidence of a thermite reaction. Beyond that you did not successfully address the other points raised in the original 911 thread.
Thermite is not used to implode buildings. There has been no credible procedure described that could have been employed to cut WTC columns using thermite. The only theories offered are completely infeasible when the scale of the building is considered.
Thermite is difficult to ignite, and would have required a complex control system for ignition. No evidence of such a control system exists. No one has found specialized detonators, no one witnessed the placement of such devices prior to the attacks.
So in conclusion I fully expect you to ignore the glaring problems in your “evidence”, change the subject, and then fantasize about the places my genitalia has been.
‘So…just like John Thames, I’ll keep posting information, and you nitwits will pick apart a couple of terms.’
Actually, all I see you two losers doing is posting obsessively on this site (judging by the counter on this page, Thames has posted at least 10 a day on the Santomauro thread) since it opened in mid-March), because no one reads your crappy little blogs.
‘The tide is turning. Do you plan to keep your heads thrusted in the sand until after the lawnmower comes by?’
Eight years of effort = no success in convincing the world that 9/11 was an inside job.
Thirty years of effort = no success in convincing anyone beyond the Middle East that the Holocaust never happened.
If you want to live with your delusions, that’s fine by me.
‘Welchy…where did I state that “academics get paid for articles”?’
hANOVER’s comment here, implying that academic research involves personal corruption on the part of those involved:
‘Peer-review has less to do with TRUTH than it does with PROFITS.’
Our man is so stupid that he doesn’t even read what he types. This is the kind of O2 thief that the ‘truth’ movement and the Holocaust Deniers rely on. Nothing more need be said - except for the obvious point that he has been unable to make any more convincing a case for his ‘theories’ than the original subject of this thread, Mr Bradley.
History.
It’s funny that you mention HISTORY. It has been proven that history is written by both the victors and massive scumbags.
Elie Wiesel was rescued from two “death camps”?
Here’s the thing - none of the supposed Holocau$t “survivors” could come to a consensus about the existence of the so-called “gas chambers”. There is NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE whatsoever to prove their existence…even worse is the rate of cremation given by “luminaries” such as Raul Hilberg…and for the rate of cremations given to have occurred, the ovens would have had to be running 24 hours, which is untenable and improbable.
In contrast, I have read independent confirmation on the scumbaggery involved in the Balfour Declaration, and the betrayal of the Arabic population in Palestine.
You posited, Welchy, your “15 questions” that purport to prove that the events of September 11th could not have been performed with any collusion from our government; I submit that all of the proposed events simply happened alongside the events leading up to and during the attack.
Your take is that these 15 “things” obviate any collusion. But, you’re ignoring that fact that there were NO 19 ARAB HIJACKERS.
None.
There’s no video footage; the “passport” was a complete plant; the whole thing was a psy-op, planned to derail the world’s condemnation of Israel for their evil actions against others. There was a conference scheduled to take place on September 22, 2001, which was scrapped after the attack on the 11th.
I don’t believe that you have the credentials to establish my education. You also seem to place entirely too much on credentials. So, for example, you would trust some idiot who passed a braindump and obtained some certificate that says that they could perform some function, rather than trust a guy who could actually perform the job.
This is the downfall of our educational system - placing the ends over the means.
As for not “reading what I type”…if I copy and paste a document, it’s there to bolster an argument. I prefer to leave the whole thing intact, rather than pruning it. I’m not afraid to show things that contradict my statements.
The problem with your “ragheads/Islamofascists did 9/11″ scenario is this:
No indication of actual devout Arabs involved (for example, Atta was drinking and carousing at a strip club, on his way to martyrdom?)
Complete failure of airport security
Rules of physics and chemistry absolutely violated if you accept the story promulgated by the government, NIST and FEMA
Secret Service did not perform their duties with pResident Bush (scaring the kids is actually preferable to putting them in harm’s way)
So…I could go on and on, but I’ll presume that you’ve read my latest postings…if not, here it is again: http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf - I am still waiting for you all to impugn their motives.
“Your take is that these 15 “things” obviate any collusion.”
How am I not surprised that you missed the point, and cede the point at the same time. You don’t ask a question to obviate anything. You ask a question to get an answer. Joseph was tired of the CT folks asking all the questions. It was time that they answered some questions about their own theories.
You seem to be confirming that there are no good answers to his questions. How is that Joseph’s fault? They are all valid questions. Did he somehow trick you because he knew how to ask a question that you couldn’t possibly answer if your version were true?
You hold fast to the conclusion, but you don’t have the answers. That’s not objectivity. That’s not thinking on your own. That’s not a display of that superior intelligence you keep praising yourself for.
That’s mindlessly holding to a foregone conclusion.
“As for not “reading what I type”…if I copy and paste a document, it’s there to bolster an argument. I prefer to leave the whole thing intact, rather than pruning it. I’m not afraid to show things that contradict my statements”
No, that’s not how I know that you haven’t read what you’ve pasted. It’s because you seem to have no working knowledge or memory of its contents. You didn’t know that both Jones and Harrit had collaborated on the same paper. You thought your posting from April 9th was completely different from the more recent posting here. You didn’t know that it was posted to an open online journal, and was not subject to peer review prior to publishing.
I have had countless dialogs with you where it is completely apparent that you’ve read the first couple of lines, and drawn your conclusions from that. I asked you to read a NIST report, and you didn’t get past the abstract. Remember that?
“Rules of physics and chemistry absolutely violated”
Answer my questions then. If you know what you’re talking about, explain how Jones knows he’s found thermite through xray spectrography on a sample of dust of questionable origin. Explain how he wouldn’t find any Al2O3 in the dust. Explain how the charges were prepared, installed, and detonated without leaving any evidence of their existence other than some red chips that bear a strong similarity to the type of primer that was used to coat the beams prior to fireproofing.
You didn’t disprove anything on April 9th, and you haven’t proven anything else but that you’re a BS artist of the highest order.
Your lies equal the load of bull offered by the NTSB in regards to the residue left on the seats from Flight 800. Jones and Harritt stand by their nano-thermite theory.
I don’t really care that you employ ad hominem fallacy. It’s telling that you must resort to it rather than make an honest attempt to answer the questions I have asked. It’s just another piece of evidence to show that you have no idea what you’re talking about, and have not examined the claims critically.
You accuse us of being dupes, but why is it that you believe that Jones’ paper is correct? You cannot say. You do not know. The only reason you’re defending it is because he agrees with you.
It shines a light on your understanding of the peer review process as well. Peer review is not simply other like minded individuals agreeing with each other. Peer review is not handing a scientist a piece of paper after he’s completed a lecture on a completely different subject. Peer review is not just getting your paper past the editor of a journal.
Peer review takes the whole community. It takes people interested in the subject who are able to repeat the results when the experiment is repeated. It takes them refining the model or improving the process. It takes them proposing alternative hypothesis, and then proving or disproving those hypothesis.
People have reviewed Jones’ paper. They’ve found problems. That in itself does not disprove that thermite was in the rubble, but it’s quite clear that Jones did not prove that it was. People have offered alternative hypothesis for the existence of those “red chips” and those hypothesis have yet to be disproved. That in itself does not prove that the hypothesis are correct. It means that people on your side of the argument need to respond.
Instead you shut down and call us all liars in order to cling to the unestablished, and completely illogical conclusion that the government demolished the WTC with thermite.
And here is where you fail.
You think that you have me on the ropes here; that I committed a faux pas. What you’ve done is that you’ve overreached yourself, once again.
When I stated that you couldn’t have debunked the claim two months earlier to the link in question, I was referring to the INTERVIEW with Dr. Harritt, not the paper in question. That was, after all, the purpose of the link at the time. It actually works to explain the situation better than the paper to someone not wishing to mire themselves in details. Of course, one could further research the paper and read everything they wished.
So…just for the slow ones in the room…In April, on an adjacent thread, I post a paper. Later, on this thread, I post a link to an interview that refers to said paper, but the purpose of the link is to show the interview, with the paper working as background data. I wondered why you felt so smug about this, and just to be clear - you didn’t debunk ANYTHING earlier. What was this amazing info that made Jones, Harritt et al tuck their balls in and run for cover?
And please…enlighten me…who are these “people” who offer alternative HYPOTHESES?
Red chips? Are we talking terra chips?
No one is responding to you besides myself, because you haven’t offered any dissenting evidence besides “people” disagreeing with their data. These people could be your fellow mental patients…and I don’t think they qualify.
“People”, indeed.
Your superior reading comprehension failed to notice that I did not claim to have debunked anything.
I asked you question
They are questions that you have not answered.
At this point you have avoided the questions a sufficient amount of times as to assume that you do not know the answers.
Just to be clear - what are the “questions” you’ve posed to me?
I expect to see them in the next posting bearing your monicker, Fungbooze; otherwise, I’ll assume you’re talking out of you ass again.
And I see that your “people” are staying anonymous, as in you made them up.
“Just to be clear - what are the “questions” you’ve posed to me?”
Use your superior reading comprehension skills.
The problem here is not that I didn’t ask the question enough times.
You are a fucking loser.
Like I guessed…NO QUESTIONS, and NO “PEOPLE”.
You’ve nothing to offer here but sophistry.
Let’s see if I can churn the crap in your colon once again: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
This should be simple enough even for a tool such as yourself.
“Like I guessed…”
You don’t have to guess.
You just have to read.
Can you read, Han? <— Look, another question.
Ooh…another question…don’t you think that others are tiring of your constant avoidance of the issue?
Just cut-and-paste your queries here, and I’ll answer as best as I can.
http://robertscourt.blogspot.com/2009/06/29-engineers-only-explosives-can.html
While I anxiously await your next scintillating post.
“Ooh…another question…don’t you think that others are tiring of your constant avoidance of the issue?”
My constant avoidance? My cut and paste posts? That’s rich. I really have no interest to continue in a discussion that has descended to such intellectual depths as the “I know you are but what am I?” rebuttal.
Good. I guess you’ll shut your stupid yapper from here on in.
FROM KING DAVID TO VON BRUNN
Would James Von Brunn have made it as a member of the Irgun Zvai Leumi? Undoubtedly not. The Jews who terrorized the British out of Palestine in 1946-1948 were rational men, rationally calculating how best to drive out of Palestine a well-armed opponent. Their terrorism had the support of the entire Jewish community in Palestine, the Yishuv. Every member of the Irgun, the Stern gang and the other Jewish terrorist gangs operating in Palestine were regularly sheltered by their brother Jews. Not once was a Jewish terrorist betrayed to the British by a brother Jew. These Jews meant business. They did not go around shooting hapless security guards at museums. They blew up trains and munitions dumps. They killed a hundred at a time by blowing up hotels. They kidnapped sergeants and booby-trapped their bodies. They assassinated high British officials and United Nations mediators. They staged daring breakouts from ancient prisons. They massacred helpless civilians at Deir Yassein and Tantura. They acted with precise intent toward a well-defined objective. – the expulsion of the British and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
Now contrast this pre-meditated terrorism with the foolish act of a foolish old man. James Von Brunn could not possibly hope to drive the Zionists out of America by launching a one-man kamikaze assault on the Holocaust Memorial Museum. He did not have the backing of his fellow whites. He had no well-organized support system behind him. He could not kill anyone of importance, even if he succeeded. At most, he could help to stigmatize all Holocaust Deniers as potential assassins, like him. He could help to get “hate crimes” and “hate statutes” passed by a counterproductive act. That is the difference between the rational political violence which created the state of Israel and the irrational violence of a born loser like James Von Brunn.
THE RUBICON MCCARTHY WOULD NOT CROSS
“Jewish Organizations Response To Communism And To Senator McCarthy” by Aviva Weingarten is a very recent (2008) but very informative examination of the hidden topic behind Senator Joseph McCarthy’s anti-communist investigations – the Jewish involvement in same. As Miss Weingarten makes clear, McCarthy was extremely unpopular with Jews, because the communists McCarthy was exposing were disproportionately Jewish. The Jewish defense organizations (the American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress and the Anti Defamation League) conceived the strategy of opposing communism while upholding civil rights against McCarthy’s “excesses”. They also made alliances, somewhat reluctantly, with non-Jewish anti-communist groups, such as the All American Conference To Combat Communism (the AACCC). This was basically an attempt to portray their “anti-communist but pro-civil rights” positions as something other than the Jewish defense mechanism it basically was. The defense organizations were less enthusiastic about such organizations as the American Jewish League Against Communism, headed by Rabbi Benjamin Schultz. McCarthy made intense efforts to make sure that his anti-communist crusade was not portrayed as an anti-Jewish crusade. Thus, he stated in a speech of April 1954 speaking of the communists: “First, they emphasize the religion of traitors and security risks in those instances where it so happens that they are of the Jewish faith. This type of propaganda, as the Communists well know, catalyzes latent prejudices and creates race hatreds.”
McCarthy, although despised by the vast majority of America’s liberal/leftist Jews, nevertheless had a significant number of anti-communist Jewish supporters. These included the so-called “China Hands”, George Sokolsky, the well-known newspaper columnist and Alfred Kohlberg. It is also highly probable that McCarthy appointed Roy Cohn, the Jewish lawyer, as chief counsel to the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in an effort to prove that he was not anti-Semitic. Cohn and David Schine, his assistant, were never popular with the media. Their ill-fated trip to Europe to search overseas American libraries for communist books was a fiasco. Schine’s drafting into the Army lead to subsequent charges of attempted preferential treatment by McCarthy’s subcommittee. It became a highly contentious issue during the later Army-McCarthy hearings. McCarthy also made efforts to get Roy Cohn, his chief counsel, appointed to the Board of Directors of the ADL. The Senator further had a meeting with the ADL, arranged by his friend, George Sokolsky. The meeting has been variously described by the participants but did not result in any modus vivendi between McCarthy and the ADL, which continued to oppose his methods. There were several incidents in McCarthy’s career which bordered on anti-Semitism without ever crossing the line into it. The first was the uproar over the appointment of Hungarian born Jewess Anna Rosenberg to Assistant Secretary of State for Manpower in November 1940. Allegations arose that Mrs. Rosenberg had been a Communist Party member in the 1930’s. The allegations were made by a former communist, Ralph de Sola, who claimed to have attended John Reed Club meetings with Mrs. Rosenberg. The charges were dismissed as a case of mistaken identity, although it has since come to light that in December 8, 1942 an article by Anna Rosenberg, described as “Regional Director, War Manpower Commission” appeared in the Communist “New Masses” magazine, with a drawing of Mrs. Rosenberg’s face. Aviva Weingarten concludes that McCarthy went after Rosenberg, not because she was Jewish, but because she had been appointed by Secretary of State, George Catlett Marshall, who McCarthy held responsible for the fall of China to the communists.
Another issue which brought McCarthy dangerously close to the forbidden issue of Jews and communism was the investigation of the Army Signal Corps installation at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey in October 1953. The Army and the FBI had already been independently conducting their investigations and had identified 42 security risks, 39 of them Jewish. The ADL conducted its own investigation and asserted that the problem was “anti-Semitism”. One particularly acrimonious episode arising from the Fort Monmouth investigations was the issue of who promoted the security risk, the dentist Irving Peress, to major. It was in this incident that the issue of preferential treatment for David Schine came up. The Army claimed that the “persecution” of Peress was retaliation for the failure to obtain preferential treatment for Schine. McCarthy became extremely belligerent over the issue in the televised Army-McCarthy hearings and this became one of the major precipitating factors in his downfall.
Although Aviva Weingarten’s study is well documented, there are some interesting omissions in her account. She makes no mention of the role McCarthy played in uncovering the abuses of the Malmedy Trial in Germany after the war, where McCarthy vigorously condemned the black hoods and other torture methods used against the Germans by Jewish interrogators in American uniforms. Perhaps this involvement explains why the Jewish controlled American media were ready to pounce on McCarthy when he made his famous Wheeling, West Virginia speech about communists in the State Department. Nor does she mention his very close friendship with James Forrestal, the thoroughly anti-Zionist Secretary of Defense. Perhaps these omissions would undermine her thesis that McCarthy was only anti-communist, not anti-Zionist. She does admit that McCarthy’s investigation of Anna Rosenberg involved McCarthy with known anti-Semites, like Benjamin Freedman, Gerald L.K. Smith and others. Aviva Weingarten also has to admit that Jews were disproportionately involved in the American Communist Party, although she maintains the standard apologetic defense that the majority of America’s Jews were anti-communist. (A very dubious proposition, as anyone who has studied the subject knows.)
Joseph McCarthy, as “Jewish Organisations” shows, tried very hard to distance himself from any accusations of anti-Semitism. It did not work. No matter how many overtures he made to Jewish organizations, no matter how many anti-communist Jews he employed or praised, the body of organized Jewry remained against him, then and until the present day. Even the confirmation of so many of his charges has not changed this hostility. (Indeed, the confirmation of the charges against so many identifiably guilty culprits has probably increased the hostility.) There is a profoundly important message in all this. There can be no compromise with Jewry. Present day authors, like professors Walt and Mearsheimer, who imagine that they can insulate themselves from the wrath of Jewry by making nice distinctions between “good, loyal Jews” and bad Zionist Jews deceive themselves. It cannot be done. It did not work in the case of Joseph McCarthy; it will not work for them. Senator McCarthy had the opportunity to convert his anti-communist crusade into an anti-Jewish crusade. That was precisely what the Jewish organizations feared. But McCarthy decided to play safe. By deluding himself that compromise with the real enemy was possible, he lost the opportunity to rebel against the real target. America has been paying the price ever since.
Since I can no longer access the thread on the Holocaust, I will post here.
The whole issue of 09/11 is a no-brainer. There is not a single intelligence official in Europe who does not know it was an inside job by the Jews. So what is there to debate?
http://vdare.com/roberts/090618_waning_power.htm
The idiots at counterknowledge.com should simply read Paul Craig Roberts.
“There is not a single intelligence official in Europe who does not know it was an inside job by the Jews.”
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
You would d be funny if you weren’t mentally ill.
Why don’t you provide us with this list of intelligence officials then?
John…welcome back.
You’re damn straight that the events of September 11th, 2001 were an inside job…of course, there are those who are just need it spelled out for them.
Though these individuals don’t count as intelligence officials, I’d like to think that their two cents do matter:
Francesco Cossiga, former president of Italy
Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the University of Hamburg
Prince Turki al Faisal, former head of Saudi intelligence
So…there’s three. Care to put up or shut up?
I think Hanover answered your question, Lee.
http://zioncrimefactory.wordpress.com/israel-did-911/
I believe that this comprehensive analysis from “Missing Links” isconclusive.
Grandpa Thames
“I think Hanover answered your question, Lee.”
If you think that answers the question, your mental illness is more advanced than I thought. You asserted that all western intelligence agencies believed that the jews were responsible for 911.
Please provide the list of all these agencies and agents, and your sources.
Otherwise you are incorrect. Aren’t you?
If you have problems understanding a simple question just let me know.
Let’s ignore the retarded posters here…sometimes they substitute words like “European” for “western” inadvertently…can’t imagine why.
Let’s get back to the issue at hand - are you nitwits still stuck on stupid? Do you really believe that there’s any chance some “terrorist network” was able to pull off this attack without some assistance from quislings within our government?
If so…the burden of proof is upon YOU.
Lee:
You haven’t paid the slightest attention to any source I’ve ever posted. But now you want “sources”. How amusing.
Grandpa Thames
I did not think you would be able to answer the question.
“You haven’t paid the slightest attention to any source I’ve ever posted. But now you want “sources”. How amusing.”
Aw, what a childish trick to try an hide the fact that you haven’t got any sources to back up your arguments.
You said all western/ European agencies believe that 911 was performed by the jews.
Which agencies said this, who within them said it and what are the sources for your assertions.
Otherwise you are a liar or mentally insane. Take your pick. It is simple really isn’t it?
Lee:
In between sucking your own dick (about all you’re good for), try doing a little research. Here’s one for you, asswipe.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=114778
That’s some dandy research you did there John. Since you were fantasizing about Lee’s penis, you might have failed to notice that Francesco was president from June 29, 1985 – April 28, 1992. Hmm. 1992? That’s not even close to 2001.
And…
Wasn’t he forced to resign for doing exactly what he claims took place?
Fangfuck:
You haven’t had one intelligent thing to say yet. Nothing has changed.
Yeah.
You said:
“There is not a single intelligence official in Europe who does not know it was an inside job by the Jews.”
You backed it up that easily disputable claim (I only have to provide a single intelligence official who disagrees) with a single quote from a President Emeritus that left office back in 1992. He’s not even an intelligence official. He’s an ex president, (now lifetime senator) who is certainly not speaking from a position of deep involvement in the intelligence community. On top of that he’s not a conspiracy theorist. The statement he made was a sarcastic attempt to point out how loony idiots like you are. Do you honestly believe that he believes
“The trap was organized to create solidarity for Berlusconi, which is having lot of problem related for the tangle between RAI and Mediaset.”
Yeah, a Bin Laden tape threatening Silvio was invented so that Silvio Berlusconi could shift attention away from a minor broadcasting dispute. You people will believe anything as long as it supports your hatred of Jews, won’t you? Hey, if it’s true can you show me that tape? No. You can’t. Francesco made it up as part of the joke that you didn’t get.
Can you also explain why Francesco hasn’t said anything else that supports your view, provided any evidence, and even directly refutes the notion that 9/11 could have been in inside job in print?
Yeah. I’m the one who’s not intelligent. I’m the one that doesn’t think things through.
‘Since I can no longer access the thread on the Holocaust, I will post here.’
You probably exhausted the bandwidth with your repeated, obsessive posting over the past four months, Mr Thames. Still, if you are a sad neo-Nazi loser with no friends, no prospects and no life, what is there left for you to do.
Incidentally, you use the ‘claims’ made by former Italian President Francesco Cossiga as ‘proof’ that Mossad did 9/11. In fact, he was simply being ironic, and pouring scorn on the stupidity of ‘truthers’. Your inability to recognise sarcasm when you see it more or less proves his point:
http://counterknowledge.com/2008/12/is-support-finally-drying-up-for-the-911-truth-movement/
http://conspiracydebunkers.blogspot.com/2008/02/alex-jones-and-francesco-cossiga-911.html
Still, I guess your grasp of current history is a weak as it is of 20th century history. Hence your repeated insistence on making a tit of yourself on this website.
Mr. Welch;
Those who can do nothing useful in life become university lecturers. Look at you.
Since appearing on this website you have proven yourself an unmitigated horses ass on every subject. You failed to disprove my evidence on Jewish involvement in communism; you never delivered the long promised archival proof of the alleged shooting of every Jew on the eastern front; you alleged that my State Department document on “The Power And Aims Of International Jewry” was a forgery and then had nothing to say when I proved it wasn’t; you could not rebut either the German camp records or the forensic tests on the Auschwitz “gas chambers”; you were silent on the activities of the Jews at the Paris Peace Conference ; you ignored the history of Zionist manipulation of the British Empire and its policies. Now you attempt to talk your way around the overwhelming evidence that 09/11 was an inside job by the Jews.
You are a pathetic failure in life, Mr. Welch. When you have enough money in the bank where you can spend all your time researching and writing, like me, then you will have achieved a plateau. Until then, you can only churn out WW1 “Pravda” style English historical verities. I have a suggestion for you, Mr. Welch. Why don’t you get a job as Tony Blair’s official spokesman? Then you can recite “weapons of mass destruction” at the same time that you affirm the existence of “gas chambers” and preach the “truth” of 09/11.
Every born jerk should rise to his proper station in life. You have yet to achieve yours.
Fangfuck:
Get yourself a job as grading papers for Mr. Welch. You are both “birds of a feather”.
After reading the various comments on this post, it is clear to me that what is required is a clear exposition of the revisionist position. That might clear up the confusion reflected in so many of the posts regarding September 11th: it was a HOAX!!!
First, and the most obvious, Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda could not have done it. No one has EVER been able to come up with a single, reasonable, rational explanation as to why religious fundamentalists would want to crash planes into crowded office buildings. A basic tenet of revisionist methodology is: if it doesn’t make sense to us personally, it couldn’t have happened.
Second, there is no physical, forensic evidence of even the existence of the so called “Twin Towers.” The Twin-Tower profiteers insist that this “Ground Zero” was the site of these buildings. I challenge anyone to go to ground zero today and show me REAL evidence of these buildings. Do you see any REAL evidence of there having been two immense buildings there? I sure don’t.
Third, the only “evidence” that any aircraft were flown into the twin towers is some grainy video, and some “eyewitnesses.” How reliable is any of the video (supposedly taken in the year 2001) when they’re so grainy looking? Are we supposed to believe there were no modern cameras in New York in the 21st century? Come on people.
And how can you trust eyewitnesses? Billions of dollars have been paid out by the government and private insurers to $eptember 11th “victim$.” Were they trying to get on TV or cash in? Ya think.
Fourth, and we’ve been through this lie before, the estimate at the number of dead has been reduced – SEVERAL TIMES!!!! There is no clearer evidence that this was a hoax then showing the mortality estimates have been revised.
Since it is impossible to prove a negative, the mere fact that I have demonstrated that the $eptember 11th hoax has NO reliable eyewitnesses, NO reliable documents, and, above all, NO reliable physical evidence whatsoever, should be enough to discredit this hoax.
Was that last post a typo John?
Surely you meant to type; I guess was wrong about Francesco, and my statement that all European intelligence agencies believe it was an inside job was a blatant fabrication.
Ok, dick heads. See the attatched link by Paul Craig Roberts, especially the comments by the German, Andreas von Buelow and the Russian, Leonid Ivahov.
http://vdare.com/roberts/070910_911.htm
Ron is failing at his second career as attempted satirist. Some things never change.
Speaking of “tits up”…how’s this: http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0609/DOJ_Aipac_case_witness_asked_to_fakesuicide.html
Nothing like a li’l obstruction of justice to really get those scumbag juices flowing.
“See the attatched link by Paul Craig Roberts”
You know what’s missing from that article?
The opinion of all the intelligence agencies in Europe.
I did see a quote from a truther who served in German intelligence from 1976-1980. And a saw a comment from a guy who was not “Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces” rather he was a figurehead of military coordination for Russia’s rather flaccid version of the EU. Both of which are involved in “axis for peace” who’s main agenda is to blame America for everything that’s wrong with the world. To that end they say, things like “international terrorism doesn’t exist” and then attempt to prove that America is responsible for that thing they just said doesn’t exist.
Here we go again.
Since Fangfuck cannot address the essence of the criticisms, he instead dwells on the job titles. How typical. What a pathetic dick head.
What essence? You got some losers blowing smoke when you claimed to have the entire European intelligence population.
Your claim is clearly a fabrication.
AN UGLY BUT UNEXPLAINED POSSIBILITY
John Kennedy is the perfect illustration that no U.S. president who wants to survive can afford to beck Zionism. Kennedy tried – and failed. His failure may even have cost him his life. It is first necessary to realize that there was intense Jewish hostility toward the son of that “Nazi”, Joseph Kennedy, Sr. Second, it is necessary to realize that Kennedy was far from a shoo-in for the nomination at the Democratic convention in 1960. Both Lyndon Johnson and Adlai Stevenson were real contenders for the presidential nomination. To get the nomination Kennedy had to agree to appoint LBJ, who he detested, to the vice-presidential job. It was done precisely to appease the Zionists who detested Kennedy. Johnson had always been one of Israel’s main supporters, as he had demonstrated in 1956 during Eisenhower’s demand that Israel vacate the Sinai Peninsula. Bobby Kennedy, JFK’s brother, hated LBJ and opposed the move but was overruled because of political necessity. All the political moves described above were orchestrated by Phil Graham, the extremely influential editor of the Zionist controlled “Washington Post”.
When Kennedy got the nomination he had to make the usual groveling speech before the Zionist Organization of America blaming the Arabs of Palestine for Israeli-Palestinian tensions and suggesting that they go elsewhere to solve the festering refugee problem. Kennedy knew better, of course, but had to pay the price of power. When he got into office, Kennedy began applying extreme pressure to halt Israel’s development of nuclear weapons at Dimona. Abe Feinberg, the billionaire hosiery manufacturer, intervened and flatly told Kennedy to “back off” – or his lavish campaign contributions would no longer be available to the Democratic Party. Ultimately, a sham inspection was arranged complete with a bogus control room and a Hebrew interpreter instructed to lie. It was straight out of James Bond. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas in 1963. Who did it? No one knows. But what is clear is that U.S. policy toward Israel did a complete about face after Johnson came to power. And remember, Johnson had been installed as VP candidate by the Zionists who did not trust Kennedy. Was the assassination, then, punishment by the Zionists for turning pressure on Israel? Were the sins of Joseph Kennedy, St. avenged through the murder of the son? Clearly, the Zionists had killed before. They had murdered Lord Walter Moyne, the British High Commissioner in Egypt in 1944. They had assassinated the United Nations mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte and French Colonel Serot. They had blown off the southwestern wing of the king David Hotel in Jerusalem killing over ninety people. They had hanged the two British sergeants, Clifford Martin and Mervyn Pace and bobby trapped their bodies. They even sent letter bombs to ex-Palestinian officials in London to spread the terror there. Did John Kennedy die at the hands of the same international force?
When LBJ entered the presidency he opened the floodgates of U.S. aid to Israel. Influential Zionists like Walt Rostow and Abe Fortas, the Supreme Court justice, were everywhere in his administration. Arthur Krim, the head of United Artists, was one of his closest friends and political backers. When Israel attacked the intelligence ship, U.S.S. Liberty in 1967, Johnson ordered a cover-up which has lasted to this day. Next to Pearl Harbor and the 09/11 attacks, it remains one of the great cover-ups of political skullduggery to this day. It was done precisely to appease the Zionists. LBJ’s Warren Commission, which whitewashed the assassination, was filled with Jewish lawyers who never investigated Israel’s motivations for assassinating the late president. It was the arch-Zionist from Philadelphia, Arlen Spector, who concocted the preposterous “single bullet” theory to maintain the fiction of a lone assassin. Someone very powerful was pulling all kinds of strings to make sure that the real reason for the assassination never came out. Was it the same power that unleashed a hoax of six million murdered Jews upon the world at Nuremberg? Jack Ruby, the Jew who murdered Lee Harvey Oswald, the purported assassin, desperately wanted to talk. He was never allowed to. Who silenced him? Was it LBJ, the Zionists man, who gave the order?
The ancient principle, “Cui buono?”, still applies. John Kennedy’s assassination removed an anti-Zionist from office and put a life-long tool of the Zionists in power. It had been the Zionists who had forced Johnson onto the ticket against Kennedy’s wishes to control the son of a famous anti-Semite. LBJ gave up the extremely powerful position of Senate Majority Whip to take a go-nowhere position as Vice-President of the United States. Johnson then became President of the United States through an assassin’s bullet – and all resistance to Israel vanished from the U.S. government. None of this proves that the Jews killed JFK. But the consistency of the evidence, Johnson’s role from the Los Angeles convention to the ascendancy of the White House, the known background of both Kennedy, Sr. and Robert Kennedy who served on McCarthy’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations as assistant counsel, the life-long pro-Zionism of LBJ, the sudden and overt change in U.S. policy toward Israel following Kennedy’s assassination, all this clearly raises very ugly possibilities that the mainstream media have deliberately ignored for decades. And we all know who runs the media. The reader may draw his own conclusions.
Sorry Fangfuck:
My claim that every intelligence official in Europe knows that the Zionists did it is far too modest. Actually, every citizen on the street knows it, too.
P.S. “loser”. How many millions do you have in the bank, like I do, asshole? That’s how I find the time to intellectually castrate your shit-for-brain.
John Thams a/k/a Wilbur Sensor,
Your poor understanding of history in general, and Israel in particular, is staggering. From Israel’s perspective, Eisenhower was viewed negatively and Kennedy positively.
During the Eisenhower administration, U.S.-Israel relations were terrible. Eisenhower wanted closer ties with Arab states to encircle the USSR. Eisenhower bolstered Greece, Turkey, and Iran with regional alliances with Arab countries. Eisenhower purposefully left Israel out of these alliances, denied Israel arms, threatened economic sanctions, condemned Israel’s 1956 Sinai invasion, and forced Israel’s withdrawal.
In contrast, Kennedy (Robert and John both) spoke openly of empathy for Israel and American Jewry. Kennedy broke the U.S. taboo on selling sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and delivered Hawk antiaircraft missiles to Israel.
Kennedy never applied “extreme pressure” on Israel about Dimona. The memos and meeting between Kennedy and Ben Gurion on Dimona (which are all published now) were relaxed. While Kennedy was concerned about proliferation, he was extremely concerned about China and German nukes, and couldn’t appear selective by allowing Israel’s program.
That probably explains why Eisenhower received 40% of the Jewish vote and Kennedy received 82%.
Dangumit WIlbur
That jew college boy has done whupped ya again. Get yer dang butt out of them silly nazi websites and start studying fer your GED or yer gonna fail agin!
By intellectual castration you mean posting a quote from a guy who was making fun of you, and the implied impression that you think that 2 goofballs in Axis for peace represent the entire European intelligence community?
Or is it just the more literal persistent fascination with my man junk that you’re talking about?
Wilburrrrr,
“LBJ gave up the extremely powerful position of Senate Majority Whip to take a go-nowhere position as Vice-President of the United States.”
How do you cram so many historical, political and common sense errors into one sentence?
LBJ didn’t give up the position of majority whip, he was Senate Majority Leader when he joined the JFK ticket you bonehead. How could you get that wrong? Oooo maybe “the mainstream media have deliberately ignored for decades” this fact. Jeezus you’re dumb.
Do you have any idea how many “no-where position Vice Presidents went on to become President of the U.S.? 14. And guess how many “extremely powerful” Senate Whips went on to become President? Better yet, ask any senator if they’d rather be the “extremely powerful” whip or the “go-nowhere” VP.
Holy guacamole your ignorance is breathtaking.
Howdy Wilbur!
It’s yer ol’ pal Vern hyuk yuk. I heard Pa Wilbur was a-hollarin’ cuz you failed yer GED test agin. Y’all need to borrow my course book? Hyuk yuk. See ya at the cross burnin’ tonite.
Yer pal
Vern
“The ancient principle, “Cui buono?”, still applies.”
Welcome y’all to the john thames aka wilbur sensor turkey shoot
To all my horses ass critics:
I suggest you get a copy of Alan Hart’s “Zionism: The Real Enemy Of The Jews: Volume Two, When David Becomes Goliath” and read the first few chapters. Relations between Kennedy and Israel were anything but “non-strained” over the issue of Dimona. When did I ever deny that that Eisenhower applied pressure over Israel’s occupation of Sinai in 1956? Yes, Kennedy did get 90% of the Jewish vote in the election. But they certainly did not trust him because of his father’s background. And yes, LBJ was put on the ticket at Zionist insistance to keep a watch on Kennedy.
The question of whether Johnson was Senate Majority leader or Senate Whip is incidental. The point is that he gave up a powerful position for a go nowhere position - and then conveniently was elevated to the presidency by an assassination. Johnson had always been in Zionism’s pocket from his first day in politics. It was his friend and later Supreme Court justice, Abe Fortas, who got those 200 dead Mexican votes for him in the 1948 Senatorial election counted after they were originally thrown out - by appealing to his friends on the Supreme Court to overturn the ruling. Johnson had been instrumental in getting Jews out of Germany in the 1930’s - the conductor Eric Leinsdorf being a good example. Then LBJ collaborated with his friend, Jim Novy, in illegally smuggling arms fom Texas to the Zionists in Palestine using United Fruit boxes packed with guns and munitions.
This is the man who made it to the presidency after Kennedy’s assassination. The assassination happened in Johnson’s home state - and LBJ was the man who most immediately and directly benefitted. Who was behind LBJ? The Zionists. Who gave Israel everything it wanted and covered up the USS Liberty attack afterward? LBJ. Naturally you guys don’t want to talk about any of this for obvious reasons. But the theory that the Jews killed JFK is as good as any - and better than most.
Wilburrrr,
“Relations between Kennedy and Israel were anything but “non-strained” over the issue of Dimona.”
All the memos, correspondence and meeting notes about Dimona are on the net bonehead. Relations between the US and Israel were excellent, and after Dimona, the Kennedy boys were adamant and open in their support for Israel.
The Kennedy administration marks a dramatic and positive reversal in policy from Eisenhower. Kennedy is revered in Israel, and by American Jews. How could you not know that?
“The question of whether Johnson was Senate Majority leader or Senate Whip is incidental.”
No its not, its one of a string of sloppy mistakes you always make. Your ignorance about simple geography, history and religion is astounding. It’s precisely your sloppy mistakes which lead you to your ridiculous conclusions. As they say: garbage in, garbage out.
“The assassination happened in Johnson’s home state - and LBJ was the man who most immediately and directly benefitted.”
So what’s your argument now, “cui buono” man, Johnson killed Kennedy?
Wilbur
Haw haw “cui buono” man, that’s a funny. He done got ya there Wilbur. Dag gum you gotta hand it to that jew boy he sure makes y’all look dum.
I thinks y’all might be needin my GED books agin.
Ronnie Boy:
You are incredibly stupid - as well as incredibly incapable of evaluating evidence. Lawyers refer to concepts known as “weight” and “relevance”. Your adolescent shit-for-brain cannot understand either of these concepts. Constantly you wish to make minor slips the test of an argument. Thus, if you can point out that Transjordan did have a port-on-the-sea or that LBJ was Senate Majority leader, rather than Majority Whip, you immediately pounce. But if you cannot refute the main point, namely that the Entente victors, in collaboration with academics and Jews, screwed up the map of Europe after WW1, then you have nothing to say. Similarly, since you cannot deny that Zionist Jews distrusted Kennedy because of his father and that they did put LBJ on the ticket to keep an eye on Kennedy, then you have nothing to say.
You remain a sophist, Ronnie Boy. And as to events in Dallas, police normally look for the guy with the most to gain from the commission of the crime as the primary suspect. In this case, the guy who most immediately gained was LBJ. Whose interests did Lyndon serve his entire life in politics? Why, the interests of the Zionists. Who gave them the green light for the war of aggression they launched in 1967? LBJ. Who covered up their act of war against an American ship? LBJ. Now please don’t tell me, Ronnie Boy, that evil, wicked, Gamel Abdel Nasser started the 1967 war by sending a few measley divisions into Sinai and fucking with the shipping in the Suez canal. Lots of Israeli diplomats and generals, including Menachem Begin, have admitted that Nasser was only bluffing and that his bluff gave the Israelis the excuse to launch a war they already had in mind. Read Hart, and other authors for confirmation. But please don’t quote me pseudo-historian, Dr. Oren.
Your knowledge of history is that of a reader of newspaper headlines, Ronnie Boy. You don’t know anything more about Kennedy’s relations with the Zionists, the maneuvers behind his presidential nomination, the background to the 1967 war or any other subject than you know about fake “gas chambers”, a mythical six million or two trade centers and a third building demolished on Larry Silverstein’s express instructions. You are a fucking idiot, Ronnie Boy - and a perfect product of a modern “educational” system.
Hey Wilbur, I may be “. . . a perfect product of a modern “educational” system” but it’s a hell of alot better than a nut job who thinks he has “vast historical acumen” but didn’t know the first income tax was passed decades before WW1; Transjordan had an outlet to the sea; LBJ was the Senate leader not the whip; that Kennedy marked the turn towards warm relations with Israel; that Hitler wrote about the “jewish problem” not Herzl etc etc etc
It’s no wonder you think israel killed kennedy, jews caused 911, there was no holocaust, can’t fathom evolution and Transjordan had no outlet to the sea. Face it, your just not knowledgable about history, geography, science and religion. I’d call your level of knowledge retarded, but I’d be insulting the mentally challeneged.
And yes I deny your allegation zionists didn’t trust Kennedy, they loved him, and today they revere him. Your allegation is the product of not knowing basic american history and politics.
Garbage in, garbage out.
“But if you cannot refute the main point”
A judge would be quick to point out that there is no main point if it’s all built on circumstantial evidence, and evidence that’s completely fabricated. You keep complaining that we’re focusing on the erroneous minutia in your posts. The reality here is that minutia is what you keep offering for discussion. Minutia is all you have to support your idiotic claims.
To put it simply, if your evidence was compelling, more people would believe it.
You made a wild claim that everyone in Europe believes that Zionists blew up the world trade center. You then backed up that claim by pointing to an Italian ex president who was making fun of you, and 2 washed up politicians who subscribe to the notion that America is to blame for everything wrong in the world. Is there something else to your claim that needs refuting? Some other evidence?
Anything at all?
Ron and Fangfuck:
Circumstantial evidence is used all the time to get convictions in courtroom proceedings - as you stupid little shits might know if you had ever been in a courtroom. Frequently that circumstantial evidence is far less compelling than in the case of 09/11 or Pearl Harbor, for example. Now, since poor little Fangfuck is fixated on the completely irrelevant fact of when the income tax first came into American life, the obiter dicta was preface to an essay in which I documented the organizing behavior of American Jews for a post-war peace conference, said organizing taking place in 1915 before the end of the war was in sight. Nowhere did stupid shit Fangfuck try to rebut the fact of the organizing or its plain implications; instead he screamed that the income tax first came in about the time of the Civil War under Lincoln. That point is not exactly relevant to the theme of the essay, is it?
Here we have the same nonsense from a dumb ass who strays off into irrelevancies every time he is confronted with a devastating rebuttal. Poor little Ronnie Boy confuses popular perception with reality. Despite the “Camelot” bullshit, Zionist leaders behind the scenes were initially very wary of Kennedy. They did not trust him at all. LBJ was the “keeper” demanded by the Zionists through Phil Graham as the price of the nomination. “Believe it or not”, Turkey brain.
Now, since this is a discussion of 09/11, perhaps you silly little asses can answer the following points.
Who stood to gain from the 09/11 attacks, if not precisely the Zionist Jews who used the attacks to justify a subsequent invasion of Iraq?
Who told Larry Silverstein to buy the twin towers and insure them against a “terrorist attack”, which then so fortuitously happened?
How did all the air defenses just happen to go dead just before the attacks?
How did the purported pilots develop such astonishing navigational skills in such a short time?
How did several of the alleged “terrorists” then turn up alive in other parts of the world?
Who sent that Indigo message alerting the Jews in the building to get out?
Why were seismographs of internal explosions inside the towers recorded by nearby seismographs before the two planes struck?
Why did the two buildings go down like the controlled demolition they were?
Who carted away the steel beams before they could be examined forensically for tell-tale stress marks caused by planted charges?
Who told “Lucky Larry” to pull down the third building on his cell phone and why was this not covered in the official report?
Why were those good old Jew boys jumping up and down with glee after the attack?
Why did fellow Jew and subsequent head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff not tell the public what these Jews said after they were released back to Israel?
I won’t go on belaboring the obvious. If these questions do not give you a clue, listing additional examples would serve no purpose. By the way, where is the refutation of “09/11, Missing Links”?
“Circumstantial evidence is used all the time to get convictions in courtroom proceedings”
Sure it’s used. It’s coupled with direct evidence such as eye witness testimony, and forensic evidence. Circumstantial evidence requires corroborative evidence in order to be credible. You are missing the corroborative evidence.
Much of your rantings don’t even meet the burden of admissible circumstantial evidence. For example, you posted a quote from a guy who would directly refute your intent to show that he thought that Zionists were behind 9/11. No judge or jury would take your word over Francesco’s on the matter of whether Francesco thinks that Zionists were truly behind 9/11.
Your MO has been to make an argumentative statement. Everyone in Europe thinks Zionists did 9/11. This statement is used to support some other wild claim. In complete shock that you would make such an outlandish claim, others call you on it to prove such a thing.
You then vomit up a mass of three types of support for this statement. You offer fabricated evidence, such as the idea that a former Italian president thinks Zionists did it. You offer fallacious evidence, such as the idea that 2 politicians are representative of the entire European population. And you offer invective. We are all circumsized (sic) shit for brains because we don’t believe Zionists did 9/11. These three types of support combined do not prove that everyone in Europe thinks that Zionists did 9/11.
Your next move is to claim that we didn’t address the original claim that you supported with proven nonsense. But you’re wrong. We did address the original claim. It was supported by circumstantial evidence that was completely false, thus, it remains unproved.
“Now, since poor little Fangfuck is fixated on the completely irrelevant fact of when the income tax first came into American life”
You have me confused with someone else. There’s a shocker. You can’t even retell a story that took place, what, a month ago? Some historian you are.
“Who stood to gain from the 09/11 attacks, if not precisely the Zionist Jews who used the attacks to justify a subsequent invasion of Iraq?”
Not to quibble with a jew hating white supremicist but:
1 lots of various parties “stood to gain” with from the 9-11 attacks -namely, al Qaeda - who could demonstrate that they could strike at the heart of enemy, gained enormous support worldwide and many volunteers with their success on 9-11 and previous attacks against US targets.
2. I don’t know how the zionist jews gained anything from 9-11
3. zionist jews didn’t use 9-11 to justify an attack on Iraq and the last zionist jew attack on Iraq was in 1982. Since 1982 zionist jews have been far more concerned about Iran, it’s nuclear weapons buildup, their terrorist attacks against jewish targets worldwide, their support for Hezbollah and HAMAS, and destabilizing efforts in the arab world.
4. If memory serves me right (and let’s face it i’m a mere product of a modern “educational” system”)
a) it was that paragon of jewishness, rabbi George Bush, who ordered the attack on Iraq,
b) joined by several U.S. allies
c) not by israel
d) 9-11 wasn’t the justification of the Iraq war.
e) WMDs, support for terrorism, previous use of WMDs and violation of numerous UNSC resolutions were the justifications.
Face it, your just not knowledgable. It’s kind of sad to see your poor grasp of basic historical facts. It’s little wonder you reach absurd conclusions. Garbage in garbage out.
Don’t get me wrong, It’s fun watching you fail high school level history , geography, religion, and poli-sci 101, but deep down I feel sad giving you an F all the time.
Dear Ron and Fangfuck:
I can see that you two adolescent shit-for-brains actually do believe the nonsense that you write. In case you guys had not noticed, the United States invaded Iraq following 09/11. Why don’t you “educated “shit heads get a copy of Stephen Sniegowski’s book “The Transparent Cabal” and then tell me that it was George Bush, Jr. who was really behind the attack on Iraq. What nonsense. Equally nonsensical is the claim that the attack on Iraq was launched because of non-existent “weapons of mass destruction”. No one buys that one - except a total shit-head like Ron. As for violations of United Nations Security Council resolutions, dear old Israel has been doing that since 1948 to present with nary a declaration of war from anybody. As to Iraqi crimes, many of the “crimes” Sadaam Hussein committed during the 1980’s were done with our assistance and encouragement - back in the days when he was one of our allies. And we supplied him with the weapons he used. Or, have you two “history buffs” overlooked that? Idiot Ron claims that because Israel did not join the second Iraq war that therefore Israel’s lobby had nothing to do with the war. Ever hear of getting someone else to do your dirty work for you, lollipop brain? And, oh yes, Israel gained nothing from the two attacks on the twin towers. Really? Remember Netenyahu’s statement immediately following the two attacks that they “were very good for Israel”? Why do you think he made that statement? Does the Israeli PM have a grasp of political reality that Ronnie dick brain lacks? You utter stupid shit. Most Americans, according to major opinion polls, continue to believe that Iraq and Sadaam Hussein had something to do with the 09/11 attacks, although he provably did not. Still want to tell me that the US could have invaded Iraq a second time, but for 09/11?
Now for stupid shit, Fangfuck. Fangfuck claims that circumstantial evidence requires corroborative evdence. This, if you can believe it, from an imbecile who cannot correlate suppressed German camp records with forensic tests by several investigators that jibe with what the camp records say. This, from a fucking idiot, who cannot notice that huge numbers of well and alive Jews after a world war is inconsistent with the claim that “six million” of them were exterminated. This is the jackass who speaks of “corroration”. Do wonders never cease?
I notice that of all the questions I posted only one, about who benefitted from the 09/11 attacks was addressed, very feebly, by Ron the shit-head. All the others were ignored. Of course big, bad Al-Queda gained from the attacks. Al-Quaeda is nothing but a false flag for those too stupid to think - like Fangfuck and Ronnie dumb shit. The mysterious, all-powerful Al-Quaeds planned an operation right under the nose of the US government, developed miraculous flying skills never before seen, warned the Jews through Indigo to get out of the building (how considerate of them), shut down the security systems through the magic power of Allah (blessed be his name), planted explosive charges within the buildings without every Jew in New York catching on, told Larry Silverstein to buy the buildings beforehand and insure them from “terrorist attack” (special registered mail from Mecca, no doubt), and then hired all those Jews to jump up and down with glee at Al Quaeda’s “great success”. No doubt Al Quadea also appointed fellow Moslem Michael Chertoff to head Homeland Security, retained Dov Zackheim and Systems Planning Corporation to provide the remote control guidance systems to help out rookie Arab pilots and, of course, rigged seismographs at surrounding universities to record explosions within the two towers before the planes actually stuck the buildings. No doubt Al Quaeda also hired those fellow “Moslems” from Israel to attempt to blow up the Mexican Parliament several days later and used its awesome power to get the “Moslems” released the next day.
Hei the power of Allah - and, please, heil the “wisdom” of Ronnie Dick-Brain and Fuehrer Fangfuck who believe in this nonsense the same way they believe in “gas chambers” and reincarnated “survivors” down at the reparations office.
P.S. Boys.
Who fired the missle into the side of the Pentagon? And what happened to the dead bodies and missing wreckage of the plane that supposedly did it? Ask Allah. He believes in miracles - just like you two.
Hehe Wilbur “vast historical acumen”
“Who told Larry Silverstein to buy the twin towers and insure them against a “terrorist attack”, which then so fortuitously happened?”
Silverstein didn’t “buy” the twin towers you bonehead, he leased the WTC complex. How could you not know the difference between the two basic concepts. Are you that dumb?
Silverstein didn’t insure them against “terrorist attack” he was required under his lease - like every business lease in america - to purchase casualty insurance, which used to cover for terrorism.
You may be the only idiot who calls 9-11 fortuitous, as Silverstein lost the major chunk of his legal bid to collect on insurance to rebuild the towers, and is now stuck paying his lease even though he has no tenants.
It’s no wonder why you come to ridiculous conclusions, you have no grasp at all of historical, political, business, legal, religious or geographical facts. Garbage in garbage out.
“Why were those good old Jew boys jumping up and down with glee after the attack?”
Your confusing palestinians with “good old jew boys.” Although you’ve shown how jews and palestinians share genetic traits, they are in fact different.
The only jumping up and down with glee after the attack that I’m aware of was the glee shown by these palestinians dancing, singing, horn honking, and passing out candies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
Are you going to suggest the palestinians did it?
I ain’t knowing what that jew college is gonna say about this, but I think your right on this son:
“Who told “Lucky Larry” to pull down the third building on his cell phone and why was this not covered in the official report?”
There just aint no way to explain their way out of that pickle. I’m proud of you son, you’re a real inspector Clouseau. By gum you’ve cracked the case!
Wilbur, right on the money (as always) keep up the good work!
“Who carted away the steel beams before they could be examined forensically for tell-tale stress marks caused by planted charges?”
The National Institute of Standards and Technology investigated the steel. They have a thorough report of their years long, in-depth, forensic analysis of the steel recovered from WTC - with colorful pictures, maps, drawings and microscopic images.
Oh and a report with a whole bunch of words and stuff too.
Imagine that, you were wrong on basic historical facts.
Who’d of thunk it?
“corroration”
What in the world is that, and when did I speak of it?
I spoke of corroboration. Your evidence must fit together to tell a story; your story. It doesn’t. Man, your whole world view is supported on a flimsy stack of cards that’s built from the top down. There’s no base for these things that you are saying. When we point that out, you accuse us of attacking minutia, but the bottom line is you did not prove your claims. Suppressed German camp records do not jive with forensic tests. You don’t have suppressed records. You don’t have a credible test. It’s all a fantasy that you’ve created in your mind, Wilbur. You can’t just keep repeating them and expect us to just give up and believe them.
This new batch of questions you asked are all founded in this fantasy land. No one ordered WTC7 demolished. The steel was examined forensically. Jews didn’t gain from the attack. The U.S. didn’t gain financially from the invasion of Iraq, nor did Israel. But as we tear down this house of cards from the bottom, you still claim to stand at the top unshaken. You still claim that we didn’t address “the big picture.” but we did and do. Your big picture is colored in with crayons that don’t exist, Wilbur. We have continually shown that they don’t.
Now the only question is whether you know they exist or not. Do you know you’re peddling disinformation, or do you think you’re speaking truth? Are you fake but accurate, John?
I don’t know. I do know that the more you fight here, the more we can see that it’s an illusion that you’ve created for yourself. Is it a willful delusion that allows you to cling to your belief that you are better than someone else? Does it stem from a profound sense of inadequacy and self loathing? Do you project those traits that you hate about yourself onto others, so that you don’t have to feel responsible for them?
Wilburrrrrr
“As for violations of United Nations Security Council resolutions, dear old Israel has been doing that since 1948 to present with nary a declaration of war from anybody.”
What security council resolutions.
‘Why were those good old Jew boys jumping up and down with glee after the attack?’
It seems that no matter how hard you try to nail a lie, some moron is going to continue to repeat it. And I see that Mr Thames is still refusing to take his meds.
http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html
http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html
Mr Thames says that the planes were flown by remote control into the WTC towers. That lie is refuted here:
http://www.911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf
He says that a missile was fired at the Pentagon, and there was no plane. Another lie that’s easily dismissed:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
It seems that Mr Thames has now grown tired of spreading myths about his beloved Nazis, and he’s decided to do the same about 9/11.
THE OPPOSITION THAT ALWAYS FAILS
How little Americans know of the anti-Zionist struggles that have taken place within the departments of their own government. When John Kennedy became president of the United States he sent around to his State Department a memorandum which stated that “just because we got 90% of the Jewish vote, does not mean we are in the Jews pocket”. Kennedy early in his regime attempted a solution of the Palestinian refugee problem on the basis of resolution 194 of the United Nations, which held that the refugees had a right to return to Palestine or be compensated financially if they chose not to return. The early effort failed. However, shortly before his assassination in November 1963 in Dallas, Kennedy was once again planning a comprehensive solution of the Palestinian refugee problem based on resolution 194. He died shortly thereafter. Was there a connection? It is true that Kennedy agreed to sell Hawk Surface-To-Air missiles to Israel, a reversal of the Eisenhower administrations policy. However, he did this only in exchange for Israel agreeing to a phony inspection of its nuclear reactor in Dimona. Zionists within the Kennedy administration, such as Myer Feldman and the billionaire hosiery manufacturer, Abe Feinberg, vehemently objected, Feinberg even threatening to withdraw his much needed financial support if Kennedy did not “back off”. In December 1962 Kennedy held a meeting with Israeli foreign minister Golda Meir, in which he told her very bluntly that U.S. support for Israel was a two-way street – and that the departure of Zionist hard-liner David Ben-Gurion from office would be highly desirable in terms of improving U.S.-Israel relations.
Richard Nixon as U.S. president went to Israel’s rescue in the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Yet as the debacle of Watergate descended upon him in his second term of office there were signs that he was getting fed up with Israeli intransigence. Nixon sent general Vernon Walters, Deputy director of the CIA, to hold private talks with two PLO representatives, Khalad Hassan and Majed Abu Sharar in April 1974. Walters came back very impressed with the Palestinian position and so reported to Nixon. In June, shortly before his resignation from office, Nixon toured the Middle East. He harshly criticized the Israeli policy of never ending war with the Arabs, saying: “…some might say in this country and many of our very good friends in the Jewish community of the United States are saying it now, let’s go back to the old days. Just give us the arms and we can lick all of our enemies and all of the rest. I don’t think that’s a policy. I don’t think that is viable for the future… time will run out.” Nixon also wrote a letter to King Feisal in which he stated: “Your Majesty, trust me that I will realize justice for the Palestinians.” As of August 6, 1974 Nixon was turning down a request for long-term military aid for Israel. Moreover, he had instructed Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to prepare an order cutting off all military supplies to Israel until Israel was prepared to make peace on the basis of U.N. resolution 242, requiring withdrawal from all occupied territories. On August 9, 1974, Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment. The timing speaks for itself.
Again and again, one finds U.S. presidents planning to take action against Israel and its lobby – only to be stymied, again and again, by circumstances and the usual pressures. These pressures remain totally unknown to the average citizen – and are blacked out by the Zionist controlled media. But to read the record is to know what force controls the American government.
The Counterknowledge lie team is at it again.
Mr. Welch, who cannot even read historical accounts of Jewish commissars, now posts a supposed refutation of remote control planes. I doubt he understands one word of it. I am sure I don’t. Welch apparently believes that Arabs mastered flight capabilities beyond those possessed by professional pilots to fly two major airliners through New York Cities skyscrapers to collide dead on into two buildings. And those Israelis jumping up and down with glee. Why, they were just observing something they just happened to witness. Perfect timing!
The other idiots tell me that poor Larry Silverstein did not gain anything from the takedowns. Most amazing! I read that he reached a two billion dollar settlement with his insurers. And of course there was no suppression of German camp records at Auschwitz. That is why all the records disappeared into the interior of the Soviet Union for fifty years after the end of the war.
As usual I am accused of psychologicasl problems by nitwits who cannot even see the obvious in front of their face. Genius of the ivory tower Welch tells me that a plane hit the side of the Pentagon. Gee, I remember seeing photos of the lawn on the initial news reports. There was no plane wreckage and no dead bodies. Highly unusual for a “plane crash”. Keep on lying, boys. You are convincing no one.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.html
No missle, right?
“Gee, I remember seeing photos of the lawn”
That’s how all the great forensic investigations are conducted. They look at some photos in Newspapers, and deliver their opinion. Good work John. You’re a scientist now!
“Most amazing! I read that he reached a two billion dollar settlement with his insurers.”
You read wrong. It was more than that. But that doesn’t really prove that he gained, does it? Larry’s bid to the port authority for the lease was worth more than 3.2 billion. He insured for 3.5 billion.
He then payed 100 million a year in rent, so that he could collect how much in sublease? How much the lease itself worth currently? Had he tried to sell it? You know that he still has the lease and pays on it despite there being no buildings there? He’s still stuck with the bill despite the fact that most of the money from the insurance companies has been sunk into the design phase of new construction?
How much does a 100+ story building cost to build exactly? Do you know?
“And of course there was no suppression of German camp records at Auschwitz.”
What I find interesting is that you know what’s on these suppressed documents. That white cross burning hood must give you psychic powers. It’s also interesting that the German records are super complete and never mention anything about endlosung der judenfrage, except where you’re missing evidence, and then they are suppressed. And we all know that they are suppressed by the Russians who came in and took them, and not by the Germans who burnt them before the Russians got there.
“I doubt he understands one word of it. I am sure I don’t.”
You don’t understand the intricacies of flight, so therefor no one else can? That’s quite an ego you have there.
Fangfuck is a real genius.
He has never bothered to read any of the revisionist literature on what the German records really do say, but he just knows that they’ve been doctored. What does one do with with an adolescent idiot like this?
No comment I see on U.S. Israel relations. As usual, total silence on the facts.
“he just knows that they’ve been doctored”
I didn’t say anything about anything being doctored. I pointed out that you claim that there are records that have been suppressed, and you claim to know what’s on those records. This is not evidence, John. It is a figment of your imagination. Even if records have been suppressed, your claim to know what they say is nothing but a fantasy.
“No comment I see on U.S. Israel relations.”
Your so called facts are suppositions that you’ve strung together on innuendo and concocted evidence (like your suppressed documents) The only comment required is that you are incorrect in your analysis. That’s because I addressed the evidence you use to support that analysis.
U.S. / Israel relations are going where they should…into the shitter.
Many people are waking up to the attempted sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty and the DELIBERATE MURDER of 34 of its crewmen.
Not to mention the Lavon Affair, The U.S.S. Cole and other scumbaggery.
Try and tell me again how the U.S.S. Liberty was a “mistake”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVy5XHjuGI&feature=player_embedded
Occupation 101–U.S. Aid to Israel
The Invention of the Jewish People
A sizable portion of my research has been aimed at those people and institutions throughout history who have automatically taken the word of self-described “Jews” that they are in fact descendants of the Jews on the Bible, based on the following “evidence”: their own say so. (Historically, the Catholic Church fell particularly hard for this masquerade).
Their say-so has never been enough for this writer and I am shocked at how entire theological and political architectures have been erected around the baseless assumption that Israelis, Zionists, and Talmudists from Brooklyn, are certainly the descendants of the Jews of the Bible.
Has anyone read Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9?
In autumn, Verso Press will publish in English, Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People. (400 pages. Cloth ISBN-13: 978 1 84467 422 0. US$34.95)
Sand is a historian at the University of Tel Aviv. He demonstrates that today’s “Jews” are mostly not the descendants of Biblical Israelites. They are descended in large part from Khazars who converted to rabbinic Talmudism (”Judaism”).
Oops.
The Oscar-winning composer behind ‘You Light Up My Life’ raped 11 women he lured to his apartment with the promise of a starring role in a movie, prosecutors said today.
The women read an online ad placed by director, Joseph Brooks, applied for the audition ‘and thought this was their chance to become a big star,’ prosecutor Lisa Friel said.
Instead, once the women were in Brooks’ Manhattan apartment, he plied them with wine and forcibly raped them or used threats and coercive behavior to make them have sex with him, prosecutors said.
Brooks, 71, denied the accusations. He pleaded not guilty in Manhattan’s state Supreme Court, where he is being tried for 91-counts and charged with rape, criminal sexual act, sexual abuse, assault and other charges. He faces up to 25 years in prison if convicted of first-degree rape.
Justice Charles Solomon set bail at $500,000 bond or $250,000 cash bail and gave Brooks until Thursday to post it. The judge told Brooks not to leave town without letting the court know.
Fangfuck:
Since you are too stupid to see through official lies like the 09/11 report, how would you know a verifiable fact if you tripped over one? Read Paul Craig Roberts:
http://vdare.com/roberts/070326_evidence.htm
As to the information contained in my esaay, try reading “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jewish People, Volume Two: David Becomes Goliath”, from which the information is taken. You might learn something.
Hanover:
A word of caution. I don’t like movieland scumbags either but the behavior described by the prosecution sounds much more like seduction than rape to me. Using wine and promises to get women into bed may or may not be ethical, according to one’s point of view, but calling it “rape” is a feminist invention. I would wait for the facts to come out on this one.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Nuclear-Weapons-Key-to-Isr-by-Grant-F-Smith-090619-659.html
More reading for “Counterfacts” stupid fucks.
Granpa Thames
You said that all the western intelligence agencies believe that the jews were behind 911.
I suggested that if you could not provide a list you were a liar or mentally ill. I see that you have failed miserably. Therefore, you have proved my point. Which one are you?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
What an idiot you are…I’m just sat here laughing at you….though I know I should not really laugh at the mentally ill.
For centuries, Jewish elites have been trying to rewrite world history to paint a ‘peaceful Jewishness’ mask, thanks to their monopoly over media and banking institutions. However, many moral Jewish writers have exposed this ‘anti-Semitism’ myth. For example, Rabbi Michael Lerner wrote in Tikkun Magazine: “The media has been abuzz with stories of Jews denouncing former President Jimmy Carter for his book ‘Palestine: Peace or Apartheid’. The same charges of anti-Semitism that have consistently been launched against anyone who criticize Israeli policy is being launched against the one American leader who managed to create a lasting peace between Israel and a major Arab State (Egypt). Instead of seriously engaging with the issues raised, the Jewish establishment and media responds by attacking the people who raise these (racism, apartheid, mass killing, etc.) or any other critiques – shifting the discourse to the legitimacy of the messenger and thus avoiding the substance of criticism…..”
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/israels-roots-of-anti-semitism-racism-and-communism/
The free ride may be coming to an end.
http://jewise.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/typhus-the-killer-in-the-camps-the-true-story-of-the-gas-chambers/
The only gas chambers in existence are the mouths of Welchy, Fung, Lee and Ron…Willy H hasn’t mumbled enough to qualify.
Lee:
Try sucking your dick on line.
Hanover and I have been exposing Jewish lies since this debate began. You would not know a “lie” if you saw one- how could you? - when all you do is swallow them hook, line and sinker.
Try sucking your dick online? What does that even mean? Is that something “revisionists” do to prove that the Jews are liars?
My comments on Thames’ lies about 9/11 have not been cleared, so I won’t repeat them:
‘He has never bothered to read any of the revisionist literature …’
That’s right, brownshirt. He hasn’t, I haven’t, and no one else has outside your demented circle. No one reads ‘revisionist literature’ (and I’m glad you’ve admitted that its all fictional and concocted by calling it ‘literature’) in the same way that no one drinks bleach or eats putrefying food.
Aside from the fact that the only defenders of Holocaust Denial and 9/11 conspiracy theories are two retards who think that potty-mouthed insults and screams of abuse are a substitute for reasoned and informed argument, I cannot think of much else to say, except that Mr Bradley (the original source of this thread) can no longer deny that the ‘truth’ movement attracts the scum of the earth like a magnet attracts iron filings.
Ha No Ver
“Instead of seriously engaging with the issues raised, the Jewish establishment and media responds by attacking the people … shifting the discourse to the legitimacy of the messenger and thus avoiding the substance of criticism…..”
Carter said he wrote the apartheid book to stimulate debate, but when on his book tour he was repeatedly asked to engage in debate, he repeatedly refused to debate.
Carter was also attacked for using maps and other information that was copyrighted without permission or knowledge of the original authors.
Carter was also attacked because his book misstated what happened in meetings and how his book differed from the notes and minutes of the meetings.
In other words, Carter was attacked because of the substance of his criticism - his book misstated facts about meetings, appropriated copywrited information and he refused to debate the substance of what he claims.
Oh, and being a paid employee of the most powerful lobbying group on capitol hill - the saudis - didn’t help.
Welchy…conversely, you can no longer deny that the ‘debunker’ movement isn’t indunated with the dumbest bastards known to retards.
“No one reads revisionist literrature”…then why are you tools so up in arms about it? If it’s all just a bunch of hooey, let people call bullshit with they see it…the problem here is that you’re standing in a mirror and yelling BULLSHIT!
Ron…two words - OCTOBER SURPRISE.
Oh dear…let’s see some of these “mistated times and dates”…otherwise, you’re boring me with the same bunch of bushwah…
My ctitics become ever more pathetic.
Mr. Welch should be promoted to Professor Emeritus of Higher Stupidity as soon as possible. He has certainly earned it. Ron becomes more inane by the minute. Now he is accusing ex-president Carter of misquoting minutes of meetings and misappropriating maps. I am glad to know that I am not the only “distorter” of historical facts. It is so lonely to be the only one doing it. As for the Saudis having the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill, I can only laugh. The NRA and the AMA, not to mention AIPAC, are more powerful by far.
Hanover is entirely correct. The other side wishes to evade the substance of the issues at all costs. It is self-evident why. Mr. Welch accuses me of being a brownshirt. I have never advocated National Socialism and do not advocate it now, a fact that Mr. Welch simply ignores. Most of my reading is done in academic reference works, particularly Jewish ones. How amusing that I have actually done the research that liscenced quack Joseph Welch has not. One need not be an academic to do historical research. Some of the best historical writing has come from non-academics. Just try reading Patrick Buchanan’s: “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War”, Mr. Welch. You might learn something. Or, you might try reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together” in its French translation. You undoubtedly know how. There is no need whatever to read Holocaust Denial, if it perturbs you so greatly.
The attempted rebuttals of documented facts by my opponents, on 09/11 and every other issue, are almost pathetically laughable. Thus, Mr. Welch trots out the nonsensical NTSB report on 09/11 as “proof” that there were no internal explosions within the trade centers. Laughable. He ignores the opinions of thousands of reputable scientists and engineerrs on 09/11 the same way he ignores Leuchter, Luftl and Rudolf on “gas chambers”. Truly, those who have degrees and credentials do not have to face facts they do not like.
Ron and Fangbeer I simply ignore. They have no reasoning ability and cannot be expected to have any. But Mr. Welch truly offends me. Educators are entrusted with the education of tender minds. They have a professional duty to impart the mechanics of thinking to their pupils. They are obligated to be widely read, knowledgeable and as accurate as possible. Mr. Welch, a pretentious ass, fails in his professional duties on all counts. He knows nothing while thinking he knows everything, he cannot disprove easily verifiable information on disproportionate Jewish involvement in communism, he ignores the abundantly documented statements of leading British statesmen on why they issued the Balfour declaration, he pretends that the Zionist movement did not constantly pressure British statesmen to achieve its aims in Palestine, he ignores the innumerable lies that the English told about the First World War, he refuses to read English revisionist historians like Charmley and Irving on WW2, and he cannot deal with provable chemical and forensic facts on German labor camps.
Of course, it would be totally unfair to single out Mr. Welch as unique. He is an all too typical example of the kind of intellectual whore who proliferates at our institutions of higher stupidity. For that very reason, he is worth taking apart ruthlessly. Mr. Welch has zero knowledge of either primary sources such as documents or secondary sources such as reference works. Not merely does he dismiss revisionist volumes as not to his liking, he also ignores information, “admissions against interest”, as the lawyers put it, from reference works of his own side. Thus, the erudite Mr. Welch will claim that there is no evidence for deep Jewish involvement in communism when, in fact, dozens of reference works by Jewish authors show that there was such involvement. He will claim that Zionism exercised no international power during the pre-Israel days - and then ignore the enormous international pressure that was exercised at Lake Success in New York during the partition of Palestine resolution. He can’t even read the documented statements of President Harry Truman about the enormous Jewish pressure that was exerted on him - and how he sold out to get Jewish votes and money. Presumably, he reads Roberta Wohlstetter, Gordon Prange and Donald Goldstein on Pearl Harbor - and dismisses George Morgenstern, Harry Elmer Barnes, John Toland, Percy Greaves, Frederic Sanborn, James J. Martin and others as “revisionist quacks”.
Joseph Welch is such an enlightened, well-informed man. No doubt he has consulted Eugene Lyons and Malcolm Muggeridge on the outrageous pro-Sovietism of the 1930’s. Undoubtedly he had read James J. Martin’s magisterial two volume hisory “American Liberalism and World Politics”, documenting the double-think and circular stupidities of intellectuals such as himself between the two world wars. He harps constantly on the need to do “research” - and yet he has never consulted a single one of the thousands of intelligence reports post-WW1 on Jewish involvement in communism - nor has he bothered to consult the overflowing evidence of coercion and distortion that was employed at Nuremberg to reach pre-determined conclusions.
Anyone can be forgiven lack of knowledge. But for a supposedly educated man to sneer at those who have sought and found knowledge - because their researches offend his world view - those are the attitudes of a bigot and a charlatan hiding behind his credentials. Mr. Joseph Welch is precisely such a bigot. He should be drummed out of his profession, never to be heard from again.
“He ignores the opinions of thousands of reputable scientists and engineerrs on 09/11 the same way he ignores Leuchter, Luftl and Rudolf on “gas chambers””
Thousands, huh? Should I take that to mean the same as when you say “everyone in Europe?”
I don’t know about Joseph, but I did not ignore Leuchter. I pointed out that he was wrong. I explained why he was wrong. I provided access to studies that directly support my claims. I pointed out that his study, and his opinion of that study was thrown out of a court of law as being of “no greater value than that of an ordinary tourist”
Your only defense was that 2 other people agree with him, and that I was circumsized (sic). You did not resolve the issues that have been raised with why he was wrong, nor did the other two dudes. I suspect this is because, as you stated regarding controlled flight, you didn’t understand a word of what you were talking about.
But we’re idiots for not agreeing with something that you don’t understand.
I note that Joseph addressed each of your wild 9/11 claims in the same way I addressed Leuchter. Many of them before you even claimed them here. Here on Counterknowledge Joseph’s been documenting and responding to a hoard of so called truthers, with your questions not exactly being groundbreakingly new to the discussion.
When you get bored of accusing us of ignoring you, perhaps you’ll take a moment to read them.
Fangfuck:
As I’ve pointed out before, you are actually stupid enough to believe what you write. Pathetic.
I read your so-called refutations of Leuchter, Luftl, Rudolf, et. al. with amusement - and devastatingly destroyed your apologetics. You claimed that the reason that only minute (infintesimal, actually) traces of hydrogen cyanide residue were found in the so-called “gas chambers” was because so much less Zyklon B was needed to kill bugs than humans. When I pointed out to you that the “witnesses” to the “gassings” all said that huge amounts of Zyklon B were poured into the chambers, you had nothing to say in response - and still don’t. Apparently you argue that:
(1) The witnesses are tha absolute proof that “gassings” occured
and
(2) that the witnesses cannot be trusted on a key point of testimony because that would destroy your camoflauge.
Kinda want your “logic” both ways, don’t you, jerk brain?
You ignore that the two defenders of Leuchter were not two stray individuals but highly trained scientists, one with many years of testifying in court cases as president of the Viennese Society of Engineers and the other a very skilled chemist with impeccable credentials (the thing you accuse Leuchter of lacking).You further ignore the out-and-out fraud committed by the Polish scientist who also found precisely the same abscence of cyanide in the so-called “gas chambers” - and who then fudged his results to get the conclusion he wanted. Then, you came up with the hocus-pocus that the Prussian Blue failed to form because it supposedly doesn’t combine with the plastics on the wall surfaces. Then you claimed that exposure to the elements washed away the Prussian Blue - ignoring all the documented cases that Rudolf came up with showing that Prussian Blue resists the elements quite nicely.
You never stop lying, do you, Fangfuck?
And oh yes, those court cases that just “prove” everything. Just like the discredited 09/11 report “proves” what happened to rwo towers. True, the questions I have been possing are not exactly new. But neither are the fraudulent “answers” you and ivory tower liar, Joseph Welch, have been posting in rebuttal.
I can’t wait until Welch gets done with his utterly exhausting ten hour a week teaching schedule to read what I wrote about his pseudo-scholarship. I predict he will be foaming at the mouth and shitting in his pants - like the official hirstory lie boy he is.
A RIGHTEOUS JEW
Jews have done so much evil over the centuries that it is difficult to believe that there is any good in any of them. But there are always a few. One of the most intellectually honest Jews around is the Toronto Sun columnist Eric Margolis. Mr. Margolis is only half-Jewish but he nevertheless exemplifies the principle that an individual Jew may have merit. Jewish or not, Margolis is the rarest of public commentators – a man who actually knows what he is talking about. The average journalist knows nothing of the past as he lies about the present. Eric Margolis has actually studied history – and knows what is being covered up. Thus, Margolis will candidly acknowledge that Soviet communism was a disproportionately Jewish movement. He is also honest enough to admit that it was precisely the Jewish involvement that got all Jews into trouble.
Eric Margolis is not a reflexive anti-Nazi like so many of his colleagues. As a former teacher of military history, he writes frequently with admiration for the fighting prowess of the Wehrmacht. He is also something of a historical revisionist. Margolis has written columns pointing out that the German army was basically destroyed on the eastern front by the Red army and that the D-Day invasion had little effect on the ultimate outcome of the war. He further emphasizes that the military performance of the Americans and British against the Germans was actually not too good. Despite having overwhelming numerical superiority and complete command of the air and sea, it took the allies over forty-four weeks to cross the same territory that the Germans crossed in only six weeks in 1940. The German divisions in France were badly under strength and had totally inadequate tank support. Despite this, the Germans because of superior determination and fighting skills caused the invading armies the severest difficulties.
Eric Margolis is not going to challenge the holy of holies, the so-called Holocaust. That would be extremely imprudent, given the proliferation of “hate” and thought crimes laws in Canada. But he does candidly admit that the Holocaust is being misused for political purposes. One reason Jews do not like to hear about the Ukrainian famine and other Soviet atrocities where millions died is that it would detract from the uniqueness of the alleged “six million”. (The other reason they do not like to hear about it is that the killers were mainly Jews in commissar’s uniforms.) Margolis also denies that the Holocaust in any way justifies Israel’s mistreatment of the Palestinian of the Palestinian Arabs. Unlike so many journalists who quail before the power of the Zionist lobby Eric Margolis, the Jew, candidly admits that his fellow Jews who colonized Palestine from the Arabs are in the wrong. Again and again, he condemns the Israelis for their brutal oppressions, including the recently concluded massacre in Gaza. Margolis condemns Palestinian violence too but never loses sight of the fundamental problem – a Jewish state squatting on stolen Arab land.
There are many other positive aspects to the writings of Eric Margolis. He rejects the war on terror as basically bogus and rightly emphasizes the amazing hypocrisies of U.S. policies. Thus, he notes that the same Mujhadeen in Afghanistan that the U.S. now condemns as “terrorists” were considered by the Reagan administration as “freedom fighters” against the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan back in the 1980’s. The same Sadaam Hussein who was hung by the Americans as a “criminal” was a CIA agent of America during the 1970’s and 1980’s – committing with our assistance and instigation the very actions we later labeled crimes. Margolis writes with amazing acumen on the economic insanity of both the Bush and Obama administrations. The United States are effectively bankrupt, Americans have no savings – and yet, America continues to fight wars and police the world as though it was still the richest nation on earth.
Eric Margolis, in short, is a beacon of truth and common sense in a profession usually noted for its Walter Duranty style intellectual prostitution. (And yes, Margolis has mentioned Duranty while writing on the Ukrainian famine.) While it would be going too far to contend that Eric Margolis tells the truth about everything, he is so far above the other members of his profession in historical acumen and intellectual integrity that he should be regarded as the rare treasure of truthfulness that he is.
Ha No Ver
I said Carter misstated fact, not “mistated times and dates.”
Carter wrote on p. 57: “The 1949 armistice demarcation lines became the borders of the new nation of Israel and were accepted by Israel and the United States, and recognized officially by the United Nations.”
This is false. The “1949 armistice” line did not become the “accepted” borders of Israel.
Carter wrote on p. 215 that “[An option for Israel is] withdrawal to the 1967 border specified in UN Resolution 242 and as promised in the Camp David Accords and the Oslo Agreement.”
This is false. The 1967 armistice lines were not drawn as permanent borders; they were cease-fire lines.
Carter wrote on p. 62: “The Israelis have never granted any appreciable autonomy to the Palestinians.”
This is false. After the Oslo Accords of 1993 the Palestinians achieved control of political, civic, security, medical and media institutions in all of Gaza and 40% of the West Bank.
Carter wrote on p. 148 (using copyrighted maps from Dennis Ross) [that the maps are] “Palestinian Interpretation of Clinton’s Proposal 2000″ and “Israeli Interpretation of Clinton’s Proposal 2000.”
Carter mislabeled the maps. Dennis Ross, who was there and drew up the original version of the maps said Carter got it backwards, the ”Palestinian interpretation” was from an Israeli map presented during the Camp David summit meeting in July 2000, while the ”Israeli interpretation” is an approximation of what President Clinton subsequently proposed in December 2000.
Carter wrote on p. 121 that “[an] Israeli settler uses five times as much water as a Palestinian neighbor, who must pay four times as much per gallon.
That is false. Sharif Elmusa, the water negotiator for the Palestinians, said Palestinians in the West Bank pay approximately $1 per CM for domestic water, “virtually identical with the price in Israel.”
There are many more, so many in fact, that Carter has promised to have the book re-published to get rid of all of the mistakes.
And all of these historical misstatements have nothing to do with the bigger criticism of his ignoring terrorism, and the effect the most powerful lobbying group in America has had on his opinions.
“When I pointed out to you that the “witnesses” to the “gassings” all said that huge amounts of Zyklon B were poured into the chambers”
This is no argument. It’s an anecdote. What’s a huge amount? How do you apply a witness’s description of a huge amount to a quantity in an experiment? You don’t even argue about the difference between the amounts used on bugs and humans. You just argue that a huge amount was used? That is far from a devastating rebuttal.
“Apparently you argue that:
(1) The witnesses are tha absolute proof that “gassings” occured
and
(2) that the witnesses cannot be trusted on a key point of testimony because that would destroy your camoflauge.”
Either you didn’t understand the argument, or you are willfully misrepresenting it. I did not argue either of those things. I argued that Leuchter did not perform a credible study of the site. I argued that his hypothesis was wrong, his procedure was wrong, and his conclusion was wrong. While were on the subject of avoiding arguments, on those topics, you did not respond. Leuchter assumed that more cyanide should have been found in human gassing areas, and he assumed that it should have been found in a compound (prussian blue) that would not have been expected to form in the environment consistent with a human gassing chamber. These are the fundamental problems with his hypothesis that I addressed, and that you “avoided.”
“You further ignore the out-and-out fraud committed by the Polish scientist who also found precisely the same abscence of cyanide in the so-called “gas chambers””
I guess I did ignore that, because it’s not the case. Cyanide was found in all locations predicted, and not found in the rest of the camp areas. I did not see evidence that data was “fudged”, nor did you present any.
“Then you claimed that exposure to the elements washed away the Prussian Blue”
I did not claim this. I claimed that cyanide exposure weakly penetrates concrete. I claimed that it is not inherent for this weak penetration of cyanide to form prussian blue in all environments. I claimed that other cyanide compounds are water soluble and therefor much more sensitive to factors like weather exposure.
“ignoring all the documented cases that Rudolf came up with showing that Prussian Blue resists the elements quite nicely.”
Oh yes, your other two experts. Rudolf did show that Prussian blue resists elements. That was never up for debate. The argument over whether Prussian blue is a valid indicator for cyanide detection given the process used to expose the concrete to that cyanide. The verdict is that it is not. Markiewicz showed this in his report by actually testing the formation of Prussian blue on the sample concrete. (something Leuchter did not do). Your argument that Prussian Blue forms when all concrete exposed to cyanide in all circumstances is fallacious. Just because it formed in the delousing chambers, that does not necessarily mean that it should have formed in the gassing chambers.
“And oh yes, those court cases that just “prove” everything.”
They are pretty weighty evidence that you have no clue what you are talking about. After all, your only defense is that judges have to be obedient to their Jewish masters, or some such nonsense.
Wilburrrrrrr,
It’s little wonder you get everything wrong all the time, garbage in, garbage out.
“As a former teacher of military history.”
Margolis maintains a website in his own name, and has a biography on this website. Nowhere in his own biography, does he claim to ever have been a teacher of military history.
“Eric Margolis has actually studied history.”
How do you know that? What did he study in college? Where? What does he have a degree in?
Here are some gems from “one of the most intellectually honest Jews around.”
On Syria:
Syria brought back order and stability to Lebanon.
Interesting, in that Syria funds hezbolla a state within a state that recently attacked the sunni, the christian and druzim of beirut in order to take control of Beirut, and probably assasinated it’s former prime minister.
On Arafat:
Arafat “may have been murdered by an untraceable toxin brought to Israel from KGB’s Moscow labs.
Uh huh. Israel, which lacks the expertise to defend itself, went to the bastion of anti-palestinian support - the Russians! - to get a weapon to kill arafat, because after all, Israel couldn’t concoct something themselves they aren’t that advanced and could never kill Arafat.
Oh wait, on Israel:
Israel is manufacturing biological weapons that are specifically designed to attack the cells of victims with “distinctive Arab genes.” “Israel was developing this hideous weapon in the Nes Ziona [sic] plant outside of Tel Aviv .”
Oh I guess Israel is that advanced!
On Iran:
Ayatollah Khomeini possessed “enormous moral stature” and showed the world that “ideas and faith were more powerful than police states.”
Thank the ayatollah for their enormous moral stature, without that they wouldn’t have a police state!
On Libya:
The Libyans’ 1986 bombing of a Berlin discotheque, were in reality perpetrated by the Israelis in order to discredit Qaddafi.
Israel needed to do that of course because Libya was so well thought of in the West!
It’s little wonder you praise Margolis as a “righteous jew” he is not jewish.
Grandpa Thames
“Hanover and I have been exposing Jewish lies since this debate began.”
I said you were a liar OR mentall ill. I think you are primarily mentally ill, a side effect of which is lying.
Come on then, your list of all the intelligence agencies that believe the jews were behind 911….
…is it a very long list and that is why it is taking you so long to compile it? Or is it so short there is nothing on it?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …….
Well, “Disinformation.com” , (otherwise known as “Counterknowledge.com”) is at it again. Now the professional liars are trying to claim that the abscence of Prussian Blue in the mythical “gas chambers” is explained by the fact that Prussian Blue (which rapidly combines with oher surfaces) supposedly only “weakly penetrates” the concrete of the walls of the “gas chambers”. Next, I get the sophistical nonsense that “a lot” of hydrogen cyanide is a vague, unmeasurable quantity. (”What is the meaning of is?” - Bill Clinton) All this horseshit has already been destroyed by Germar Rudolf. Go join the O.J. defense team, Fangfuck.
Now for pussyboy, Ron.
Ron needs a new job title - professional quibbler.That is really all Ronnie boy is good for. When one reviews his latest round of bullshit he argues profundities like the difference between armistice boundaries and borders of a permanent state, details of maps and like nonsense - just as he argues with me over the locations of ports on the Red sea. Then he tries to pretend that Israel cannot defend itself when all it has been doing since 1948 is stealing more and more Arab land. Next, he poo-poo’s the idea that Israel sets up incidents and tries to pin them on others. Apparently he has never heard of the Lavon affair in 1953-1954 or the USS Libert incident in 1967. Real research, Ronnie Boy.
The other side is completely out of ammunition. They can only resort to the same tired arguments, again and again. As for Eric Margolis, I find more truth in any of his columns than I find in any of the upsidfe down think bullshit that you guys write.
“Now the professional liars are trying to claim that the abscence of Prussian Blue in the mythical “gas chambers” is explained by the fact that Prussian Blue (which rapidly combines with oher surfaces) supposedly only “weakly penetrates” the concrete of the walls of the “gas chambers”.”
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. It’s apparant that you don’t understand the chemistry at all. The active ingredient in Zyclon B is Hydrogen Cyanide. It is a chemical compound that contains hydrogen and cyanide. When HCN comes into contact with a concrete wall, the CN does not penetrate. It stays on the surface. On that surface it must react with iron and oxygen (or compounds that contain iron and oxygen) in order to form Fe7(CN)18(H2O)x, or Prussian blue.
This is not something that takes place, as you put it, rapidly. Being an acid, HCN, is highly soluble, and could simply be washed off the walls before any reaction had a hope of taking place. Human gassing chambers held smaller concentrations of HCN, for shorter periods of time. In contrast, the delousing chambers held high concentrations of gas for longer periods of time. It stands to reason that they would have a greater percentage of CN compounds, including prussian blue. It also stands to reason that there would less chance to form prussian blue in the human gassing chambers.
But we don’t have to rely on reason. Jan actually tested the concrete and found this to be the case.
Wilbur,
“professional quibbler.That is really all Ronnie boy is good for.”
Is that what you argued to the Board of Education when you failed your GED. . . again? “Aww c’mon you quibblers, quit quibbling about being right all the time that’s quibbling!”
When you state your ridiculous conspiracy theories - the product of not knowing history, poor grasp of science, and laughable geography - and its pointed out that your dumb conclusions are from mistaken facts, it is no defense that others are pointing out your mistakes.
Not that I mind you sounding foolish. I’m just sayin’
Haw haw “quibblers” he done got ya there Wilbur buddy. Heh heh “quibblers” I get it.
Dangumit Wilbur,
Git your sorry butt out of them nazi websites, quit makin’ a fool of yerself in front of that danged jew boy, and start studying now or y’all aint never gonna pass that dern GED test!
http://www.robincmiller.com/pales2.htm
Fangfuck:
It is perfectly obvious that you do not know what you are talking about.
Your assertions are pure nonsense and have already been demolished by Rudolf. You are also too stupid to understand that even if your arguments were correct (they are not), the so-called “gas chambers’ still lack any means of distributing the gas, no ventilation, no heating system to raise the HCN to the evaporation point, no proper sealing and lack the space to have accomodated the claimed number of victims. In short, it is nonsense.
The delousing chambers could very easily have been converted to death chambers if such had been the real intent of the Germans. You ignore the consistency of the forensics with what the camp records actually show and instead try to confuse the technical points to get around the overwhelming evidence against the story. In short, poor little Fangfuck, you are both stupid and a liar.
Dear Ronnie Fuck Head:
I have a B.A. from the University of California and know more history on more subjects than you ever will.
GO WITH THE FLOW
It is amazing the faith that peoples have in official versions of history. They have been lied to on so many subjects so many times that one would think that they would learn. But no, they never do. Examples are innumerable. Let us examine a few. In the investigation of the Titanic disaster the court of inquiry determined that the big, bad iceberg did it. Ignored was the fact that the shipbuilders had deliberately supplied inadequate lifeboats because of the supposed watertight doors. Also ignored was the fact that the captain deliberately steered the ship through iceberg-infested waters, that he was trying to set a speed record and that lifeboats were not launched promptly. In the case of the Lusitania the captain of the ship was blamed despite the fact that the passengers were not warned by their respective governments that the ship was armed and carrying munitions. That the ship was deliberately sent into submarine infested waters in the hope that it would be torpedoed by a German submarine (as it actually was) was also deemed irrelevant. In the case of Chappaquidick the good Senator’s claim of amnesia was accepted at face value despite the remarkable number of phone calls the Senator made while under the influence of this “amnesia”. According to the Warren Commission a single bullet made twists and turns never before seen in the process of killing John Kennedy.
The Nuremberg kangaroo court invented crimes for the occasion and prosecuted the losers for the same offenses committed by the victors. They also invented technologically impossible “gas chambers” and a mythical six million dead. The 09/11 commission has even outdone the Nuremberg charlatans by pretending that a dozen or so Arabs learned how to pilot 757’s in a Florida flight school and then flew the planes through the most sophisticated flight defense systems in the world and, with perfect timing, crashed them into two towers. The towers collapsed as in a controlled demolition and all the witnesses inside the building who heard the controlled demolitions going off were merely dreaming. At Pearl Harbor FDR deliberately isolated the base commanders from the intelligence they needed, withheld reconnaissance planes and issued “war warnings” which weren’t. The fact that he needed an attack to maneuver a reluctant country into war proves nothing. It was all the fault of the commanders, Husband Kimmel and Walter Short. On and on it goes.
Why do people keep falling for such nonsense, again and again? The answer is primarily psychological. People do not want to realize they are being lied to. It raises too many ugly questions about the world they are living in. It is also dangerous to be a “non-believer”. It can get you fired from your job, ostracized and taken to the cleaners in divorce court if wifey does not like your freethinking. No one likes to be accused of being a “conspiracy nut”. It is better to go with the flow and believe like everyone else.
BITTER LOGIC
There is an old saying that things must get worse before they get better. This is a saying well worth considering in the context of Zionism in Palestine. The treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis is, of course, abominable. But it is also an anti-Semites dream. The more outrageously the Zionists behave, the more the anti-Semitic cause gathers strength. The Jewish commissars of Soviet Russia provoked Nazism; sooner or later the Zionist bulldozers of Israeli Nazism shall provoke a similar reaction. It is already building. The wholesale butchery of Gaza produced universal loathing and retching. When the inevitable attack on Iran takes place, the reaction will be even worse.
The Jews are getting themselves into big trouble. The wiser ones sense the danger. They know they can no longer hide behind the Holocaust – and even the truth on that is getting out. They know that if they go on supporting the state of Israel and its criminal behavior, the state of Israel will become the rope that hangs them. They know it but they are not yet ready to renounce the Jewish state. Like cattle, they low uneasily. They know the anti-Semites are arguing that they are all in it together. They know that when the state of Israel blows up in their face, that the anti-Semites will scream that Diaspora Jewry has been supporting, financing, lying for and covering up for the state of Israel from day one. They can hear, even now, the argument that the crimes of the state of Israel and the crimes of American Jews are one and the same. They know that the equation of principal and accessory shall be levied at them. They know it and they know the charges are true.
People shall resist bitter logic until bitter facts leave them no choice. With world economic collapse approaching and Israel preparing to blow the Middle East apart, the stage is set. That which has been unthinkable since the end of the Second World War and the Auschwitz hoax is now not merely thinkable but inevitable. The day of reckoning of the Jewish people worldwide shall come – and the price in blood shall far exceed the mythical six million.
Wilburrrr
“I have a B.A. from the University of California and know more history on more subjects than you ever will.”
Heheh except for:
1) the difference between hitler and herzl
language
2) which war changed US policy on neutrality
3) the correct decade for the first US income tax
4) the geographic history of the middle east
5) the judgment in Irving v. Penguin Books
6) genetics
7) comparative religion
9) american history
10) world history
Oh and the proper use of quotation marks.
“It is perfectly obvious that you do not know what you are talking about.”
Said the guy who doesn’t have a layman’s knowledge of simple chemistry.
“the so-called “gas chambers’ still lack any means of distributing the gas,”
And your proof of this is based strictly on opinions of some aerial photos. But we don’t need to rely on those. We have building blue prints. We have witness testimony. We have receipts for equipment, and orders for construction of equipment. We have testimony of procedure. You have to ignore all of this so that you can claim to know how buildings which have been demolished couldn’t have worked.
“no heating system to raise the HCN to the evaporation point,”
What? The vapor pressure of HCN is so high that it evaporates readily at temps as low as 0 C. It boils at 26 C. Human body temperature is 37 C. All you have to do to get the room to HCN’s boiling point is fill it with people. Heck, you don’t even have to get the whole room to 26 C. Just dump it on the people’s heads and it will boil on their skin.
“The delousing chambers could very easily have been converted to death chambers if such had been the real intent of the Germans.”
We’re not here to speculate how you would have killed the Jews.
“You ignore the consistency of the forensics”
You can’t claim that forensics that have been disproved on the basis of faulty science are consistent with anything. It certainly doesn’t prove that the forensics are correct. That’s circular logic. By the way, which records are you talking about this time? The ones that exist, or the ones you claim have been suppressed?
Wilbur,
Are you a moron? I mean, how can you write this:
“In the investigation of the Titanic disaster the court of inquiry determined that the big, bad iceberg did it. Ignored was the fact that the shipbuilders had deliberately supplied inadequate lifeboats because of the supposed watertight doors. Also ignored was the fact that the captain deliberately steered the ship through iceberg-infested waters, that he was trying to set a speed record and that lifeboats were not launched promptly.”
The only way you can come to this nutjob conclusion is if you quoted it from one of your nazi revisionist websites and ignored the history.
The British Government and Senate Commerce Committee investigated the titanic disaster in 1912 and found:
1) ice warnings putting ice north and south of titanics path were sent to titanic and ignored;
2) titanic had an inadequate number of lifeboats and failed to test all the lifeboats before launching;
3) titanic’s 21 knots was a factor;
4) nearby ships failed to respond to titanic’s distress calls,
5) lifeboat capacity was underutilized;
among many other findings. The only way you can say something as naive as:
“the court of inquiry determined that the big, bad iceberg did it”
is because:
1) you don’t know your history;
2) you get your information from wackjob revisionist websites;
3) you are not intelligent enough to know better.
Hey Wilbur,
“The treatment of the Palestinians by the Israelis is, of course, abominable. But it is also an anti-Semites dream. The more outrageously the Zionists behave, the more the anti-Semitic cause gathers strength.”
Does this mean that you, in a surreptitious effort to help the “anti-Semitic cause gather strength” are going to start supporting Israel?
If so, you can get involved here http://www.jewishla.org/Get_Involved.cfm
And thanks!
Hehe that jewboy done got ya there Wilbur ol buddy. Hehe y’all gonna start supportin’ israel. hehehe that’s a good one.
Dangumit Wilbur,
Git yer lazy hide off them nazi websites that jewboy is makin a fool of ye son! Y’all bette start studying fer that GED thingy cuz if you fail agin I’ma gonna tan yer hide boy!
“People shall resist bitter logic until bitter facts leave them no choice.”
You should know best about this. All your shucking and jiving to resolve the dissonance between reality and your preconceptions has served as a formidable proof. These delusions that everyone in Europe agrees with you, people who disagree with you are morons, or Jews, and evidence that disproves your theories must be “fudged” stand as testament to your adherence to this principal.
Your utter reliance on the arguments of those who agree with you is also telling. Especially telling since you don’t understand half of them. You just understand the conclusion. Isn’t that right?
Did you know that Rudolf no longer claims that chemistry disproves the notion that people were gasses in concentration camps? You do know that Leuchter admitted he had no idea what he was talking about in court, right?
Hundreds of words amounting to complete drivel.
Dear Fangfuck:
Go to nazigassing.com and read about the actual problems of gassing by someone who actually knows what he is talking about. You don’t.
Or you could just admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and that you’re relying on testimony of people who have an obvious bias that is in line with your own.
Consequently you have no cognitive basis by which to judge that testimony as valid or invalid. I have no doubt that Friedich fails to address each of the problems that I have raised with your arguments, John. That’s because your arguments are in conflict with simple principles of chemistry and logic.
You claimed the HCN needed to be heated to reach a lethal concentration. You’re wrong. You (attempted to) claim that Prussian Blue easily forms in conditions present in an execution chamber. You’re wrong. You assumed that since Germans used “huge amounts” of Zyclon B, that it took more Zyclon B to kill humans, than it did to delouse clothing. You’re wrong. You assume that Leuchter knew what he was doing when he collected samples from the camps. You’re wrong.
You assume that your pitiful argument proves that Germans didn’t gas anyone.
You’re wrong.
You keep claiming that people don’t believe you because they’re too stupid, or bias to believe you, but you have to admit a lot of the things that you claim are absolutely and provably wrong. Not just a few things you say are wrong. LOTS of things are wrong.
Your understanding of chemistry is abysmal. You can’t even accurately summarize something that happened a few posts ago let alone accurately recount things that happened 100 years ago. And your logical leaps are breathtakingly riddled with fallacy.
Oh Wilburrrrrrr,
“They also invented technologically impossible “gas chambers”
Technologically impossible? I’ve heard of wackjobs dismissing the notion of gas chambers used to kill humans, people who’ve claimed gas chambers were only used for delousing, but I have to hand it to you, this is the first time I’ve heard someone say: “gas chambers” didn’t exist because they were “technologically impossible.”
Heh heh is this must be one of those “bitter facts” that will lead to the “day of reckoning of the Jewish people worldwide…”
Think they’ll use technilogically impossible gas chambers in your conspiracy theory armageddon fantasy?
P.S. since we’re on the subject, what is the nutjob’s version of T4 - “technilogically impossible” or mere jew hoax to steal money for zionists to steal arab land?
P.P.S. Wilbur, last time I checked the University of California didn’t have a campus in Jerkwater, Mississippi.
Fangfuck:
You would not know a logical argument if you tripped over one. Stop pretending to either the intelligence or the knowledge you do not possess.
Ronnie Stupid Shit:
You have become utterly boring. UC is not located in Mississippi, obviously. So much for your understanding of geography. No onee has ever argued that gas chambers are impossible; merely that “gas chambers” at Auschwitz have none of the characteristics of the real thing.
Fangfuck:
You horses ass. Leuchter designed gas chambers that actually worked. You have never done any such thing. Get it?
“No onee has ever argued that gas chambers are impossible” - Wilbur
““They also invented technologically impossible “gas chambers” - Wilbur
“In the investigation of the Titanic disaster the court of inquiry determined that the big, bad iceberg did it. Ignored was the fact that the shipbuilders had deliberately supplied inadequate lifeboats” - Wibur
The Senate Commerce Committee Subommittee on the Titanic Disaster in 1912 found titanic had an inadequate number of lifeboats.
Oops, that’s right, you don’t know geography. Let me spell it out: not only does UC not have a campus in MIssissippi, there is no such place as Jerkwater Mississippi. I forgot about your low IQ.
If you ever puled yourself away from your nazi porn, and read how stupid you sound, you’d understand why you were “fired from your job, ostracized and taken to the cleaners in divorce court by wifey” who was as embarassed from your “freethinking” as everyone else.
Unless of course Ha No Ver is your wifey.
“Leuchter designed gas chambers that actually worked.”
Yet again another thing that you are wrong about. Leuchter did not design a gas chamber. He sold equipment that other people designed. While he does hold 2 U.S. patents, neither of them are for execution technology. United States Patent 4339198 is for a geodetic instrument, and United States Patent 3968570 is for an electronic sextant. He has a B.A. in history, an no credentials at all as an engineer. (Unless being a salesman qualifies him as an engineer)
Interestingly enough, the sleeze ball lied to and convinced certain government agencies that he was qualified to consult on the topic of execution technology. During the course of his charade he would testify for the defense if a state refused to buy his equipment. It wasn’t long before Florida, Alabama, And Virginia realized what he was doing and disregarded his testimony on the basis of a lack of credibility.
It is because of these lies that he was convicted of practicing engineering without a license, and sentenced to 2 years probation. Clearly it was evident to a court of law that Leuchter didn’t know what he was talking about.
“You have never done any such thing. Get it?”
That KKK hood giving you psychic powers again? My line of work is not in question here. Leuchter is the one who made the claims that you are weakly attempting to defend. I find it completely hilarious that you can only defend your own ignorance on the topic with posts that repeat over and over that I am ignorant of the topic. When an argument gets reduced to the I know you are but what am I defense, you can pretty much bet the party that used it has lost.
Do you have anything else besides 4th grade insults and fictional evidence?
“Leuchter did not design a gas chamber.”
Let me revise that to say that he never designed one that is actually in use. I have no idea if he tried to design one. He claims he did, but we’ve already established that he’s not too honest about the things he claims as true.
A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH
It has long been obvious that there is one standard for Israel and a different standard for everyone else. The reason is not hard to find. Jews wield enormous power in the world. No one wishes to challenge the power by pointing out the hypocrisy. One of the clearest illustrations of the truth is the touchy subject of United Nations resolutions. If Iraq or Iran violates United Nations resolutions they are set upon with a vengeance. But if Israel ignores United Nations resolutions, the response is discreet silence. One United Nations resolution after another on withdrawal from the occupied territories has been ignored for sixty years. Thus, both resolutions 194 and 242 have been, and still are, being ignored. The famous “Zionism is a form of racism” resolution of the 1970’s was repealed as an offense to the “power behind the throne”.
Another excellent example of the double standard for Israel is the subject of racial and sexual discrimination. Racial and sexual discrimination are under attack everywhere in the world. Yet in Israel racial and sexual discrimination are practiced with nary a protest from the world’s media. A particularly good example of this discrimination is the operation of the Jewish National Fund (the JNF). The JNF holds the majority of the land in trust for the entire Jewish people. The land is leased to the individual Jew on the specific condition that he not sublease the land to any non-Jew. This is exactly the same thing as a White National Fund leasing the land to a brother white on the condition that he never sublease the land to any non-white. Women in Israel were granted formal equality to men shortly after the establishment of the state of Israel. But one major exception was made to the principle – that was family law. Under Israeli law a woman may not obtain a divorce without her husband’s consent. It is called “giving her the get”. A woman in Israel cannot make the decision to have an abortion on her own. She must apply to a State Board, which then makes the determination based on the woman’s financial capacity to care for the child, the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate, etc. In short, the decision is one of state policy, not the woman’s convenience.
It would be idle to multiply additional examples. The relevant point is: One standard for Israel, a different standard for everyone else. People normally do not like hypocrisy. If they maintain silence in the face of overwhelming hypocrisy, it can only come from overriding fear – fear of a power capable of crushing them like a bug if they speak out. A power which can concoct a hoax of “gas chambers” and a purported sis million victims, a power which can kill forty million plus human beings in Soviet Russia, a power which can buy every politician in America, is precisely that kind of force. It is a force to be reckoned with.
Fangfuck:
You lying little shit.
Leuchter did indeed design an actual gas chamber. Get the book “The Holocaust On Trial” by Robert Lenski and read the testimony of Bill Armentrout of the Missouri Corrections system at the second trial of Ernest Zundel. Armentrout testified, under oath, that Fred Leuchter knew more about the actual technology of execution by gassing than any other man in North America. He made this testimony based upon his own personal experience with the use of Leuchter’s equipment. Do a little research into basic facts, Fangfuck.
Ronnie lie fuck:
I’ve never been married, so just how did my wife take me to the cleaners? Stop confusing the experiences of others with my life, idiot.
Wilbur,
I realize you are a numbskull in all matters historical, scientific, religious, legal, business, judicial and of course, geographical.
With the UN, you’ve managed to show your ignorance in two at once: historical and legal! Bravo. You should know that Iran and Iraq violated enforceable UNSC resolutions not UNGA resolutions which are usually not enforceable.
“The JNF holds the majority of the land in trust for the entire Jewish people.”
It’s no wonder why your a paranoid conspiracy nut, you don’t know what you’re talking about. The JNF only controls 13% of the land. That’s a glaringly wrong statement to start off your theory.
“Yet in Israel racial and sexual discrimination are practiced with nary a protest from the world’s media.”
If you would get your nose out of David Duck.com and actually read the world’s media, you’d know that the media widely reported years ago Israel’s attorney general ruled that the JNF’s policy was discriminatory.
“Under Israeli law a woman may not obtain a divorce without her husband’s consent. It is called “giving her the get”.”
You really have to stop writing about matters you haven’t a clue about. You don’t understand American law - i.e. the difference between leasing the world trade center and owning it - and Israel is even more complicated. A Get is a religious document from a religious court not an Israeli civil law court - in fact it’s the same standard for religious jews to get a GEt in the US, Israel and Europe - civil courts can’t help you.
“A woman in Israel cannot make the decision to have an abortion on her own. She must apply to a State Board, which then makes the determination based on the woman’s financial capacity to care for the child, the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate, etc.”
That is plainly wrong (again - surprise) Under Israel’s law of Interruption of Pregnancy, abortions are permitted if the pregnancy causes physical or mental harm, if the woman was under age or overage, if the pregnancy resulted from a sexual offense, if the child was likely to have a malformation, or difficult social circumstances.
“In short, the decision is one of state policy, not the woman’s convenience.”
You forgot to add that in the US, there are similar laws regulating abortions, and in the US too, it’s one of “state policy, not the woman’s convenience.”
Good to know you are in the “Free to Choose” camp though!
I love it when you show your complete lack of knowledge on subjects. it reassures me that your hitler admiration and racial and jew hatred is the product of stupidity - which means there is hope for others.
Dangumit Wilbur!
I never raised no liberal abortion supporter! Reading all them nazi websites have gotten ye soft in the head boy!
Git yer sorry hide home now and start studying fer that GED thingy or I’m gonna nail yer hide to the wall. I’m warning you if you fail agin…
btw wilbur y’all never answered my question:
what is the nutjob’s version of T4 - “technilogically impossible” or mere jew hoax to steal money for jews to steal arab land?
“He made this testimony based upon his own personal experience with the use of Leuchter’s equipment. Do a little research into basic facts, Fangfuck.”
How about you do a little basic research. Tell me when the last person was executed by gas in Missouri. Tell me if Missouri currently has a gas chamber. Tell me if Leuchter’s gas chamber was ever built.
I’ll make it easy for you.
1 = “The last execution in Missouri by means of lethal gas was that of Lloyd Leo Anderson on 26 January 1965 for the murder of a 15 year old delivery boy during a robbery in a St. Louis drugstore.”
2 = No.
3 = No.
Have any idea why Leuchter’s gas chamber was never built?
WE SEE NO GOOD IN THIS SCHEME
The Vatican and Zionism: Conflict in the Holy Land, 1895-1925 is an informative study of Catholic opposition to Zionist plans to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The Vatican’s opposition was two-fold: to the creation of the Zionist state itself and concern for the holy sites of Christendom if they were seen to fall into the hands of infidel Jews. The latter problem was to have been decided by an international commission as stipulated at the San Remo conference in 1920. However, the international commission never came into existence for a variety of reasons. Rivalry between the various Catholic countries of Europe, particularly Italy and France, problems of conflicting authority between the proposed commission and the British Mandate authorities, Protestant-Catholic-Orthodox disputes and a host of other problems made it impossible to agree on such a commission. Ultimately the problem of protecting the holy shrines of Christianity devolved upon the British High Commissioner for Palestine.
By far the most interesting section of the book deals with the Vatican’s profound opposition to Zionism as an ideology. The Church’s position on the incipient Zionist theft of the Holy Land was first stated by the Vatican Secretary of State, Rafael Cardinal Merry de Val, in his interview with Herzl on January 22, 1904.
“The Cardinal: I do not quite see how we can take any initiative in this matter. As long as the Jews deny the divinity of
Christ, we certainly cannot make a declaration in their favor. Not that we have any ill will toward them. On the contrary,
The Church has always protected them. To us they are the indispensable witnesses to the phenomenon of God’s term
On earth. But they deny the divine nature of Christ. How then can we, without abandoning our own highest principles,
Agree to their being given possession of the Holy Land again?” (Emphasis added)
The Vatican position remained essentially the same until Nahum Sokolow’s audience with Pope Benedict XV on May 4, 1917. Although Sokolow spoke nebulously, (as was then the habit) of a Jewish “national home”, not a Jewish national state, the Pope closed the interview with ambiguous words which the Zionists took as a stamp of approval of their political ambitions. “We shall be good neighbors.” It is probable that the Pope was thinking of the 1916 Sykes-Picot treaty which originally envisaged Palestine divided into several regions, the central one of which was to be internationalized and in which the Vatican would surely have some influence. According to one Zionist author:
“The Pope’s assurances of good neighborliness to Sokolow must therefore be read not in the spiritual but the
geographical context.”
In any event it soon became apparent that virtually every Catholic prelate in Palestine or with any knowledge of the developing situation was vehemently anti-Zionist. Filipo Cardinal Giustini who visited Palestine in October 1919 held views very similar to those of the Custos Frederic Diotallevi who:
“…is clearly opposed to Zionism, and stress that the Christians are of one mind with the Moslems in this deep hos-
tility, and are even now prepared to slaughter the Jews. In his opinion, Zionism is only a pretext for establishing
Jewish rule at the gates of Europe, for the absolute benefit of the Jews, who are already all-powerful in the old
Continent (Europe) and the new (America).” (Emphasis added)
Like the Italian Cardinal Giustini the French Cardinal Dubois also saw great evil in Zionism:
“The Jewish home the British wish to found is a dangerous step and is full of threats for the future.”
(Emphasis added)
Dubois warned of a civil war and the dangers of Pan-Islamism. The French Catholic newspaper La Croix was very prophetic on the danger facing the Arabs. Writes Minerbi:
“According to this paper, non-Jewish natives of the Holy Land would be no more than strangers, more or less tolerated
at first, but afterward oppressed, tortured and robbed with each new wave of Jewish immigration.”
(Emphasis added)
The Englishman Francis Cardinal Bourne visited Palestine between December 1918 and March 1919. He echoed the views of his compatriots. In January 1919 he sent a revealing telegram to the British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary (Lloyd George and Balfour):
“The Zionists here claim that the Jews are to have the domination of the Holy Land under a British protectorate. In
Other words, they are going to force their rule on an unwilling population of whom they form only 10%.
(Emphasis added)
When I first visited it (the Holy Land) in 1919, the situation was distinctly menacing. There was a tendency on the part of
Certain immigrant Jews to claim and assert domination in no way in harmony with the Balfour Declaration. This nat-
urally aroused a fierce resistance on the part of the indigenous native Arab population, both Moslem and Christian.
Men of every class come to see me with a loud and emphatic protest against Mr. Balfour’s promises and against the projects.
of the Zionists…These projects went far beyond the mere establishment of a home for nationless Jews…”
(Emphasis added)
A claim repeated over and over again in the Catholic commentaries of the time is the charge that the Zionists and the Communists were one and the same. For instance, Cardinal Gasparri, the Vatican Secretary of State in December 1918 told the Belgian representative to the Holy See:
“There is talk of a Jewish state. I do not believe that the big Jewish bankers of England and of the United States will be
so unaware of the opinions of many of their faith as to support this plan. Do we not see the Jews at the head of the
revolutionary movements in Russia and Poland?” (Emphasis added)
Nor were such opinions those of the Vatican alone. Such views were also very common in the foreign offices of all European countries. An English diplomat for example, wrote:
“This is only the sorrowful beginning of our troubles in Palestine, once we are with the mandate, and I share the Pope’s
anxiety regarding the most extreme intentions of the Zionists. He must be thinking of something more vague and frightening
than merely earthly aspirations.; he forsees a spiritual campaign against Christianity. Is the anti-Christ not a Jew according
to Roman tradition? Judaism, under the cover of Bolshevism, already destroyed the Orthodox Church, could Bolshevism
not do the same to Rome?” (Emphasis added)
It is important to realize that all of these observers were writing in the same period as the appearance of the mysterious Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion which were receiving massive publicity in the English newspapers of the time. In assessing the controversy Osservatore Romano, the newspaper of the Vatican, commented as follows. Although questioning the authenticity of the book the paper concluded that the plan the book described was real and that the Jewish Bolshevik leaders in Russia were actually carrying out the plan. This analysis was essentially the same as that of Henry Ford and other commentators on the Protocols. The Vatican position on the dangers and probable development of Zionism was very percipient and has been abundantly confirmed by subsequent events. An excellent summary of the essential case against Zionism was attributed to Cardinal Gasparri.
(1) The Zionists are not religious and are even anti-religious, and therefore Zionism cannot be regarded as the fulfillment of prophecy. Zionism has no connection with the promised return of the Jews to the Holy Land.
(2) Zionist immigration will sweep the Christians out of Palestine and destroy its Christian character.
(3) The possibility that a Jewish government might be formed was intolerable.
The Vatican position was further outlined on June 23, 1921 in an analysis by C. Crispolti in Osservatore Romano. Per Sergio Minerbi’s summation:
In 1917, when the Balfour Declaration was issued, France and Italy were not concerned with the future of Palestine. The Latins
did not then understand the danger that one enemy of Christianity would be replaced by another, more real and greater than the
traditional enemy: Judaism. The British government, which was controlled by the Jewish international, altered the term ‘national home’
and consented to establish a Jewish national center…Crispolti went on to say that a minority should not rule over the majority
and that the riots (the riots of 1920 and 1921) should be seen against this background…The Latin nations must insist on revisions
in the draft submitted by Britain, for otherwise the Holy Land would be lost to Christians, and an attempt would be made, with the
Great Powers consent, to erase two thousand years of (Christian) history and to place a new and heavier burden on the land of Jesus.”
(Emphasis added)
As many observers have noted the arguments of the Catholic Church paralleled in many respects the arguments of the Palestinian Arabs (a significant number of whom were Christians, both Greek Orthodox and Catholic). This was a simple recognition of the justice of the situation, not any residual preference for the Ottoman Turks transferred to the Palestinians. The Vatican saw no reason why an Arab population of many centuries standing should be dispossessed to please a swarm of Christ killers with pronounced pro-communist sympathies. The papal position also received a respectful hearing in the London Times whose chief proprietor was Lord Northcliffe. The partiality of the Times to anti-Zionism was bitterly noted by Baron Alfredo Porcelli, a renegade Catholic who supported Zionism. In a letter to Chaim Weizmann, Porcelli warned:
“Beware of the Times, and other Northcliffe papers. They have sent a special ‘commissioner’ (one of their own staff) to Palestine, and
are publishing a series of articles on ‘The truth about Palestine’…You will find that Zionism will fare badly at his hands – for Rome has a finger in that pie, as in all Northcliffe papers.” (Emphasis added)
The Vatican did not, of course, succeed in its opposition to Zionism. But until very recently the Vatican refused to either recognize the Zionist state or to establish diplomatic relations with it. This principled position, maintained for approximately nine decades, contrasts very favorably with the craven surrender in 1948 by a U.S. president who, by his own admission, had to answer to far more Zionist Jews for his re-election prospects than he did to dispossessed Arabs in a far off little land.
The Vatican and Zionism: Conflict in the Holy Land, 1895-1925
By Sergio Minerbi, Oxford University Press, Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Israel
See attatched Ronnie, you lying little shit.
For Ronnie Dipshit and Lying Fangfuck:
Here is a lengthy quotation from the State University of New York title by Yael Yishai, “Behind The Banner and the Flag”, published in 1997, from pp. 186-187.
“The Marriage and Divorce Law, enacted in 1953, made men and women unequal before the law. Although the Women’s Equal Rights Law, passed two years earlier in 1951, entitled women to complete legal equality, the 1953 law explicitly excluded matters of personal status, namely, all issues relating to ‘prohibition and permission to marry and divorce.’ The fact that these matters became the exclusive domain of religious jurisdiction has had an adverse effect on women, as the Halakha (Jewish religious law), does not treat men and women as equal human beings. Under the Halakha, the man predominates, having rights superior to those of a woman. Women are described as prattles, irresponsible, light minded, and frivolous. When a woman is praised, she is described as a good homemaker, and a devoted motherr (of sons!) Every morning at prayer the orthodox Jew thanks God for not creating him as a woman. The following illustrates the unequal status of women in religious tradition: Only men are counted for the minyan (the quorum necessary for prayer); a woman cannot be a member of a rabbinical court, nor can she testify before this court; a woman is not expected to speak at all in public. These measures of inequality do not reflect the original intentions of the religious authorities. For the era in which it is promulgated, religiouslaw exhibited a considerably advanced sensitivity to the need to protect women against male exploiutation of their property during marriage or loss of it upon divorce (Raday 1991a, 19). Furthermore, Jewish religion does not prohibit divorce; a divorcee and a widow are allowed , even encouraged, to remarry. In the tenth century a ruling was issued forbidding (Ashkenazi) men to marry more than one wife. Throughout the ages there have been ups and downs in Jewish women’s status. All in all, however, the Jewish woman’s position in the family, as defined by religious precepts, has considerably deteriorated.
Inequality is evident at the very start of the marriage ceremony. The basic concept of the marriage is “purchase” of the woman by the husband, who takes her as his wife in a unilateral ceremony. A Jewish woman cannot receive a divorce without the consent of her husband, even if she is battered or her husband is missing or insane. Until the husband declares that he is willing to divorce his wife, there is no way in which she may be released from the marriage bond. While a man cannot divotce his wife without her consent either, there are special conditions under which men can remarry, or take a second wife. Religious courts discriminate against women in other ways as well. For example, a man can commit adultery and eventually marry his lover, while a married woman is forbidden ever to marry her lover, and any children born from an extramarital arelationship are considered bastards (mamzerin). In Judaism a bastard is a pariah. He or she cannot marry unless the potential spouse is also a bastard. Neither can a bastard in Israel marry out of the faith as the exlusive control of marriage by the religious authorities precludes such a possibility. Another infringement on women’s rights caused by the religious law is the levirate marriage: a woman whose husband dies leaving her childless must be released from her deceased husband’s unmarried brother in a ceremony carried out in rabbinical court. Often extortion payments may be involved before she gets her release. (Swirski and Safir 1991, 14). Widows of war casualties, often childless young women, have occasionally become trapped in this bizzare situation. Inequality has been inscribed in both tradition and in legal regulations…”
Let’s analyze this information carefully. Marriage in Israel is exclusively a religious affair. The civil authorities have nothing to do with it. As the Wikipedia piece shows, there is a State Board which does make the ultimate decision as to whether a Jewess may have an abortion. Ron, a Donald Duck brain if ever there were one, is flatly wrong on that point. The centuries old Jewish religious tradition is that women are intellectually frivolous creatures, not to be taken seriously. Unlike in the United States, where children born out of wedlock are considered no different from children born within wedlock, bastards in Israel are second class citizens. No one in the Unired States would dare to suggest that the wife of an American serviceman killed in Iraq should not be permitted to remarry, just because she happened to be childless at the time. Nor would she have to offer herself in marriage to the brother of her deceased husband. But in “democratic” Israel, she would. A wife would be free to marry her lover in adultery after divorce, but not in “democratic” Israel.
Ronnie Boy wants to argue about the percentage of land under the control of the JNF in Israel, 90% 0r 13%. But that isn’t the point, Ronnie Lie Shit. The point is: If there were a White National Fund in the US applying the same standards to non-whites that the JNF applies to non-Jews in Israel, trained monkeys like Ronnie Lie-Shit and Fangfuck Dumb Ass would be jumping up and down and screaming about “discrimination”. It is true that the law evolves in Israel as it does everywhere else. The JNF did have its discriminatory “Jews first” policy ruled unconstitutional and it is true that various pressures are now applied on husbands to give their wives “the get”. None of this, however, gets around the real point: (and we all know how Ronnie Lie-Shit and Dumb Ass Fangfuck hate the real point.) The point is that Jews are tolerating and condoning in Israel the very things they condemn in the US. They black out this knowledge the same way trhey black out all knowledge of Jewish commissars while they scream about fake “gas chambers”.
That is the point, the whole point and nothing but the point. And Fangfuck Dumb Ass and Ronnie Lie-Shit both KNOW IT.
I’ll get around to the Missouri penitention warden’s testimony later, Fangfuck Dumb Ass. I just love to warch you stick your face in the toilet.
Where is that ivory tower piece of shit, Joseph Welch?
It gets so boring dealing with lame brains like Fangfuck Dumb Ass and Ronnie Lie Shit.
Grandpa Thames
Still waiting for your list of western intelligence agencies that believe the jews are behind 911.
I’ve given you a few days now, but am still waiting. …….
Otherwise you are just claiming things that you cannot back up. I would believe if you could just back up your claims with some evidence.
Go on then I will make it easier for you, lets say you just demonstrate that 5 intelligence agencies believe the jews were behind 911, rather than all western intelligence agencies, as you falsely claimed.
Wilbur
That’s a great link to wikipedia about abortion in Israel, and it flatly contradicts you.
Wikipedia list 4 reasons allowing a legal abortion in Israel:
1, The woman is younger than seventeen (the legal marriage age in Israel) or older than forty.
2. The pregnancy was conceived under illegal circumstances.
3. The fetus may have a physical or mental birth defect.
4. Continued pregnancy may put the woman’s life in risk, or damage her physically or mentally.”
The factors you listed:
“the woman’s financial capacity to care for the child, the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate, etc”
…don’t appear in Israeli law - you invented it! You’re a complete fraud. You’re making up facts. It’s little wonder you are such a mindless jew hater: you’re an idiot.
Wilbur
Mazel tov in defeating you own point.
“The point is: If there were a White National Fund applying the same standards to non-whites that the JNF applies to non-Jews, trained monkeys like Ronnie would be screaming about “discrimination”.
I would scream discrimination - and applying the same exact standard in Israel and everywhere else - “the law evolves in Israel as it does everywhere else,” and the JNF policy was “ruled unconstitutional.”
Hurray for the jews for consistent standards hurray!
Hey bonehead, nice job proving exactly why your argument - “that there is one standard for Israel and a different standard for everyone else” - is wrong.
I’m officially dubbing you “honorary jew” for disproving mindless jew hatred arguments.
Mazel tov!
Hey Wilbur:
“Ronnie Boy wants to argue about the percentage of land under the control of the JNF in Israel, 90% 0r 13%”
You made up a “fact” that “[t]he JNF holds the majority of the land in trust for the entire Jewish people.” You, like all holocaust deniers, make up facts all the time because reality flatly contradicts you.
I don’t blame you for being a confused, armageddon conspiracy theorist mindless jewhater, it’s the result of your ignorance. What I blame you for is your dishonesty - a dishonesty that results from your mental illness.
btw I don’t argue with you, I just enjoy pointing out your “points” are the product of historical, scientific, legal, business, religious and political mistakes.
So about all that support for the idea that Leuchter was a expert of some renown. Seems like the score is 1 to 2 in that trial you said you were going to dig up. I didn’t find any evidence that he built a gas chamber for anyone. Certainly not for Missouri. They use lethal injection, and Leuchter’s injection machines were condemned for inhumane treatment of prisoners.
Q: And what is your relationship with the operation of those
facilities [i.e. gas chambers] in those two States [California
and North Carolina]?
(Leuchter)A: We consulted with both States, California primarily on a heart
monitoring system to replace the older type mechanical diagraph
stethoscope that’s presently in use. We will be shipping to them
shortly and installing a new heart monitor for both chairs in
their gas chamber.
Q: You are consulted by the State, I understand?
(Leuchter)A: Yes, Juan Vasquez.
Q: I see. And in North Carolina?
(Leuchter) A: North Carolina. My discussions and work was with one Nathan
Reise, and he had some work done by their maintenance personnel on
their gas chamber two years ago, and they had a problem with the
gasket on a door leaking. At which point, we discussed it with
him and recommended remedial procedures to change the gas chamber.
Q: And he consults you in regard to those matters?
(Leuchter) A: He does.
“I can inform you, however, that San Quentin has not contracted
with Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. for the installation of a heart
monitoring system or for any other work.” Signed: DANIEL B.
Vasquez, Warden (California)
“I discussed your request with Mr. Nathan A. RICE, Former
Warden, and he stated that he vaguely recalled a telephone
conversation between him and a gentleman professing to be an
expert on execution chambers. Mr. Rice further states that the
gentleman called him for the purpose of selling a lethal injection
machine…
Also, our records do not support that Mr. Leuchter performed
either consulting or any service…I can attest that the planning
and work was performed by the Department of Correction Engineering
Section and our institution maintenance department.” Signed: Gary
T. Dixon, Warden (North Carolina)
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#ftn302
For Fangfuck and Ronnie Shit-For-Brain:
You will note in Germar Rudolf’s highly informed discussion that J.C. Pressac admits that of all Zyklon B shipped to Auschwitz that only 2.5% of same was used for “gassing” purposes, the other 97.5% being used for delousing. Also, according to those unimpeachable “eyewitnesses”, 4-5 kilograms of the lethal Zyklon B was poured into the magic chambers at each “gassing”. At that rate of consumption, the entire 2.5 % would have been exhausted long before the claimed number of victims was reached.
Figure it out,
FUCKHEADS.
Ronnie Lie-Shit:
The Wikipedia article clearly states that A State Board determines the permissibility of an abortion. You were flatly wrong, as always. Take the rest of the bilge and blow it out your asshole - where the rest of your “reasoning” comes from.
So now you’re in agreement that gas was used to kill Jews?
Well, that’s progress anyway.
Or are you stupid enough to try to have it both ways?
Total silence on the Yael Yishai quotation.
It is only to be expected from professional liars who yap about “facts” - the facts they do not know.
Jesus Christ,
Are you completely unwilling to admit you are wrong? Must I read and respond to each and every word of your drivel before you’ll cede that you’re verbal diarrhea is in it’s majority nothing but shit?
Wilburrrrr,
I’ve figured it out. You’re a complete idiot, who can’t even quote your own miserable sources. You’re really pathetic.
You said:
“Pressac admits that of all Zyklon B shipped to Auschwitz that only 2.5% of same was used for “gassing” purposes…”
Pressac didn’t say “2.5%” was used you bonehead. Rudolf quotes Pressac as saying:
“not 2 - 5% of this was used for killings.”
How the hell can you get your own source wrong? Just how stupid are you?
When you’re talking about zyklon b, a poison of which 1 kg tin could murder of 500 people, you cannot make your radio islam david duck.com mistakes. In 1943, Auschwitz had almost 2 tons of zyklon b, above the amount needed for zyklon b’s legitimate uses, just for murder. Besides, Rudolf’s own website didn’t include figures for 1944 through1945.
Given how idiotic your “freethinking” is on matters of geography “transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea,” history “the first income tax came after WW1,” politics “Johnson gave up the powerful senate whip for the go-nowhere vice presidency” business (owning v. leasing the world trade center) one would think you would be too humiliated to write further.
Guess not.
http://www.zundelsite.org/jews-under-stalin/index.html
No Jewish commissars, right?
P.S. I never said a thing about state boards, why do you keep harping on about state boards? You were babbling incoherently about Israeli abortion law requiring:
“the woman’s financial capacity to care for the child, the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate, etc”
That’s not the standard under Israeli law - you just made it up. You invent facts all the time to come to ridiculous conclusions. The Wiki article correctly notes the standard:
1, The woman is younger than seventeen (the legal marriage age in Israel) or older than forty.
2. The pregnancy was conceived under illegal circumstances.
3. The fetus may have a physical or mental birth defect.
4. pregnancy may put the woman’s life in risk, or damage her physically or mentally.”
Nice to see you’re ‘pro-choice’ though. Maybe there’s hope for you?
Gentlemen:
The shit is all out of your lying mouths. Deal with it.
I am wrong about nothing. It has been conclusively established that:
(1) There were no “gas chambers”;
(2) that six million Jews did not die;
(3) that Jews did create communism and controlled it for forty years after the revolution;
(4) that 09/11 was an inside job by the Israel First lobby;
(5) that counterknowledge.com is merely a disinformation site by college punks too stupid to tie their own shoelaces.
Ronnie Lie-Shit:
I invent nothing.
If you read “Behind The Banner and Tthe Flag (I have; you haven’t), you will discover that in the legislative debates prior to the passage of the abortion law, that one of the main points brought up in opposition to the law (particularly by some female opponents of the law) was that it would lower the demographics of the Jewish popultion. It was a concern iterated, again and again. I believe it is standard legal procedure to consider the intent behind a statute.
As usual, you make incorrect assumptions regarding my beliefs. I am not “pro-choice”. (Actually, the proper term is “pro-death”. Death is the antonym of life, not “choice”. A little point you are surely too stupid to pick up on.) If you want an education on what Jewish teaching really is on abortion, read David M. Feldman on the subject.
I could educate you all day long and it would do no good. You are an up-to-date-shit-for-brain and know nothing on any subject. You never will.
“(1) There were no “gas chambers”;”
You just fucking stated that 2.5% of the Zyclon B ordered, was used to kill Jews.
You deal with that.
Wilbur,
“that counterknowledge.com is merely a disinformation site by college punks too stupid to tie their own shoelaces”
Heheh and read by numbskulls like you who think “transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” that “the JNF owns a majority of the land of Israel” that hezl wrote about the “jewish problem” and that the vice presidency of the US is a “go-nowhere” position.
btw I was joking about you being pro-choice, relying on your earlier (and as always incorrect) complaint about women’s rights in Israel due to Israel’s limits on abortion.
Of course you’d be too dumb to figure that out. Laces tied or do ya need help there wilbur?
Wilbur,
Are you a homosexual?
“Total silence on the Yael Yishai quotation” -Wilbur
“Behind The Banner and the Flag”, published in 1997, from pp. 186-187.” - Wilbur
“If you read “Behind The Banner and Tthe Flag (I have; you haven’t)” -Wilbur
First, you got the title badly wrong. How can you be so stupid? You can’t even write the title of the book correctly. You are asking me to comment on your quoting a book and you misquote the friggin title - what kind of idiot are you?
Second, you got the publication date wrong. How the hell is that even possible? Just look at the stupid book you moron.
Third, I take alot of jewish/israeli courses in college, and I’ve never heard of yael.
Fourth, why would any male, hitler loving, racist jew hater be reading an old, obscure book about jewish women by an israeli feminist studies professor?
Do you wear a dress, stockings and makeup when you’re reading obscure, old, feminist books by jewish women?
Mr Thames, the only thing that has been ‘conclusively established’ is that you are a deranged loser. And the best proof of that is to read your obsessive and repetitive rants.
Get a life, you demented, brownshirted oxygen thief.
Heheh Wilbur you knucklehead:
“Ronnie Lie-Shit: I invent nothing.”
You invented the following:
1) “The JNF holds the majority of the land in trust for the entire Jewish people.”
No it doesn’t you just invented your own figure. The JNF holds less than 13% of the land of Israel (as you later admit).
2) “A woman in Israel cannot make the decision to have an abortion … a State Board, … makes the determination based on the woman’s financial capacity to care for the child, the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate, etc.”
You invented your own standard for abortion in Israel. Your own source lists: (a) age, (b) illegal circumstances (c) birth defect and (d) woman’s life in risk as the factors. That’s your own source dummy!
3) “In the … Titanic disaster the court of inquiry determined that the big, bad iceberg did it. Ignored was the fact that the shipbuilders had deliberately supplied inadequate lifeboats”
You just invented that out of thin air. The Senate Commerce Committee in 1912 specifically found titanic had an inadequate number of lifeboats.
4) “Who carted away the steel beams before they could be examined forensically for tell-tale stress marks caused by planted charges?”
You just made up the fact that the steel beams from WTC were secreted away and weren’t investigated. The National Institute of Standards and Technology investigated the steel and made a report.
You live in an imaginary world you created in order to rationalize your peculiar armageddon conspiracy theories, racism and jew hatred.
“Total silence on the Yael Yishai quotation. It is only to be expected from professional liars who yap about “facts” - the facts they do not know.”
Hehe talk about liars who “yap about facts they do not know: here’s my answer on your “Yael Yishai quotation” you’re too dumb to even quote the name of the book right, moron.
Jeezus Wilbur
That danged jew boy is making you look perty stupid, and using yer own dumb hand to beat yerself. Y’all might want to start brushing up for that thar GED test thingamabob seeing that its a few months away and all.
“So now you’re in agreement that gas was used to kill Jews?”
Such a dullard.
Why don’t you deal with the multitude of cocks in your mouth, and quit trying to stuff words in John Thames’?
The gas chambers are a complete and utter hoax.
“Peer review” doesn’t matter if all of the gatekeepers continue to stymie information that upsets their applecarts. So…having said this, Germar Rudolf’s and Fred Leuchter’s examinations have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the gas chamber stories are complete fabrications.
Same with the mass graves. Let’s break up that “memorial concrete” and let’s get some forensic testing going…what? We CAN’T?!?
I found Jon posting on another page as Andrew Jackson. You can see how well recieved he is there too:
“Andrew Jackson, I think you are a troll. No one can be that dumb.”
Time to add another conspiracy on Jon’s plate. Dreaded feminism!
http://www.palatinate.org.uk/comment/comment-articles/if-feminists-want-full-equality-for-men-and-women-let-them-have-it/
Ha No Ver
“Let’s break up that “memorial concrete” and let’s get some forensic testing going…what? We CAN’T?!?”
The Polish authorities completed a thorough study of the cyanide compounds content in the walls of the gas chambers at AB. Try reading it.
Or better yet, watch some of the documentaries and interviews of former concentration camp guards (some who have already served their sentences) in which they describe in detail the uses of gas chambers, shootings and mass graves at AB and Reinhard camps.
Dammit man, you got a 91 on a test once, you’re better than a holocaust denier! You got potential kiddo.
Prussian blue is the telltale trace…there was less than was present in the delousing chambers.
Get outta here with this crap - keep trying to convince your fellow cock-smokers, but don’t bother trying that crap with me.
I’m a REVISIONIST. If 2.5 million was reduced from the “total”, then the final tally CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SIX MILLION, right?
Ha No Ver
There should be less gas residue in a gas chamber than a delousing chamber because you need far less zyklon b to kill humans than to kill insects.
I don’t follow your math. 2.5m reduced from what total?
Here is an American intelligence official who thinks I.m right.
http://www.therebel.org/video/terror/major_general_%27bert%27_n._stubblebine_iii,_head_of_military_intelligence,_says:_%279-11_an_inside_job%27_2009070610536/
Fangbeer,
That guy john thames/wilbur sensor/andrew jackson is one strange guy. That is definitely him commenting about the jews and commies and feminism on the palatinate website.
I don’t know what is the more appalling, that he trolls around all these websites spewing disinformation, or that he repeats the disinformation he knows has already been disproved to an uninitiated audience?
Ronnie Boy:
You have proven over and over again that you asren’t too bright.
But let me try to help you.
Pressace admits in his book, “Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers”, that over 97% of all the Zyklon B used at the camp was used for delousing purposes. That leaves 3% or less to be used for homicidal “gassings”. Yet the witnesses say that 2-4 kilograms of Zyklon B were used per gassing. At that rate of consumption testified to by those witnesses who never lie, the 3% Zyklon B total would have been exhausted long before the claimed number of victims was reached. It is merely one of innumerable inconsistencies in the story that demonstrates that it is all nonsense.
To Fangfuck:
Yes, I did post the item on feminism on the Palatinate site. I did not receive any rebuttal to the irrefutable logic, either by you or anyone else. Care to disprove Betty’s communist background, Fangfuck? As to my “turn it around logic”, I’ll bet you have nothing to say on that either.
Hanover:
Welcome back. I appreciate having something sensible to read. These idiots are such a bore.
Heheh hey Wilbur I like this Albert N. Stubblebine III guy!
I’m sure he does support you. And who better to unmask an evil plot from our nefarious jewish overlords than the founder of Psi-Tech, creators of Remote Viewing.
Did you know Subblebine has the ability to see things in the future? Well, he does!
“About two months before the fires actually occurred in the Middle East, before Hussein actually set fire to the oil wells. I had seen an incredibly dramatic image; and it was of a huge fire …I concluded that is was a forest fire, OK . . . [t]he minute those pictures [from Kuwait] came on TV I knew instantaneously that that’s what I had seen.” Awesome!
Not only can he see into the future, but he can see into Mars, and I mean INTO Mars:
“I will tell you for the record that there are structures underneath the surface of Mars.”
I know what you’re thinking, “big deal he can see under the surface of Mars, but has he ever used his psychic abilities to see into UFOs?”
Duh, “as far as the UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they can be tracked, we have looked at the propulsion system for them, that’s not a hard job, you can track them back to where they come from . . . and you can take a look inside as well as outside, so again it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO research.”
All I can say is wow! I could go on, but for some strange reason Subblebine III didn’t want to let out any more of his psychic powers - he runs a for profit company and obviously wants to prevent loss of profits and thought he’d better: “turn that tape back there because I am not sure that I want any of this on tape.”
I’m sure he doesn’t.
So President Jackson *snickers*
“That leaves 3% or less to be used for homicidal “gassings.”
Given how easily a small dosage of zyklon b kills humans, 3% sounds like alot.
Hey, Yael Yishai demolishes your theory about divorce in Israel in one sentence. Given that you claimed to have read” “Behind The Banner and Tthe Flag, what do you make of the first sentece on page 179?
http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm
Just in case you nitwits have a collective aneurysm…
Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals ‘Gas Chamber’ Hoax
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that ‘Krema 1,’ the alleged ‘homicidal gas chamber’ shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union - apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as ‘homicidal gas chambers’ at Auschwitz.
Oh, I’ll bet that’ll sting.
“Prussian blue is the telltale trace…”
Keep repeating that until you’re Prussian blue in the face. It won’t make it true, but we’ll all get a good laugh.
“It is merely one of innumerable inconsistencies”
You’re whole argument is one inconsistent mess. You can’t claim that no gas chambers existed, while simultaneously agreeing that Zyclon B was used in gas chambers. You need to make a choice. One or the other.
http://199.238.153.201/archive_english/world_war2/OperationBarbarossa.html
More historical fables revealed.
Ha No Ver
Eeek that stings, ooo I’m having a aneurysm!
As always, holocaust deniers are sloppy, and full of mistakes.
First, Dr. Piper is not “the senior curator and director of the archives of the Auschwitz State Museum.” He is the chief historian of the AB State Museum.
Second, he did not “admit” that the gas chambers were”in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union - apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin” What he said was:
In May 1944 Krema I in the base camp at AB, which is what you see when you visit the base camp Auschwitz, was adapted for use as an air raid shelter by the SS.
Third, Dr. Piper says the opposite of what you claim:
“There is an undisputable reality that the gas chamber in question [Krema I] is housed in the same building which has existed from prewar times till now. The Nazi murderers used gas chambers for mass annihilation has been proved by thousands of memoires and depositions of eyewitnesses as well as by German official documents and plans.”
The AB complex is huge, and Auschwitz was converted to a museum. The polish government condensed the history of the entire complex into one small part of Auschwitz. Krema I was reconstructed using original parts for demonstrative purposes.
Fourth, he thinks the Leuchter Report is bogus like all credible academics, historians and judges who’ve examined it.
Fangfuck:
You claim to refute revisionist arguments without even knowing what they are. You write: “You can’t claim that no gas chambers existed, while simultaneously agreeing that Zyklon B was used in gas chambers.” The hell I can’t, you idiot. The presence of minute traces is easily explained. It arises, not from the allegedly minute amounts of poison gas allegedly used to gas people, but from the fact that the Germans did delouse and disinfect the morgues (which is what the “gas chamber” rooms really were), just like they deloused barracks and clothing. Rooms for storing dead bodies before they can be cremated are unsanitary places, jerk.
Thus, you think you have uncovered a devastating logical inconsistency when all you have really demonstrated is that you haven’t read revisionist research.
FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAIN JACKASS
Ron:
You asked for names of intelligence officials who don’t believe the 09/11 story and I gave you a very convincing one. I guess he doesn’t qualify because he isn’t European. Such are the idiotic distinctions of idiotic minds.
Hanover:
You are quite correct about Piper and the Crematory oven at Auschwitz One. More admissions against interest that our imbecilic adversaries cannot cope with. Thanks for pointing it out.
Ronnie Lie Shit:
The “gas chamber” at Auschwitz One referenced by Piper is a reconstruction - but not based on any original plans - for there are no orginal plans for any execution “gas chamber”. There are only construction plans for morgues and crematory ovens.
All kinds of orders for the use of Zyklon B as a delousing agent exist - there are no orders for the use of Zyklon B as a killing agent. As to your claim that only 3% of the total Zyklon B used at the camp could have killed the 10,000 a day allegedly “gassed” per Raoul Hilberg, well, anything you say, Ronnie Lie Shit.
Wilburrrrr
You asked for names of intelligence officials who don’t believe the 09/11 story and I gave you a very convincing one.
First, I never asked you for the names of anyone.
Second, I think Stubblebine is a great source.
Stubblebine has used his psychic powers to (a) see into the future, (b) examine the alien structures underneath the surface of Mars and (b) study the propulsion systems of UFO spaceships. Stubblebine is MORE than qualified to expose our jewish overlords and their 911 hoax!
Hey Wilbur you should take his course he can’t be any loonier than you!
http://www.psitech.net/training.htm#trvuniversity
I want full details!
I did ask you what Yael Yishai says in the first sentence on page 179 of the book you read “Behind The Banner and Tthe Flag”
What does the first sentence say?
“there are no orginal plans for any execution “gas chamber”. There are only construction plans for morgues and crematory ovens”
You are mistaken, of course. Go to youtube and watch the BBC documentary called Blueprints of Genocide.
Han, No one disputes that some of the buildings the Germans blew up were reconstructed in order to turn the place into a memorial. Hell, lots of buildings were reconstructed after the war. Did Warsaw Poland not exist prior to the war because most of it had to be rebuilt afterwards?
Your interview is in no way confirmation of Leuchter’s report.
Jon, your Tourette syndrome is getting worse. You should take your medication.
“The presence of minute traces is easily explained. It arises, not from the allegedly minute amounts of poison gas allegedly used to gas people, but from the fact that the Germans did delouse and disinfect the morgues (which is what the “gas chamber” rooms really were), just like they deloused barracks and clothing.”
You should read your own revisionist documentation. No CN traces were found in negative control areas like barracks or administration buildings. You seem to agree that these areas most certainly were fumigated using Zyclon B, so clearly routine fumigation does not explain how CN traces were found in each of the Krema areas.
In order to leave detectable traces you need to account for higher concentrations of HCN than were needed for routine fumigation.
Wilbur,
Your dishonest approach to quoting and paraphrasing people is bothersome:
“As to your claim that only 3% of the total Zyklon B used at the camp could have killed the 10,000 a day allegedly “gassed” per Raoul Hilberg”
Who the hell is Raoul Hilberg? Where did you get all this from? How can you make up an entire argument out of thin air? All I said was “Given how easily a small dosage of zyklon b kills humans, 3% sounds like alot”
You imagined the rest in your little mind. I just posted the stupid thing a couple of hours ago, how the hell could you get it so wrong so quick? It’s as if you think “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” or the WTC’s steel beams were “carted away … before they could be examined forensically for tell-tale stress marks caused by planted charges.”
Then you call me “Ronnie Lie-Shit” (that’s a particularly intelligent insult btw) You are a bonehead.
It is time for back to basics.
This discussion is getting so bogged down in details that it is time to step back and review the big picture. The relevant facts are these:
(1) There is no German order anywhere demanding an extermination of the Jews;
(2) There was no German program set up for exterminating the Jews (Operation Reinhardt was a strip the Jews of their property program, not an extermination program);
(3) No one prepared a budget or lines of authority for exterminating Jews;
(4) No one has been able to come up with six million dead Jewish bodies (claims that the Germans destroyed all the remains are simply fantasies);
(5) All the evidence for the purported extermination came from a kangaroo court at Nuremberg run by Jews behind the scenes.
When it comes to the camps, we find the following problems:
(1) No one performed any forensic examinations of the bodies for trial to see if they died of hydrogen cyanide (the one such examination that was done by American pathologist Charles D. Larsen found not one case of death by poison gassing; his report on thousands of corpses was not introduced into evidence at the “trial”);
(2) No one performed any on-site inspections of the so-called “gas chambers”; the case rested entirely on testimonies riddled with contradictions and physical impossibilities;
(3) Key German records disproving the claims of “gassing” were not introduced at trial;
(4) Thousands of free Polish laborers and others were employed at the Auschwitz camp; they would have been able to report immediately about the “gassings” if such were actually occuring;
(5) Numerous underground intelligence groups operated out of the camps with radio transmitters during the war; none of them reported any extermination by “gassing” even though ten thousand a day were allegedly being murdered;
(6) The Auschwitz camp was buit in the middle of Polish farmland and densely populated villages; it would have been impossible to kill millions of people in the camp and keep it a secret;
(7) All subsequent investigations of the “gas chamber” buildings have demonstrated that these buildings were really morgues for disposing of bodies that died of disease; they have none of the design characteristics of real gas chambers;
(8) The disposal rate of the crematory ovens is consistent with the real numbers of death from disease;
(9) Aerial reconnaissance photos of the Auschwitz camp taken by the US Air Force during the height of the alleged exterminations in the summer of 1944 show no evidence of same;
(10) Huge numbers of non-exterminated Jews were dominating the Iron Curtain countries of Eastern Europe after the war;
(11) Millions of Jews were still alive in the USSR, in western Europe or emigrating to Palestine and the Americas after the war.
(12 The German records speak only of a desire to deport Jews out of Europe;
(13) The Germans issued orders to reduce the death rate in the labor camps at all costs.
These factors, and many others, demonstrate conclusively that the extermination story is a hoax. Confronted with these conclusive factors, the “Counterknowledge.com” disinformation crew can only take refuge in sophistries about the difference between killing insects and killing humans, the alleged non-stickability of HCN to “gas chamber” walls when it stuck everywhere else and every other bullshit argument they can think up. When confronted by the obvious, the self-evident and the conclusive, they can only foam at the mouth.
(3)
Ronnie Lie Shit, Ronnie Stupid Fuck And Dear Ronnie Dick Brain:
Raoul Hilberg, along with Gerard Reitlinger, is one of the premier Jewish authors on the alleged extermination of the Jews. His book was first published around 1958, I believe, and has gone into several editions since. If you don’t even know that, then you really should stop carping about minor errors regarding the Port of Aquaba. You have just confessed to an example of ignorance so profound that you really should do all of us a favor and depart from this discussion - as in NOW.
Mr Thames, let me put this to you simply, in words that even you can understand.
This site was not set up as part of a ‘care in the community’ programme to provide mentally incontinent, unemployed, retarded and lonely rejects from the far right with a substitute for a proper life. So, on behalf of myself and other members of the human race who post and comment here, can I invite you to fuck right off back into whatever nasty little sewer you live in, and stay there until you die - which hopefully won’t be too long?
Thank you.
Awww, Welchy…what’s wrong? Is poor ol’ Welchy getting his tuchis kicked by John Thames?
I see that you cannot counter his facts, so your answer contains nothing but an attack upon his person.
Typical.
In answer to Ron…”Who the hell is Raoul Hilberg?”
Oh, he’s just one of the recognized authorities in Holocau$t research. I guess if the facts don’t help you nitwits, all of the credentials don’t matter a frickin’ bit, eh?
What you wrote to John Thames goes for you as well.
‘Awww, Welchy…what’s wrong? Is poor ol’ Welchy getting his tuchis kicked by John Thames?’
Err, no he isn’t. He’s just fed up with neo-Nazi scum hijacking threads on this site. Freedom of speech does not mean having to tolerate utter wankers like Thames and yourself.
‘I see that you cannot counter his facts …’
He has no facts, only the kind of trash that went out of fashion when the publisher of ‘Der Sturmer’ got hanged.
’so your answer contains nothing but an attack upon his person’
As if his posts - and yours - aren’t anything more than a stream of ad hominem attacks and gutter abuse.
I would therefore like to extend my invitation from Mr Thames to yourself, and suggest that you crawl back into whatever foul-smelling hole you call your home. Or try and find some more rants you can post on that unread ‘blog’ of yours. Either way, I would like to offer you the same advice on this forum as I would offer to your face if I found you in your usual habit (namely, a crack-den or your mother’s bed) - FOAD.
Wilburrrrrrrrr,
“(1) No one performed any forensic examinations of the bodies for trial to see if they died of hydrogen cyanide (the one such examination that was done by American pathologist Charles D. Larsen found not one case of death by poison gassing; his report on thousands of corpses was not introduced into evidence at the “trial”)”
Putting aside the internal contradiction in your claim that no one performed forensic examinations, but that Dr. Larsen [sic] did do such an examination - a common feature of your babblings - you are absolutely wrong once again (surprise)
And of course the sloppy mistakes (as always) that its Dr. Charles P. Larson, not “Charles D. Larsen” (bonehead)
What Dr. Larson (one of the leading pathologists in medical history) actually found when he did a forensic pathological examinations of the was:
“prisoners were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a ’shower.’ Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they’d blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens.”
‘Crime Doctor’ McCallum & Larson, p. 61 (1978)
Oh and Wilburrrrrrrr
My point about Hillberg was that you invented some argument with me about him, and that I’d never mentioned him in talking about zyklon b - you just made up a fact.
It might help you to read what people say before you open your trap, that way you’d avoid saying obviously wrong things like: Larson didn’t find evidence of gassing, Transjordan lacks an outlet to the sea, the steel from WTC was not examined, Israel requires “capacity to care for the child” as a standard for abortions, and the Titanic investigation was “silent” about lifeboats.
Ha No Ver
You totally stung me! Ahhh I’m having an anuerism. I liked your website: 91sexposs.com (totally stings dude!)
“Ronnie Lie Shit, Ronnie Stupid Fuck And Dear Ronnie Dick Brain:”
Hehehe apparently my pointing out your pathetic lack of intelligence and juvenile mistakes are starting to get to you huh wilburrrrr?
Psst y’all better bone up for that GED test or yer pa is gonna tan yer hide I hear.
“This discussion is getting so bogged down in details”
Translation:
Damned those details! Since I can’t support my claims with anything other then innuendo and supposition, let me just throw them at the wall again and see what sticks this time.
“(12 The German records speak only of a desire to deport Jews out of Europe”
Just the opposite is true. On October 23, 1941, the chief of the Gestapo ordered all police agencies that it was now: “verbot der auswanderung von juden” [all Jewish emigration was forbidden].
The window of opportunity for jews to leave Europe shut.
“(7) All subsequent investigations of the “gas chamber” buildings have demonstrated that these buildings were really morgues for disposing of bodies that died of disease; they have none of the design characteristics of real gas chambers.”
This is demonstrably false. In 1994 the Institute for Forensic Research in Poland did a comprehensive examination of the gas chambers and found traces of hydrocyanic acid in all six structures it tested. The greatest concentration of gas was from Krema II.
A later examination by professor of architecture Robert Jan van Pelt of the blueprints of Krema 4 showed: three gas chambers (with stoves to pre-heat the rooms during the winter), a vestibule and fuel supply for the stoves in the gas chambers, the large morgue, and the cremation part with the sluice, the incineration room with the eight-muffle oven, the coke room and a small office.
The blueprints perfectly matched the remaining fragments of the building: the existing, original gas-tight shutters at Auschwitz measure 30×40 cm. In the blueprints they are indicated as having a size of 30×40 cm. In the p.o dated February 13, 1943 specifies”gas-tight doors of 30/40 cm” ["12 St. Gasdichte Türen cca 30/40 cm."]
Welchy mumbled: “I would therefore like to extend my invitation from Mr Thames to yourself, and suggest that you crawl back into whatever foul-smelling hole you call your home. Or try and find some more rants you can post on that unread ‘blog’ of yours. Either way, I would like to offer you the same advice on this forum as I would offer to your face if I found you in your usual habit (namely, a crack-den or your mother’s bed) - FOAD.”
Oh, yeah…unread…too bad the facts destroy your stupid suppositions.
You still haven’t any answer to his very accurate analysis.
The same criminals are conditioning the world by psy-ops like the Port Arthur Massacre, Waco Texas shootings, Oklahoma Bombing, the Locherbie Air disaster, “National Disaster Alarm” advertisements on Sydney radio and a whole raft of conspiracies. Believe it, or not.
Cain’s United Nations and various “think tanks” (of intellectual Cains! or spiritual Serpent’s seed) such as the Club of Rome, Royal Institute for Foreign Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderbergers, etc., have devised various means for de-population to cull we goyim, or “human cattle”, as they regard us.
The following excerpts from the Talmud demonstrate the “perpetual hatred” of Jews Esau/Edom toward natural Jacob/Israel and Spiritual Israel or Christians in particular
* It is allowed to cheat a gentile and take usury of him (Baba Mezia 61a, Abhodah Zarah 54a).
* The goyim [Christians] are regarded as unclean (Schabbath 145b, Abhodah Zarah 22b).
* It is not allowed to rob a brother Jew, but to rob a gentile is allowed (Baba Mezia 61a; Sanhedrin 57a).
* The goyim are not like men but are as animals (Kerithuth 6b). The seed of a goy is worth the same as that of a beast (Kethuboth 3b; Baba Mecia 114, 6).
* A Jew must not enter the home of a Christian (Gittin 62a).
* The goyim are not to be cured or helped when sick, even for money (Abodah Zarah 27b; Iore Dea 158, 1).
* It is permitted to deceive a goy (Babha Kama 113b). Jews must try to deceive Christians (Zohar I, 160a).
* A Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian (Babha Kama 113a-113b).
* A Jew shall not do injury to other Jews, but the law does not prohibit injury to a goy (Mishna Sanhedryn 57).
* Those who do good to the Christian . . . will not rise from the dead (Zohar I, 25b).
* All the festivals of the followers of Jesus are forbidden, and we must conduct ourselves towards them as we would towards idolaters (Abodah Zarah 2a, 78c).
* Do not save a goy in danger of death (Hilkkoth Akum, XX, 1).
* When a Jew and a goy come to court, you must absolve the Jew and take his side as far as possible according to Jewish law. If, however, the Jew can be absolved according to gentile law, absolve him (Babha Kama 113a).
* A Jew may keep anything he finds belonging to the Akum [Christian], to return it is a sin (Choschem Ham 266, 1).
to see this extensive page of info on the Edomite’s, go here:
http://www.apfn.net/edomites.htm
Maybe you should FOAD, schmuck.
“(8) The disposal rate of the crematory ovens is consistent with the real numbers of death from disease;”
Are you insane? There is nor argument that the nazis built 5 crematoria at Auschwitz with a maximum of 38 muffles - the blueprints, work orders and remains exist today.
By the end of 1943 the Krema were fully operational and the typhus epidemic had ended over a year earlier. By the end of 1943, with all Krema up and running, AB had the capacity to incinerate over 4,756 bodies a day.
But that’s only half the story. Auschwitz was unique because it lacked almost any morgue capacity.
The blueprints of February 17, 1943, show the morgue capacity in Kremas 1 - 5 was 136,000 cu ft., significantly down from the the 1942 blueprints showing a morgue capacity of 250,000 cu. ft.
By the time the Krema were finished, Auschwitz had virtually no permanently dedicated morgue capacity because the plans called for the morgues to be used for undressing and gassing. Auschwitz was a camp designed explicitly for high incineration capacity and very low morgue capacity.
Alexa says your traffic rank is 8,860,820.
Counterknowledge is at 574,684 in the U.S.
Yeah, that stupid supposition was destroyed.
“You still haven’t any answer to his very accurate analysis.”
Each and every one of his points was addressed. Repeatedly. It was addressed to such detail that he complained that the discussion was mired in the details so he needed to restate everything again….
Thanks for once again proving you have the reading comprehension of a pile of shite.
“Unread” would stipulate that 911liarsexposed.blogspot.com should have an Alexa rating of ZERO.
That IS what “unread” means, right, schmendrick?
91sexposse.com (totally awesome site HAnoVEr baby!)
I give you a 91 in effort.
THE NAME OF THE GAME IS LIE
It is pure infantilism to imagine that political disagreements are about honest disagreements of opinion. They are not. Political disagreements are about using self-serving lies to get what one wants. Let us illustrate by using “sex discrimination” as an example. Women know perfectly that they were never victims of discrimination. They were not victims of discrimination when getting everything their husbands money paid for in divorce court, or in getting automatic custody of the kids or picking up their child support and alimony checks. They weren’t victims of discrimination climbing on the lifeboats first or in sitting on their privileged ass while the opposite sex did the fighting and dying. Discrimination only became a problem when they figured out they could grab all the jobs too. Now it is pointless to tell women that they are lying about discrimination. They know they are lying the same way the Jews know they are lying about the fake “gas chambers” and the “six million”. Therefore, why point out the obvious?” Snivel rights” for blacks is another example of the principle that truth has nothing to do with it.. Blacks know perfectly that defective black genes, not white racism, is the cause of their problems. But if they can make white racism a bogey, then then they can use it to extort whatever they want. So too with the Jews and their beloved state of Israel. The Jews know perfectly that they are the cause of the problems because they stole Palestine from the Arabs. But if they can convince the ignorant, brainwashed Americans that the Arabs are the cause of the problems by mislabeling them “terrorists”, then Israel can continue its odious policies with the blessings of the American treasury.
The name of the game children, is lie. Lie, lie, lie. Never tolerate the truth. Shout it down, suppress it, turn facts upside down, and shout nonsense and epithets at the top of your lungs. Make the truth whatever supports your interests. That is the real world. Anyone who wants the objective truth had best search for it in archives and rare literature. It will not be found in the real world of self-serving liars.
The perfect essay for the “Disinformation.com” crew.
My critics are really losing it.
Poor ivory tower anus brain Joseph Welch has descended into the gutter completely. He can no longer even approximate rational discourse. One wonders if he talks this way to his students in class? Ron continues to press down on his lie accelerator. Not merely did Dr. Larson state to a Wichita newspaper that he never uncovered a single case of death by poison gassing, the Jews themselves have admitted that there were no execution “gas chambers” in any west German camp. The Gestapo order of October 1941 was issued several months after Operation Barbarossa had commenced. The intent, obviously, was to prohibit Jews from emigrating elsewhere when the decision had been taken to deport them to the occupied territories in the east.
Ron and Fangfuck keep offering bogus experts and bogus assertions regarding the disposal rate of crematoria. Thus, the nonsense from paid liar Evans and others. It takes roughly an hour to cremate one corpse. That does not allow for down time, repair of cracked walls, cleaning, etc. All of this has been gone into very clearly by Mattogno, Graf, Lagace and others. The claimed disposal rates are purely fabulous and the assertions are false.
As for Mr. Welch’s lament that this website is designed for rational discourse, that is precisely what has been presented here by Hanover and I. Our critics offer nothing but doctored figures and pseudo-science. I note that virtually none of the simple points I ennumerated was addressed. Thus, there was no explanation of why the Germans would build a purported extermination camp in the middle of a densely populated area, no explanation of how an extermination was consistent with documented German orders by Heinrich Himmler to reduce the death rate in the camps at all costs, how the free labor and underground intelligence groups operating within the camps failed to report the “gassing” operations when they reported everything else, no explanation of why US aerial reconaissance photos taken at the height of the claimed extermination failed to show any evidence of it, no explanation of how the Vatican, which had excellent intelligence sources within Poland, a Catholic country, failed to know anything of the purported extermination, no explanation of how the extermination could be reconciled with the camp documents showing how the Zyklon B was really being used to delouse the barracks and clothing, just John D. Zimmerman style baffleshit based on “creative accounting” (Zimmerman is a professor of accounting) regarding wildly exaggerated crematoria disposal capacity.
“Disinformation.com” is out of ammunition. All their lies and doctored arguments have been shot down. What they are left with is a propaganda legend and egg on their face. My favorite adversary, Joseph Welch, has been humiliated and routed at every effort. His pseudo-scholarship has been exposed, again and again, on WW1 legends, Pearl Harbor mythology, academic integrity, the history of Zionism, the motivations of the Balfour Declaration and a host of other subjects. He has been torn to pieces witout even a feeble effort at rebuttal. As for the rest of the lie crew, they specialize in inventing scientific facts, twisting evidence and trouting out minutae to evade talking about the real problems with their holy hoax.
Leuchter, Luftl, Rudolf, Graff, Mattogno, Faurrison, Butz,et. al. are absolutely correct. Lee, Fangfuck, Ron, Welch and all the rest are merely the Jean-Claude Pressac’s of pseudo-knowledge.
Although non-specific concepts of madness have been around for several thousand years, the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:
* certainty (held with absolute conviction)
* incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
* impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)
How amusing. It sounds like a perfect description of the “true belivers” in the Holocaust.
(1) Absolute faith in non-existent “gas chambers”;
(2) Unable to face conclusive evidence against the story;
(3) Total faith in provably false testimonies.
Hold up the mirror, Fangfuck - and SMILE.
“Poor ivory tower anus brain Joseph Welch has descended into the gutter completely”
Listen to yourself John. Seriously. No one here believes that you’re taking the high road. You’ve consistently comported yourself like a 12 year old child. If your post doesn’t contain a reference to homosexual activity, it contains a juvenile misrepresentation of someone’s name, a slur, or a playground insult. By the way, you never explained what, “Try sucking your dick online.” meant. If Joseph Welch has descended into the gutter, it was so he could look you in the eye.
My previous post displays your motivation, John. You are delusional. In short, the majority on this planet find the evidence compelling that Germans exacted Endlosung De Judenfrage through the extermination of the Jews. The majority on this planet find the evidence compelling that Islamic extremists crashed planes into American buildings. The fact that both you and Han don’t sit in either of these camps is very telling. The fact that you think everyone else is delusional, is telling.
This type of argument is not going to bring us around to your demented way of thinking. Jon, your “experts” have all failed to present arguments that are even remotely persuasive. Leuchter was laughed out of court. Rudolf no longer claims that his science presents a compelling argument. The others battle in public view and fail every time.
The answer is simple here. It’s because they are wrong. It’s not because they are repressed, or there’s some vast conspiracy. It’s not because the Jews control everything, or that everyone in the world is dumb and you are the only one smart enough to see through the “lies.” They’re wrong, John. Your entire world view is based on an illogical hatred.
That’s just sad.
Each of your arguments have been addressed. Your statements are filled with inaccuracies, made up facts, and logical inconsistencies. Your rely on the statements of others of your kind as if they are gospel even when they are absolutely false. Behind the banner and the flag? No port to the sea? Everyone in Europe thinks Jews did 9/11? HA! And Han’s no better. He just posted a list of “passages” of Talmud despite the fact that I’m quite sure he’s never studied Talmud in his life. Needless to say, none of his statements are actual passages. They have all been completely fabricated.
But don’t feel down John. Your arguments have proven something to us. You have proven yourself oblivious of simple scientific principals. You have proven that you have a myopic grasp of world politics, history, and human behavior. You have proven that you have a limited understanding of logical fallacy. You have proven that you are a raving bigot who is incessantly devoted to his prejudices.
The conclusion? You’re wrong. But at least your fun to dissect.
I just can’t get over the fact that you called someone “anus brain” in the same sentence that you complained that they had descended into gutter.
That’s just pure comedy right there.
Wilburrrr,
“Ronnie Lie Shit, Ronnie Stupid Fuck And Dear Ronnie Dick Brain:” must be part of that “rational discourse” you andHanover are always engaged in.
And I guess Radio Islam, David Duck.com, Stormfront, therebel, and those unnamed websites where authors write under nifty psuedonyms, must be a part of your “archives and rare literature” too.
Ha No Ver
Your quotes from the talmud are all wrong - even some of the names are wrong. Do not quote jewish texts from nazi websites. You sound silly when you do that, and knowing you got a 91 on a test once, I know you can do better!
I’m gonna do this for you bro, no one else. I’m going to cut and paste the entirety of Baba Mezi’a 61a (your 1st quote) so you can see what it actually says. I don’t expect you to understand it, but you will get an idea of how silly what you quote sounds if you spend a little time reading it [Hey it's rumored even Eichmann wanted to learn hebrew and understand jewish texts!]:
“now, since this is redundant in respect of money neshek, as it is already written, Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother, utilise the subject ribbith [applies to] money. [From this] I know it only of the borrower: whence do we know it of the lender? Neshek is stated in reference to the borrower; also in reference to the lender: just as with respect of the neshek written in reference to the borrower, no distinction is drawn between money and provisions, neshek and ribbith, so also, in respect to neshek written in reference to the lender, you must draw no distinction between money and provisions, neshek and ribbith. Whence do we know to extend [the law] to everything? From the verse, neshek of anything that is lent upon usury.
Rabina said: There is no need of any verse either that the prohibition neshek in respect of victuals, or of ribbith in respect of money, [applies to the lender]. For were it written, ‘Thy money thou shalt not give him upon neshek, and thy food upon marbith,’ [it would be] even as you say. Since, however, it is written, Thy money thou shalt not give him upon neshek and upon marbith thou shalt not lend thy victuals, read it thus: ‘Thy money thou shalt not give him upon neshek and upon marbith, and upon neshek and upon marbith thou shalt not give thy victuals. But does not the Tanna state, ‘it is said…it is said’? — He means this: if the verse were not written [in such a way], I should have adduced a gezerah shawah: now, however, that the verse is couched [thus], the gezerah shawah is unnecessary. Then for what purpose do I need the gezerah shawah? — In respect of neshek of anything for which usury may be given, which is not written in connection with the lender.
Raba said: Why did the Divine Law write an injunction against ribbith, an injunction against robbery, and an injunction against overreaching? — They are necessary. For had the Divine Law stated an injunction against ribbith [only], [no other prohibition could be deduced therefrom] because it is anomalous, the prohibition lying even upon the debtor. Again, had the Divine Law written an interdict against robbery [I might argue that] that is because it is against his [the victim's] wish, but as for overreaching, I might maintain [that it is] not [forbidden]. And were there a prohibition in the Divine Law against overreaching only, [I might reason,] that is because he [the defrauded] does not know [of his loss], to be able to pardon.
Now one could not be deduced from another: but cannot one be derived from the other two? — Which could be deduced? Should the Divine Law omit the prohibition of usury, that it might follow from these? The reason why these are [forbidden] is because they lack [the victim's] consent: will you say [the same] of usury, which is [taken] with his [the debtor's] consent? And if the Divine Law omitted the injunction against overreaching, that it might be deduced from the others, [I would argue:] The reason why the others are [forbidden] is because commerce is not carried on thus! — But the Divine Law should not have stated the prohibition of robbery, and it would have followed from the others. For what objections will you raise: as for interest, that it is an anomaly? Then let overreaching prove it. [Should you argue,] As for fraud, [the reason of the prohibition] is that he [the victim] is in ignorance thereof, and cannot pardon: then let interest prove it. And thus the argument revolves: the distinguishing feature of one is not the distinguishing feature of the other, and vice versa. The characteristic common to both is that he robs him. So also may I adduce robbery [as prohibited]! — I will tell you: That indeed is so. Then what is the need of an injunction against robbery? In respect of withholding the payment of a hired worker. But [the prohibition against the] withholding of such payment is explicitly stated: Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy! … at his day thou shalt give him his hire! — To teach that he [who withholds payment] transgresses two negative precepts. Then let it be referred to interest or fraud, that [in their case] two negative commands are transgressed? — It is a matter deduced from its context
Oh and Ha No Ver
This is the kind of thing that students, scholars and rabbis study in talmudic schools all day long year after year after year. I can assure you it’s even more exciting in hebrew.
Since Ronnie the nitpicker is now posing as a defender of the Talmud, I think it wothwhile to repost the essay I published on the previous thread.
THE WORDS OF THE SAGES
The Jewish Talmud is one of the most debated books on earth. For centuries philo-semites and anti-semites have been arguing over the true content of its teachings. The philo-semites claim that the disputed Talmudic passages are taken out of context and distorted; the anti-semites retort that the odious passages mean exactly what they say and that the “contextual rationalizations” are precisely that. What is the truth of the matter?
To understand the Talmud one must first grasp that it is a series of debates between various rabbis throughout the centuries on all the problems of life. The Talmud is very extensive comprising roughly twenty- six volumes of many thousands of pages. It is written in various ancient languages, principally Hebrew and Aramaic, and has only been (partially) translated into English in the twentieth century. It requires a lifetime of study to master in all its intricacies. The Talmud was once widely studied by Christian monks and scholars. It is now virtually unknown by the non-Jewish world. The much-disputed passages are found scattered throughout the books of the Talmud. They occur in a variety of contexts and settings. The common denominator is that all the passages in question appear bitterly anti-Christian and anti-gentile. The Jews have evolved a wide variety of defenses to these disputed passages. The techniques are very sophisticated and require involved analysis. The basic technique, as already noted, is to claim that the passage is quoted out of context. A more specific technique is to allege that the principle being applied is specific to the particular circumstance and not a general principle to be applied to all circumstances. Or, another technique is to assert that the offending principle is only the opnion of one particular rabbi, not the opinion of all rabbis. Or, the anti-social sentiment was the product of the persecution of the Jews in a particular time and place, not the opinion of all Jews in all ages. The “context” is distorted. Other favored techniques are to use code words. The Talmud proliferates with references to ancient peoples such as the Hittites, Akum and so forth. The Jews pretend that if a particular passage makes unflattering references to these ancient peoples, that the reference is based on an unfortunate historical experience of the past, not on any antipathy to present day gentiles. The anti-semites reply that laws are of the present. To preserve laws pertaining to dead peoples makes no sense unless those references to dead peoples are really code words for peoples of the present. Sometimes the Jews will argue that the obscene references to Jesus sprinkled throughout the Talmud really refer to some other Jesus, and not to the well-known Jesus of Nazareth. This was, for instance, the defense of the rabbi confronted by the charges of Nicholas Donin in 14th century France. The rabbi was unable to say just who the other Jesus was. On the face of it, it should be obvious that if a Talmudic passage asserts that “Jesus is being boiled in hot excrement for all eternity” it must be someone the Talmudic sages hated very much.
The Talmud is a very tricky book. It abounds in hair splitting distinctions, tortured logic and upside down thinking. Like modern day law, the Talmud can be used to justify, or condemn, virtually anything. That is its utility. Thus, when the anti-semite quotes the offending passage, the Jew quotes the contrary passage. One way of judging the validity of anti-semitic complaints about the Talmud is to look for signs of a Jewish anti-Christian, anti-gentile tradition outside the Talmud. Thus, if the reader consults a book like “Reckless Rites” by Elliott Horowitz, he finds a lengthy well-documented anti-Christian tradition. Horowitz establishes that for centuries Jews routinely spit on the Christian cross and cursed the name of Jesus as a mandatory religious duty. He also establishes that the festival of Purim which celebrates the hanging of the Persians who opposed the Jews in ancient times, is proof of a Jewish “revenge mentality” against the outside, non-Jewish world. If Jews have a centuries old bias against Christianity it would only be logical to assume that this anti-Christian, anti-gentile mentality would be elaborated and continued in the Talmud. As noted at the beginning of this essay, the Talmud was once studied very intensely by Christian scholars during the Middle Ages. These Christian scholars were well versed in the ancient languages in which the Talmud was written. Thus, the Jews had to be careful about venting their hatred in their Talmudic scriptures. Their enemies could read those scriptures-and understand them. Thus, the Jews invented the cover up techniques we have already reviewed. Other Jewish techniques involved deleting the offending passages entirely and passing them down orally from generation to generation. Only when the Jews felt that the Messianic Age was at hand, as in the days of the early Reformation or the time of Shabbatai Zevi, would they lose caution and restore the offending passages to their printed editions.
The Talmud has been the subject of innumerable investigations and disputations over the centuries. There was the aforementioned Nicholas Donin in 14th century France, the disputations of Rabbi Pfferkorn with Johannes Reuchlin, the investigations of Johannes Eisenmenger in “Endektes Judentum”, the writings of Johannes Buxdorf in “Synagoga Judaica”, the pamphlet of August Rohling, “Jesus Christus Im Talmud”, the writings of the Greek Orthodox priest, Reverend Pranaitis, the more recent revelations of Professor Israel Shahak in Israel and other exposures. Of all these enemies of the Talmud, no doubt the most formidable was Eisenmenger. Even the Jews, among them Frank E. Manuel and Jacob Katz, praise his erudition and acquit him of the charge of mistranslation of the ancient texts. When the opponents of the Talmud have been dragged into court on charges of libel they have generally fared badly. The reason is not hard to understand. As stated at the beginning of this essay, the study of the Talmud requires a lifetime. The anti-semitic scribe studies only the odious passages, not the book as a whole. Therefore, when tested in court, he can easily be shown to be ignorant of much of what the Talmud teaches, thus enhancing the credibility of the “taken-out-of-context” argument. This is what happened to both Rohling and Pranaitis in their court cases.
Perhaps the best test of the true teachings of the Talmud is to compare the infamous passages with what the Jews do in the real world. If the Talmud really teaches that non-Jews are animals in human form, fit only to be enslaved or murdered by God’s Chosen People, then one would expect these precepts to be implemented in the real world. Let us take the invasion of Gaza as an example. The world is horrified at what is going on. The Israelis are murdering helpless civilians by the most barbaric of methods. They treat the Palestinians as “animals in human form”-and slaughter them. Is this not exactly what the disputed Talmudic passages say? To go back further in history we may recall the tens of millions slaughtered by the Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia by similarly gruesome methods. For those who recall the activities of the Jews in Roman times there were the horrible upheavals in which tens of thousands of Greek and Roman civilians were slaughtered by the Jewish rebels who then wrapped themselves in the intestines of their victims. Or there was the horrible massacre of 90,000 Christians delivered to the Jews for slaughter by the Persian King Cyrus after he retook Jerusalem from the Byzantines around 630 A.D. The details and the cover up in Jewish historiography are detailed in Mr. Horowitz’s book “Reckless Rites”. Thus, there is a barbarity in Jewish behaviour from ancient times to present that is entirely consistent with the literal word of the obnoxious Talmudic scriptures.
And there, the case must rest. The reader may judge for himself the merits of the case. He has before him the arguments, pro and con. The matter has been disputed for centuries; the evidence is all in. He may believe the Jews; he may believe their critics; he may believe the blood of Gaza. The choice is his.
Fangfuck:
I really feel sorry for you. I think it is obvious that you really do believe the nonsense you write. Like so many people, you have been so thoroughly brainwashed that you just cannot conceive that you have been lied to. I.’m afraid that your world shall crash upon yout head when the truth finally comes out. As to impolite language, it was started by your side way back when. I merely dish out what I receive.
Fangfuck:
Your knowledge of both history and world politics is nil.
I have all the reference works I claim to have - and I have researched them thoroughly. Please do not tell me about the Talmud. I have consulted the twenty plus volumes of the Soncino translation in a public library. Like Hanover, I know exactly what the texts contain. Nor do I need you to tell me how to reach informed conclusions about what facts mean. My essays display a level of erudition and learning you will never even remotely appproach.
Wilbur,
Sometimes what comes out of your mind is so far gone, comment isn’t even necessary - it’s better to sit back and let people marvel at the twisted ignorance, racism and hatred - to be warned that it exists in the world today.
You know what? Since you’re divorced, unemployed and uneducated, I think I’ve discovered a career for you: you could be an exhibit at the holocaust museum. Really.
“My essays display a level of erudition and learning you will never even remotely appproach.”
Yeah all kinds of cool facts, like:
Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea
The steal beams at the WTC weren’t investigated
The talmud is a series of debates between various rabbis
President Johnson resigned from the Senate Whip to become the “go-nowhere vice president”
That the first income tax was passed after WW1
The Titanic investigation ignored the lack of lifeboats
Silverstein owned the World Trade Center
The JNF owns a majority of the land of Israel
Erudite! Learned! It’s the Wilbur Show yaaaaaay!
“I.’m afraid that your world shall crash upon yout head when the truth finally comes out.”
Truth doesn’t “finally come out.” Truth just is. When you present some I will believe it. Until then I will point out exactly where your version of truth diverges from reality. And since you are so far out of the bounds of reality in your thinking, so far, it hasn’t been all that hard.
“As to impolite language, it was started by your side way back when.”
I wasn’t the one complaining about the gutter talk. That was you. But while we’re on the subject, I was here when you started posting on this site. The posts are there to read. Do we really want to have a discussion about who started talking about who’s penis when? I called you a wind bag. You started right in with comments about people’s genitals. Since that time each of your posts has included some version of juvenile dialog. You’ve fantasized about cocks in people’s mouths. You’ve lamely mocked people’s screen names (Ronnie lie shit:? That’s just weak). You’ve concocted completely obtuse slurs (go suck your dick online)? I have a hard time believing you’re much older than 11 socially.
Did someone ever hurt you as a child? Maslow could have made a study of you, because you’re clearly missing something from the bottom of the pyramid.
Ronie Lie Fuck:
Fot an incoherent idiot who is always babbling about factual inaccuracies, let us try to get a few points straight:
(1) I am not divorced (having never been married);
(2) I am not uneducated, having a B.A. from the University of California;
(3) Being retired with millions of dollars is not the same thing as being unemployed.
To Fangfuck:
You would not know a psychologically disturbed individual if you tripped over one. I am serenely happy and extremely well off. I would not presume to psychoanalyze someone I have never met based on postings on a computer debate board. You are not so wise.
As to factual inaccuracies you, like Joseph Welch, have so many errors to your credit it ill behooves you to be accusing others. Specifically, you still have not grasped that Jews created communism, that Israel has been the aggressor in the Middle East from day one, that there is no evidence for a German extermination of six million Jews, etc. Until you grasp these basic facts, you and Ron really should not be troubling yourselves over the location of ports in Arabia or when the income tax first came in. You have much greater errors of misunderstanding to deal with. As to the “everyone knows” line, everyone used to know that Joseph McCarthy was a psychologically destabilized demagogue who “fantasized” about communists in the US government and who wrecked the lives of “innocent people” with his “wild and irresponsible” allegations. There is a lesson for you there, Fangfuck - although naturally you won’t draw it.
Fangfuck:
If I play games with your name, suggest that you stick your head in a toilet or suggest you fellate your own dick, it does not mean that:
(1) I actually eat turds for dinner;
(2) I am a practicing homosexual;
(3 I am psychologically disturbed.
It merely means that I hold you in absolute contempt based on your pathetic ignorance, your inability to critically analyze data and your incurable stupidity. Try to understand the point.
Now:
GO BLOW A DONKEY
http://www.whale.to/b/armontrout.html
Read ann account of a real execution by gassing by a man who participated in several. Pay particular attention to the clean-up procedures used afterwards, dumb shits. Then analogize to what you lying SOB’s claim the Germans did. It speaks for itself.
Grandpa Thames
“Here is an American intelligence official who thinks I.m right.”
I’m guessing this is your “complete” list of western intelligence agencies who believe that 911 was committed by the jews? Not really a “list” as such is it?
Firstly, Albert Stubblebine is not really an “intelligence agency” is he? You really need the current heads of the agencies to be saying that the jews were behind 911 to be able to back up your claim. Old Stubblebum was forced to retire 25 years ago.
The only “evidence” that Stubblebum provides is that, from the photographs he has seen, the hole at the pentagon was not big enough for a plane, and from the video he has seen, the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 looks like a controlled demolition. So he is not professing that he has any “intelligence information” or any information different to what everybody has seen.
He probably has some disease of old age. Though he has always been a little wierd, holding “spoon bending parties”, being head of the stargate program (where they tried to kill goats by looking at them) and he tried to keep walking through his office wall.
He is old and mentally ill, so you have quite a bit in common. But seriously is that the best you can come up with as your list of western intelligence agencies that believe the jews were behind 911?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ……
Oh yeah. Forgot………Too busy laughing. Nowhere does Stubblebum say that 911 was performed by the jews anyway.
“(1) I actually eat turds for dinner;
(2) I am a practicing homosexual;
(3 I am psychologically disturbed.”
Finally you speak truth.
Wilburrrrrr,
“Snivel rights” for blacks is another example of the principle that truth has nothing to do with it.. Blacks know perfectly that defective black genes, not white racism, is the cause of their problems.” - John Thames displaying his self-described “level of erudition and learning”
You could be an exhibit at the Holocaust Museum. Really!
Lee
You left out the Stubblebine super-human skills (comparable only to WIlbur’s display of erudition and learning:
Stubblebine has self-described psychic powers that allow him to (a) see into the future, (b) examine the alien structures underneath the surface of Mars and (b) study the propulsion systems of alien spaceships.
He’s offering a course on how to learn these skills at his psitech university:
http://www.psitech.net/training.htm#trvuniversity
Think how high Wilbur’s level of erudition and learning will reach after a few hours of instruction with Stubblebine!
Ron
Do you think Stubblebine and Grandpa Thames are one and the same? Two sad old mentally ill delusionists?
Then again I don’t think Stubblebum is a succesfull millionaire like Grandpa Thames, who spends all his time trying to convince (and failing miserably) us 2 or 3 lowly folks that there is a jewish plot to take over the world. After all thats what I would do with a million in the bank…….rather than try and enjoy myself with all that money in the twighlight of my life
Sine Ron-The-Moron likes to harp on when the income tax came in, here is a good history of the problem. Please remember that I wrote that the income tax first came in as a permanent fixture of American life at the time of the First World War. This essay confirms me in every respect. Please note that the the Civil War income tax went out around 1872; the income tax passed in 1894 was declared unconstitutional in 1895 based on failure to apportion by population of states . The i6th Amendment, abolishing the need for apportionment by population was passed in 1913, as was the Federal Income tax law.
Thus, my statement was substantially accurate. And so much for Ronnie Lie-Shit’s “historical research”. The rest of his blatherings are on a par.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1910s/a/incometax.htm
Lee,
Well, if I had the millions that Granpa John Thames/Wilbur Sensor/Andrew Jackson, claims to have, I know I’d spend MY time lavishing people with my “level of erudition and learning” such as:
“GO BLOW A DONKEY” or
“Ronnie Lie Shit, Ronnie Stupid Fuck And Dear Ronnie Dick Brain” or
“anus brain Joseph Welch” and the always classic:
“Lee In between sucking your own dick (about all you’re good for), try doing a little research. Here’s one for you, asswipe”
Heh, would you expect less from a multi-millionaire Berkley grad who is in the “legal business” yet doesn’t know the difference between renting and owning the world trade center?
“Please remember that I wrote that the income tax first came in as a permanent fixture of American life at the time of the First World War”
No you didn’t. You claimed that after WW1, the Jews forced a new and “alien concept” into america: the income tax.
You were just clueless about the first income tax predating WW1: like your not knowing Transjordan had an outlet to the sea, and you many other glaring errors you’re always moaning I “quibble” about.
Well…since you don’t care, know that your plot will FAIL.
Ha No Ver
What plot will fail oh Servant of Hi?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/israel-palestinian-territories-doctors-humanitarian
Oh, yeah…the blinders are coming off.
That’s the whole point, dimwit…I am no one’s servant.
Ha No Ver
What blinders are coming off?
What plot will fail?
Dude, you spend waaaaaaaay too much time on 91sexposse.com (that site stings! aneurysm baby!)
Ha Five Snort!
OK, Boys, since we all know how much you love me, now I am going to demonstrate that you professional liars know as much about communism in movieland as you know about fake “gas chambers”. Keep these facts in mind while watching an old movie classic.
THE MARXIST SCREENPLAY OF A MOVIE CLASSIC
Few, if any people, would ever think to characterize the film, “Lawrence of Arabia”, as communist propaganda. And yet both scripts for the film, the original one by Michael Wilson and the later one by Robert Bolt that was actually used for the film, were written by communists. It is inconceivable that two communists would not try to insert their propaganda into the scripts. Just how did Bolt do it? He employed the usual communist technique of suggestion. Bolt was a leader of the nuclear protest movement in Britain in the early 1960’s. He hated war – and so designed his fictional, rather than actual, Lawrence to promote this message. Lawrence is shown as a man who hates killing – but then becomes absolutely homicidal because of the psychological stress of war. He has a conversation with General Allenby midway in the film in which he confesses that he was disturbed by the killing – because “he enjoyed it”. Allenby, uncomprehending, retorts Rubbish!” Earlier, Lawrence calls the Arab who shot his guide drinking at the well “a murderer”. Later, Lawrence had shot the Arab he had rescued from the desert – after the man had murdered one of his rivals at camp. The underlying message is clear: the inhumanity imposed by war on a basically decent man. What better way to illustrate the point than by having Lawrence take the life of the man he had just saved? Toward the end of the film, Lawrence leads the charge against a retreating Turkish column with the cry: “No prisoners!” He is then shown shooting Turkish soldiers trying to surrender as the blood bath ensues. At battle’s end he is shown gazing incoherently at a bloody knife in his hand. The horribly butchered remnants of his work are shown around him as sheep bay.
War has made a monster of a great man. That is the communist message, loud and clear. Another clear exposition of the communist themes is the arrogance and double-dealing of the British toward their Arab allies. This is easy to demonstrate, as the British did double-deal. Of that there can be no doubt. In order to please the Zionist producer of the film, Sam Spiegel, communist Bolt omitted the Balfour Declaration and the double-dealing with the Jews. He also made the English soldiery condescending toward the Arabs in the extreme, when in fact the relations between the Arabs and the English soldiers were quite good. Thus, Allenby sneeringly asks one of his adjutants where that so-called Arab army actually is. In real life, Allenby highly praised the Arab contribution to the actual English victory. There is also a famous scene where Lawrence has to escort his Arab boy into the officers club over the objections of the English soldiers. Bolt undoubtedly did this to attack English colonialism and its condescending attitudes toward the natives. The scene also helped to promote the racial equality message that has always been a key theme of communist propaganda in the movies. Bolt, of course, had to know that relations between the Arabs and the British military were quite good during the fighting. The pompous righteousness of the fictional Colonel Brighton played by Anthony Quayle is completely contrary to fact. So is General Allenby’s reluctance to supply the Arabs with artillery. In actual fact, Allenby was happy to arm the Arabs who did such an effective job of massacring the Turks at the decisive battle of Meggido/Deraa in September 1918. The real animosity was not between the English soldiers and the Arabs, but between the English soldiers and the later Zionist colonizers in Palestine.
There is much more that could be said about communist propaganda in “Lawrence of Arabia” but the examples enumerated are sufficient to demonstrate the point. Robert Bolt nowhere overtly advocated communism in the movie. What he did was to invent a false psychology for the protagonist to promote the anti-war line – and then to paint the English betrayal of their Arab ally as an indictment of white colonialism generally. Naturally, he omitted the real betrayal, that of the Palestinian Arabs to the Zionists. A plausible case can be made introducing that thread would have made an already long and complex movie even too complex for the average viewer. But one may be sure that Robert Bolt, with one eye on his pocketbook, was very careful to distinguish between “bad” English colonialism and “good” Zionist colonialism in Palestine. Such is the price of kosher Marxism in Hollywood.
As usual, I am accused of hving psychological problems but no one can handle me on the facts.
No doubt I will be accused of hallucinating about communists in Hollywood while simultaneously getting my information from talking camels in the desert. Ronnie Boy and Fangfuck will like that idea.
Hey Wilbur I get it!
“The scene also helped to promote the racial equality message that has always been a key theme of communist propaganda in the movies”
No wonder you hate it! And, that’s your beef with jews, zionists, Israelis, americans, the allied powers in WW2, the West. Now I get it, your enemies strive for equal rights. It’s no wonder your such a nazi lover boy, you want to live in a place where this:
“Snivel rights” for blacks is another example of the principle that truth has nothing to do with it.. Blacks know perfectly that defective black genes, not white racism, is the cause of their problems”
is not reprehinsible, just like during the Third Reich and in many arab countries today. Now I see.
You would make a great exhibit at the holocaust museum!
Since when did “affirmative action” have anything to do with equal rights?
Actually, I like “Lawrence of Arabia”. It is a great film, just as I like “West Side Story”, another great film. But both films have provable communist input. The co-director on “West Side Story” was Jerry Robbins, a Jew who broke with the Communist Party in the early 1950’s. The playwright, Arthur Laurents, was a Jewish homosexual with life-long communist affiliations. Sorry, those are the facts.
Communists make movies. Therefor everyone in Europe knows that Holocaust Jews hiding behind the Ural mountains did 9/11 so that they could ensure that Palestinians didn’t have a port to the sea?
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Men.html
Fangfuck is trying to be funny through a pseudo-syllogism. Brilliant.
KEVIN MACDONALD’S EVOLUTIONARY FANTASY
Kevin MacDonald has written very convincingly of the Jewish assault on white, gentile civilization. His work is profoundly informed and thoroughly documented. Unfortunately, he has a fatal flaw – he believes in the Darwinian evolution nonsense. This is not to say that his evolutionary perspective is completely without merit. MacDonald believes in sociobiology – the doctrine that human behavior is rooted in the genes. That is unquestionably true. But an intelligent mind can believe in the primacy of genes without endorsing the nonsense of Darwinian evolution. There is also something to be said for Social Darwinism – the survival of the fittest. Obviously, a society should be run by its more capable, intelligent and successful members. Turning it over to the incompetents and malcontents can only destroy it.
But this is an entirely different proposition than espousing a pseudo-scientific doctrine that has no evidentiary support whatever. Kevin MacDonald will not face the fact that there is no evidence for Darwinian evolution, any more than the Holocaust establishment will face the fact that there is no evidence for so-called “gas chambers”. The arguments against the evolution hoax are well known. The Darwinians cannot demonstrate, by provable example, that the process has ever taken place. Neither can they demonstrate any method by which the process supposedly takes place. The extinction of better-qualified species followed by the survival of lesser-qualified species also presents a major problem. Natural selection fails as a test, as does selective breeding. Animal breeders are well aware that species can be improved by selective breeding but only up to a point. Then the process stops. No one has yet transformed one species into another by selective breeding. There is absolutely no support for the doctrine in the fossil record. The immense complexity of life in all its variety speaks against random selection. Such immense complexity is not generated by happenstance, anymore than a room cleans itself up. This is the argument of “intelligent design” which is sound, logical and fits the facts.
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Kevin MacDonald is a highly intelligent, highly erudite man. But because of professional indoctrination he has subscribed to a provably false, pseudo-scientific absurdity that is daily falling victim to increased criticism from intelligent skeptics. In so doing, he only detracts from an otherwise impressive body of work..
Mr Thames, what part of ‘Fuck Off’ don’t you understand?
Wilbur,
I gotta tell you something, this:
“. . . there is no evidence for Darwinian evolution, any more than the Holocaust establishment will face the fact that there is no evidence for so-called “gas chambers”.
is music to my ears. You made my day =)
Giving credit where it’s due…from WRH’s letters page:
READER: Here is something very interesting for you. Using the following map called “The founding of the nations”, which was constructed by Christians based off of biblical text, you can clearly see that Palestine was in existence long before Prophet Jacob, who’s twelve sons formed the twelve tribes of Israel. By the way, Israel was another name that Prophet Jacob went by, it was not the name of a land.
http://nabataea.net/foundingnations.html
On the bottom left hand side of the page, it starts off with Prophet Ham. Second one on his tree is Mizraim, which links straight to Casluhim & Caphtorim (Philistim) (Philistines). And as we all know, Arabs pronounce Palestine as Falasteen.
If you look all the way down at the very end of the map, you see Prophet Jacob and his link to his twelve sons who started the twelve tribes of Israel. This happened hundreds, if not thousands of years after Mizraim. Furthermore, This map ends before Prophet Moses comes into the picture.
WRH: Also before the rise of the Khazars, who are the genetic forebears of the European jews.
nAVE fORHITS
It would help if you knew what you were looking at, had minimal knowledge of the bible, and a touch of common sense.
1) the chart you linked was not “constructed by Christians” but by a canadian lawyer named david j. gibson who was an amatuer biblical scholar in the 1920s and fluent in hebrew and greek.
2) Ham was not a prophet, he was the cursed son of Noah.
3) Jacob was not a prophet, he was the son of Isaac and Rivka and fathered 12 sons.
4) The “twelve sons” did not “form the twelve tribes of Israel” they are the ancestors of the tribes of Israel, and the ones for whom the tribes are named.
5) Philistines were not semitic people, they were a sea traveling people from greece.
6) the land that currently includes egyptian sinai, israel, lebanon and parts of jordan and syria was called canaan not philistine.
7) the word falasteen is the arabic pronunciation of the latin word palestina. Palestina is the latin pronunciation for the hebrew word pleshet - which in the bible that david j. gibson made, meant philistine.
9) khazars were not the genetic forebearers of eurpopean jews.
10) As you buddy Wilbur (accidentally) demonstrated conclusively, the Y chromosome and mtDNA genetic evidence of the ashkenazis suggest a strong paternal genetic heritage from the Middle East.
Mr. Welch:
What part of take a deep swim at Pearl Harbor do you not understand?
Wilburrrrr,
“sociobiology – the doctrine that human behavior is rooted in the genes.”
That’s wrong. Sociobiology studies the biological basis of social behavior. It’s the role natural selection plays on social behavior.
Sometimes I wonder if you’re ever going to get a GED.
hAnOvEr FiSt
Hey, some news from the front:
Two young Israelis organized aid for those in Gaza. Lee Ziv and Hadas Balas formed the group, and delivered seven large trucks of supplies to the people in Gaza, with more to come.
An Israeli animal-welfare charity is sending truckloads of food and medical supplies to help ill and hungry animals in Gaza in the wake of Operation Cast Lead.
Despite the ongoing Gaza conflict, Palestinian and Israeli scientists have teamed up to solve some of the region’s most pressing problems, with a series of new workshops funded by a US-Israeli foundation.
Every year Israel’s Make a Wish Foundation grants the wishes of up to 130 terminally ill Jewish and Arab children.
Doctors from Sheba Medical Center are trying to save the life of a 12-year-old Iranian boy. The Israeli physicians hope it could pave the way for understanding between the two enemy countries.
A new interest-free microfinancing fund was set up in Jerusalem to help impoverished Jews and Arabs living in the city.
An Israeli non-profit organization was set up to use film to achieve social change, by exposing Arabs and Jews to documentary films that show how the other side lives.
Founded in Israel in 2001, Chefs for Peace aims to use fine food to bridge the divide.
Israeli pediatric heart specialists from went to Jordan to screen 40 Iraqi children suffering from heart disease thanks to Save a Child’s Heart - an Israeli organization founded in 1996.
Four veterinarians from Gaza spent were invited to the Israeli Agriculture Ministry to learn to diagnos the avian flu.
“Oh, yeah…the blinders are coming off”
This one’s for you Wilburrrrr:
35-year-old Israeli Amiram Eini has left modeling and turned to music instead. You can check out the jewish hunk’s pictures here: http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enPage=HomePage
Ronnie Dip Shit:
I can’t wait until you get a Masters in history from me.
I just loved your paean of praise to Zionist charity for Arabs. Tell it to the animals in the Gaza zoo your beloved schmucks shot to pieces.
Wilburrrrr,
Get yer danged GED first, then maybe you can teach history.
“Israel Defense Forces troops operating in the Gaza Strip uncovered a school and an adjacent zoo rigged by Hamas with a large amount of explosives. The school and zoo were entirely surrounded by a fuse connecting to the explosives. Inside the abandoned classrooms, IDF troops found a number of weapons. Audibly shocked IDF soldiers videotape themselves following the fuse to the explosives, past cages of animals and a room filled with weaponry, and on into the school.”
Gosh, thos HAMAS guys fight just like Hezbolla, Iraqi sunni groups, al Qaeda and the Taliban - fighting from schools, residences, mosques and zoos - then blaming the US, UK and IDF when they’re blown up.
Hey Wilbur, you can even see the video the IDF took:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU
Vavavoom have you been salivating over those Amiram Eini photos yet you little devil you?
Ronnie:
Just like those innocent kikes ran over Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer just because they couldn’t see her. Anything you say, Ronnie Lie-Shit. No doubt all those innocent Arabs Dr. Goldstein shot up at the Mosque were really planning a terrorist attack while pretending to pray. Remember that one, Ronnie? Of course not.
Now, back to evolution. Since you can’t refute the fact that there is no evidence for the claim, you instead quibble over definitions of Sociobiology. Very good, Ronnie Definition-Shit.
http://www.amazon.com/Between-Flag-Banner-Israeli-Politics/dp/0791431282
The title of the book is “Behind The Flag and the Banner”, published in November 1996. Now Ron can salivate over the astounding relevance of the difference of inverting words and getting the publication date two months off. That really goes to the heart of the argument.
The quotation I posted from the book was entirely accurate. The point I made about Jewish feminists having one standard their real country and a different standard for the US also went unrebutted. Instead, Ronnie nit-picker went after the irrelevancies, as always. Ron, the guy who takes courses but who does not know what he is talking about, cannot deal with the essence of any issue. So he looks for minor errors that he can gloat over while ignoring all the provable facts he cannot challenge.
It reminds me of all the people who used to jump on McCarthy for slightly erring in the name of a provable communist front - while saying nothing about the fact that it was a communist front.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.amazon.co.jp/Women-Israel-Pennsylvania-Studies-Rights/dp/0812237528&ei=v4dWSvyDA43SMq3VkJ0I&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwomen%2Bin%2Bisrael%2Bamazon%26hl%3Den
Here’s another one for genius Ronnie Boy. Note the publisher’s blurb which states that “women live under considrably worse circumstances than men” in Israel. And before you get started, Ronnie Lie-Shit. I know those ain’t the exact words but they are sure the substance of what the blurb says. So we come right back to the unanswered point I raised earlier. Why do all these Ruthie Goonsberg commie kike cunts have one standard for their real country and a different one for this country?
Wilburrr,
You’re so sad, I feel bad knocking you around all the time.
“The title of the book is “Behind The Flag and the Banner”
No it’s not knucklehead. It’s “Between the Flag and the Banner.” You never read the book as you falsely claimed (you couldn’t even get the stupid title right) Instead, you saw a blurb on google books and lied about having read it - just like you make up stuff all the time. What you don’t grasp is how obvious your lies are.
What you also don’t seem to understand is that in the U.S. and Israel, there is a secular government, governing people of many faiths. Governments balance their duty to be secular and to provide freedom to worship by allowing religions to have religious courts or exclusive or joint rule over matters of religion.
Israel, for instance, has Jewish courts; Sharai Islamic courts; Christian religious courts; and Druzi courts. In the US when a jew wants a Get, she has to go through jewish authorities. If an American catholic wants a divorce to be recognized, he or she would have to go through their own process, same for muslim americans.
The quote you lifted from Between the Flag and Banner was a complaint about rabbinic courts, and halakha, not israeli civil law.
To sum up, you’re not only sloppy with your information, and pull your information from ridiculous sources, you don’t even comprehend what the subject is.
Face it, you don’t know theology, history, science, business, law or geography. It’s ok though, I think you are the poster child for holocaust denial - and hope you post more.
Wilburrrrrrr,
“Note the publisher’s blurb which states that “women live under considrably worse circumstances than men” in Israel…I know those ain’t the exact words but they are sure the substance of what the blurb says”
Dude, why do you put in quotes what you’re paraphrasing? How stupid are you?
Your paraphrase is wrong anyway, it doesn’t say anything about “women living in considerably worse circumstances.” The book is a feminist view of life in israel, and the discrimination women face in a state dominated by a patriarchal religious order.
Women around the world are treated differently than men and discriminated against by patriarchal orders religious and other. In Israel, like other western democracies, women have a right to vote, and are involved in the legislative process as lawyers, legislators, leaders and judges, and have been very successful in making changes - something you seem to complain about alot.
It’s not a “blurb” you dope, its a description of the book.
WIlburrrr,
“. . . you . . . quibble over definitions of Sociobiology. Very good, Ronnie Definition-Shit.”
Hehe is this your way of admitting you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about?
I’m told by my Mossad controllers that your apology for being a dimwitted, inbred, unemployed racist is accepted.
Ronnie:
You are incredibly stupid - as well as incredibly dishonest. The quote from the blurb says: “…women generally live in considerably worse circumstances than men.” Do you think your readers cannot understand plain English? You claim, like the liar you are, Ronnie, that I don’t have certain books in front of me as I write. Yet the quotation from Yael Yisahai’s book was taken directly from the pages before my eyes. You could not refute a word of it. Nor have you yet answered the question I pose: Why are Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in America, while saying nothing about the documented facts of what goes on in their real country? Your silence is deafening, Ronnie boy.
As to the issue of sex discrimination generally, I note that you did not try to refute my informed analysis on the Palatinate website. Why don’t you try, Ronnie dick head? Here is how you might begin. Kindly explain how men can be victims of “sex discrimination” when:
(1) Men get the house, the car and all their wives cash in “men take all divorce” court ;
(2) Men get automatic custody of children in divorce court;
(3) Men receive massive child support and alimony from financially raped ex-wives:
(4) Men enjoy exemption from military service while women suffer hundreds of thousands of deaths and mutilations fighting all the wars of the United States;
(5) Men and children get first place on the lifeboats while women go down with the Titanic:
(6) Women work themselves into heart attacks and a seven year shorter life expectancy so that men can inherit 80% of all the personal wealth in the country.
Next, Ronnie dick brain, you can explain why men should have the vote when it was women who spilled their blood at Valley Forge and Yorktown, women who stopped the English at New Orleans, women who won the war against Mexico in 1848, women who charged up San Juan Hill under Tina “Rough Rider” Roosevelt”, the Dough Cunts who drove the Germans out of Belleau Wood while hysterical male feminists tied themselves to lamposts back in Washington, D.C. demanding that President Wilma Wilson give them the vote, etc.
Then, Ronnie, you moronic idiot, you can explain how male combat soldiers suffer nervous breakdowns when their own troops tickle their testicles, how male secretatries run around the business office in their see thru jock straps and stick their nose up every vagina, swinging sixties style, before discovering that they are being “sexually harassed’, how they burn their jock straps and scream female chauvinist pig before suing for “sexual hostility” , how they kill their own child as male “pro-choice” in reproduction while prosecuting women for fetal homicide and how they take half the year off at full pay to play with their kid on the company’s time under “paternity leave” statutes while expecting women to do two jobs for the price of one. Tis is called “equal pay for equal work”, obviously.
You know about as much about real “sex discrimination” as you know about fake Nazi “gas chambers” and real Jewish commissars, Ronnie Boy. One other thing, dumb shit. Divorce matters are strictly under the control of the religious authorities in Israel. It is nice to know that women can now be judges and lawyers. When they lose their other priveleges and special treatments we will have some real equality - not the “kiss it on both cheeks brand” they, and you, prefer.
http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2008/02/sharia-state-of-israel.html
See attatched, dumb shit. There is no civil marriage in Israel, lamebrain.
Hey, Ronie dumb shit:
I know exactly what I am talking about. The religious courts were set up under the preceding British Mandate, as were the defense laws that the Israelis use to crack down on Palestinians without due process of law. They were originally set up by the British to deal with the great Arab revolt of 1936-1939. I learned this, and many other interesting facts about Zionist “democracy” in Norman Dacey’s old booklet, “Democracy In Israel”. Stop trying to bullshit me, asshole. I can prove you are lying very easily.
Grandpa Thames
You said : “As usual, I am accused of hving psychological problems but no one can handle me on the facts.”
Still waiting for your “factual” list of all the western intelligence agencies who believe the jews were behind 911.
The “fact” is that no western intelligence agencies believe the jews were behind 911. That is the simple fact as to why you cannot provide your list.
Therefore you are either a liar or mentally ill. Personally, I think both.
Now stop drivelling your insane pointless garbage.
Go and spend your millions…….. that you allege you have.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..
73 pages. The booklet has 73 pages, was written in 1979, and it can prove that Ron is a quibbling quibbler. His quibbles are so quibbly that the department of weights and measures is currently quibbling over an appropriate expansion of the definition of word quibble to encompass everything that Ron has ever quibbled.
All because of that magic 73pg. booklet, written in 1979, that knows what life is like in Israel today.
Wilburrrr,
“Nor have you yet answered the question I pose: Why are Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in America, while saying nothing about the documented facts of what goes on in their real country? Your silence is deafening, Ronnie boy”
Can you sound any dumber?
I have an idea Wilburrrrr, why don’t YOU get involved with many of the women’s right groups in Israel today! Here’s a partial list of some of the “Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in Israel:
International Council of Jewish Women
Economic Empowerment for Women (Reduces poverty and bridges social and economic disparities among women in Israel. In fact, send them an e-mail to share your concern for the lack of screaming about women’s rights in Israel she could use a laugh! info@womensown.org.il)
KAYAN (Advances the status of Arab-Israeli women by catalyzing independent thought and action, and changing the way women are viewed and treated in Arab and Jewish society in Israel)
Israel Ministry of Social Affairs
Association of Bedouin Women to Promote Education
**Isha L’Isha (Literal translation: Woman to Woman; the most veteran, grassroots feminist organization in Israel and the country’s leading voice for women’s rights. This is the group you’ll really want to email, they are the most active yahelmedia@gmail.com
Committee on Women’s Status of the Israel Lawyers Association (women lawyers? In israel? Perish the thought)
*Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel. I hope you donate some of your “millions” from your “legal business: to this fine group. You can contact them here info@igud1202.org.il
Sister for Women in Israel -(Improves and advances the status of working women at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder)
Strauss-Elite Group
**Women Lawyers for Social Justice (Fights the widening gaps in Israeli society, particularly what they refer to as the “growing violation of women’s rights.)
American Miklat Committee - Israel’s only domestic abuse shelters for observant women and their children
Association for Women in Psychology
National Women’s Health Network
**Hadassah (This is another great group to donate to. Contact them at info@hadassah.org
The Israel Project
*****NA’AMAT USA (An organization and movement striving to enhance the quality of life for women, children and families in Israel, the U.S. and around the world. I maked this one. This is another group which should be right up your alley. Shout out a complaint about how “Jewesses” aren’t “screaming about “sex discrimination” in Israel” info@naamat.org)
***WIZO USA (A non-political international movement dedicated to the advancement of the status of women, welfare of all sectors of Israeli society and encouragement of Jewish education around the world.)
Hey Wilburrrrr, alot of these groups are non-profits created by “Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in Israel and your contributions would be tax deductible right here in the USA because these “Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in Israel are doing it here too! I’ve even marked the few that I think you’d like to donate to.
And thanks!
Oh Wilburrrrrr,
“One other thing, dumb shit. Divorce matters are strictly under the control of the religious authorities in Israel.”
Wrong. When are you going to be so humiliated by your stupidity that you will hide?
Domestic relations matters in Israel are in the jurisdiction of TWO separate court systems: the civil courts AND the religious courts. The jurisdiction of the religious courts is exclusive in some areas of domestic relations, and concurrent with the civilian courts in others.
Here’s the thing though, the Israeli High Court of Justice makes the rules the rabbinic courts have to follow, especially in connection with the division of property and te weight given to principles of basic human rights in Israels Basic Laws.
Do I think you learned something? Naaaaaa
WIlbur you dumb hillbilly unemployed oaf:
“The quote from the blurb says: “…women generally live in considerably worse circumstances than men.” Do you think your readers cannot understand plain English?”
ROFL, it’s not a blurb you big dope, its amazon’s translation of the JAPANESE product description found on amazon.co.jp in Japan! THE READERS CAN’T UNDERSTAND PLAIN ENGLISH THEY’RE JAPANESE
hahahahaha
“I learned this, and many other interesting facts about Zionist “democracy” in Norman Dacey’s old booklet, “Democracy In Israel”
Never heard of it. BUT, a quick google search showed me where I could pick it up: Stormfront! Oooooookay
Oh it’s great Ron. It’s a 73 page booklet that predicts the future. You really should read it.
Interesting verbiage here…it’s from that same page I’ve quoted before.
Ruth Bernstein July 10, 2009 at 10:58 am
Mahmoud says:
“I challenge you to write an article for this site….I am sure Mark will be happy to publish it….And I promise if you do, I will make contribution for your favorite U.S. charity.”
I would love to write an article for this site, Mahmoud, but Mark Glenn would never publish it. I know that. It wouldn’t be like the stuff I write in the Comments section. Full of cusses and stuff. No, it would be a serious, scholarly article with lots of facts and quotations and reference notes. In it I would sing the praises of Israel and explain how Palestinian genocide is justifiable. I would make it clear that America as a nation is finished. That we Jews now control it. And that the goyim have no option now but to bend the knee before us and be our slaves.
Yes, I would quote chapter and verse to prove that every prophecy made in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion had been fulfilled. I would show that it was a damn good thing that we Jews were behind the genocide of 60 million Christians in the Soviet Union, that it was necessary to rid the world of such vermin — if only in the interests of population control.
Yes, and I would show that it is now necessary to kill several billion more people by manufactured diseases and carefuly planned wars in order to usher in the New World Order with its capital in Jerusalem.
All this I would do most eloquently in an article. But I cannot, Mahmoud. Because Mark Glenn just wouldn’t have the guts to publish it. He doesn’t mind me burying my genius away in the Comments Column of his blog. But an article? No way, never! He would never countenance this or even consider it.
This is because Mark’s blog is an ANTIZIONIST blog. It only publishes stuff attacking the Jews and saying how great it would be to put them in the gas ovens again.
Damn you, Mark Glenn, for your negative attitude to me. And damn you, Mahmoud, for being such an idiot. You have no understanding.
nAVE iF sHORT
Not to quibble, but did you mean to post that on purpose? If so, why? Discuss.
Hanover Fist:
On second thought, that was your best post yet. But you left out two revealing comments from “Ruth Bernstein” on that blog:
“We need to bomb the Iranians, not be nice to them! We need to kill them, not be kind to them! Mr El-Yousseph has got all his priorities wrong. However, that does not mean he hasn’t written a good essay. He has. It is brilliant.”
***
“Mahmoud, I respect what you say. And you say it beautifully. But also try and understand that I am possessed by many demons and cannot help what I am. I am in the grip of evil forces beyond my control. I must go now and take some more pills. All my tears will not wash my sins away.”
I suspect “Ruth Bernstein” is a fake commenter - a caricature of the anti-jewish genre - that the website created in order to parody jews, and ridicule straw man arguments.
The website routinely accuses jews of being warmongering and pure evil – just as you do! And to prove it they created a cute caricature: a blood lustful jew who wants to kill.
Better yet, the evil jew admits to being evil – and crazy too – she admits: “I am in the grip of evil forces . . . I must . . . take some more pills.”
The best part is “Ruth Bernstein” thinks the blog and the writer (her adversaries) are brilliant: – “Mahmoud, I respect what you say . . . you say it beautifully . . . a good essay.” “It is brilliant.”
I used to wonder if John Thames was a fake commenter – he is so stupid and his mistakes are so obvious – that it had to be a plant by Counterknowledge.
But, then he admitted he was posting the same ridiculous comments on other websites under fake names, and I realized Wilbur was no fake.
Oh, yeah…the blinders are coming off.
Take this Khazars, oo that’s gonna sting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YcWLXBXaD8&feature=player_embedded
Wilburrrr
“Now, back to evolution. Since you can’t refute the fact that there is no evidence for the claim, you instead quibble over definitions of Sociobiology. Very good, Ronnie Definition-Shit.”
There is a ton of evidence for evolution - you dumb ape.
You even mentioned one example of the strongest evolutionary forces: dog breeding, or as Darwinists in the biology biz call it: “artificial selection.”
Perhaps the best evidence I’ve seen yet of evolution is that a dumb ape like you - who thinks transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea, income taxes were a jewish plot after WW1, that the steel from the WTC wasn’t investigated and the JNF owns a majority of Israel - can sorta read and write!
Hey, thanks for supporting Darwin Apeman!
THE JOAN PETERS OF THE GAS CHAMBERS
The history of Arab Palestine was turned upside down by a Zionist pseudo-historian named Joan Peters. Miss Peters absurdly claimed that the Arabs moved into the land they had already inhabited for centuries to take advantage of the enormous prosperity the Jews were supposedly creating. It was total nonsense, of course. Now the upside down think tribe claims that gas chambers lack any hydrogen cyanide residue because:
(1) It takes less hydrogen cyanide to kill humans than insects;
(2) Hydrogen cyanide supposedly does not adhere to gas chamber walls the same way it adheres to other surfaces;
(3) The Germans washed it all away with water before it could stick.
Like Joan Peters who simply ignored all the Zionist settlers to Palestine who testified to the land already being settled by Arabs, the Joan Peters of the “gas chambers” simply ignore al the facts that do not fit their fantasies. They ignore the facts that the “gas chambers” were nothing more than morgues for storing dead, diseased bodies before they are burned. They ignore that the rooms of the “gas chambers” could never have held the claimed numbers of bodies. They ignore the lack of proper sealing, ventilation and heating. They ignore the camp records which document the use of Zyklon B for delousing purposes. They ignore the disposal capacity of the crematoria, consistent with a natural death rate but inconsistent with a mass extermination program. These charlatans cannot explain the total absence of any German orders for an extermination, the absence of six million bodies or the fact that nobody in the actual camp itself noticed the extermination that was supposedly taking place. That includes the underground intelligence groups operating out of the camps, the free Polish labor that was employed in the camps and the Polish farmers surrounding the camp who had clear visibility into the camps through the wire fence surrounding them.
Nor can these quacks explain the huge numbers of Jews still alive after the war. They are silent on the huge numbers of Jews who retreated into the interior of the Soviet Union ahead of the German advance, of the hundreds of thousands of Jews who left Germany before the war or were transferred to Palestine. They ignore the communist satrapies of Eastern Europe which were top heavy with Jewish commissars, 1945-1950. They ignore all the Jews who migrated to the Americas disguised as Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, etc. They cannot explain the huge numbers of Jews who collect reparations for this extermination when they should have all been killed long ago. Still less can they explain the huge Jewish presence at the Nuremberg Trial where all the bogus evidence “proving” the extermination was put together. They offer no comment on the fact that 2400 out of 3000 personnel at the trials were Jewish. They are silent on the fact that it was the Jewish organizations in New York who sold the Allied powers on the idea of the trial. They have nothing to say on the fact that the German defendants were hung in the middle of the high Jewish holidays in October 1946. They ignore that all the German records showing what was really going on at the camps were seized by the Soviets and withheld from the “trial”. They say nothing about the torture of the defendants and the innumerable forgeries that were offered in evidence. They ignore the criticisms that respectable jurists around the world offered of the Nuremberg kangaroo court. They ignore that all the testimonies that they regard as irrefutable proof of an extermination program were offered under the aegis of a bogus tribunal where normal rules of evidence were not followed and where no prosecution witness has ever been prosecuted for perjury.
They ignore all this while they shriek that:
(1) Millions of human beings were killed by minute quantities of insecticide;
(2) Hydrogen cyanide residue would not be found in the chambers where millions of human beings were supposedly “gassed”;
(3) The Germans washed it all away with water.
“From Time Immemorial” had nothing on these quacks. Their apologia should be entitled “From Gas Chambers Immemorial”.
Dear Ronnie Lie-Shit:
Jewesses in America like Gloria Allred and Ruthie Goonsberg are always filing sex discrimination suits in this country and portaying women as an “oppressed minority”. The Jew media are always screaming about women in Afghanistan. But they black out completely in the media they control these very interesting facts about women in their real country called Israel. Even a born stupid shit like you should be able to figure our why.
One other thing, Ronnie. There is no civil divorce in Israel, only religious divorce. You flat out lied about that, just as you lie about so many other things.
I noticed your evolutionary ape brain had nothing to say about my demonstration that “sex discrimination”is a fraud. Turning it around to prove the point was too much for devolved peanut brain.
Ronnie:
You were born with a gift for confusing issues, Weren’t you? It must come naturally. The point is that the same Jewesses who make such a big fucking deal about so-called sex discrimination in this country and around the world, are absolutely silent in the US media (which are Jewish controlled) about what goes on in Israel. When was the last time you heard MSNBC or Katie “Cuntic” reporting how some Jewess in Israel was required to offer herself in marriage to the brother of her deceased husband? Or how terribly unfair it was that some Jewess in the Promised Land could not get the abortion she wanted because the State Board decided she had sufficient funds to raise the child? Or when was the last time you heard Gloria “All-Red” on the TV set suggesting Israel should be forced to register with the United Nations as a “sex offender” because of its participation in the Jewish controlled sex slave trade in Eastern Europe?
You don’t want to talk about these things, do you, Ronnie Boy? Instead you want to talk about all the Istraeli feminist organizations devoted to sniping at Zionist patriarchy. But when it comes to the real issue, the blatant silence in the Jew controlled media for brainwashed goyim in the US about what really goes on in Israel, then you have nothing to say. You lying little cocksucker (or is it Cuntsucker this time, Ronnie?).
Now two, other points, penis brain. Were the facts in Dacey’s pamphlet true at the time it was written? And were the Jew controlled newspapers just as silent about what really goes on in Israel in 1979 as they are now? You won’t answer either of those questions, Ronnie Lie-Shit - and we both know exactly why.
Hey, Ronnie Lie-Shit:
Did anybody ever tell you that there is a vast Jewish controlled international sex slave trade? Get the book “Prostitution and Prejudice” by Edward Bristow and read all about it. Then tell me why all our Jew bought and paid for politicians who scream about women under the Taliban have nothing to say about this one - and the participation of the Zionist state in the trade.
P.S. Ronnie: It helps if you take the Jew cock out of your mouth fitst.
Wilburrrrr,
I hope after you donated to all the organizations of “Jewesses always screaming about “sex discrimination” in Israel” that you call “the Jew controlled media for brainwashed goyim in the US” and ask them why they aren’t reporting more about sexual exploitation in the “Tier 3″ countries (governments which don’t comply with the minimum standards to prevent sexual exploitation) like saudi arabia, syria, kuwait and Iran.
Israel isn’t listed as a Tier 3 country.
Wilburrrr
“Now two, other points, penis brain. Were the facts in Dacey’s pamphlet true at the time it was written? And were the Jew controlled newspapers just as silent about what really goes on in Israel in 1979 as they are now? You won’t answer either of those questions”
I’ve never heard of the pamphlet until yo mentioned it, and only saw a reference to it on Stormfront (”white pride world wide”) so I can’t comment.
“I noticed your evolutionary ape brain had nothing to say about my demonstration that “sex discrimination”is a fraud.”
It’s your opinion. You’re entitled to one - no matter how dumb or ill-informed.
heheh so wiblurrrr.
Aare you the “Ruth Bernstein” of counterknowledge, a fake commenter planted to make holocaust deniers, evolution hoaxers, and 911 truthers look ridiculous?
Hey Wilburrrrrr
How do you reconcile this:
““I noticed your evolutionary ape brain had nothing to say about my demonstration that “sex discrimination”is a fraud.”
With this:
“When was the last time you heard MSNBC or Katie “Cuntic” reporting how some Jewess in Israel was required to offer herself in marriage to the brother of her deceased husband? Or how terribly unfair it was that some Jewess in the Promised Land could not get the abortion she wanted…”
Sounds alot like your “demonstration that “sex discrimination”is a fraud” is, well, a fraud.
Wilbur, you’ve got to be a fake, you keep defeating your own points ya dumb ape.
http://emsworth.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/west-side-story-at-the-stratford-festival-a-review/
Please see my expert analysis of more communist propaganda in the movies.
Poor Ronnie:
He keeps getting dumber and dumber as I take him apart.
Get Bristow’s book and read it, Dummy Ronnie. The sex slave trade isn’t being run by Arabs. The sex slave traders are Jews. Get “The Natashas” by a Jew author and read it. And, oh yes, Ronnie. Menachem Begin won the Nobel Peace Prize back in in the ’70’s for Camp David. This is the same Begin who blew off the southwest wing of the King David Hotel on Julyy 22, 1946 - before he discovered that “promoting peace” (as in Shabra and Shatila camp massacres) was a good thing. You might also look up his mug shot when he was on the “Most Wanted” list of the old Palestine Police Force.
Your attempred “refutation” of my “turn it around logic” on sex discrimination isn’t even worth commenting on. You are finished, Ronnie Lie-Shit.
Hey Ronnie Dick Brain:
When the Soviet Union and its Red Army mass raped its way across Europe in 1945 the Nuremberg war crimes tribunal did not prosecute them. They were too busy prosecuting the Germans for fake “gas chambers”. Rememeber, Ronnie? Gee, you have a “sexual bias” problem at the same time you have your nose stuck yp a Soviet cunt hole. How pathetic, Ronnie.
http://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/whiteslaves.htm
More documented facts for you, Ronnie Lie-Shit.
http://www.savethemales.ca/000185.html
Mommie Was a Commie; Ronnie is a Dummy.
ENLIGHTENED RABBI
Jews, as we all know, are the most reasonable and enlightened of people. They tell us so all the time. That is why it is necessary to pay close attention to the behavior of our newly created character based on ancient antecedents called “Enlightened Rabbi”. Enlightened Rabbi is ferociously attacking the blockbuster new movie, “West Bank Story”. Listen to the Rabbi rave.
“This movie is mischlinge miscegenation propaganda! How dare you suggest that an Orthodox Jewish Jet marry a Palestinian Shark? It is outrageous! Why, if this nonsense spreads, it will destroy the racial purity of the Jewish people forever. Just ask Jonathan Pollard. Since when did the world conquering Aryans ever practice this racial equality crap they preach to God’s Chosen People? And this crap about “hatred”? As a Yeshiva student, you know that the Talmud enjoins Jews to hate non-Jews. Palestinian Sharks are animals in human form. Instead of marrying them, you should be bulldozing their homes, like Officer Schmuckne and Lieutenant Shrank! Have you read what that hypocritical capitalist press in Anglo-America has been saying about this film? They have been praising it to the skies, saying how it shall cure Jews of their centuries old Ghetto Nazism. Why, they are even claiming that it will promote the peace process by making Jews and Palestinians indistinguishable! What is the matter with you? ‘West Bank Story’ should be banned as Zionist propaganda. It is just as bad as Holocaust Denial.”
THE COMMON DENOMINATOR
As all students of the subject know, the Jews are lying about their hoax of six million of their number supposedly killed in non-existent “gas chambers”. We pose the following question. Who created?
(1) The Civil Rights;
(2) The Feminist;
(3) The Racial Equality;
(4) The Socialist;
(5) The Communist
And other movements that have so transformed the American landscape? Answer: The same Jews who created the “gas chamber” hoax. Is not the source of the subversion clear?
THE KATYN KIKE PARADIGM
Polish director Wadja has made a film of the famous murder of 22,000 Polish officers by the Soviet NKVD. The method of execution was to blindfold the prisoners before lining them up before a ditch, removing the blindfold and shooting them in the back of the skull. Wadja has been praised for his bravery in making the film but actually he was rather coy. The executioners are uniformly portrayed as Russians in Soviet garb. Since it is a known fact that the Soviet secret police, the dread NKVD, were two-thirds Jewish in those years, the uniformly Russian faces of the executioners appear to represent a massive distortion of the facts. Remember that the murdered were Poles; forget that the killers were Jews. Is this equal justice?
The bodies of the murdered Poles have been found, perfectly preserved in the clay in which they had been buried. The bodies of the six million “gassed” Jews have disappeared forever, magically cremated into missing ashes. The Katyn Kike Paradigm is very instructive. It shows the difference between a real mass murder and a propaganda legend. It also shows that although it is now intellectually respectable to condemn the crimes of communism, the Jews behind communism must be written out of the history textbooks forever.
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2009/07/haredim-attack-female-reporter-432.html
Gee, Ronnie Cunt Face, those very enlightened Jews in the country you adore were drenching a shiksa whore reporter with spit! Just what you would like to do to me, no doubt.
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/part1.htm
More documentation on a certain subject, as though any were really needed.
ANTIZIONISM IS ANTISEMITISM
The Israeli lobby and its apologists have come up with a catchy public relations slogan: “Anti-Zionism id Anti-Semitism”. This is priceless. Anti-Semitism and its inevitability – is the founding premise and guiding principle of Zionism. The original Zionists of Theodore Herzl’s time sought alliances with the anti-Semites of their day – because they could be used to promote Zionism. Yet now these Zionists say that: “Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism”. Was there ever a more contemptuous example of preying upon the ignorance of the public?
Did not Chaim Weizmann, the eminence grise behind the Balfour Declaration, state tat “whenever the number of Jews in any society exceeds the saturation point, that society reacts against them? Did he not further state that “this is a universal law of history and cannot be confused with anti-Semitism in the ordinary and vulgar sense?” Did not Jacob Klatzkin, the Zionist and editor of the Jewish Encyclopaedia, state that the anti-Semites were right and that Jews were an alien force in gentile life? Did not Herzl himself state that Zionism could only achieve its aims through collaboration with gentile governments who wished to be rid of their Jewish populations? Did not Adolf Hitler model his definition of Jewishness on the definition formulated by the German Zionist rabbis, Joaquim Prinz and Leo Baeck? With a background like this and such documented statements to their credit, how can contemporary Zionists now say that “Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism”? They can do it for the same reason that they once said that there were no Arabs in Palestine, the same way that they deny Jewish commissars and the same way they affirm fictional “gas chambers”.
The Jews are a people of the lie. They can tell lies like “Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism” because no one will stand up to them. Fear of Jewish political and economic power trumps truth. Woe to he who would impeach them with their own documented statements.
wilburr,
“Gee, Ronnie Cunt Face, those very enlightened Jews in the country you adore were drenching a shiksa whore reporter with spit! Just what you would like to do to me, no doubt”
i don’t know anyone besides yourself that would call the ultra orthodox jews of jerusalem “very enlightened.”
In fact, the “Jewesses always screaming about sex discrimination in Israel” and here direct their screams at the ultra orthodox.
I would never spit on you, you are the poster boy for the “holocaust hoax,” the “evolution hoax” the “911 hoax” the “snivel rights hoax” and the “feminist hoax.”
You’re a holocaust museum exhibit on ignorance, intolerance and hatred. Spitting on you would be sacrilege.
Hey Wilburrr,
Here are some “Jewesses” that would like to “talk” to you about your views on feminism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVz6d24Q52c&feature=related
http://www.temple.edu/jewishstudies/courses/Temple%20–%20Syllabus%20–%20Secular%20Promised%20Lands%20–%20Winter%2006.doc
Go back to school, boys.
http://www.natvan.com/pub/2000/050600.txt
The meaning of it all - for dip shit Ronnie Boy.
Good news Wilbur!
Demjanjuk indicted on over 27,000 counts of accessory to murder - in Germany.
May I suggest you appear in his defense. You can explain to the Germans that the holocaust was all a hoax - ya know like evolution - and that “the day of reckoning of the Jewish people worldwide shall come, and the price in blood shall far exceed the mythical six million.”
Oh, and show em that nifty web page from natvan - America’s #1 source for Nazi porn!
Good luck apeman
http://www.knology.net/~bilrum/johnpepp.htm
What would Communist Barack Obama think of this?
President Obama would think it was posted by the kind of moron who doesn’t know the difference between renting and owning, or that Transjordan had an outlet to the sea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8LmMtScH3g
A little present for Ron.
Lame-o (aryan chicks’ thighs are waaaay too big - master race my foot!)
Now this is a present:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1FHvsuMzAc
Aha Wilbur!
Well, now we know why you’re writing about Israel so much, especially Israeli abortion law, and why you haven’t posted any bloviations lately:
New details emerged on Tuesday on the remarkable fugitive life led by US white supremacist, Micky Louis Mayon, 33, one of America’s 100 most wanted criminals and a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Mayon was arrested in a hippy youth hostel in Tel Aviv, he chose Israel as a refuge from American law enforcement, starting a relationship with a Jewish woman, whom he reportedly impregnated while staying in the country.
Oh boy you’re busted! Wait til the guys at National Alliance hear about this hehehehe
No, Ronnie Asshole, I don’t pay any attention to Mayon, anymore than I pay any attention to the late Irv Rubin and the other thugs and goons of the JDL and JDO. Why should I? Here is a little brain teaser for you.
THE “EXTERMINATION” OF THE JEWS IN RUSSIA
The Jews always claim that their brethren were exterminated en masse in Russia. Yet the German records that have survived tell a much different story. The records show the Germans moving the Jews constantly from camp to camp, from one location to another location. There are probably two reasons for this. First, the Jews were moved about as labor needs required. Second, as the Red Army began its advances westward in 1943, it would have been necessary to evacuate the Jews ahead of the Soviet offensives. Indeed, this is precisely what did happen. Again and again, Jews in the occupied eastern territories were moved back to camps in Poland and Germany in the latter stages of the war. Clearly, the majority of Jews were still alive and were still needed for labor. Had the Germans been exterminating Jews in the east, the constant shifting of locations would have been totally senseless. An extermination can be conducted as easily at one location as at any other.
It is often claimed that the Germans burned the bodies of their shooting victims in Russia to destroy the evidence. What an interesting contrast this forms with the Soviet execution of the 22,000 Polish officers collectively known as Katyn. In that case the Communists dumped all the bodies into trenches where most of the bodies lie, preserved to this day in the clay. Why were the Germans so careful to destroy the evidence of their crimes while the Communists were careless to preserve the evidence of theirs? Had the Germans actually burned the bodies as claimed, they would have been using up badly needed petroleum for their tanks. Nor would burning have destroyed the bones. Thus, the whole process would have been futile.
There were very clearly large numbers of Jews still alive in Russia after the war. This is attested to by Army reports in Germany after the war attesting to a vast migration of Jews out of Russia westward into Poland and Germany and southward through the Balkans. Moreover, the Communist governments throughout Iron Curtain Europe were top heavy with Jewish commissars. Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Rumania all had Jewish controlled Communist dictatorships. Clearly, these Jewish Communists all came from the Jews in Russia who either were still alive under German occupation or who had been deported east of the Ural Mountains to work in the huge Soviet arms industries. When one adds to these the Jews who had left Germany and Austria-Hungary prior to the war, the ones who fled to Palestine after the war and the ones still resident in Western Europe, the fiction of an extermination of Europe’s Jews is decisively refuted.
Before you go squawking that this from David Duk’s website, the essay is written by someone else. It only appears on Duke’s website. The documentation is very thorough. If you read it, you may even learn that I’m right.
http://www.davidduke.com/
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=239
The difference between a real genocide and the “gas chamber” nonsense. What happened to the Irish was a lot worse - and a lot more real - than what happened to the Jews.
Wilbur
“The Jews always claim that their brethren were exterminated en masse in Russia.”
This is your most shockingly stupid revisionist claim yet. Congrats! Of course, partial credit goes to David Duck for hosting it.
This even beats your earlier stupid claims that Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea, that the JNF owns a majority of land in Israel, that income taxes were a jewish plot after WW1, and that the steel in the World Trade Center was never investigated.
Ronnie Stupid Fuck:
What fantasy world are you floating around in today? If you consult Hilberg, Reitlinger or any other Holocaust historian, they always claim that the German regular forces and Einzatsgruppen were mass liquidating Jews in Russia. Indeed, now they even claim that as many or more were shot by the Germans in the east as were killed in the supposed “gas chambers”. So what are you babbling about now, Dick head?
I note that none of the points about the Jews being moved about in Russia to accomodate labor needs was addressed. The usual irrelevant nonse. Since you can’t think or write anything intelligent, why don’t you jerk off on the comments section? You’ll feel better, dumb ass.
http://72.14.178.116/holocaust-hoax
Since you have a cartoon level brain, Ronnie, let’s reduce the entire issue to a cartoon you can understand.
Wilburrr
You keep changing what you’re saying.
First it was “The Jews always claim that their brethren were exterminated en masse in Russia.” Then it became “they always claim that the German regular forces and Einzatsgruppen were mass liquidating Jews in Russia” Then it turned into “now they even claim that as many or more were shot by the Germans in the east.”
It sounds alot like you don’t know what they’re claiming.
What the Einsatzgruppen’s own reports claim, is that they were responsible for the mass shooting deaths primarily in the baltic region, and in belarus, the ukraine, and to a lesser extent in the caucasus and parts of russia. In total roughly 1m -1.5m jews were murdered according to Einsatzgruppen reports - mostly outside russia.
Instead of getting your information from cartoons and David Duck, you might want to check out what the einsatzgruppen themselves had to say about their activities.
Ronnie lie Shit:
There is no contradiction in any of nmy statements, they are all perfectly consistent. The contradiction is only in your fucked up brain. The Holocaust story has changed, again and again. Thus, your side first pretended that Jews were being “gassed” in Germany; then they were being “gassed” at Auschwitz in Poland; then they were being massacred by the Einzatsgruppen in Russia. None of the claims are true.
If you are really dumb enough to believe that a German force of only three thousand, inckluding administrative personnel could have killed 1.5 million Jews in Russia, then you know nothing about the actual logistics of such operations. You ignore that the victors had control of the records after the war and could have inserted all kinds of exaggerated kill totals to make their claims look good. You also ignore that the Einzatsgruppen reports you quote are the reports in Berlin; they cannot be compared with the field reports to the commanders in Russia because those have conveniently “disappeared” (Guess why, dick head.).
My point that the Germans were moving the Jews around from camp to camp to meet shifting labor needs remains unrebutted. No army carrying out an “extermination” program would have had any need of such transfer of Jews from camp to camp. An army manipulating a captive labor force would have done precisely that. As usual Ronnie, you are too dumb to think. And where are all your compatriots who seem to have given up the ghost? I guess they have to rely upon a turd brain like yours to confuse, distort and obfuscate.
ASSHOLE HEAD COCKSUCKER!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA&feature=PlayList&p=E70D7443F95C7924&index=1&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
I’m working on a video about how extreme mainstream media is including the tricks used when covering of key domestic issues like health care.
But this video is a response to the trick repeatedly used against this channel in channel comments. It’s the the standard tactic of calling someone “anti-Semitic,” and its used to sabotage anyone who speaks out against the US government policy of supporting immoral and illegal Israeli policies which violate basic human rights. And as you can see, this person suggests using a new word for the same old trick.
Amy Goodman interviews a former Israeli minister and she helps expose this trick used against dissidents, the defamation tactic of calling people “anti-Semitic.”
http://i4.democracynow.org/2002/8/14/stream
Wilburrrrrrr,
I never said a German force of only three thousand could have killed 1.5 million Jews in Russia. You keep saying “russia” and then arguing your own stupid, made up claim about “russia” is wrong.
I said your stupid, self-created claim is wrong, (and keeps changing from “russia” to “the east”) and that the Einsatzgruppen’s own reports claim roughly 1m-1.5m jews killed PRIMARILY in the baltics, belarus, and ukraine.
Not Russia. Jeez for a master race you aryans sure are dumb.
Oooooooooh, I forgot! You’re the idiot who doesn’t know basic geography, and thought “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea.”
You see WIlburrrrrrrr, Russia is not the same thing as Poland. Russia is not the same place as Latvia. Russia is not the same place as the Ukraine.
They are near each other - and your a good boy for finding that general area on the map (Good boy Wilbur!) but they are not the same place as Russia.
Good boy though, keep at it!
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/11/Jewish_mafia_Poland.html
More enlightened Jewish behavior - as documented by an Israeli historian of Jewish crime, Ronnie Scmuck sucker.
Dear Ronnie Dumb Ass:
I recall that when Harrison Salisbury, the New York Times correspondent, was confronted on Bill Buckley’s old Firing Line program with a Ukrainian documentary film on the great famine of 1932-1933 that killed seven to ten million, he ccould only babble about the geographical boundaries of “Ukraine”. The issue here, penis brain, is not whether the Jews were killed in the Baltics, Ukraine, White Russia, Poland or any other part of the occipied east (including south Russia),; the issue is whether they were killed at all, for the reasons already stated.
Now, unless you wish to join the newspaper of Walter Duranty as a professional liar, stick with the point.
“The issue here, penis brain, is not whether the Jews were killed in the Baltics, Ukraine, White Russia, Poland or any other part of the occipied east (including south Russia),; the issue is whether they were killed at all,”
Whether they were killed at all? Looks like you answered your own question here:
“I clearly stated that the true number of Jewish deathe in WW2 was between 1-2 million, including many Jews shot in Russia. I have not deviated from that position since this discussion began. I hold to it now.” - john thames on 21 April 2009
Looks like you think they were killed. Or does Andrew Johnson deny that Wilbur ever said something like that while pretending to be John Thames?
“The only Einsatzgruppen reports that have survived are the reports by the commanders to the authorities back in Berlin. The field reports by the soldiers in the field back to their commanders have conveniently disappeared. Thus, there is no way to compare the field reports with the Berlin reports. One suspects that the field reports would give much lower figures than reports carefully edited to impress the authorities several thousand miles away. ” - john thames on 9 May 2009
Another interesting admission from you. In an attempt to deflate the numbers reported by Einsatzgruppen you admit that commanders would have inflated the number of Jews they murdered to impress leadership in Berlin. If endlosung der judenfrage wasn’t the extermination of the Jews, why would they do this?
What was the incentive for them to pretend they had killed more Jews then they actually had? Did they experience some sort of difficulty slaughtering women and children? Something that would make their bosses say, “I’m going to replace you with someone who really knows how to kill Jews.” if they failed to “impress the authorities” in Berlin?
Fangbeer, you’re wasting your time. John Thames is a sick little Nazi maggot whose meagre excuse for a brain is set on a default setting that rejects facts, evidence and logic. You can knock down his puerile arguments, expose his distortions, and show what an inbred cracker he is. It will make no difference.
Leave him to his twisted little fantasies. It doesn’t look like he has much else to enjoy in his life.
Wilburrrrr,
“The issue here . . . is not whether the Jews were killed in the Baltics, Ukraine, White Russia, Poland or any other part of the occipied east.”
You’re wrong. That is the only issue. You came to your ridiculous conclusion based on a mistaken fact you just invented out of thin air. You made up a false claim when you said:
“The Jews always claim that their brethren were exterminated en masse in Russia.”
No Jews claim that, only you do. When I pointed out the premise for your argument is factually wrong, you start using profanities, and wiggle away by referring to some old interview and some new york times reporter.
I know why your angry and always writing lewd profanities, you don’t like being shown how stupid you are. Can’t help you there.
“Fangbeer, you’re wasting your time.”
I wouldn’t say that. John’s psychosis has been very instructive. I’m just getting something different then you’d expect out of it.
Fangbeer,
Don’t be too hard on old Wilbur, it’s tough saying so many dumb things, under so many names, on different websites, he was bound to trip over himself.
I just realized something, Ron. John doesn’t know what en masse means. I’d be willing to bet that he thinks it means in large amounts, not: as one body or together as a whole.
I think I’ll buy John a thesaurus and send it to him next V-E day. At least we could expect some growth in the quality of his insults. Not that I expect the bar to be set too high in that regard, but growth is growth.
Fangbeer,
Hehe Holocaust deniers like john thames are ridiculously stupid - I mean off the scales dumb - and no amount of literature will help. So, go ahead.
I also like reading his comments - he’s a trainwreck - I can’t stop myself. He’s just full of anger, ignorance, and a complete lack of common sense. It’s good to confirm that about him and his sources.
FLIGHT FROM THE TRUTH
It has been a standard Zionist propaganda myth for many years that the Palestinian Arabs fled voluntarily during the 1948 war on the orders of their leaders. This fiction is still occasionally heard, although far less frequently than in bygone decades. There is much useful information on this particular legend in David Gilmour’s book, “The Dispossessed: The Ordeal of the Palestinian, 1917-1980”. On p.67 he writes: “…not one piece of evidence was ever produced to substantiate the allegations…Attempts to establish the truth in this matter were made independently by two scholars in the 1950’s, Dr. Whalid Khalidi and Dr. Erskine Childers. Childers went to Israel in 1958 as a guest of the government and tried to find evidence of the broadcasts. As the Israelis were unable to produce it, he decided to examine the American and British monitoring records of all Middle East broadcasts throughout 1948. He reported ‘There was not a single order, or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from Palestine from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine, in 1948. There is repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put.’”
In 1979, Yitzhak Rabin recounted the following conversation with Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion at the time of the expulsion of the Arab cities of Lydda and Ramle during 1948:
“We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question: ‘What is to be done with the population? BG waved his hand in a gesture which said, ‘Drive them out’…The population of Lod (Hebrew word for Lydda) did not leave willingly. There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march the ten to fifteen miles to the point where they met up with the Legion.”
Finally, it is worth quoting an honest Jew, Nathan Chofoshi, writing in the “Jewish Newsletter” of February 9, 1959, responding to a Rabbi Mordechai Kaplan who parroted the official line of a voluntary Arab flight.
“If Rabbi Kaplan really wanted to know what happened, we old Jewish settlers in Palestine who witnessed the flight could tell him how and in what manner we, Jews, forced the Arabs to leave cities and villages which they did not want to leave of their own free will. Some of them were driven out by force of arms; others were made to leave by deceit, lying and false promises. It is enough to cite the cities of Jaffa, Lydda, Ramle, Beersheeba, Acre, from among numberless others…We came and turned the Arabs into tragic refuges. And still we dare slander and malign them, to besmirch their name; instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did, and trying to undo some of the evil we committed, we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them.” (pp.67-74)
The case is closed. The Jews lied about a voluntary flight of the Arab population the same way they lied about German “gas chambers”. Their lies shall one day return to haunt them.
The usual dialectical horseshit, I see. Once again, comments about my non-existent psychological problems and twist think logic as a substitute for real logic.
The Germans shot a lot of Jews in Russia; they did not exterminate all the Jews deported to the east. This is shown by the fact that too many Jews were still alive after the war, and the fact that the Germans were constantly moving Jews from camp to camp to meet labor needs. Those two points stand unrebutted.
The Einzatzgruppen reports in Berlin were unquestionably altered while in the hands of the victors after the war and exaggerated kill totals were interpolated into the documents. Otto Ohlendorf repudiated his original testimony as politically motivated and denounced the alleged kill totals as beyond the realm of possibility - a conclusion that is still valid. Soldiers routinely exaggerate kill totals in war. Just look at alleged American kill totals in Vietnam, for example. Of course the German security forces were going to try to show that they were doing an excellent job of wiping out partisans. That has nothing to do with killing every Jew deported to the east.
It is nice to see anus brain Welch back. He is the same turd brained idiot as always.
TEXE MARRS ~ HOLOCAUST DOGMA UNMASKED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OhAuwAyU8w&feature=player_embedded
Claims about “Holocaust Deniers”
They deny that Jews were persecuted - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that Jews were deported - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny the Jews were herded into ghettos - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny the existence of concentration camps - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that Jews were put to forced labor - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny the existence of crematoria in concentration camps - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons: epidemics, malnutrition, diseases, mistreatment - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that other minorities were also persecuted as well, such as gypsies and political dissenters - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that the treatment of the Jews was unjust - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny the victims their dignity - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny the victims to be remembered - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny to show compassion for the victims - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;
They deny that there was a plan to murder all Jews - This is what they claim.
They deny that Jews were murdered systematically - This is what they claim.
They deny the existence of gas chambers for mass murder - This is what they claim.
They deny that six million Jews died in the Holocaust - This is what they claim.
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=5102
Nice stuff.
“The Germans shot a lot of Jews in Russia; they did not exterminate all the Jews deported to the east.”
Who was it that claimed that they killed all the Jews deported to the east? Oh. That was you.
This is what is known as a straw man argument. You started by saying that the Jews always claim that they were exterminated “en masse” in Russia. This is not something that Jews always claim. This is something that you claimed. But that didn’t stop you from pressing on like a trooper.
You then said that the question was whether any Jews were killed in Russia at all. Clearly you weren’t denying that any Jews were killed in Russia. You were “just asking questions,” right? I know this because your next statement was that lots of Jews were killed in Russia. You wrap up by proving your point that not all the Jews were killed in Russia.
Good work there, John. You succeeded in twisting yourself into a pretzel.
“Of course the German security forces were going to try to show that they were doing an excellent job of wiping out partisans.”
Partisans typically shoot back. Partisans typically aren’t women, children, and elderly. Partisans typically don’t go willingly into the forest, dig their own graves, and then graciously wait to be shot in the head.
Han said: “They deny that Jews were persecuted.”
John said: “As to Mr. Welch’s claims that the rounding up of Europe’s Jews for forced labor is inconsistent with the fact that children and the infirm were deported as well, the explanation is very simple. The Germans did not want to break up families; therefore the children were deported with their parents. How very inhumane!”
Han said, “They deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights”
Many of your statements center around the above. We don’t think you deny them. We think you revel in them. We think you believe it was right to deprive them of their civil rights. We think you want to hang them all on a cross and put your balls in their mouths or some such. I can’t remember exactly how that statement went.
Oh. here it is.
John said: “I do not believe for one second that the Germans killed “six million” of your stinking tribe. But if the day ever comes for “Payback” you pink, circumsized piece of greasy pork, I, and millions of other whites who finally know the truth, will hunt you down and nail your kosher ass to a crucifix with your amputated balls stuffed between your circumsized lips. You deserve it, and so do millions of others of your satanic tribe.”
Hans said: “They deny that the treatment of the Jews was unjust - WRONG. They do NOT deny this;”
See above. He said “You deserve it, and so do millions of others of your satanic tribe.”
I think you should get your stories straight, John and Han. John doesn’t know whether lots of Jews or no Jews were killed in Russia, and Han didn’t read past the mission statement in the revisionist union handbook.
CLOSING THE CURTAIN ON CARRIE DELMAR
A Jewess art critic, Carrie Delmar, is objecting to a Los Angeles Opera Company performance of Richard Wagner’s Ring Cycle. According to Miss Delmar Wagner, the author of the notorious essay “Judaism in Music” was therefore a founding father of the mythical Holocaust, the non-extermination of six million Jews in unicorn like “gas chambers”. One wonders whether Miss Delmar would argue that Winston Churchill should be written out of the history books because he once wrote an infamous newspaper article blaming Jews for communist revolution in Russia, Germany and Hungary. Or perhaps Voltaire, Diderot and D’Holbach should be deleted from the history of the French Enlightenment because they were all die-hard anti-Semites. Martin Luther obviously deserves to be expelled from the Lutheran church because of his well-known essay, “The Jews and Their Lies”. Walt Disney movies should never be shown because their creator disliked Jewish communist agitators working in his studios. Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy should be stigmatized with the swastika and banned.
It would be idle to point out to the scholarly Miss Delmar that Richard Wagner had many devoted Jewish admirers and collaborators during his lifetime. Thus, from Geoffrey Wheatcroft’s informative book, “The Controversy of Zion” we learn that the Jew Heinrich Porges was Wagner’s chief assistant at Bayreuth, that the Jew Angelo Neumann toured Wagner’s operas, that the Jew Joseph Rubenstein was Wagner’s pianist in residence, that the Jew Carl Tausig made a piano arrangement of “Die Meistersinger” and that the Jew Herman Levi conducted the first performance of Parsifal”, the Christian search for the Holy Grail. In Miss Delmar’s demented mind, these Jewish admirers and collaborators with Richard Wagner must have been in the same category as Billy Wilder, the Viennese Jew who made “The Spirit of Saint Louis”, glorifying the same Charles Lindberg who blamed the tribe for pushing America into war against Adolf Hitler.
If every artist is to be banned because of personal defects and insensitivities, then what becomes of Pablo Picasso, who put out lighted cigarettes by pressing the butts against the faces of women? While Miss Delmar might love to ban Mel Gibson the same way she wishes to ban Richard Wagner, would she ban the movies of other Hollywood stars because of their sex tapes, their drug use and their extra-marital affairs? Would she even propose to ban such classic Hollywood fare as “Spartacus”, “Lawrence of Arabia” and “West Side Story” because of their provably communist screenwriters, directors and creators? Carrie Delmar undoubtedly thinks she is helping to combat anti-Semitism by trying to stigmatize Wagner’s Ring Cycle. In reality, she is fueling anti-Semitism. She is asserting that Jewish sensitivities are the standard which overrides artistic merit. A cycle of operas that have dazzled the world since they were first performed must now be sanitized and “explained” before a decontaminated public is allowed to listen to them.
If Carrie Delmar wishes to demonstrate that anti-Semites are correct about Jewish arrogance and power, she could hardly have “chosen” a better way to prove the point. Miss Delmar should concern herself less with the performances of operas of which she disapproves and more with the death, misery and suffering of the inmates of Gaza. Otherwise, the climactic words of “Pagliacci”, “Ah, sei tu! Ben venga!” (“It is you! Welcome!”) may acquire more than symbolic import.
STALIN”S JEWS
“Stalin: The Court Of The Red Tsar” by Simon Sebag Montefiore contains some very revealing information on the real position of the Jews in the Bolshevik murder machine. Unlike some authors Montefiore, himself Jewish, does not try to camouflage the very prominent role that the communist Jews played in Stalin’s regime and Lenin’s after the revolution. Many of Montefiore’s comments are astute. On pp. 304-305 he writes:
“He (Stalin) was always suspicious because the Jews lacked a homeland which made them ‘mystical, intangible, otherworldly’. Yet Kaganovich insisted that Stalin’s view was formed by the Jewishness of his enemies – Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev. On the other hand, most of the women around him and many of his closest collaborators, from Yagoda to Mekhlis, were Jewish. The difference is obvious: he hated the intellectual Trotzky but had no problem with the cobbler Kaganovich.
Stalin was aware that his regime had to stand against anti-Semitism and we find in his notes a reminder to give a speech about it: he called it ‘cannibalism’, made it a criminal offense, and regularly criticized anti-Semites. Stalin founded a Jewish homeland, Birobizhan, on the inhospitable Chinese border but boasted, ‘The Tsar gave the Jews no land, but we will.’
Yet nationality always mattered in Soviet politics, however internationalist the Party claimed to be. There was a high proportion of Jews, along with Georgians, Poles and Letts, in the Party because these were among the persecuted minorities of Tsarist Russia. In 1937, 5.7 percent of the Party was Jews yet they formed a majority in the government. Lenin himself (who was partly Jewish by ancestry) said that if the Commissar was Jewish, the deputy should be Russian. Stalin followed this rule.
Stalin was an anti-Semite by most definitions but until after the war, it was more a Russian mannerism than a dangerous obsession. He was never a biological racist like the Nazis. However, he disliked any nationality that threatened loyalty to the multinational USSR. He embraced the Russian people not because he rejected his own Georgian origins but for precisely the same reason: the Russians were the foundation and the cement of the Soviet Union. But after the war, the creation of Israel, the increased self-consciousness among Soviet Jews and the Cold War with America combined with his old prejudice to turn Stalin into a murderous anti-Semite.
Stalin’s diplomatic Terror was designed to appeal to Hitler. ‘Purge the ministry of Jews,’ he said. ‘Clean out the synagogue.’ ‘Thank God for those words,’ Molotov (married to a Jewess) explained. ‘Jews formed an absolute majority and many ambassadors…’”
One of the more remarkable chapters in Momtefiore’s biography of Stalin is Chapter 24 entitled “Stalin’s Jewesses and the Family in Danger”. Montefiore disposes of the fiction that Stalin married Kaganovich’s sister Rosa but leaves no doubt of his numerous liaisons with the Chosen:
“Stalin was surrounded by Jewesses – from Polina Molotava and Maria Svanidze to Poskrebyusheva and Yezhova. Beria’s son, reliable on gossip, dubious on politics, recalled that his father gleefully listed Stalin’s affairs with Jewesses.
These pretty young Jewesses fluttered around Stalin but they were all of ‘dubious origins’.”
Innumerable commissars had Jewish wives. Molotov has already been mentioned in this regard. Stalin’s son, Yakov, was married to a Jewess named Julia. The secret police chief, Yezhov, was married to the Jewess Yevgenia Feigenberg; Poskrebyshev, Stalin’s chief of etiquette was married to the Jewess Bronislava Metalikov. Everywhere the Jewish element surrounded Stalin at the height of his power. Stalin did indeed turn on the Jews but only at the very end of his reign. He installed them as the chief commissars of the terrorized iron curtain countries, 1945-1950. The names are familiar to all students of the subject. Only when Soviet Jews began showing their repressed Zionist inclinations following the creation of Israel in 1948 did Stalin begin moving against the Jews. “Stalin: The Court Of The Red Tsar” goes a long way toward explaining what Stalin’s attitude toward the Jews really was. Aside from the wealth of detail that the book contains, that is the chief reason for reading it.
John…beautiful stuff.
Your point on Wagner’s Ring Cycle could not have been presented better.
Now, to Fung:
You are a dullard - please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between JT and I - it’s like trying not to see a fucking huge fat ass walk into an ice cream parlour.
I see that you’ve no comment on the video - are you still rubbibg out a batch, you insensitive prick?
I see Han took my advice and picked up a thesaurus. Han, you might want to pair that thesaurus with a dictionary. It might have helped to spare you the embarrassment of an attempt to call someone puerile in the same in the same run on sentence that you compare them to a “fucking huge fat ass.”
Yet another tirade of John’s is based on a false premise.
John, that was a whole lot of commentary on a position of Ms. Delmar’s that you completely invented. For someone who claims to be a historian you would think you’d make the effort to spell people’s names correctly, get the names of books correct, and have the ability to retell a story that’s in the public domain for everyone to read. But, as always, you fail us yet again.
One only need search on her real name “Carie Delmar” to find the article that you are referencing to find this:
“Los Angeles will celebrate Wagner as no other city in the world can.” That’s what the Los Angeles Opera website forecasts for Ring Festival LA. But that is a bad idea.
Richard Wagner remains one of the greatest composers the world has ever known. But he was a rabid anti-Semite.
I think that people should listen to and appreciate his music. He was a genius. But I do not want to be a part of any celebration that will glorify the man.”
She didn’t object to a performance of his work. She objected to a festival in his honor. Ring festival LA is not a work of Wagner’s. It’s a celebration of the man. She did not want to ban his works, or write him out of the history books. She just expressed her opinion that he was scum.
http://www.operaonline.us/carie_wagner.htm
Another sock puppet of John’s
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/07/ring-festival-los-angeles-mike-antonovich.html
Posted by: H. Smith | July 23, 2009 at 05:27 PM
A JEWISH STATE – WHO, US?
One of the most constantly repeated themes in the history of Zionism is the mantra that the state of Israel has a “right to exist”. Just why it has a “right to exist” is never clearly explained. However, the student of things Zionist quickly discovers that there was a time when Zionism disavowed any intention of creating a Jewish state in Palestine. From David Gilmour’s enormously informative volume “Dispossessed: The Ordeal of the Palestinians, 1917-1980” we read the following:
“In a telegram sent to an associate at the beginning of 1919, Weizmann expressed the hope that ‘the whole administration of Palestine shall be so formed as to make of Palestine a Jewish commonwealth under British trusteeship.’ Unfortunately the telegram was seen by Lord Curzon who asked:
‘What is a commonwealth? I turn to my dictionaries and find it there defined:’a state,’ ‘a body politic’, ‘an independent community’, ‘a republic’…What then is the good of shutting our eyes to the fact that this is what the Zionists are after, and that the British trusteeship is a mere screen behind which to work for this end? And the case is rendered not the better but the worse if Weizmann says this sort of thing to his friend but sings to a different tune in public.”
On the same day Curzon wrote to Balfour: ‘I feel tolerably sure that while Weizmann may say one thing to you, or while you may mean one thing by a national home, he is out for something quite different. He contemplates a Jewish state, a Jewish nation, a subordinate population of Arabs, etc., ruled by Jews; the Jews in possession of the fat of the land, and directing the administration.’
This was a conclusion shared by other politicians and officials. As the chief administrator at the beginning of the mandate, General Sir Louis Bols, complained: ‘It is manifestly impossible to please partisans who officially claim nothing more than a national home but in reality will be satisfied with nothing less than a Jewish state and all that it politically implies.’
If this, then, was the Zionists aim, what role did they envisage for the inhabitants of the country, the Palestinians? Again, once the foliage of deliberate deception is cleared away, the answer becomes obvious. Weizmann, momentarily losing control of his emotions, once told an English audience that Palestine shall be as Jewish as England is English, or America is American. And how would this effect the Palestinians? Herzl had already supplied the answer twenty years or so previously: the Zionists would ‘gently expropriate’ Arab property and ‘try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country.’
‘Spiriting’ or expelling the native population across the border was also high on Weizmann’s agenda. In 1931 he explained to the high commissioner in Jerusalem that he wanted to settle the Palestinians in Transjordan; seven years later, when the Peel commission recommended handing over Galilee with its Arab majority to a Jewish state, Weizmann told the colonial secretary that he would help to move the Arabs out of Galilee and across the river Jordan.
Some Zionists were even blunter than this, at least to each other. Joseph Weitz, who was in charge of Jewish colonizing activities, wrote in 1940:
‘Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country…We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs…And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe should be left.” 0pp.39-41)
Thus, we see that the Zionists who, in public, claimed only a Jewish “national home” in Palestine were privately more than candid in their intent to dispossess every Arab in the holy land. Perhaps the Jews who claim that those who advocate peace with the Palestinians secretly wish to exterminate the Jews should learn to be more indulgent of those who emulate their own methods.
The usual nitpicking nonsense.
We all know that there is a huge difference between performing the works of Wagner and glorifying Wagner.(And what better way to glorify the man than by perfotming the “Ring” cycle?) As for “Los Angeles will celebrate Wagner as no other city in the world can” I think that is pretty clearly a reference to the man’s music, Fangfuck. Come on.
“I think that is pretty clearly a reference to the man’s music, Fangfuck. Come on.”
Then you don’t know how to read. It’s all right there in the article. Los Angeles was having a festival in his honor and she didn’t think the man should be honored. One clue that you’re wrong is that she states quite clearly and repeatedly that she’s not talking about his music. Another clue is that she states that she thinks everyone should listen to his music. This isn’t nitpicking. This is yet another illustration of you inventing a fantasy and backing it with something that clearly doesn’t support your fantasy.
I’m somewhat amused by the obscurity of the argument. It seems to be a common theme with you. You found an article written by a single women that doesn’t like Wagner’s antisemitism, and you try to use that to support your twisted view of how all Jews behave.
Somehow I forgot to type something that was in my head in this sentence.
You found an article written by a single women that doesn’t like Wagner’s antisemitism, and even that you have to misrepresent in order for itt to support your twisted view of how all Jews behave.
THE REAL FACE OF THE JEW
Anyone acquainted with the true nature of Israeli democracy can only laugh at the claims of its apologists. It is about as “democratic” as the former Soviet Union. A good example is its Law of Acquisition of Absentee Property designed to provide a rationale for the confiscation of Arab land following the 1948 war. This law gave the Zionist state the right to:
“confiscate all Arab land unless the owners could first produce documentary evidence showing that land was actually theirs and secondly prove that they had not left their place of residence between 29 September 1947 and 1 September 1948 to go anywhere outside Jewish control. As most of the land was never registered but was farmed by families through hereditary right, it was obviously impossible for many people to prove that they were the owners. Furthermore, as is normally the case in wartime and was particularly so in this war, many people did leave their places of residence; and, since they were Arabs, it was natural that they fled to areas controlled by the other Arabs. According to Israeli law, they thus became absentees even if they never left the area which later became Israel.
An even better example of the bogus nature of Zionist democracy is the operation of the Jewish National Fund, the Keren Kayemet, founded in London at the time of the Fourth Zionist Congress. According to David Gilmour in “The Dispossessed: The Ordeal of the Palestinians, 1917-1980”:
“The Constitution of the Jewish Agency, for example, declared that ‘it shall be deemed a matter of principle that Jewish labor shall be employed (on Agency property)’; land was leased by the Jewish National Fund on condition that it was cultivated ‘only with Jewish labour’, and the Palestine Foundation Fund insisted that their settlers ‘hire Jewish workmen only’. Even in private Jewish businesses Arab labour was usually boycotted. In March 1949 the “Jewish Frontier” announced that ‘unemployment among the Jews at the end of 1938 was much reduced owing to the replacement of Arab labour in plantations, increased security measures and public works…This year for the first time only Jewish workers are employed on in Jewish-owned orange groves. Arnold Toynbee had forseen this several years previously.’ All the Palestinian land which is purchased by the Jewish funds is becoming…an exclusive preserve for the Jews,’ he told an audience at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in 1931. ‘You see what this means,’ he continued. ‘It means what is called in South Africa segregation.’…
One of the leading socialist pioneers of Zionism, David Hacohen, recalls with shame how, in the early years of the mandate, he had:
“to defend (to my English and other friends) the fact that I would not accept Arabs in my trade union the Histadrudt; to defend preaching to housewives that they not buy at Arab stores; to defend the fact that we stood guard at orchards to prevent Arab workers from getting jobs there…To pour kerosene on Arab tomatoes; to attack Jewish housewives in the markets and smash the Arab eggs they had bought; to praise to the skies the Karen Kayemet (Jewish National Fund) that sent Hankin to Beirut to buy land from absentee effendis and to turn the fellahin off the land – to buy dozens of dunums from an Arab is permitted, but to sell, God forbid, one Jewish dunum to an Arab is prohibited; to take Rothschild, the very incarnation of capitalism, as a socialist and to name him the ‘benefactor’ – to do all that was not easy. And despite the fact that we did it – maybe we had no choice – I wasn’t happy about it.’” (Pp. 45-47)
It would be possible to multiply the examples ad infinitum. But that would serve no purpose. Israel, from pre-statehood days to present, has been the antithesis of every liberal democratic principle that Jews preach to the west. Since it is hardly possible that Jews do not know what goes on in their real country, it therefore follows that Israel represents the real face of the Jew. The liberal democratic principles are merely the façade, the mask, behind which the Jew makes war on the white peoples of the west.
Fangfuck:
Eat shit or swallow the facts, as you prefer.
Poor, pathetic Fangfuck of the fine distinctions:
Wagner’s Ring is being financed by LA Jews. New York and Israeli Jews perform his music. So where did I say all Jews agree with Miss Delmar? Since you like to point out grammatical errors, woman is singular, not plural, grammar head.
I notice that there have been no rebuttals to my abundantly documented essays. Even anus brain Welch is no longer accusing me of pseudo-scholarhip. I guess the documented facts are just too mucjh.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-film-israel-does-not-want-you-to-see-rachel/
No, Pathetic Fangfuck, I do not say all Jews behave the same. Here is an example of Zionists crushing dissent within the Jewish community. (It’s from an obscure Jewish group, just like that “obscure” Jewish art critic exercising her “obscure” power from afar to intimidate that weak little mouse, the LA Opera.) O, the arguments you use, Fangfuck.
We have to get every little detail right while ignoring the obvious on everything. What a brilliant mind. you have, Fangfuck. It’s like arguing over whether Jews were shot in Poland or Ukraine, instead of grasping the point that the kill totals are phony.
“instead of grasping the point that the kill totals are phony.”
Yeah, it’s that I’m not grasping the point, not that your point is supported with nothing but fallacious evidence.
“Poor, pathetic Fangfuck of the fine distinctions:”
Your entire premise that Jewess critic, Carrie [sic] objected to “a Los Angeles Opera Company performance of Richard Wagner’s Ring Cycle” was false. That’s not a fine distinction. That was the whole point of your piece. And what was that point? It was so that you could make this claim:
“If Carrie [sic] Delmar wishes to demonstrate that anti-Semites are correct about Jewish arrogance and power, she could hardly have “chosen” a better way to prove the point”
The first thing you did was define her as a Jewess. How would this piece be relevant to the discussion if you didn’t try to paint her as both Jewish, and reprehensible? You then went on to say that her behavior (which you had to invent) proves anti-Semites correct. I did not characterize your argument, and you’re a fool for trying to nuance what everyone else here can read for themselves. We can all see that your concern for the arts is phony, your evidence is invented, and your point is false.
“We have to get every little detail right”
You should pay less attention to the little details and start with the big details, John. You’re not getting the big details right. Carie didn’t want to ban the ring cycle. She thinks everyone should enjoy it. She said so in the opinion piece that you referenced but clearly didn’t read. (or didn’t expect US to read) That’s not a little detail. That’s your whole premise. Your whole piece was centered around how horrible she was for wanting to censor art. And clearly she doesn’t want to censor art.
“It’s like arguing over whether Jews were shot in Poland or Ukraine, instead of grasping the point that the kill totals are phony.”
That wasn’t the argument John. You can’t even get something that happen a few weeks ago right. You built a straw man by claiming that the Jews always claim that all the Jews were killed in Russia. Your claim was demonstrably false. We took apart the straw man, John. All that beating you tried to land on the straw man only landed on air. Your point then was supported with nothing but air just as your point now is supported on nothing but air.
THE TREBLINKA HOLOHOAX
According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, at Treblinka, the Germans allegedly murdered and buried, then dug up, burned and crushed the bones, and then reburied all the remains of the 870,000 jews into the same “huge mass graves;” thus, they allegedly “obliterated all evidence of their crime.” If you’re unfamiliar with the controversies surrounding this “judicially proven fact,” then it’s imperative that before you read any further, you understand the forensic argumentation presented in this link HERE:
“This is the biggest cemetery of Polish Jewry… There are 870,000 Jews buried in the enormous ditches… Within this area initially, the Jews were buried in enormous pits… Later on, a sort of grill from railroad tracks was built. The corpses were removed and this area served for burning the corpses… Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka - all three of them were utterly eradicated… Both Treblinka and the other camps, once they had fulfilled their task of extermination, were obliterated… Nothing remains - nothing.”
Nothing remains? Who in their right mind could believe that a perfect crime could be committed while murdering 870,000 people? Everyone knows that at every crime scene - EVIDENCE IS LEFT BEHIND: “Cremated remains weigh between three and nine pounds.” In order to believe the orthodox Treblinka holocaust legend, you must believe this: The Germans, by putting a layer of soil over millions of pounds of bone fragments, tens of millions of teeth and tens of thousands of bullets and shell casings somehow, magically - “utterly eradicated” all evidence of their crime!
Utterly eradicated? How about utter nonsense? Why would the Germans go through all that work, knowing full well there would still be millions of pounds of evidence left behind, then put all that incriminating evidence right back into the very graves that they allegedly had just dug all those bodies out of? It’s understandable when a toddler believes that he’s made himself invisible while playing peek-a-boo by covering his eyes, but how do you explain the insanity of the holocaust “scholars” who believe that a layer of soil can make millions of pounds of evidence magically disappear?
So why do the true believers of holocaust orthodoxy continue believing in the absurd magically disappearing jew “theory” even after it’s been proven to be a fraudulent cognitive illusion? Are they truly insane, or is it because they’re just cowards who can’t handle the shrieks of “denier” and anti-Semite hurled at anyone who dares to question this nonsensical dogma? Remember, in virtually every country of Europe, as well as in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and others, you can literally be thrown in prison for refusing to believe the official lies of the alleged “pure extermination centers.” Of course, the feckless cowards who don’t want to know the truth and who lack the character to speak the truth can go about unmolested by the high priests of holocaust orthodoxy in their “free democracies;” But woe to the heretic who dares to ask: So just where exactly are all these alleged “huge mass graves” filled with millions of pounds of bone fragments anyway?
To put this UTTERLY ILLOGICAL FRAUD in perspective, it’s like someone claiming that he could murder every single man, woman and child in Montana and magically not leave a single trace of his crime! Do you see how incredibly easy a little common sense, logic and skeptical inquiry exposes the ludicrous fraud of this classic example of the big-lie technique? Nothing in the world could be easier to prove than the alleged Treblinka holocaust - IF this legend is true. If all the time, money and effort that’s gone into the harassing, arresting, fining and imprisoning of the holocaust heretics went into locating the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka, then this issue would have been settled years ago. Why do you think the jews would rather have people thrown in prison for not believing their nonsensical manufactured history than actually locating the alleged huge mass graves? Why do you think they incessantly lie about the Treblinka holocaust being a proven historical fact, shriek holocaust denier at and refuse to debate anyone with the intelligence and courage to call them on this ridiculous tall-tale? The answer is, of course, because there was no Treblinka holocaust. (This is a classic example of what happens when pseudo-intellectuals become so invested in an idea; after a while, even honest mistakes have to be sustained by ignoring and eventually falsifying the facts.)
Every alleged German “death camp” is best understood when looked at as a holocaust within the holocaust. No matter what anyone thinks about the holocaust per se, one thing is eminently clear - the Treblinka holocaust didn’t happen. To believe that the Germans could “obliterate” all evidence of the murder of 870,000 jews requires incredible gullibility and a lack of intelligence, logic and critical thinking skills. It requires a belief in magic and a rejection of criminology, archeology and forensic science. IF there was a Treblinka holocaust, then there are huge mass graves filled with millions of pounds of evidence to prove it. Until the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka are found - NO mass graves = NO bone fragments / teeth = NO burning of bodies = NO homicidal gas chambers = NO mass murder = NO extermination camp = NO Treblinka holocaust = THE TRUTH – TREBLINKA WAS A TRANSIT CAMP, and the so called gas chambers were, in reality, DELOUSING FACILITIES designed to protect the health and prolong the lives of the shameless liars who fraudulently claimed to be the victims of a genocidal extermination program. Remember, there are only two options: extermination center (for those who believe in magic) or transit camp (for those who believe in the scientific method). There is no third option and only one truth.
NOTE: In 1990, Shmuel Krakowski, the archives director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Center, finally admitted that the “jewish soap” story was a lie. This ludicrous atrocity propaganda had been “proven” at the Nuremberg show trial and staunchly defended as irrefutable historical fact for more than 45 years. In jettisoning this absurdity, the holocaust scholars were no more denying history than someone who refuses to believe the absurd magically disappearing jew “theory.” And they only did it reluctantly. They only admitted the lie because it had become untenable. KRAKOWSKI ADMITTED: “Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny the holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the truth?”
The truth indeed. Historical “truths” are not exempt from the scientific method! It’s time to locate the alleged huge mass graves of Treblinka, or it’s time to admit that THE TREBLINKA HOLOCAUST STORY IS A LIE: “An article re-evaluating Steiner’s book Treblinka recently appeared in the French journal Revue d’histoire de la Shoah. There it was made abundantly plain Treblinka was nothing less than a deliberate attempt to hoodwink the reader into believing the book was a real work of history… Many formerly sympathetic and supportive scholars and journalists now complain bitterly of having been intentionally deceived by Steiner and his novel-as-true-history on the Treblinka concentration camp… What he and others insisted in the book’s Introduction, Preface, and Afterword was a scholarly chronicle of certain tragic events had, in fact, been a melodramatic novel… When he wrote the most important part of his book… Steiner had finally to confess that he relied almost solely on his own imagination.”
RECAP: Despite the fact that it’s been over twenty years since Jean-François Steiner admitted that his fraudulent book Treblinka was purely the product of his imagination, this novel-as-true-history, this falsification / forgery, is still readily available for loan in libraries all across America. And it’s still cataloged under non-fiction! How? Because it is now referred to as a “novelized” historical account! (Welcome to the Alice in Wonderland world of holocaust “scholarship,” where holocaust “history” is what the jews say it is, nothing more - nothing less.) And despite the fact that they have yet to locate / prove the existence of one single grave, one single pound of bone fragments or so much as one single tooth to back up their claim, the holocaust industry wants you to believe that the physically impossible story of the alleged Treblinka holocaust really is true. (Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)
NO GRAVES = NO TREBLINKA HOLOCAUST
GONE WITH THE GAS
The producer, David O. Snoozenick, has just presented his famous film, “Gone With The Gas”, starring the famous “six million”. It is a story of the Old Ghetto, a land of reparations and money. Look for it no more, for it perished in Warsaw. It was a land of learned rabbis and contented Arab slaves, picking oranges in Jaffa. It is now gone with the bulldozer.
“Gone With The Gas” was the immortal creation of Margaret Mermelstein, the plantation owner journalist from Gaza, Georgia. Margaret was famous for romanticizing historical facts, as in literary upgrades of Arab refugee camps. “Gone With The Gas” even has Palestinian cotton farmers marching side-by-side the army of the Jewish National Fund which refused to employ them, even as slaves. While no one can call “Gone With The Gas” accurate history (six million never did add up, ante-bellum or post-Holocaust), it is marvelous fiction. Margaret Mermelstein shall always be remembered for her stirring tale of the catastrophe of the Nazi Holocaust and of the determination of her people. As God was their witness, they would rebuild in Palestine, if they had to lie, steal, cheat or kill, all of which they did.
Fangfuck:
Do you major in epistemology 101? If I am not getting the point about Carie Delmar, so is everyone else writing to the LA Times objecting to her nonsense. Did you bother to read any of the other letters making the same points, penis head?
By the way, just to extend Miss Delmar’s logic so that you can understand it, the next time “Gone With The Wind” plays in the theaters, why not add a fifteen minute “special feature” to the film pointing out that although it is a great movie and everyone should enjoy it, it is nevertheless a vile apologia for a racist civilization. Plus, the leading man, Clark Gable, was a vile anti-semite who hated Jews in general and Louis G. Mayer at MGM in particular. How do I know that, Fangfuck? Because Marcela Rab, the lifelong secretary to either Selznick or Mayer, wrote a book of Hollywood reminiscences where she said so. But she also said that Gable was perfect for the part, regardless.
That should satisfy both Carie Delmar and pettifogger Fangfuck. Now enjoy “Gone With The Gas”, jackass. I won’t even tamper with Max Steiner’s musical score when I release it.
Great essay, Hanover.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2009/240409.html
Confirmation of Dresden dead total. Looks like Judge Gray and Professor Evans got it wrong at the trial. What else did they get wrong?
SOCIALISM ON THE “WOMAN QUESTION”
There are those who think it axiomatic that women should have the vote and equal rights with men in the job market. What these enlightened people do not realize is that equal rights for women has been a socialist party plank since the nineteenth century. Anyone who reads the literature of socialism knows that it was always a fundamental socialist ambition (read: Jewish ambition) to weaken and destroy the family by moving women out of the home into the labor market. Thus, whether one reads the German Marxist philosopher August Bebel, Vladimir Lenin, Klara Zetkin, Karl Marx or dozens of other Marxist ideologues, the granting of voting rights to women, the entry of women into the labor market and most especially, the provision of maternity leave so that pregnancy would not force women to give up their jobs, have all been standard socialist positions from day one. In communist Russia, the joy of socialist labor for women was also mandatory.
This thoroughly evil poison has been implanted into American society since the 1970’s. What used to be a stable, harmonious society of one-income families where the man earned the bread and the woman stayed home and raised the kids, has been converted into a constant cauldron of sex discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuits. Women, who had all the real discrimination in their favor, decided that they should have all the jobs too. Men get rooked in every forum and then blamed for “discriminating” against women. This upside-down think was unleashed on society in 1963 by a Jewess communist named Betty Friedan (nee Goldstein) with her book “The Feminine Mystique”. The New York Publisher of Miss Friedan’s opus did not inform the public that Comrade Betty had been a lifelong member of the Congress of American Women and the United Electrical, Radio and Machinists Union, the two chief communist fronts in the United States. To this day, only a small fraction of Betty Friedan’s communist background has come to light. The vast majority of her private papers bearing on her subversive background are still hidden from public view.
The real issue here is not, however, the communist background of Betty Friedan. Friedan was merely the culmination of a century long socialist campaign to drive women out of the home, to lower the birthrate and to disrupt the family. Sex roles, particularly for men, are essential to the stability of society. A society cannot endure if its women give up baby making and reproduction to pretend that they are men pursuing careers. Everywhere in the western world birthrates are averaging around 1.0-1.5 per woman. This is well below the replacement level of 2.0 Socialist maternity leave programs are not sufficing to raise the birth rate. In most European countries, it is teeming Moslem populations who are reproducing at the white taxpayers expense. Sex equality is suicidal demographics. Neither can society survive if men are stripped of their role of providers. A society composed of women who have all the jobs in addition to all the babies is a society of male drones, as in a beehive. Thus, from either end of the sexual spectrum, socialist sex equality is the death of the race.
It is unlikely, under present conditions, that society shall return to patriarchy and common sense. The sexual suicide society is here, as Mr. George Gilder predicted back in 1976. Birthrates shall continue to drop, Third World immigration shall continue and men shall be increasingly marginalized as providers. The society shall die as the people sing the praises of the processes that are destroying them. Those whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad.
The other side is deafeningly silent.
Despite their attempts to paint me as an ignorant fanatic, it is getting painfully obvious that they do not know how to deal with me. Their strategy sessions must be in high gear right now.
THE HONEST LIBERAL TURNED CONSERVATIVE
Charlton Heston is an interesting example of a Hollywood liberal turning conservative as he aged. Actually, Heston never actually turned conservative; he merely insisted that liberal principles be honestly applied to all. This was too much for the crusading minorities, who have always been less interested in equality of opportunity than promoting their own racism behind universal principles. Heston remained classically liberal to the end of his days in some respects. He was always a vehement enemy of Senator Joseph McCarthy and remained so, despite the confirmation of so many of McCarthy’s charges. Arguably Heston’s Alzheimer’s disease and his advancing age contributed to his reluctance to face facts on this issue.
Nevertheless, Heston had many good points to his credit. He was always a staunch supporter of gun ownership rights. He was twice elected president of the National Rifle Association Association (the NRA). His famous words, holding the rifle above his head, “Over my dead body!” still raise cheers today. Charlton Heston also gave a famous speech enumerating in great detail the sacrifices the Founding Fathers made to create a free nation. He gave the names of the signers of the Declaration of Independence who lost their estates and homes to the British who burned them to the ground to crush rebellion. Heston reminded Americans never to forget that sacrifice, for without it they would not be living in a free land. Nor would he apologize for being a white male. It was white males, after all, who created the United States. They did it an enormous personal risk and sacrifice, a sacrifice not appreciated by those who wish to help themselves to what someone else created.
Charlton Heston, like the rest of the Holywood “in crowd”, always subscribed to the fiction of racial equality. He participated in the famous Civil Rights “March on Washington” in 1963 and shook the hands of black leaders. That was certainly not to his credit. But he was no worse than the average Hollywood star in this regard. Heston’s movie roles were cut from the classic mold. Whether portraying Moses, Jehuda Ben-Hur, Michelangelo painting the Sistine chapel, a Norman warlord or many similar such characters, Heston always rose above the average Hollywood fare. In short, he had integrity. That integrity is reflected in the fact that he stayed married to the same woman for sixty-five years. That is an almost unparalleled achievement anymore, particularly in a modern day Babylon like Hollywood. Charlton Heston was sometimes misguided but always sincere. By the end of his life he was detested by the same minorities whose interests he had championed. There is a lesson in that – and it should be drawn by Heston’s admirers, if not by the man himself
Mr Thames, has it occured to you that no one is actually paying any attention to all your shit?
Welchy…not only are you paying attention, the shite is gushing outta yer tuchis at the thought of your badly constructed web of lies, including the Holocau$t, the Bolshevik MASSACRE, the Armenian genocide, and the U.S.S. Liberty, not to mention the events of September 11th, 2001.
By the way…I have at least a thousand persons reading my page…I’m inviting John Thames to submit postings, if he wishes. All attribution will be given to postings not done by my hand.
I love how the Kosher Klinic Krisis seems to keep ityself out of the newscasts, yet a couple of scumbag politicians (isn’t that redundant?) grabbing a couple grand is SO FRICKIN’ HORRIBLE! Holy crap! Cutting open freshly-orphaned Plaestinians pales in comparison to Solomon Dwek doling out pittances to stupid political whores.
The party’s over, schmuck.
Communism and Fascism
Communist Manifesto
1. Abolition of private property
2. Heavy progressive income tax
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
4. Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels
5. Central Bank
6. Government control of Communications & Transportation
7. Government ownership of factories and agriculture
8. Government control of labor
9. Corporate farms, regional planning
10. Government control of education
CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
Source: http://waronyou.com/
Mr. Welch:
In all my postings, there has not been a single reasoned effort by you, or anyone else, to rebut a single thing I have said. I believe your intellectual impotence speaks for itself.
I have a suggestionfor you. Use my heavily documented postings to “educate” your students. Show them the essays - and then ask them to either rebut or confirm the information contained therein. You may not like the results.
Hanover:
One small correction.
You write that “Corporate Power Is Protected; Labor Power Is Suppressed” under ‘Characteristics Of Fascism’”. That is not entirely correct.
It has always been a Marxist libel that fascism is a corporate controlled system. In actual fact, corporations were completely subservient to the Nazi state - and very heavily taxed. Big business in the Third Reich tolerated Nazism as being preferable to Communism - but they were hardly enthusiastic about the severe restrictions that the National Socialists imposed on the market economy. The Nazis raised the corporate tax from about 15% at the beginning of the regime to about 36% before the outbreak of the war. By the latter stages of the war the tax rate had increased to about 90%. Commercial real estate was also very heavily taxed by the Nazis. This was necessary both to finance the war and to finance the very lavish social welfare programs of National Socialism.
The Nazi regulation of business production was very extensive indeed. The German state regulated all production and prices. Nazi regulatory boards governed all business purchases and allocation of resources. A buyer for a rubber factory, for example, had to go through multiple requests to the state board to get the raw resources to make tires. Tire production was determined by the state board, not public demand in the marketplace. The Nazis imposed draconian fines for even the slightest violation of the thousands of regulations the Nazis imposed on business operations. There is an exellent book on this, “The Vampire Economy” by a German communist named Reitmann.
National Socialism strictly rationed consumer goods and necessaries to build its war machine. This was true even years before the war. The Nazis inflated the currency and ran up massive deficits while instituting currency controls. It was forbidden to take cash out of the country (a point worth remembering when analyzing claims by the Jews that they smuggled huge sums of wealth out of Germany before the war. That would have been very hard to do under the conditions of the time.). The German Labor Front replaced the unions but most claims by workers were decided in favor of the workers, against the corporations and business owners. Strikes were suppressed as anti-national activity but workers were given the benefit of heavily socialist benefit programs. The German government provided low cost travel and vacations to workers. They also had the famous “Strength Through Joy” program, the German Winter Relief and many other similar programs. There was no mobility of labor in the German economy and the German worker went where the German government told him to go. In Nazi Germany, one needed an internal passport to move from one section of the country to another.
Business was not destroyed in Hitler’s Germany but it existed only to serve Nazi social and political goals. The German system was not pro-capitalistic in any way, shape or form. German businesses usually had “excess profits” over 20% confiscated by the state and private investors were limited to a maximum return on their investment of 6%. Any return above that was confiscated by the Nazis. Hitler was a massive spender and ran up huge deficits to finance his war machine, his social welfare programs and his architectural building projects. He was anything but an American tight wad conservative, like Ron Paul.
At the same time that I laugh at the inane criticisms of my postings by my critics on this thread, I also laugh at the shrieks that I am a “Nazi”. Most of the lame brains throwing this epithet around, like university lecturer Joseph Welch, know far less about the reality of the German National Socialist system than I do. (Of course, they know nothing about “gas chambers”, either.) Adolf Hitler’s “National Socialism is not a system I would ever advocate. But unlike those who loathe me, I can distinguish between historical hoaxes and the realities of someone else’s social system. “Nazi” does not mean someone who dislikes Jews and believes in white superiority; it means someone who believes in the system I just described.
http://www.vdare.com/francis/boas.htm
Hey Guys:
Here is real twisting of evidence for you.
Joseph
I think you are being a little harsh in your assertion:
“Mr Thames, has it occured to you that no one is actually paying any attention to all your shit?”
That not strictly true as hUNGOVER aRSEHOLE seems to be paying attention…
…..then again he is a nobody………I suppose technically you are correct
Lee:
Who ever heard of you?
The Bayonet Up The Cunt Hole For Sotomayor
http://carbolicsmoke.com/2009/06/02/obama-says-sotomayors-castrate-white-males-comment-taken-out-of-context/
Even if the Sotomayor quote is a fake, she is still a La Raza mud face racist.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Sotomayor.html
Sotomayor is the whore of the Jews. See above.
Wilbur,
“The other side is deafeningly silent.”
Awww you sound so lonely that you’re left feebly correcting that dumb gullible hack HaNoVeR.
“Their strategy sessions must be in high gear right now.”
Hahahahahahah
Ronnie:
Go back to sucking your dick. It keeps your mouth full.
Hey WIlbur,
Sotomayor “is still a . . . racist”
Given your self-declared, overt racism, is that an endorsement?
Wilbur,
“Confirmation of Dresden dead total. Looks like Judge Gray and Professor Evans got it wrong at the trial.”
Looks like you’re an idiot who should spend more time prepping for your GED.
Irving relied on forged evidence for his Dresden casualty figures, namely Tagesbefehl No. 47. Irving was skewered at the trial for relying on TB47 for good reason. First, Irving knew TB47 had been denounced as fraudulent. Second Irving himself had previously described TB47 as “spurious”. Third, Irving was warned by the Dresden archivist, that TB47 was a patent forgery. Fourth, there were features within TB47 which cast doubt on it: like lacking an official stamps or any signature.
So what is the “new secret document” that you linked to?
Ohhhh, it’s a message to Dr. Dietrichs purportedly from the police chief of Dresden. Oooo Doctor Dietrichs. He sounds important, and who better than a doctor to give casualty figures?
Who is this mysterious Dr. Dietrichs? Oh yeah, Dr. Otto Dietrichs was the Nazi Press Chief at the time, and Adolf Hitler’s chief publicity agent. He held a doctorate in political science. Who better to rely on for accurate information then Nazi Germany’s top propagandist!
After you are finished defending Demjanjuk by explaining to the Germans the Holocaust was a hoax, you ought to think about filing an appeal for David Irving – you have a gift man, use it!
Oh, and a little advice: You can always tell your web link is from a serious, credible source when it has emoticons and silly GIF images. So be sure to use those GIF images in your trial papers they really say: “I’m smart”
A FLAG WAS BORN IN PALESTINE
How many Americans remember Ben Hecht’s 1946 play “A Flag Is Born”? It generated enormous publicity when it first appeared in New York. Hecht was a former newspaperman and successful Hollywood screenwriter whose credits included “Wuthering Heights”. He was a flaming Zionist and die-hard supporter of the soon to be created state of Israel. “A Flag Is Born” takes the form of two Holocaust “survivors” who immigrate to Palestine after the war. The male protagonist falls into a reverie recalling all the prophets and sages of the Jewish past. These sages then instruct him how the coming Zionist state shall fulfill the past of Jewish history. The parents die before the Jewish state can be created but their son, David, carries on the fight by joining the Jewish underground and becoming a “fighter for the freedom of Israel”. The play made the career of the then unknown Marlon Brando. Even more than “On The Waterfront” it made him the darling of the tribe that controlled Hollywood. When the play went on tour Brando gave up the part in “Gentlemen’s Agreement”, the movie about how tough it was to be a Jew in anti-Semitic America. (That role went to Gregory Peck instead.) When the play moved from Washington, D.C. to Baltimore, Hecht was able to demand – and get –reversal of the theaters racial segregation of the audience policy as a condition of performance. (He did this at the same time that the Jewish National Fund in Palestine was refusing to employ Arab labor.)
“A Flag Is Born” was fabulously successful, generating over a million dollars in today’s terms. The money was used to buy arms and ammunition for the Jewish underground in Palestine. Politicians of both parties were invited to attend. Hecht and many other Zionists of the day preached the line that the Jews fighting the British in Palestine were like the Americans fighting the British in 1776. It was another “war of independence”. (This was a complete inversion of the truth. The Americans were fighting for independence against England; the Zionists were fighting to deny the independence of the rightful owners of Palestine, the Arabs.) This upside down think analogy was employed by the Zionists constantly. Thus, for example, the Zionists thundered that when Dov Gruner was hung by the British for terrorist activities, that Gruner was hung exactly as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would have hung had the American rebellion against England failed. Jews who opposed the Zionist program were likened to Americans who failed to support the rebellion against England. (The implied lack of patriotism was the same.) The propaganda campaign was enormously effective. Public opinion polls of the time showed that American opinion of the time was overwhelmingly pro-Jewish and anti-British.
Some of the analogies used by Hecht and the Zionists have to be read to be believed. They are as breathtakingly absurd as the current propaganda that there is a phenomenon called “Islamo-fascism” equal in evil to defunct Soviet communism. Here are a few choice examples of the propaganda barrage of 1946-1948. According to vice-president of the U.S. Henry Wallace writing in the “New Republic”, “Many Americans feel sympathetic to the fight that the Jews are carrying on in Palestine. They feel that in some respects it is like the fight the American colonies carried on in 1776”. The same theme was echoed by I.F. Stone in the “Nation”. The Jews taking up arms against the British “are no more gangsters than were the men of Lexington and Concord”. This propaganda line had been used by the Zionists before. Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis had referred to “the Jewish Pilgrim Fathers” working in “the colonies”. Richard Gottheil had spoken of “the Puritans (who) fled from persecution” as the equivalent of the Zionists in Palestine fleeing from Czarist and European anti-Semitism.
(From “Militant Zionism In America: The Rise And Impact Of The Jabotinsky Movement In The United States, 1926-1948”, p.181)
All of this outrageous lying by false analogy makes for very interesting reading today. It provides almost a prototype for the same sophistries prevailing today, distinguishable only in that yesterday’s lies were somewhat more sophisticated than today’s slop. Zionism’s cause was America’s cause in 1946, just as Zionism’s fight against terrorism is America’s fight now. Nothing has changed; Americans are still sheep to be sheared by the oldest liars on earth.
Ronnie Shit Lie Face:
The German internal records are perfectly clear that the total German deaths at Dresden were in excess of 100,000. Your asshole is leaking out your mouth, as usual.
The death totals at Hamburg and other cities from one night raids are admitted by the allies to have been in the 40-60,000 range. At Dresden, by contrast, the raids took place on three separate occassions involving a city swollen with hundreds of thousands of refugees. If you really think that the casualty totals were no greater or even less than at the other cities, then go buy the bridge in Brooklyn, you horses ass.
Wilburrrrr,
“The German internal records are perfectly clear that the total German deaths at Dresden were in excess of 100,000.”
That is demonstrably false.
The most reliable internal German record produced after the attack was the ‘Final Report’ issued by the Dresden police on March 15, 1945. The Final Report reads: “established: 18,375 fallen, 2,212 badly wounded, 13,718 slightly wounded, 350,000 homeless and long-term re-quartered.” The ‘Final Report’ bore both an identifiable signature and was stamped ’secret.’
There is also the Situation Report No. 1414 of the Berlin Chief of Police, dated April 3, 1945. It reads: “’BdO. Dresden. Up to 31.3.45 the number of killed recovered numbers 22,096 persons.”
But ya know Wilburrrrr, that isn’t the kicker. The real kicker is that in the defamation lawsuit Irving filed, the defense introduced a letter Irving wrote to the Dresden Museum in 1997 in which Irving himself admitted:
“…I come also to the conclusion that the so-called TB47 is a forgery of the Ministry of Propaganda.”
Yet Irving continues to rely on TB47’s authenticity. Irving, like all holocaust deniers, continue to publish false claims relying on fraudulent evidence that they know and readily admit are fake - just like you!
Wiblurrrr,
One other point.
“If you really think that the casualty totals were no greater or even less than at the other cities, then go buy the bridge in Brooklyn, you horses ass.”
Even if the attack on Dresden was the worst of the war, the number of deaths would still have remained in proportion to the extent of the physical destruction as in all allied raids during WW2 .
In Hamburg 3.3% of its population were killed and 48% of dwellings were destroyed.
In Kobe 1% were killed and over 50% of its dwellings were destroyed.
If in Dresden, a city with a population of over 650,000, roughly 50% of its dwellings were destroyed. A figure of 250,000 dead in Dresden would mean almost 40% of the population was killed - a figure so grossly out of proportion to other comparable attacks you’d have to be a horse’s ass to believe it.
Wilubrrrr,
One other point of reference.
In Nagasaki, roughly 40% of the dwellings were destroyed, and 20% of Nagasaki’s population were killed - so you’re dumb claim about Dresden’s casualty figures - based on admitted fake documents - are wildly out of proportion to the atomic bombing of Nagasaki!
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2007/270207.html#Voigt
See entry from Budapest.
O, Ronnie, you really are a scream. The kill totals at Dresden were exaggerated, just like the mythical “six million” were not exaggerated. According to the Bundesrepublik whitewash re-port, only 18-25,000 were killed. The 1400 degree Fahrenheit temperatures could not have vaporized the bodies, unlike those magic crematoria at Auschwitz that could vaporize the bodies.
Bravo, Ronnie! Next show me a British government “reinvestigation” proving that crucified Canadians and handless Belgian babies really existed.
http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm
Wilburrrrrr,
The casualty figures relied on by German researchers, and everyone else in the world were not exaggerated.
The fake document TB47 Irving relied on - which Irving himself acknowledged in writing was a fake -, was prepared expressly for propaganda purposes and the numbers were inflated.
The casualty figures in the website you linked to, and were prepared by Dr. Otto Dietrichs - the Nazi Press Chief -, were also faked - and the numbers inflated.
That’s all besides the point though.
You said: “The German internal records are perfectly clear that the total German deaths at Dresden were in excess of 100,000.”
That is a demonstrably false statement. The two documents: the Final Report and Situation Report No. 1414, show casualties in the 20,000 range.
The only reason why you say such stupid things is because you are ignorant on all things historical, theological, legal and political. You demonstrate that repeatedly.
Magic crematoria? You are now arguing - in addition to the “holocaust hoax,” the “evolution hoax” the “911 hoax” the “snivel rights hoax” and the “feminist hoax” - that there were no crematoria?
You really should be an exhibit at the holocaust museum.
Ronnie:
You have no reasoning capacity whatever.
When Curtis LeMay’s B-29 bombers flew their raids over densely packed Japanese cities and firebombed them, the Americans killed 150-200,000 civilians in a single night. How is it then, you imbecile, that similar or worse firebombing over an even more densely packed Dresden killed only 10% of that same total?
My point about the crematoria, since you are obviously too dumb to figure it out, is that the crematoria operated at a much higher rate than any crematoria in history ever operated, while disposing of supposed millions of corpses. Your shit-for-brain has no problem believing that, while simultaneously believing that big, bad German Nazis grossly exaggerated the kill total of one of the most murderous air raids in history.
Once again, Ronnie, you are a fucking idiot. And, of course, you are the same asshole who was trying to pretend that Judge Van Roden didn’t really claim that the German defendants at Malmedy were tortured. You really are the most pathetic liar, Ronnie. You are even worse than anus brain Welch and Fangfuck.
Ronnie Fuck Head:
The real number of people in Dresden was much higher than you are letting on. You forgot to count all the refugees from the east.
One other thing, Ronnie. Did your mother fuck an orangatang to generate you? Or is your face even white?
Ronnie Shit-For_Brain:
Read the casualtty totals for Japan - and then tell me why it should be any different for Dresden. Note the comment by Selden that the kill totals could be understated - and then tell me why the same logic does not apply to Dresden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
You fucking turd brain.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/sep/22/books.familyandrelationships
Hey, Ronnie Dumb Ass:
Here is a female academic who afrees with me that women micing careers and baby making is nonsense.
You seem to be having an argument with yourself, Mr Thames. It’s much the same thing that happens to some of the derelicts I see on the streets, all those poor befuddled lunatics with nothing but cheap liquor and screams of abuse to passers by to fill their day. The only difference between them and you is that you’ve somehow got access to a computer.
Without your daily rants here, what would you have to occupy your time.
‘Here is a female academic who afrees with me that women micing careers and baby making is nonsense’.
Spelling, Mr Thames? Have you been having a go at the Thunderbird again? And I wouldn’t worry too much about this too much. After all, you’re in no danger of either having a career or fathering a child.
Wilburrrrr
“How is it then, you imbecile, that similar or worse firebombing over an even more densely packed Dresden killed only 10% of that same total.”
Your claim that Dresden was “even more densely packed” than Tokyo is wildly inaccurate. The Asakusa Ku area, which suffered the attack in March 1945, had a population density of more than 135,000 people per sq. mi. Dresden, a smaller city, has a population density of 1484 people per sq.km. or roughly 573 people per sq.mi.
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“. . . [T]he crematoria operated at a much higher rate than any crematoria in history ever operated”
That is an accurate statement – bravo!
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The “big, bad German Nazis grossly exaggerated the kill total of one of the most murderous air raids in history.”
Hey, another accurate statement. That’s right, the Nazis did grossly exaggerate the kill total. As even your favorite, pseudo-historian David Irving repeatedly admits: “…I come also to the conclusion that the so-called TB47 is a forgery of the [Nazi] Ministry of Propaganda.”
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What’s an “orangatang” you “Shit-For_Brain” “Dumb Ass” “fucking turd brain”?
ROFL
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My face is olive skinned due to my Jewish genes containing chromosomes and mtDNA consistent with a genetic heritage from the Middle East.
The Christian Program and Purpose
Quote from the Talmud:
Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”
With enough research, Christianity and its cohorts can be summed up, revealing its true purpose. Jehova’s Witnesses know of all the Pagan origins of the holidays, such as xmas and Easter. They are deluded as to the nazarene, as the nazarene is also a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin. Everything in the Christian program is FALSE, STOLEN, CORRUPTED, AND COUNTERFEIT!
The entire purpose of Christianity is to PREPARE Gentiles to be slavishly obedient and worshipping of their jewish masters in a new world order, where the jews will have total and complete control, unless people wake up and this is stopped.
As can be seen from the articles on this website, the pantheon of Gentile/Pagan Gods (subliminal worship) was replaced with fictitous jewish archetypes with the program of Christianity. Along with this, the jews achieved a special status they did not deserve- being “The chosen of God.” All of this is subliminal in that it creates the mindset of slavish, self-sacrificing, servile mentality in its victims, that readily accepts the jews to be in charge. The fictitious jewish archetypes such as the nazarene create a powerful subconscious association with what is known as “The God Part of the Brain” and act to transfer this mindset of worship to the jews who intend upon ruling the world. There is NOTHING at all spiritual about Christianity. The Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history of the jews, and intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew. We prove all of this on this website.
Quote from the Jewish Talmud:
Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”
In addition to the subliminal workings, Gentiles are severely threatened with delving into the “occult” in order to remove all powers of the mind and soul and to keep these powers within the circle of ruling jewish masters for total abuse and exploitation of the Gentiles. Because sexual orgasm is the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul, the Christian doctrines have always worked relentlessly to suppress it. Christianity drums into its victims minds that they are nothing more than property. Their minds, souls and bodies all belong to “Jehova” which in reality is the top ruling Jews who are masters of occult power.
Quotes from the Talmud:
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”
The denegration of women in these programs is a sick, twisted and perverted attempt, again, subliminal, like the suppression of human sexuality, to deprive Gentiles of occult power. This has its origins in the Far Eastern teachings of “Shakti” which represents the female (subconsious and kundalini power) aspect of the human soul. The male aspect is the left brained logical side. Both must work together to achieve material results, which is the purpose of yoga. By suppressing the female side of the brain, one’s powers of mind and soul are completely dormant and inaccessible.
Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods who have been shamefully and hideously blasphemed and labeled as “evil.” Our Gods have been the victims of Jewish horror and gore Hollywood flics and other denegrating and insulting themes, where Gentiles are fooled into mocking, cursing, and fearing them, while working for their own damnation and paying out the ass for it, not only to the tune of trillions and trillions of dollars, but also with psychic energy. The jews have had a long history of deluding the Gentiles into paying for their own damnation and ruin. The war in Iraq is a blatant example, where thousands of young American men and women have died or are permanently disabled- all for Israel.
GENTILES NEED TO WAKE UP!!
Source: Exposing Christianity http://www.exposingchristianity.com/Christian_Program.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnQulHcWaI
Hey Ronnie Lie Shit, You Jew Bastard Twist Think Talmudist:
http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=55
Your rabbinical dick brain.
You keep ignoring all the real considerations. Note in attatched link that the July 27-28 firebombing of Hamburg killed over 40,000. Now, in Dresden by contrast, the city was far more densely populated than Hamburg by the huge influx of refugees. You simply don’t compute that into your so-called density figures. The real population of the city at the time was about 1.2 million. That raises the density quite a bit, dick head. And again, you don’t compare the so-called 25,000 with the proportionally much greater kill totals at other German cities. That would make it impossible to pretend that the kill totals were only in the 18-25,000 range at Dresden. Moreover, you do not consider the incredibly high temperatures generated by the firebombings (which were much greater than the temperatures at the crematoria at Auschwitz, by the way). This obviously made it impossible to count all the bodies that had melted into glue. It also made it impossible for “survivors” to report the deaths of their relatives, as they all died in the same cellar.
Now, as to the rest of your bullshit, you olive skinned, self-serving rabbinical cocksucker. The crematoria operated at fantastcically high rates at Auschwitz. Right. No, Wrong! you Middle Eastern scumbag. Read Lagace, Mattogno, et. al. This has already been thoroughly refuted. Your repeated lying is getting very boring. The Germans exaggerated kill totals. Right. They did it at Dresden where they had no need to but they didn’t exaggerate in those unimpeachable Einzatsgruppen records that were doctored by your tribe in American and British uniforms after the war.
Even for a self-admitted Chosen One, Ronnie, you really are inept. Take some Hebrew University (or Khazar University, there actually is one) courses on prevarication. You need to hone your skills, circumsized one. I have peeled too many foreskins off you already.
Israeli Massacres:
Although the Image that Israel distributes about herself is that of an oppressed nation, it is with heavy hearts that we present these crimes that stand for themselves for the brutality of the Israeli Army and the heartlessness of its soldiers who seem to have a thirst for blood. It is for the hope that the world may see a clearer picture that we present these painful facts. It is interesting to notice that today’s media does not dwell on these crimes as they do on the Holocaust. They are reported in the news for a week or two and then swept into the sea of oblivion. Those who attempt to revive the true history of Israel are charged of being anti-Semitic. So with the hope to keep those memories in mind we present this shameful history of Israel that seems to have found that the role of Goliath is more interesting than that of David.
The following list of massacres is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is ‘goyim rein’.
The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU’ MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Western Bekaa villages Massacre
Source: http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm
And how about the current eviction scandal unfolding as we speak?
Dear Hanover,
*blinks*
“The Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history . . . and intense blasphemy against . . . our True Creator God Satan.
“Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods . . .”
Pretty insightful analysis there. Er, keep up the good work, you’re uhm recovering nicely. Could we meet at the clinic TODAY?!
Hanover:
I do not want to get into a debate with an ally over the merits of Christianity. I will only say that I believe all religions to be essentially a fraud upon the facts.
hAnOvEr
You left out the “the current eviction scandal unfolding as we speak massacre!
I will credit you with one thing though, your true creator is Satan.
Thanks, John…neither do I. I am in absolute agreement with you in regards to religion.
So understand, cock-smokers - I don’t believe that you nitwits are the chosen people; rather, you’re the Choosing People, where you choose who you will steal from, rob from, rip off, and defame.
I don’t go to clinics, Pharmaceutical Boy - that’s more for your weak mind.
hAnOvEr
“our True Creator God Satan”
““Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods”
That sounds alot like religion to me.
I think you ought to keep your appointment with your shrink. Or better yet, hop on the old ouija board and send him an IM.
PS do you get most of your information from your trusty ouija board or strictly from astrology?
I get my info from your sloppy-uddered mother, asshat.
I think we should get back to provable facts.
Ron’s efforts to reduce the Dresden death total have failed miserably.Naturally, he has nothing to say about the activity of the Zionist lobby in America manipulating opinion in 1946, just as they are manipulating it now. “Freedom fighters against the British”, just like the American revolutionaries against the same British in 1776. What utter bullshit!
Wilburrr,
“Ron’s efforts to reduce the Dresden death total have failed miserably.”
You’re wrong (as usual) I never tried to reduce or enlarge the Dresden death toll. I only refuted your ridiculously incorrect statement that: “The German internal records are perfectly clear that the total German deaths at Dresden were in excess of 100,000.” Two internal German documents: the Final Report and Situation Report No. 1414, show casualties far less than 100,000.
I also tried to show you that the acknowledged casualty figures in Dresden were consistent with and proportional to the damage to dwellings in Dresden and similarly attacked cities, and how the inflated figure of hundreds of thousands was grossly out of proportion to the casualties in similar raids and especially the atomic blast over Nagasaki.
I do like, however, the silly little GIF images on your sources (they’re so cute!) and that you have that moron hanover backing you up.
Ron…you are a dullard of immense proportions.
JT doesn’t need any backup…and you should watch as to who you refer to as a “moRON”, as you can’t spell it without RON.
As you can plainly see, ron is an essential part of MORON. Just give it up, stupid, and strap on your hockey helmet before the baseball bats return.
HaNoVer FiSt
moRON haha I get it. I give you a 91 in cuteness!
Did you think of that yourself, or did your “True Creator God Satan” inspire it through your ouija board?
P.S. You spend WAY to much time masturbating to discover that: “sexual orgasm is the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul.” By now, I’m guessing, your soul is super powered and advanced!
Wilburr,
“You keep ignoring all the real considerations. Note in attatched link that the July 27-28 firebombing of Hamburg killed over 40,000.”
Not surprisingly, you’re wrong. You always are wrong. It is little wonder why you come up with such ridiculous conspiracy theories: you are an idiot. Operation Gomorrah took place over 8 days and 7 nights, and it began on July 24th. If you’d get your head out of those nazi porn sites for once, you wouldn’t sound like such a numskull.
“Now, in Dresden by contrast, the city was far more densely populated than Hamburg by the huge influx of refugees.”
Really, what was the population density in Dresden in 1945 and Hamburg in 1943?
“The real population of the city at the time was about 1.2 million.”
Where do you get that figure from?
“That raises the density quite a bit, dick head.”
Increasing a population doesn’t necessarily increase the density “quite a bit” it would depend upon the area.
“And again, you don’t compare the so-called 25,000 with the proportionally much greater kill totals at other German cities.”
That’s right I didn’t. I never compared casualties in Dresden with “kill totals” with other German cities as it is irrelevant to my argument you dumb hillbilly racist. Re-read what I wrote.
I never claimed to know the number of casualties in Dresden. I simply refuted your idiotic statement that: “The German internal records are perfectly clear that the total German deaths at Dresden were in excess of 100,000.”
That is a demonstrably false statement. You always make idiotic statements like that. Two internal German documents: the Final Report and Situation Report No. 1414, show casualties in the 20,000 range. The ones you relied on are known fakes - even your idol David Irving admits it.
Ah….but (Auschwitz) 4 million minus 2.5 million still equals SIX MILLION total, right?
HaNoVeR
Did you get all your wicked skills from a ouija board? Your “True Creator God Satan?” Or did you just masturbate to “sexual orgasm” and open “the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul?”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/botched-building-demolition-reinforces-wtc-7-lie.html
Ron…you’re like a run-on retard…”Did you get all your wicked skills from a ouija board? ”
The spanking part I can get behind…you wanna play Stranger?
And you still haven’t answered the question: 6 Million-2.5 Million=6 Million?
hanOVER,
Sheesh don’t get so angry, you channeling your “True Creator God Satan” or something?
I’m glad you’ve been able to crack open “the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul” (Finally!)
You get a 91 in soul powering and advancing - good on ya!
But as a “jewish master” in training, I have to “threaten you for delving into the occult.” I’m afraid you might accidentally “remove all powers of the mind and soul” where they might sneak out of “the circle of ruling jewish masters” (oh my!)
You changed the question btw.
Of course, you probably knew I’d say that from your trusty old ouija board.
Hanover
btw let’s hear some more of your “occult-satanic-astrology-psychic energy-18+ crucified Pagan Gods such as Odin” hehehe that was kinda fascinating.
Your friendly, neighborhood jewish masters wanna know more!
REVISIONIST ZIONISM IN AMERICA
Few Americans are aware of the immense smuggling operation by the Jews of America to raise arms and supplies for the Jewish underground in Palestine. But it was vast indeed. Rafael Medoff provides many fascinating details in his book: “Militant Zionism In America: The Rise And Impact Of The Jabotinsky Movement In The United States, 1926-1948”. Chapter 11, “Guns For Zion” provides several choice examples. For instance, Zweibon’s, a linoleum store in New York, allowed the Irgun to ship guns and ammunition packed into the interiors of huge linoleum rolls. Another favorite technique was to utilize the coffins of Jewish funeral parlors to pack the guns and ammunition and then load the caskets onto ships for transport to Palestine. The Lurie Funeral Home and Harry Nieberg and Sons were deeply involved in this operation. A Yeshiva student named Oscar Bookspan purchased at discount prices from Jewish retailers badly needed parts for Jewish radio transmitters, such as rectifier tubes, sockets, condensers and switches among other items. The Jewish retailers were happy to comply, as the goods were for the cause of “Greater Israel”. Of course, there was more to it than that. Public-spirited mobsters like Mickey Cohen raised vast sums for the underground in Palestine. Frank Sinatra was also involved in the arms smuggling, a fact that has only recently come to light.
One of the major players in the raising of funds for the Jewish terrorists in Palestine was the American League For A Free Palestine, headed by the long time Zionist supporter, Senator Guy Gillette of Iowa. Gillette had only recently lost his re-election bid and threw himself into his new career with enthusiasm. He took a trip to Palestine with the Zionist Harry Selden and arrived just after the Irgun had blown off the southwest wing of the King David Hotel, killing ninety people. Rather than being horrified by the Zionist atrocity, Gillette was more horrified by the British “slave ships” deporting illegal Jewish immigrants into Cypriotic detention camps. He devoted himself to making speeches on behalf of a “Free Palestine”. Selden sponsored showings of a short film entitled “Last Night We Attacked”, glorifying the murderers of the Irgun. The final minutes of the film closed with an appeal to “our supporters” in America to supply the funds and the ammunition to “finish the job”. The American League For A Free Palestine had many supporters among the Jew infested glitterati. The head of the Los Angeles chapter was the actor, Vincent Price. In a June 1944 two page spread in the “New Republic” the Zionists collected over two hundred signatures from movie stars, politicians, literary lights, conductors, musicians and other luminaries endorsing a Jewish state in Palestine. A few of the names were David O. Selznick of “Gone With The Wind” fame, Leonard Bernstein, Sol Hurok, Carl Reiner, Harpo Marx, Adam Clayton Powell and the political prostitute of the Berman crime syndicate in Minneapolis, Hubert Humphrey. Mickey Cohen raised well over $100,000 1940’s dollars for the cause in Saint Louis by recruiting the Jewish boxer Barney Ross to the cause. The creation of Rabbi Baruch Korff, the Political Action Committee For Palestine (PACP) also did signal work agitating against the British and for the Jews. Korff and the PACP were responsible for an anti-British pageant called “That We May Live” blessed by speeches from Senator James Mead of New York and House Majority leader John McCormack. Korff also cultivated friendly relations with President Truman through a renegade Republican politician named Chuck Baldwin. Korff further cultivated the Republican Senator William Langer of Idaho, who could always be counted on to snivel for the Jews in Palestine whenever the British were mean to them.
It would be idle to multiply additional examples of the vast Zionist pressure that was brought to bear to create the Jewish state. From arms smuggling to fund raising to buying politicians, every conceivable form of pressure was employed to aid from afar the Kike-Reich in the making. Those who wish to know more should read Rafael Madoff’s extremely well researched book from which this essay has been adapted.
Ronnie:
You circumsized dick head. My arguments make perfect sense; Nothing that you write makes any sense at all. It is a known fact that Dresden was swollen with hundreds of thousands of refugees from the east. Now just how does your pathetic fuck head figure that that did not increase the population density of the city? Where do you think all those extra people were staying? At Disneyland while the bombs fell? Comparisons are only irrelevant because they bring up the real issues your shit-for-brain refuses to address.
The casualty figiures from other German cities (as well as Japanese cities similarly firebombed) are known. To think then, that at Dresden the casualty figures could be so much lower than at the other locations is the thinking of an imbecile like you, Ronnie.
That is the bottom line, Ronnie Boy. Now go suck off your local rabbi with kidney in your mouth.
http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/08/jew-goes-ballistic-on-reporter-over.html
Oopsie…did that poor ol’ rabbi CURSE? My goodness.
Yeah…I modified the question…but of course, you still haven’t an answer forthcoming, douche.
Wilburrr,
“Nothing that you write makes any sense at all.”
What part of:
David Irving admits: “…I come also to the conclusion that the so-called TB47 is a forgery of the [Nazi] Ministry of Propaganda”
doesn’t make sense to you?
bENDOVER my fIST
If you keep changing the question I can’t answer.
I think your so confused with your “occult-satanic-astrology-psychic energy-18+ crucified Pagan Gods such as Odin” that you think people understand what you’re saying.
May I suggest you post through your trusty Ouija board?
You keep on trying to goof on John Thames, but your grammar leaves something to be desired:
“I think your so confused with your “occult-satanic-astrology-psychic energy-18+ crucified Pagan Gods such as Odin” that you think people understand what you’re saying.”
How do you screw up with using “you’re” in the same bloody sentence?”
Stop strapping on your hockey helmet so tight.
Easy, I don’t proofread my posts for grammatical and spelling errors.
Think of it as my little way of channeling your/you’re/ur “True Creator God Satan” by doing something incredibly evil like throwing the rules of possessive pronouns out the window!
So, whaddya think would your “True Creator God Satan” approve?
Howza ’bouts the “8+ crucified Pagan Gods such as Odin?”
Odin told me through your Ouija board that you will die from botulism…also known as bad meat in the can, so tell Welchy to take it easy on your anus from now on, okay?
All of this quibbling in regards to the death totals during the bombing of Dresden is besides the point - it was WRONG to inflict this needless warfare upon a civilian population, much as it was wrong during the Armenian genocide, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the current genocide occurring in Gaza and the West Bank.
FUCKING WRONG, period.
“All of this quibbling in regards to the death totals during the bombing of Dresden is besides the point - it was WRONG to inflict this needless warfare upon a civilian population”
I’m so glad you feel that way. This should put to rest all of the “quibbling” surrounding the number of civilian Jews killed by the Germans. You admitted that the slaughter of Jews took place, and that it was wrong. It’s nice to see that you now feel that there’s no point to your quibbling quibbles.
Awwww hanover I give you a 91 in sweetness! Apology accepted =)
PS You better hop on that ouija board of yours because your “True Creator God Satan” and “8+ crucified Pagan Gods such as Odin” wanna talk to you, they are not pleased with your anti-genocidal outburst.
Going back to the original subject of this thread, I’m sure that if Stewart Bradley saw fit to revisit it he’d find it enlightening to note that the only fellow truthers defending his corner are both (1) complete Nazis and (2) dribbling lunatics.
Mr. Welch,
Your blatant supression of the 911 TRUTH is no different than the sad history of how “Ouija boards, asrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods.”
So go on and live your little fantasy world, just bring a bible. After all, “The Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history . . . and intense blasphemy against . . . our True Creator God Satan!”
Counterknowledge *sigh* really enlightened.
http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/oh-shit-jews-are-fucking-up-right-and.html
By the way…nice comment, sHAM wOW!
http://world911truth.org/steven-jones-on-nanothermite/
Welchy, Fung, moRon and Lee - you will all be proven to be useful idiots and quislings in the end.
Ha No Ver you heathen, devil worshiper
I’d be more impressed if you divined all of your information off your ouija board than the silly websites you always link to.
(although . . . ur own site 91sexposse.com totally pwns - you get a 91 from the khazars!)
“nice comment, sHAM wOW”
Okay this is great. You are completely oblivious, aren’t you Han? You would think a guy who got a 91 once would realize when he’s being mocked. Not you though.
Fangbeer a/k/a Smartypants Khazar!
They already suppressed my oiuja board to “deprive me from communicating with our own TRUE Gods!!!!!!” To put this UTTERLY ILLOGICAL FRAUD in perspective “The Bible is intense blasphemy against . . . our God Satan!!!!!!!!!”
McMhoud August 4, 2009 at 13:58 am
“Please…I could care less, asshats. You idiots were SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!.”
Fung have anyone reads Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9?
Take that khazar!!!!!!!!
Mr. Welch:
Where is your university Phd. lecture on the inauthenticity of “The Power And Aims Of International Jewry”? You were going to take a trip to the National Archives and prove that I was making it up, weren’t you? I guess you have not had the time. Such a pity.
THE ”BACK DOOR” TO THOUGHT CONTROL
“Hate crimes” and “hate thought” legislation is becoming the norm in the United States. The concepts are Marxist in origin and shall be Marxian in application. That is, hatred is what the other side does, not what one’s own side does. Black supremacists shall not be prosecuted for writing that whites are the children of the devil; Zionists shall not be prosecuted for preaching that Arabs are terrorists; feminists shall not be prosecuted for making false rape and child abuse accusations. “Hate crimes” and “hate speech” legislation are essentially attempts to repeal the First Amendment. They aim to create exceptions to the principle of unlimited thought and freedom of expression. Once the exceptions are created they shall be steadily expanded until freedom of thought and expression – excerpt for the ruling Zionist-Marxist elite – shall no longer exist.
Hate speech, in short, is thought control through the back door. Hate speech advocates know what they are doing, just like Franklin Roosevelt knew what he was really aiming at as the set up at Pearl Harbor approached. The “back door” to thought control is almost upon us – and telling the truth shall shortly be among the gravest of crimes.
John,
I really deeply respect your writing. You are the most intelligent person I’ve ever read in my life. EVER!!!! You know the TRUTH!!!!! You expose the LIARS!!!!
I do not want to get into a debate with an ally over the merits of this, but “Black supremacists shall not be prosecuted for writing that whites are the children of the devil” is going TOO FAR!!!!!
Please don’t blaspheme our True Creator God Satan! You’re falling into the hands of the jews who achieved a special status they did not deserve- being “The chosen of God.” All of this is SUBLIMINAL in that it creates the mindset of slavish, self-sacrificing, servile mentality in its victims, that readily accepts the jews to be in charge. The fictitious jewish archetypes such as the NAZARENE!!!!!! create a powerful subconscious association with what is known as “The God Part of the BRAIN!
It’s FUCKING WRONG, period!!!
THE ”BACK DOOR” TO THE SOUL
It is well known that gentiles are severely threatened with delving into the “occult” in order to remove all powers of the mind and soul and to keep these powers within the circle of ruling jewish masters for total abuse and exploitation of the Gentiles. The confiscation of my ouija board and astrology horoscope today is just a sick, twisted and perverted attempt, again, SUBLIMINAL, like the suppression of human sexuality, to deprive Gentiles of occult power. This has its origins in the Far Eastern teachings of “Shakti”.
The jews are responsible for this intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATAN!!!!!! which means “enemy” in Hebrew to the JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John, hANOVER fIST and I prove all of this on this website because sexual orgasm is the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul. Christianity drums into its victims minds that they are nothing more than property. Their minds, souls and bodies all belong to “Jehova” which in reality is the top ruling Jews who are masters of occult power.
Backdoor sexual orgasm is the doorway to the backdoor to the soul!!!!!!!!!!
Oooo that’s gonna sting khazar!!!!!!!!
“Fangbeer a/k/a Smartypants Khazar!”
That’s Mr. Smartypants Khazar to you, pal. I think he’s going to like your post again.
Just a hunch.
THE IMPOSSIBLE LOGISTICS
Those who believe that the German Nazis exterminated “six million” Jews in “gas chambers” during the Second World War simply are not thinking. Consider: the Germans were fighting a losing war on two fronts against an enemy enjoying overwhelming numerical and material superiority. They were straining every resource to the limit to meet the demands of this two front war. Yet we are asked to believe that they were simultaneously exterminating six million Jews. Rounding up and exterminating six million Jews scattered all over Europe would have been an impossible task even under optimal circumstances. But the demands that it would have imposed upon a small nation fighting the whole world go far beyond the merely impossible. They extend to the realm of the absurd. The Germans could not adequately maintain their armies on two fronts. Their transportation system was stretched to the limit switching troops back and forth from front to front. The Germans desperately needed the Jews for labor and were, in fact, using them at Auschwitz for precisely that purpose. The Germans did not even get around to rounding up the Jews in Western Europe until very late in the war, 1944 primarily. That hardly jibes with the idea that the Germans were exterminating them.
But back to the logistics. The Germans had no means to exterminate the Jews even if they had intended to. The famous Zyklon B was merely a delousing agent for killing bugs. The Germans could only manage to deport a portion of the Jews under their control in the first two years of invading Russia. After that, they had no room for further deportations to areas which were being rapidly reconquered by the Soviet Red Army. And what good would it have done to deport the hated Jews to areas which would place them in enemy hands in a few months, anyway? Thus, the entire legend collapses. Those who subscribe to the legend of the extermination of the Jews love to bother themselves endlessly with bogus testimonies and kangaroo jurisprudence. But they do not like to deal with the simple logistics that prove it is all nonsense.
THE RATIONALIST FALLACY
The rationalist fallacy is the belief that people’s minds can be changed by facts. That may be true in a small minority of cases but it will never be true for the majority. In most cases, people are frightened by the facts – particularly if the facts conflict with what people have been taught to believe. Thus, when confronted by facts that are too far outside the main stream, people will freeze their minds and shut out the facts. This is the point which the crusaders of forbidden or forgotten facts always forget. This is why they can never understand why the provable facts never seem to change people’s minds. Beliefs are determined by climate of opinion. Climate of opinion is determined by propaganda, not facts. There are many illustrations of this point. It is very clear that black failure stems from lesser black intelligence. But the fiction of racial equality created by decades of propaganda prevents recognition of this fact. Another popular fiction is that women have been victims of “sex discrimination”. How a sex that gets everything in divorce court, that gets automatic custody of children, that receives child support and alimony, that gets first place on the lifeboats, that enjoys exemption from combat duty and the hundreds of thousands of casualties it implies, can be victims of “sex discrimination’ is never explained. Nor is it explained why, with all this discrimination in their favor, they should be given all the jobs too. Feminism has created a climate of opinion where these questions simply are not asked. The historic Jewish connection with communism is another excellent example. Any number of scholarly reference works will give the documented facts on the extremely disproportionate Jewish involvement in communism. But the climate of opinion dismisses all this as “Nazi propaganda”. Hence, the facts have no chance.
The point in all this is that facts work very slowly if at all. They are quickly silenced as the propaganda winds howl and blow. Those who rely on facts shall inform themselves marvelously; their hope of informing the public is slim to nil.
Wilburrr,
“Those who believe that the German Nazis exterminated “six million” Jews in “gas chambers” during the Second World War simply are not thinking.”
[No one but you claims that, but you’re not thinking]
“Consider: the Germans were fighting a losing war on two fronts against an enemy enjoying overwhelming numerical and material superiority. They were straining every resource to the limit to meet the demands of this two front war. Yet we are asked to believe that they were simultaneously exterminating six million Jews.”
[That the Nazis “were straining every resource” is why they were busy rounding up the unlimited resources of people to use as slave labor, and exterminating those who couldn’t work]
“But the demands that it would have imposed upon a small nation fighting the whole world go far beyond the merely impossible.”
[Small nation? Germany had a population of nearly 80 million almost 20% of Europe.]
“The Germans could not adequately maintain their armies on two fronts. ”
[Yep, and they lost too]
“But back to the logistics. The Germans had no means to exterminate the Jews even if they had intended to.”
[No? How’d they expect to win a two front war, water balloons?]
“The famous Zyklon B was merely a delousing agent for killing bugs.”
[Hey Bugman, lock yourself in a room for 10 minutes with 1kg of zyklon b and report back!]
“Those who subscribe to the legend of the extermination of the Jews love to bother themselves endlessly with bogus testimonies”
[Yeah, like the testimony of the perpetrators, the victims, and the eyewitnesses.]
Mr. John “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea,” “the first income tax came after WW1,” “Johnson gave up the powerful senate whip for the go-nowhere vice presidency” Larry Silverstein bought the twin towers Thames
The belief that people’s minds can be changed by facts . . . will never be true” for you
moRON…WTF are you talking about?
There were NO GAS CHAMBERS
9/11 was a false flag designed to demonize Muslims
JFK was MURDERED because he threatened the Federal reserve and wished to keep nukes from the hands of the scumbags who wished to enact the Samson Option
I’m on my third Dogfish Head…so be happy I didn’t just drop F-bombs all over you doops.
FRONT DOOR FOR JFK
It is well known that JFK was MURDERED because he threatened the FEDERAL RESERVE by delving into the “occult” in order to remove all powers of the mind and soul and to keep these powers within the circle of ruling scumbags who wished to enact the Samson Option.
The confiscation of my ouija board was right out of my horoscope today and is just a sick, twisted and perverted attempt, again, SUBLIMINAL!!! The suppression of human sexuality, to deprive Gentiles of occult power has its origins in the Far Eastern teachings of “Shakti” to hide the fact that there were NO GAS CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!
9/11 was a false flag designed to demonize MUSLIMS as intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATAN!!!!!! Which of course means “enemy” in Hebrew to the the scumbags who wished to enact the Samson Option!!
John, hANOVER fIST and I have proved on this website that sexual orgasm is the doorway to the power and advancement of the soul, and JFK was MURDERED because he threatened the Federal reserve which is really the FRONT DOOR to their minds, souls and bodies which all belong to “Jehova” which in reality is the scumbags who wished to enact the Samson Option in order to do 9/11 which was a false flag designed to demonize Muslims!!!!
It’s FUCKING WRONG, period! So so be happy I didn’t just drop F-bombs on you Khazar quislings because I’m on my third Doghead!!!!!!!!
Nice comment hANOVER fIST!!!!
White Pride Wordlwide! Strap on your hockey helmet before the baseball bats return cock smoking Khazars!!!!!
SWEET LAND OF ZION
The Zionist movement did not immediately conquer the hearts and minds of American Jewry. At the time of the Balfour Declaration, largely achieved through backroom diplomacy, the Zionist Organization of America had 149,000 members; four years later, it had only 18,000. The vast majority of America’s Jews in this period were in the communist/socialist camp, not the Zionist camp. Although the numbers rebounded a little by the mid-1920’s to 26,000, Zionism’s membership remained extremely low until Adolf Hitler recatalyzed Zionism in the 1930’s with his Jewish persecution program. Even so, the focus of World Zionism remained in London until the year 1939, the year of the infamous White Paper cutting off further Jewish immigration into Palestine and repudiating the creation of a Jewish state. It was only after the Zionists switched their power base to America under the Biltmore program that American Zionism began its real rise to power. Even so, the Zionists had a problem. Franklin Roosevelt, although surrounded by Jews, was not the least pro-Zionist. Roosevelt thought a Jewish state in Palestine a very poor idea for a lot of reasons. First, he thought that Jewish refugees should be allowed to go anywhere in the world, not just to Palestine where the Zionists wanted them directed. FDR’s long time confidante, Morris Ernst, encountered much hostility from Zionist groups as he conveyed these sentiments to Zionists around the country. Second, Roosevelt knew that the Arabs in Palestine violently opposed the creation of a Jewish state in their country. He had been well briefed by theWahabi Saudi King, Ibn Saud, on this matter shortly before the end of the Second World War. Thus, Roosevelt’s death solved an inconvenient problem for the Zionists. It would have been very difficult to attack a man they had so idolized while he lived. Once he was gone his anti-Zionism, unknown to the general public, could be buried in the archives while the considerably more pliant Harry Truman could be manipulated.
Thus, the rise of Zionism in America roughly coincided with the demise of the British Mandate over Palestine. The issue was placed in abeyance by the Second World War. After the war, with the British defunct and Roosevelt out of the way, American Zionism could be used to bulldoze the British out of Palestine by: (1) a gigantic propaganda campaign and (2) an immense gun running operation to supply the Jewish underground. With these two operations in place, American Zionism had arrived. The American Zionists did other things, of course. They were responsible for the partition of Palestine resolution of Thanksgiving week 1947 dividing Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. But by 1946-1947 all the nonsense of English Royal Investigating Commissions in Palestine was at an end. Zionist power, like the proverbial vampire, had sucked England dry. Now the Zionist vampire would settle down in Washington, D.C. and bleed the new superpower for Zionist purposes. There would still be pockets of opposition, of course. The State Department would remain full of unregenerate Arabists for quite some time. Walter Murray and Loy Henderson were two old timers who disliked the Jewish Bolsheviks and their Zionist cousins. The opposition would linger on until the late 1960’s when the last elements were eliminated by Joe Sisco and Henry Kissinger a few years later. The Zionists then took full control.
The rise of Zionism has been the decline of America. The parallel tracks match almost perfectly. The rise of the one nationalism has been the decline of the other. The Stars and Stripes no longer fly; the Blue and White of Zionism does. As White America disintegrates, the Jewish Nazism of Israel dictates to the rest of the world. America, like the empire upon which the sun never set, has made its “contract with Jewry”. The contract dictates submission and every politician of both political parties honors that submission.
Ronnie:
I’ve pasted your foreskin to your forehead so many times I’ve lost count. When you think of something intelligent to say, please let us know.
Hey Ronnie Schmuck:
Which is it? Were the Germans exterminating Jews or using them for labor? You can’t have it both ways. And if the Germans were exterminating them by means of mythical “gas chambers” and mobile “gas vans”, why were so many of them still alive after the war? Same tired old questions.
Hey Ronnie Dick Head of the Asinine Rhetorical Questions:
Wars are won by killing enemy soldiers, not by killing vastly exaggerated numbers of innocent, saintly Jews.
STUPID FUCK!
Wilburrr,
“Which is it? Were the Germans exterminating Jews or using them for labor? You can’t have it both ways.”
In fact, it was both.
Are you saying the Nazis couldn’t make a selection, say at a train depot using SS medical officers, to separate healthy young men and women capable of work from the children sick and elderly incapable of work?
And, even if sent to slave labor, they couldn’t then die of exhaustion, exposure, and disease from unsanitary conditions and a starvation diet in concentration camps?
Are these the “impossible logistics” you’re talking about?
That evil hANOVER fIST guy keeps exposing our scumbaggery, what with our efforts to rid the Goyim of their right to firearms: http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/08/dick-act-of-1902-cant-be-repealed-gun.html
Why does that bad ol’ John Thames keep posting factual information that puts the lie to jewish persecution? How are we gonna rule the world if everyone knows that we’d sell our mothers to a Mexican for a nickel”?
Oy gevalt.
Ha No Ver
“Why does that bad ol’ John Thames keep posting factual information that puts the lie to jewish persecution?”
Yeah he posts all kinds of factual information like: Germany is a “small nation”, Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea,” “the first income tax came after WW1,” “Johnson gave up the powerful senate whip for the go-nowhere vice presidency” and Larry Silverstein bought the twin towers.
He sure aint gettin no fancy 91 like you.
Excellent comment hANOVER fIST it couldn’t have been presented better.
Their efforts to rid the Goyim of their right to firearms is an intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATAN!!!!!! Which of course means “enemy” in Hebrew!!!!!
The Khazar’s are sick, twisted and perverted, again, SUBLIMINAL!!! The suppression of human sexuality, to deprive Gentiles of occult power has its origins in the Far Eastern teachings of “Shakti” to hide the fact that there were NO GAS CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone read Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9 Oooo that’s gonna sting Khazars!!!
Drop some F-BOMBS on those quislings!!!!
Wilburrrr
“Wars are won by killing enemy soldiers, not by killing vastly exaggerated numbers of innocent, saintly Jews.”
Good point - couldn’t have said it better myself - probably why the Nazis lost the war.
JEWISH ARMIES, THEN AND NOW
Students of the subject shall recall that during World War One the British Empire sponsored a Jewish Legion in Palestine, Jabotinsky’s so-called “Mule Corps” under the command of Lieutenant Colonel John Patterson. In 1939-1940 the Revisionist Zionists of Jabotinsky once again attempted to organize a Jewish Legion to fight in the British Army. Circumstances were this time were, however, much different. The same English who had made their famous “contract with Jewry” in 1917 this time feared antagonizing the Arabs of the Near East. Sponsoring a Jewish Legion could easily trigger a wholesale Arab revolt against English rule. The British had just issued a White Paper in May 1939 cutting off further Jewish immigration to Palestine. Sponsoring a Jewish army could be seen as a move against the White Paper which was undoubtedly pro-Arab in intent. Moreover, although the Jewish army might originally be used on behalf of the British, there could be little doubt that ultimately the Jewish Legion would be used to fight both the British and the Arabs in Palestine after the war. The mainstream, anti-revisionist Jewish leadership was also opposed to the idea. America was not yet in the war and attempting to organize a Jewish army for avowedly Jewish purposes could fuel the widespread accusations that Roosevelt was planning to fight a Jewish war for “Jewish purposes”. Thus, the odds were strongly against the formation of a Jewish Legion that was not in fact formed until 1944, long after the issue of the war was no longer in doubt.
Nevertheless, the Jabotinsky crowd made strenuous efforts to promote the idea of a Jewish Legion among the American and British politicos. Their efforts bear examining as those efforts show the Octopus like nature of Jewish power and how it operates to achieve its objectives. The revisionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky arrived in New York on March 13, 1940. He immediately launched a series of lectures in New York City. On June 19, 1940 shortly after the fall of France to the Nazis, a well-planned and organized convention was held in Manhattan Center. The event, the brainchild of Benzion Netenyahu, was a great publicity success. It included speeches by Jabotinsky and Colonel Patterson, plus endorsements by U.S. Senators Claude Pepper and Frederick Coudet, Jr. of New York and statements of approval by Czech consul Karel Hudec, Polish consul general Sylvester Gruszka and Yale University president Charles Seymour. The publicity event had been preceded by much groundwork. The revisionist activist Benjamin Azkin had done much of the preparation. Azkin, interestingly enough, had more success with isolationist Republican and Democratic Senators than he had with the mainstream Jewish leadership. For instance, when reviewing his discussions with Senator Wheeler, Azkin commented “I set (Wheeler) thinking along the road that if he doesn’t want us here, he must find us a state somewhere”. Senator Gerald Nye, the Democrat from North Dakota, was sufficiently impressed with Azkin’s arguments to author an essay for the June 20, 1940 issue of “American Jewish Chronicles”, a Revisionist-Zionist publication. Nye iterated the standard isolationist arguments about keeping America out of the war, restricting immigration to America, etc. but criticized Britain’s failure to keep its Balfour Declaration promises to the Jews. Azkin was, in effect, employing the standard Zionist technique of offering the anti-Semites the way of deporting their “Jewish problem” elsewhere.
With the American State Department strongly anti-Zionist, Azkin was considerably less successful in influencing State Department policy. Although he was able to arrange interviews with officials like refugee affairs counselor Herbert Pell and later Herbert Feis and James Dunn, his efforts led to no results. President Roosevelt was himself in favor of supporting the British on a Jewish army, realizing that military necessity and the prevention of an Arab uprising were paramount necessities. With the British Embassy, Benjamin Azkin was temporarily more successful. His initial meeting with Angus Malcolm, the British Embassy’s Secretary in charge of Jewish Affairs, was totally non-productive. However, on May 28, 1940 Azkin was able to secure an interview with British Ambassador lord Lothian, who quickly became an advocate of the Jewish army scheme, particularly after the defeat at Dunkirk. The British Minister of Information, Duff Cooper, was also in favor of the Jewish army scheme. Both Lothian and Cooper had to back off in the end because of the resistance of Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Nevertheless, the initial backing of the British ambassador to America buoyed revisionist hopes. Azkin also had some success with Eastern European diplomats who believed that a Jewish army would help liberate their countries from Nazi rule. Thus, for example, the leader of the Polish government-in-exile, General Sikorski, joined the crusade for a Jewish army. The Revisionists made inroads among the Canadians when the New Zionist Organization of America emissary, Elias Ginsburg, persuaded the Canadian Ministry of External Affairs official H.L. Keenlyside that Jewish army “transit training camps” would be approved on Canadian soil if England agreed. Labor Party leader Clement Atlee certainly agreed although Churchill did not.
Opposition from mainstream Jewish leaders was still intense. Rabbi Stephen Wise opposed the scheme because it would taint the Jews with the ancient charge of dual loyalty. The Zionist Organization of America journal “New Palestine” lamented that a Jewish army would be “mischievous in their effect on the status of American Jews”. The old- line Zionist organizations were able to persuade former American ambassador to Germany, James W. Gerard, who had originally been scheduled to speak at the meeting, to back down. The propaganda meeting still came off but much wind had been taken out of its sails. The Jewish army issue was by no means dead. It would resurface, again and again, as the war progressed. The issue illustrated the divisions that existed within the Jewish ranks and the fear of generating anti-Semitism that it raised. It also illustrated the inroads that militant Zionism was making in the U.S. government in those early days. Zionism was a force to be reckoned with even in those times. It has grown immensely more powerful in the ensuing decades. The end of its power is not in sight, as American armies are increasingly deployed for ever more transparently Zionist purposes.
Anus brain Welch could never pass one of my history master classes.
Ron Moron:
You ain’t getting any smarter.
The Nazis deliberately improved sanitary conditions in their camps to keep their slave labor alive. They also provided them with medical care to get them back to work when they fell ill. That isn’t the behavior of a mass murder program, Ronnie boy. And one other thing, genius. The Nazis were trying to win the war - which is why they used the Jews to produce for their war effort - and reserved most of the killing for enemy troops and Jewish partisans.
You aren’t very bright, Ronnie. That is why I try to be indulgent with your dumb dog brain.
One other thing, Ronnie Mutt.
You ain’t going to win the argument by harping on the fact that I made a small error on the port of Aquaba. You’ll have to come with something on point -which you are obviously incapable of doing.
Sayonara,
STUPID SHIT
howz abouts Germany is a “small nation”, “the first income tax came after WW1,” “Johnson gave up the powerful senate whip for the go-nowhere vice presidency” and Larry Silverstein bought the twin towers or any more of a number of completely ignorant made up facts that stem from your lack of knowledge of all things historical, political, business or commonsensical?
“all things historical, political, business or commonsensical?”
He is the very model of a muddled mind in general
His information vegetable, animal, and mineral
Has all been passed through filters, bias, and history nonsensical.
Mr Thames’ memory seems to be at issue here, which is probably a product of his substance abuse problems. There is also no such thing as a ‘PhD lecture’. A PhD is a doctoral qualification that takes at least 3-4 years to earn, and involves the production of a thesis. A lecture is a public address intended for educational/instructional purposes. I have the former, and do plenty of the latter.
My visit to Kew was in response to Mr Thames’ lies on the Santomauro thread (which for a period during this spring was the focus of his miserable life), particularly related to Einsatzgruppen activity (which he claimed was part of a counter-insurgency campaign), and also his claims that the Nazis rounded up European Jews to serve as forced labour, but did not actually attempt to exterminate them.
These complete fabrications - which no real historian takes seriously - can be refuted by a simple consultation of the archival evidence. What is more, a trip to Kew to see the Government Code and Cypher School decripts of SS/German police transmissions (all in the HW16 series) during the war corroborate what is already known and established about the Holocaust. It is, in short, more evidence for the deniers to ignore, but it is even more damaging for them because these are taken from radio transmissions from SS and police units at the time, and are not recollections or post-war testimonies offered in war crimes trials.
For example, the summary of reports in HW16/6 from 1941-1945 make instructive reading. Summary ZIP/MSGP28/, dated 12th September 1941, refers to the systematic execution of Soviet Jews behind the Wehrmacht’s line of advance, concluding that ‘the figures are no less conclusive as evidence of a policy of savage intimidation if not of ultimate extermination’.
A further summary, ZIP/MSGP29/, dated 22nd October 1941, records an order by SS General Kurt Daluege (head of the Ordungspolizei) ordering his subordinates commanding SS/police formations in the occupied USSR to cease reporting on Einsatzgruppen activities by radio. All information related to the mass killing of Jews is to be reported by secure means (e.g. by courier). Subsequent reports in the HW16/6 series continue to report on anti-partisan activity (as brutal as this was - see Philip W. Blood, Hitler’s Bandit Hunters: The SS and the Nazi Occupation of Europe (Washington DC: Potomac Books 2008), passim). What is explicit is the fact that this violence was distinct from the ‘aktions’ carried out by Einsatzgruppen. Hence the statement in the MSGP29 summary on police operations in the Ukraine, where ‘the only “successes” claimed during the first few days of September are the shooting or “liquidation” of 3353 Jews and a few partisans’. Note the difference here. Contrary to what Mr Thames is claiming, this was not counter-insurgency.
Aside from one reference to a massacre at Kremenchuk ordered by SS General Friedrich Jeckeln (responsible for Babi Yar and Rumbula) in ZIP/MSGP30, dated 14th November 1941, there are very few references to Einsatzgruppen activities after Daluege issued his edict on communications security. There are, of course, the odd hints. ZIP/MSGP37, issued 11th August 1942 contains the following statement on a Jew-operation was carried out in STARA-UTSCHITSZ (sic) and STUDENICA’ in Ukraine. ‘700, being incapable of work, were shot’. Mr Thames claim that the Nazis rounded up the Jewish population for work, but had no genocidal intentions, is exposed here for the lie that it is. The offhand manner in which the SS/police commander quoted shows that it was standard practice for Einsatzgruppen to kill those who were too old, too young and too infirm to be used as forced labour (and let’s not forget that those fit enough to do the latter were systematically worked to death - see see Ian Kershaw, Fateful Choices. Ten Decisions that Changed the World 1940-1941 (Penguin 2007), pp.431-432, pp.456-460. Also J. Noakes and G. Pridham (ed.), Nazism 1919-1945. Volume 3: Foreign Policy, War and Racial Extermination (Exeter: University of Exeter Press 1997), pp.1086-1102).
The decrypts do not tell the whole story (for an idea of the scale of the Einsatzgruppen’s activities, see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/a-holy-mission-to-reveal-the-truth-about-nazi-death-squads-1690595.html). But they do of course confirm to what is already known and established, which is that before the Nazis resorted to the gas chambers they tried less sophisticated means to wipe out Europe’s Jews.
Turning to the extermination camps, Mr Thames’ lies on this score are exposed by a simple consultation of the HW16/23 files, which contain the raw decrypts in German. GPDD 355a., sent 11th January 1943, contains the following sent by SS Major Hermann Hoefle (a subordinate to SS Major General Odilo Globocnik) to SS Lt Col Franz Heim (the deputy to SS Colonel Karl Eberhard Schoengarth, head of SS/police in the General Government). The names are of course important. Globocnik was responsible for Operation ‘Reinhardt’ (also spelt ‘Reinhard’ and ‘Reinhart’ in German documents), the extermination of all Jews within the General Government - the rump of Occupied Poland. Schoengarth - as is well known - was a participant in the Wannsee conference of January 1942 (Mark Roseman, The Villa, the lake, the meeting: Wannsee and the Final Solution (London: Penguin 2003). Also Noakes and Pridham, op.cit, pp.1125-1136). In this respect, Hoefle is recording here the ‘progress’ of ‘Reinhardt’ by January 1943:
13/15. OLQ de OMQ 1005 83 234 250
State Secret! To the commander of the Security Police, for the attention of SS Lieutenant-Colonel HEIM, KRAKOW.
Regarding fortnightly report on Operation REINHART. Reference radio telegram. Intake up until 31.12.42, L [Lublin-Majdanek] 12761, B [Belzec] 0, S [Sobibor] 515, T [Treblinka] 10335 total 23611. Sum total 31.12.42, L 24733, B 434508, S 101370, T 71355, total 1274166.
SS and Police Leader LUBLIN, HOEFLE, SS Major.
Hoefle was the ‘Section Head of Jewish Affairs – Special Action Reinhardt’, and the message above was clearly a response to an earlier telegram from Heim (the three-letter group OMQ on both messages clearly identifies the sending station as the SS-police headquarters in Lublin). There is either a typo in Hoefle’s original message or a fragment of this transmission was missed by the British decoders, hence the mismatch in the sum total from all three camps and the total figure of 1,274,166. As Peter Witte and Stephen Tyas note, if you read the total for Treblinka throughout 1942 as ‘713,555’, you have a perfect match (Peter Witte and Stephen Tyas, ‘A New Document on the Deportation and Murder of Jews during “Einsatz Reinhardt” 1942’, Holocaust and Genocide Studies 15 (2001), pp.488-486).
What is more, Witte and Tyas also show that the figures correlate with those provided by Dr Richard Korherr, who was commissioned by Himmler on 18th January 1943 to compile a report on The Final Solution to the Jewish Question, with the statistics provided by the RSHA. Korherr compiled a 16 page document, and (at the SS Reichsfuhrer’s request) a shorter version for Hitler’s attention. In both reports Korherr provided a total figure of 1,274,166 Jews (from Germany, Austria, Poland, and what was Czechoslovakia) under the heading ‘Emigration, Excess Mortality, and Evacuation’. ‘Emigration’ meant deportation to Poland, ‘evacuation’ meant mass murder. Both Korherr and Hoefle (independently) described a process in which Jews were forcibly deported to Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor and Majdanek, and then exterminated. Mr Thames cannot explain this documentary evidence away, but it is clear that by January 1943 you have over 1m exterminated in the death camps operated by the Nazis in the General Government, and we are not counting those slaughtered by the Einsatskommando and their local helpers in Latvia and Ukraine. Mr Thames is trying to convince us that the vast majority of European Jews survived the war, and were then incorporated into the USSR’s population. The facts and the evidence do not support him.
Incidentally, the question may be asked here why there is no ‘A’ for Auschwitz-Birkenau or ‘C’ for Chelmo. This is because both these extermination camps were not within the territorial bounds of the General Government - they were in the Warthegau (the provinces of Western Poland annexed by the Third Reich after September 1939). So neither Globocnik, Schoengarth or any of their deputies had any remit over these camps. Eichmann did - as of course he testified in his 1961 trial.
In summary, when it comes to the evidence at hand, real historians have the following:
• The fact that up to six million European Jews who were alive in 1939 (many of whom had relatives who had made it to safety in Britain, the USA, Palestine or other countries unoccupied by the Nazis during WWII) had disappeared by 1945.
• The testimony of those lucky enough to survive the death camps.
• The testimony of guilty Nazi officials (e.g. Adolf Eichmann, Franz Stangl, Paul Blobel, Rudolf Hoess etc) put on trial by the British, American, Soviet, West German, Polish, Czechoslovak and Israeli governments. In addition to this there is the testimony of minor SS participants such as Hans Munch, Josef Klehr, Walter Burmeister, Oskar Groning etc.
• The testimony of witnesses - notably those of the Polish Home Army, the Armija Krajowa (AK), who reported on the genocidal campaign against Jews in Poland during the German occupation, and passed their reports on to the Free Polish government in London.
• German written reports produced as evidence for the International Military Tribunals at Nuremberg, also subsequent trials (e.g. the Einsatzgruppen trial of 1948-1951).
• The collection of Himmler’s radio messages to his subordinates held by the US Holocaust Museum. German military operational situation reports on Barbarossa, held at Yad Vashem.
• The mass of documents held by the German Military Archives at Freiburg, not to mention the Institute for Contemporary History (Institut fur Zeitgeschichte) in Munich and the Research Centre for the History of National Socialism in Hamburg (Forschungsstelle fur die Geschichte des Nationalsozialismus) .
That beats the hell out of a discredited analysis of the Auschwitz gas chambers by an amateur with no training in chemistry or toxicology (http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/answers.txt), and one supposed ‘radar survey’ of the sites at Treblinka and Belzec, which even a premium scumbag like Frederick Toben is too embarrassed to present as ‘evidence’.
Mr Thames has become fixated by a document entitled ‘The Power And Aims Of International Jewry’ supposedly written by a US Army intelligence officer. He claimed to have seen this at the National Archives and Records Administration in Maryland, although when I pressed him to give me a precise reference he could only give me an RG number - no shelf number, no box/file number, nothing else. Mr Thames might not be aware of the sheer wealth of archival evidence available at NARA, but if you are going to do proper research you actually need to show a familiarity with the source material and exactly where it is located. This is what real historians do, after all.
But then Mr Thames has always been one who prefers quote-mining to real research. Take his breathless references to Joseph Bendersky’s ‘The Jewish Threat: Anti-Semitic Politics of the US Army’ (NY: Basic Books 2001). Bendersky’s book analysed the papers of the US Army’s Military Intelligence Division from 1918-1941 and identified the fact that junior and mid-level Army officers held very peculiar views about the so-called ‘Jewish conspiracy’. By selectively quoting Bendersky’s work (the quotes of which are probably cut and paste from neo-Nazi hate sites) Mr Thames tries to imply that Bendersky was describing a genuine ‘Jewish conspiracy’, rather than the figments of several under-employed officers’ imagination (MID officers might perhaps had been better employed looking at - say - the growing military might of Imperial Japan during the inter-war period). In this case, either Mr Thames is deliberately distorting Bendersky’s findings or - despite his pretences - he hasn’t actually read his book.
Anyway, that just about wraps it up for today. My trip to Kew was very helpful as I can use the HW16 sources in my lecture to students on what constitutes historical research. My presentation involves a detailed explanation of the tricks that Holocaust deniers play, and it usually arouses anger at their distortions, and contempt at how shallow and superficial their falsehoods are, and how easily they can be exposed. But just remember this, Mr Thames, I’m the one who’s teaching in higher education - and there are many more like me doing the same job as I am. Your only audience is that fellow window-licker, hANOVER fiST.
PS: I can’t help noticing that the so-called ‘Journal of Historical Review’ (the house journal of Mark Weber’s ‘Institute’) hasn’t published a single edition since 2002. I suppose there’s only so many fabrications that the deniers can come out with before they find they’re just repeating themselves.
“But then Mr Thames has always been one who prefers quote-mining to real research.”
That’s a good description of Thames’ style.
What he does is make up facts (getting them badly wrong). Or in an obvious appeal to authority - scans the usual nazi websites or finds portions of half printed books on google.books and claims to have read them - usually getting the titles, dates, premise, and authors wrong too.
PS It’s always fun to read because he gets the most basic facts so badly wrong, and it’s comforting to know the sort of people the subscribe to holocaust denial, creationism, conspiracy theories - and a new one I discovered in these comments: “the feminist hoax.”
Welchy:
In regards to your P.S. ” I can’t help noticing that the so-called ‘Journal of Historical Review’ (the house journal of Mark Weber’s ‘Institute’) hasn’t published a single edition since 2002.”
Have you ever considered that Mark Weber is “controlling the opposition”?
As to the rest…I’ll let John beat you up.
It has been suggested that you should attempt to control us the same way.
Instead you keep saying stupid thing after stupid thing. You have to realize that this tactic is nothing but canon fodder for our nuclear powered make Han look stupid gun.
Welchy,
Have you ever considered that Mark Weber is “controlling the opposition”?
Have you read Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9 ?
Did you know the nazarene is a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin?
How about that gentiles are severely threatened with delving into the “occult” in order to remove all powers of the mind and soul?
Ever considered that ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods?
Ever consider that the Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history of the jews, and intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew?
I bet you didn’t you QUISLINGS!
Oh and I don’t go to clinics, so strap on your hockey helmet before the baseball bats return.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/olympics/6008196/Adolf-Hitler-did-shake-hands-with-Jesse-Owens.html
Owens, who felt the newspapers of the day reported “unfairly” on Hitler’s attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s, the Daily Mail reports.
Mischner, who was a reporter at the time, claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: “That was one of my most beautiful moments.”
He said: “It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world’s press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler’s hand.
“The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens.
Webmaster’s Commentary: I wonder what else the press was lying about back in post WW2 America.
Fang,
hANOVER is his own nuclear powered make Han look stupid gun - you couldn’t make him look stupider in your wildest dreams.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/the-mousetrap
The Mousetrap
Published August 12, 2009
A mouse looked through the crack in the wall
to see the farmer and his wife open a package.
“What food might this contain?” The mouse wondered.
He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.
Retreating to the farmyard,
the mouse proclaimed this warning:
“There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The chicken clucked and scratched,
raised her head and said, “Mr. Mouse,
I can tell this is a grave concern to you,
but it is of no consequence to me.
I cannot be bothered by it.”
The mouse turned to the pig and told him,
“There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The pig sympathized, but said,
“I am so very sorry, Mr. Mouse,
but there is nothing I can do about it
but pray.
Be assured you are in my prayers.”
The mouse turned to the cow and said,
“There is a mousetrap in the house!
There is a mousetrap in the house!”
The cow said, “Wow, Mr. Mouse. I’m sorry for you,
but it’s no skin off my nose.”
So, the mouse returned to the house,
head down and dejected,
to face the farmer’s mousetrap
…alone…
That very night a sound was heard throughout the house
–the sound of a mousetrap catching its prey.
The farmer’s wife rushed to see what was caught.
In the darkness, she did no see it.
It was a venomous snake
whose tail was caught in the trap.
The snake bit the farmer’s wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital.
When she returned home she still had a fever.
Everyone knows you treat a fever
with fresh chicken soup.
So the farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard
for the soup’s main ingredient.
But his wife’s sickness continued.
Friends and neighbours
came to sit with her around the clock.
To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.
But, alas, the farmer’s wife did not get well…
She died.
So many people came for her funeral
that the farmer had the cow slaughtered
to provide enough meat for all of them
for the funeral luncheon.
And the mouse looked upon it all
from his crack in the wall
with great sadness.
So, the next time you hear
someone is facing a problem
and you think it doesn’t concern you,
remember —
When one of us is threatened, we are all at risk.
We are all involved in this journey called life.
We must keep an eye out for one another
and make an extra effort
to encourage one another.
–anonymous
Hmmm…is this the crispy dark boogie calling the kettle black? You tools are the equivalent of a “I $#*! my pants” cannon.
That was a very courageous and deeply moving post hANOVER fIST you tell it like it is: “When one of us is threatened, we are all at risk”
Now tell them jews to strap on their hockey helmets before the baseball bats return (my favorite line!!!) and you drop F-bombs all over those doops!
You da man han
“you couldn’t make [Han] look stupider in your wildest dreams.”
Well, he does keep one upping us. That’s for sure. I say his posts make him look stupid. He says our posts make him crap his pants. I almost want to keep pushing the button just to see how far it goes…
Han, just for the sake of science, do you crap your pants once for each time we post, or is it once every time you read what we’ve posted? And remember, this is for posterity so be honest.
Do you mean you guys don’t want your mud pies any more?
Do you know how much cheese I gotta eat to make those things?
Just for the sake of science…why don’t you nimrods get that BUILDINGS DON’T FALL INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS OF THEIR OWN ACCORD?
“Just for the sake of science…why don’t you nimrods get that BUILDINGS DON’T FALL INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS OF THEIR OWN ACCORD?”
That’s right, it takes several terrorists and a few hijacked planes.
And even then they still don’t fall into their own footprints. They damage the hell out of all the surrounding buildings as they fall.
“J’ACCUSE!” BY GERMAR ZOLA
Captain Elie Dreyfuss has been arraigned for giving secret crematory plans to the Germans. That is not merely treason to France; it is genocide against God’s Chosen People, proclaims state prosecutor Simon The Weasel. Poor Captain Dreyfuss wails, “It is a case of mistaken identity. It was really a capo in East Prussia who looks exactly like me!” “J’accuse!” thunders the great journalist Germar Zola. My forensic inkblot test shows that these plans are really a Bismarckian forgery to stain the honor of Captain Dreyfuss and provoke the Parisians. It says so in my journal, “The Corsican Fuehrer”.
Uproar is everywhere. Dreyfuss is convicted. But all is not lost. The appeal is to be heard by the Alliance Israelite Universelle with that great emancipated Jewess, Ruth Bader Cremieux, presiding. Justice triumphs. Revisionist jurisprudence is blessed by the French Academy so long as it exonerates kikes. Dreyfuss is acquitted. Nuremberg jurisprudence has triumphed in reverse. Viva La France! Viva Germar Zola! Viva il gas chamber! Just make sure Captain Dreyfuss does not return the crematory plans to the Institute For Historical review and all will be well. Mark Weber in the tri-coleur would spoil the show.
What’s that, Nazi slash fanfiction? Does the next paragraph contain references to circumsized [sic] penises and stuffing balls into people’s mouths?
At long last Mr. Welch has finally come up with his so-called “proof” of the extermination of the Jews. As we shall see, it fails miserably.
Welch produces proof only of what is already known - that the Germans shot large numbers of Jews in Russia. This has never been denied by anyone even remotely acquainted with this subject - and certainly not by me. Mr. Welch’s examples of proof are laughable indeed. Thus, he quotes a German document that 700 Jews were shot by the Germans after proving unfit for labor. The clear implication of this document is that, had the Jews been capable of performing labor, they would not have been shot. This is perfectly consistent with what I have been claiming all along - a fact that might be self-evident to Mr. Welch if he could actually think. Elsewhere, Mr. Welch points to German efforts to keep their security operations on te Eastern front secret. Apparently, Mr. welch does not know that all combatants in a war attempt to keep their operations secret from prying enemy ears. He seems to think there is something amazingly sinister about this. Welch next tries to reintrpret “Evacuate” as a euphemism for exterminate. He has no evidence for this at all but reaches the conclusion because it suits his purposes. Then, he tries to correlate the alleged German extermination with the Wannsee Conference which, as even Yehuda Bauer acknowledges, had nothing to do with an extermination program but only an evacuation program. Welch makes reference to the famous Babi Yar hoax, where the Germans supposedly shot tens of thousands of Jews and dumped the bodies into the ravine. The fact that aerial reconnaissance photos show no disturbances of soil at the alleged killing site apparently does not occur to Mr. Welch, a classic “paper historian” as Robert faurrisson would put it.
I would freely concede that there were a lot of shootings of Jews in Russia/Ukraine by the German troops. The Russian Jews were communists to the core and richly deserved to be shot. Mr. Welch thinks that the Germans committed a crine in disposing of these Jews; I think they performed a public service. This brings up another point that Mr. Welch deliberately confuses to make his case - the alleged “innocence” of the Jews. To do this Mr. Welch must cover up the Jewish involvement in communism. We once again see him up to his old tricks in his explaining away of Professor Bendersky’s book. This requires extended analysis because it clearly reveals Mr. Welch’s sleight of hand. First, the pseudo-scholarly Mr. welch tries, once again, to call the authenticity of “The Power And Aims Of International Jewry” into question. Since he is obviously aware that this imposture will not hold up, he then attempts to minimize the document (which is actually only one of the most representative of many thousands of similar documents of the period) by claiming that it only reflected the mindset of lower level MID (Military Intelligence Department) officials and hence, was of no special significance. This is an outrageous lie, as anyone who has actually read Professor Bendersky’s book cover to cover (I have, Mr. Welch’s insinuations to the contrary notwithstanding) would know. In fact, this mindset was everywhere in American government circles during the 1920’s and it persisted, strongly, for at least two decades further, finally petering out in the early 1960’s. Anyone who wishes to verify this need merely read Professor Bendersky’s book, instead of relying upon the deliberate prevarications of Mr. Welch.
Joseph Welch then tries to claim, once again, that I am merely making up the retreat of many hundreds of thousands of Jews into the interior of the Soviet Union ahead of the German advance. He also mocks my claims that there too many Jews alive after the war for the extermination claims to be true. Just how he explains the 80% Jewish Soviet satrapies in Poland, Hungary and Rumania after the war he does not explain, just as he does not explain the hundreds of thousands of Jews who migrated to Palestine and the Americas. One must not expect too much from an apostle of official history, who will lovingly quote German documents he misinterprets to sustain his thesis, while ignoring documents on Jewish involvement in communism that he wishes to disbelieve.
Mr. Welch casts aspersions on my research abilities by saying that I quote “selectively”. That this charge can be leveled against anyone is too much for Joseph Welch’s feeble brain to comprehend. What Mr. Welch truly dislikes is that I quote accurately from many sources, all of them consistent and telling a story which Joesph Welch does not like. This offends Mr. Welch’s academic “amor propre”. It must be intensely irritating to ivory tower anus brains like his to be so thoroughly demolished by a rank amateur who knows a hundred timres more than he ever will. Too bad for you, Mr. Welch.
Hey Ronnie:
I don’t need to cut and paste from Google book previews because I have all the books on my shelves where I can consult them. You might do the actual reading yourself some day - but that would take both intelligence and hard work. You lack the one and could never master the other.
Mr. Welch:
I have no drug problem as you allege, only the thinking mind that you lack. As to your misrepresentations on Mr. Bendersky’s book, I agree with Professor MacDonald who says that despite Bendersky’s best efforts, one must believe, in the end, the MID and State Department officials, not Bendersky’s efforts to whitewash the facts. But since you like to whitewash facts too, it is obvious which approach you prefer.
Mr Thames, you may be too stupid to realise this, but while you have started out as a Holocaust denier, you have actually ended up confirming what proper historians have already argued, that Nazi Germany engaged in a systematic attempt to exterminate Europe’s Jewish population, on the grounds of the spurious ‘threat’ that the ‘Jewish conspiracy’ allegedly posed to the ‘Aryan’ race.
The key difference between you and the pseudo-scholars you quote (notably Faurrison) is that they are outright deniers, while you have basically admitted that you share the loathsome ideology of the perpetrators of the Final Solution.
Just remember that for all your insults, I’m the educator here. Very few people will ever read your distortions and lies, and those that do will react (with one or two cretinous exceptions) with contempt and scorn for you. You belong in a gutter, Mr Thames. Despite your pretentions to scholarship, your obsessive visits to this site betray you as someone who is a voice in the wilderness, and you know it.
MIEN FUHRER - HEIL HEIL HEIL
Adolf Hitler was an Australian Jew who saw an opportunity for an easy rise to wealth in the growing but still small Nazi (National Socialist) party of Germany. His plan was simple - just put a socialist brand on what amounted to corporate fascism, and it was an easy sell to Germany! Meanwhile, he took up a plan to kill any other Jew who might catch onto his plan - be they bankers, lawyers, or even commies following the writings of Karl Marx - another antisemitic German Jew with a different, competing plan for global domination. Whether you admire him or not, you have to admit - Adolf Hitler sure could have killed a lot more deserving Jews than he did.
During his dictatorial reign of Nazi Germany, Hitler exterminated somewhere around six million Jews in the fictitious Lolocaust. Despite his inablity to kill sneaky Jews hiding behind the Ural mountains, Hitler also invented the Volkswagen and still holds the high score in IRL Risk. He broke new strategic ground with his Blitzkrieg tactics, which effectively meant that he was in your nation, killing your j00z. On the other hand, Hitler was also a sensitive man. When he was younger, Hitler went to art school. He was a vegetarian, a non-smoker, and also had a mustache. On the downside, he dropped out of art school, slept until three in the afternoon every day, and threw temper tantrums if you tried to wake him up.
Another little known fact was that he was a great big fan of the circumsized [sic] penis. His memoirs note that favorite afternoons were spent putting in some quality groin inspection time down in the ghettos. For a rare treat he’d also stuff some balls in people’s mouths.
Welchy…what’s a “pseudo-scholar” - someone who disagrees with your BS opinions?
Anyone who allowed a plane to be taken over by boxcutter-wielding morons deserve their fate.
A WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN
Rational arguments are usually of limited effectiveness in overturning worldviews. Worldviews are produced by immersion in prevailing attitudes. That immersion consists of such things as movies, popular magazines, newspaper editorials, books, fiction, the scholarly orthodoxy of the time and the ideas of the man in the street which are the product of all these things. To overcome all these things through point-for-point refutation is an almost insuperable task. Replacing a worldview with a new one requires a defining event. The defining event of mid-twentieth century America was the Second World War. That defining event overturned traditional American attitudes on a great many subjects. The defining event of the twentieth century, if it occurs, shall be the exposure of the hoax of the Nazi “gas chambers”. When a blind man recovers his sight he is, quite literally, living in a new world. Things he could previously only imagine become real before his eyes. So shall it be if the truth about Nazi “gas chambers” ever comes out. The hoax of the “six million” is, in a very real sense, the “Mother of All Lies”. Expose this lie and the paternity of all that happens in the modern world comes into question. If the Jews have swindled the world with this story what other lies have they fostered upon the world? Is it a lie that Adolf Hitler was out to conquer the world? Is it a lie that the Jews had little or nothing to do with communism? Is it a lie that Israel is a “democracy” threatened by Arab tyrrany? Is it a lie that the United States is morally obligated to run about the world destroying incipient Hitlers?
But those are only the most immediate questions and they relate only to the Second World War and its principal actors. Does the hoax of the “six million” mean that there actually is an international Jewish conspiracy at work? Do the infamous Protocols of Zion merit another look? Should the hidden history of Zionism and the cover up on the ethnic origins of Soviet communism be re-analyzed as part of a pattern of international intrigue of which the mythical “gas chambers” are the tip of the hidden iceberg? What does the cover up of the findings of revisionist researchers tell us of the corruption of the universities as outlined in the Protocols? How extensive is Jewish commercial and political power that anyone who dares to publicly discuss this hoax lives in fear of social ostracism and career destruction? For how many centuries has coordinated Jewish power been building behind the scenes that in mid-twentieth century it has been able to perpetrate a hoax of such dimensions? Was Adolf Hitler really a madman or was he a farsighted seer locked in deadly combat with a power far greater than even he imagined?
It is not necessary to attempt the answers to these questions here. It is only necessary to raise the questions to show that if the Nazi “gas chamber” hoax becomes public knowledge then the world literally spins on its axis.
Mr. Welch:
To be called a pseudo-scholar by a clown like you is an enormous compliment. As to educational abilities, I have absorbed more knowledge on more subjects than you could even begin to master. Many fine minds have worked in the wilderness; it is the usual fate of being beyond one’s contemporaries. As to Nazi ideology, you do not even know what it is. I do, which is why I do not subscribe to it.
As to the rest of your impotent ravings, regurgitate them to your students. I am not one of your students; you have nothing to teach me.
‘Welchy…what’s a “pseudo-scholar”’
Someone who pretends to read books and cuts and pastes quotes, like your pal Thames.
‘Anyone who allowed a plane to be taken over by boxcutter-wielding morons deserve their fate.’
Other than the explicit vileness of this statement, you’re probably too stupid to realise that you’ve just undermined every one of your bullshit arguments about 9/11 by admitting that four aircraft got hijacked by genuine terrorists.
You’re a bit of a simpleton, aren’t you? No wonder you and Mr Thames get on so well. It’s bit like watching a sordid parody of King Lear and his fool.
Dear Colleagues,
It appears that David Irving has been claiming he has been imprisoned in Austria. As a distinguished historian I have already researched these future claims and can categorically state they are untrue, for the following reasons:
1) There are no prisons in Austria- I have checked the leading source The AA Book of the Road Europe and can confirm that no prisons are marked. Any claim that they are all hidden under the U in AUSTRIA can be dismissed as can any attempt to make a sinister interpretation of those areas marked ‘campsite’.
2) Demographic information in the Austrian and British Censuses are not sufficiently accurate to substantiate a figure as large as 1 British Academic being permanently detained in Austria during the period 2006-9. Without confirmatory evidence from such official sources no such claims can be made.
3) The experience of prison is so horrific, a non-stop round of homosexual rape and enforced occupational training in macramé-making that non-one who had experienced it would wish to remember it. The fact that he will claim he can remember it proves beyond doubt he wasn’t there.
4) Irving is in his sixties. He is therefore senile and incontinent and cannot be regarded as a reliable witness. In order to do so he would have to be in his thirties. As this would mean he would have to make the accusation 30 years before the events happened this throws even more doubt upon the reliability of his evidence and his personal integrity.
Controversial as it may seem, I have to emphatically deny in advance that David Irving was ever imprisoned in Austria. I hope this will not lead to a lifetime of persecution by the very discipline I have tried so faithfully to serve and uphold.
JW
“Other than the explicit vileness of this statement, you’re probably too stupid to realise that you’ve just undermined every one of your bullshit arguments about 9/11 by admitting that four aircraft got hijacked by genuine terrorists.”
How is typing this statement an admission?
I can only imagine that your students are fucking dullards who take every stupid utterance from your dung-smeared mouth as gospel. They will face a real challenge when they attempt to go out into the real world with the inane mutterings you’ve uttered being taken as fact..
As far as your literary insults go…it’s more like JT and I are Hop-Frog and his intended, and you idiots are the King and his sycophants, who Hop-Frog tricks into being tarred, feathered and ultimately immolated.
Don’t bore us with Edward deVere’s tales.
Oh…and are you looking forward to being senile when you hit sixty? I actually find it offensive that you ascribe senility to a strict age designation.
Ha!
Which angry dwarf are you Han, Hop frog or Trippetta? I’m going to have to say Trippetta. Does John know how you feel about him? Are you going to help him murder us all for arguing that the Germans killed 6 million Jews and that Al-Qaeda attacked America with Hijacked aircraft?
I swear to God just when I think you can’t get more ridiculous you go and post again.
“Oh…and are you looking forward to being senile when you hit sixty? I actually find it offensive that you ascribe senility to a strict age designation.”
You’re even more of a dunce then I thought if you think Joseph, (and not some sock puppet), actually posted that.
Are you saying he didn’t write this?
4) Irving is in his sixties. He is therefore senile and incontinent and cannot be regarded as a reliable witness. In order to do so he would have to be in his thirties. As this would mean he would have to make the accusation 30 years before the events happened this throws even more doubt upon the reliability of his evidence and his personal integrity.
Your hockey helmet needs some loosening, Trippetta.
http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/08/female-police-officer-tells-of-massive.html
Al-Qaeda? You mean the MADE-UP organization?
I am so gullible. Before, I thanked a poster who posted for the specific purpose of mocking me. Now this. I read the post again, Slowly. I used those independent critical thinking skills I purport to possess and I have determined that, yes, Joseph Welsh posted a serious post that claims:
1. There are no prisons in all of Austria
2. There aren’t enough people in Britain for 1 British Person to be in an Austrian prison.
3. Prisoners never remember being incarcerated.
4. Everyone who is older than 60 is senile.
I’m sure that he really believes those facts and I’m quite offended that he would libel all senior citizens as crazy.
What a tool.
I’ll assume that this is moRON, since he used the same stupid URL he always types. I guess the very cogent postings by John Thames and I are starting to sting.
Dear readers - the one thing I implore is for you to conduct your own research - don’t take my word or anyone else’s.
These are the things on which I differ from the trolls and mental patients who occupy this site like settlers in people’s homes:
- The events of September 11th, 2001, were NOT perpetrated by Arabs;
- The number of SIX MILLION is a fabricated number in terms of the actual deaths of Jews during WW2;
- Zionism is FASCISM
If I am a fanatic, I’m fanatical about restoring my great nation, the United States of America, to its former glory. Nothing more, and nothing less. I believe than JT and other like-minded individuals agree with me.
A PROFOUNDER STUDENT OF AFFAIRS
Everyone remembers Senator Joseph McCarthy. Few, if any, remember California State Senator Jack Tenney. Yet Tenney, although he never reached the national stage, was in many ways the more memorable figure. Tenney was the head of the State UnAmerican Activities Committee. He spearheaded many anticommunist drives, particularly against the University of California. One of Tenney’s many verbal blasts against U.C. claimed that its professors could more easily pass a loyalty oath to Soviet Russia than to the United States. There is no doubt that he was right. Tenney differed from McCarthy in two key respects. (1) He was considerably more scholarly and (2) He was willing to tackle the Jewish angle head on, something McCarthy never dared to do. To this day, the Jews of the older generation despise Tenney even more than they despise McCarthy. They realize, correctly, that Tenney was the greater enemy.
Jack Tenney was driven out of California politics in 1954 when his own party, the Republican, repudiated him. Indeed, in what was then an unparalleled development in political warfare, the Republicans joined with the Communist Party in “ getting Tenney”. After being driven from politics Tenney devoted his time to writing and research. And that is the real reason the Jews hate Tenney – he was the first true revisionist researcher and writer. Tenney wrote many books on Jewish subversion long before it became popular to do so. His great masterpiece was “The Beasts of the Apocalypse”. But he wrote many others, such as “Zion’s Trojan Horse”., etc. Tenney meticulously documented the Jewish connection with Communism and Communism’s connection with Zionism. For this the Jews never forgave him. Jack Tenney was a man ahead of his time. Those who read his books written in the 1950’s can see his remarkable prescience in seeing what was coming. He wrote in 1958 of a one race, mixed breed world with employed women as the norm. That world was inconceivable in 1958. Now it is an accomplished fact – exactly as he foresaw.
Jack Tenney knew the power which ruled the world. He exposed it and documented it thoroughly. In the process he earned the enmity of Jewry to this day. They remember and detest him. That is his real epitaph, not the insignificant few who still read his works.
“I guess the very cogent postings by John Thames and I are starting to sting.”
Yes, your posts to illustrate that you’re an angry Satan worshiping dwarf with a load in his pants are really starting to sting. Seriously there’s tears in my eyes and my stomach has never been this sore
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/
Very insightful.
Did Fangfuck say something?
WIlburrr,
“Tenney was the head of the State UnAmerican Activities Committee. He spearheaded many anticommunist drives, particularly against the University of California.”
That’s why he’s so memorable? Really? He basically copied McCartyhy’s playbook and lobbed a “verbal blast” at a UCLA professor? Wow, no wonder no one’s heard of him.
“Jack Tenney was driven out of California politics in 1954 when his own party, the Republican, repudiated him. Indeed, in what was then an unparalleled development in political warfare, the Republicans joined with the Communist Party in “ getting Tenney”. After being driven from politics Tenney devoted his time to writing and research. And that is the real reason the Jews hate Tenney – he was the first true revisionist researcher and writer. ”
Is this the long way of saying he lost his primary? Could it be he lost because he just stunk? Naa, too easy - no plot!
“They remember and detest him.”
Right. Never heard of him.
Hey Ha No Ver
“If I am a fanatic, I’m fanatical about restoring my great nation, the United States of America, to its former glory”
With ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination FOR ALL, so Gentiles can communicate with their own TRUE Gods!
And ban the Bible because it’s nothing more than intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew!!!!!
And restore the holy nazarene a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin!
Oh say can you see by the dawn’s early light lalalalal….
There’s a baseball bat to the hockey helmet which has gotta sting QUISLINGS!
DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THEY TELL YOU
In all the nonsense that has been written about Adolf Hitler and the German National Socialist regime there are really very few analyses which stand the test of the facts. One of the rarities that does appears on pp. 349-350 of Volume One of “American Liberalism and World Politics, 1931-1941: Liberalism’s Press and Spokesmen on the Road Back to War Between Mukden and Pearl Harbor” by James J. Martin. Martin writes:
“One of the earliest and most extravagant attackers of Hitlerian violence was Villard in his signed weekly page in the ‘Nation’. His April 12, 1933 comment, ‘The Folly of Adolf Hitler’, asserted that Hitler already admitted borrowing many of his ideals from America; his Aryan race doctrines from Madison Grant, his crusade on the Jews from a book by Henry Ford, his technique of raising funds from both our major political parties, and his exclusionist views on Germany for the Germans from American immigration laws. He bitterly criticized Hitler for trying to rehabilitate industrialists and financiers as leaders, on the grounds that they had been ‘utterly discredited’ for all time by the world depression, and chided him for not having taken advantage of the opportunity to learn something from the history of Russia. But his ‘greatest folly’ undoubtedly was his estranging of the goodwill of Americans, Frenchmen and Britons by allowing his followers to victimize their defeated enemies.
In many ways this was one of the best summaries of liberal opinion on Germany; and helps to explain why most of it was so futile, as well as failing to explain anything. Liberals such as Villard seemed to think that Hitler had come to power solely for the purpose of vexing Britain, France and the United States into unpopular domestic policies. That he was speaking to an internal audience and to a surrounding region of Central and Eastern Europe which did not share most western views did not seem to enter the American liberal consciousness. Thus, they never understood the waxing of his power and the entrenchment and growing popularity of his program. They dutifully predicted his collapse several hundred times on every issue imaginable, told the world his regime was the shakiest and weakest in the memory of man, encouraged their readers to expect all manner of swift revolutionary uprisings, including mass popular rejection, none of which was justified by the facts. Once these brave oracular excesses had all failed to materialize, they substituted a picture fully as false, the specter of an irresistible, all-encompassing evil genius of power, capable of obtaining mastery of the planet. This was the frightful apparition which was used at the end of the decade to mobilize American liberalism for a showdown war, and it was as untruthful as the prior image of laughing debility and bungling incompetence.”
Dr. Martin is entirely correct. Anyone who takes the time to read the liberal journals of opinion on National Socialism’s early days shall quickly discover that Hitler was derided as a clown and his regime as a house of cards that would soon fall. This image has long since been forgotten because of the wartime propaganda of immense Nazi power. But it still stands as an indictment of the stupidity of liberals and their capacity for talking out of both sides of their mouth – without, of course, ever remembering that they did so. Oswald Garrison Villard badly misjudged National Socialism in Germany but he was at least correct that there were elements in it that were consistent with American and Ango-Saxon ideas of the time. Jews were not popular in pre-WW2 America or England, the Jewish-Communist equation so beloved by Hitler was held throughout the American State Department and the British Foreign Office as well and the idea of white supremacy was common to the era. This is not to say that National Socialism was an American system because, as Dr. Martin rightly points out inn Volume 2 of his study, National Socialism strictly regulated business and restricted consumer consumption to build capital investment for war industry. Marin again points out that this National Socialist policy was in complete contradiction to the early to mid-1930’s Marxist propaganda that National Socialism was a front for capitalists. In actual fact, capitalists and big business in particular were extremely restive and resentful of Nazi control. Their production schedules and prices were strictly regulated by Nazi gauleiters to promote State interests, not private profit.
Dr. Martin’s study is not an analysis of Nazi Germany but a study of intellectual flip-flops of the Depression decade of liberalism. The liberal misrepresentations of Adolf Hitler’s National Socialism were but a mirror image of the even more outrageous misrepresentations of Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Russia during the same period. The reader interested in the details may consult the vastly informative “American Liberalism and World Politics”. For the purposes of this essay it is sufficient to note that modern liberalism painted a false picture of National Socialism in Germany from the moment it appeared on the scene –and then replaced the initial image with an equally false image that has persisted to this day. The moral is: Never believe what respectable opinion tells you.
and never ever ever believe what unrespectable opinion tells you!
Mr. Welch:
Your attempts at reductio ad absurdum are as pathetically inept as your attempts at writing accurate history.Why don’t you just give up? You’re pathetic.
You should change the title of your essay to:
“DON’T BELIEVE WHAT I TELL YOU”
THE JEWS OF RUSSIA
The Jews of Russia were essentially split over four issues in Czarist Russia:
(1) Democratic socialism versus socialism by terror (Bolshevism);
(2) Socialism in Russia versus socialism in Palestine;
(3) Socialism versus Zionism;
(4) Socialism and Zionism in combination.
Those were the divisions in Russian Jewry in the years 1880 through 1920; those remain the ideological splinter groups in Jewry today. Democratic socialism meant the Bund, the General Confederation of Jewish Labor of Lithuania-Poland, formed in 1897. Socialism by terror meant the Russian Social democratic Labor Party, later renamed the Communist Party, split into its Bolshevik and Menshevik factions. The Bund and the Jewish Socialist Workers Party were anti-Zionist, although the latter admitted that socialism and Jewish nationalism were not incompatible. The Zionist-Socialist Workers Party and Poale-Zion were avowedly Zionist and Socialist in nature. These combinations worked with and influenced all the other revolutionary parties in Russia, including the Social Revolutionaries. In short, the differences were less important than the essential agreement. Socialism and Zionism were the twin ambitions of Russian Jewry. They could intersect or conflict. One Jew might find them irreconcilable; another Jew might synthesize them. One Jew might live in Russia wearing commissars uniform; another Jew might work on a kibbutz in Palestine. The same Jew might do both over a period of years. The New Moscow and the New Jerusalem were frequently the same.
Today, the New Jerusalem is regarded as an outpost of western civilization. At one time it was regarded as an outpost of Muscovite Bolshevism in Arab Palestine. It was even briefly regarded as a possible cure for the Marxism raging in Russia. That it could never be, for it was bathed and nourished in Marxism. It differed only in that it wanted its capitol in the ancient Jewish homeland, not in Mother Russia. Lenin was the Moses in the Kremlin; Weizmann was the Moses in Jerusalem. These two poles of Jewish messianism have revolutionized the world since they first appeared. The havoc wreaked by Marxism on Russia is well known. The ultimate consequences of Zionism in Palestine have yet to be seen.
Ronnie:
You are too dumb to tell anyone anything.
ROOSEVELT’S NOT SO ENTHUSIASTIC WAR PARTY
One of the myths of pre-WW2 isolationism in America is that it was the Republicans, the opponents of Franklin Roosevelt’s new Deal, who led the opposition to entry into the war whereas it was the Democrats, the supporters of the New Deal, who led the charge to stop Hitler. The truth is that it was more or less the reverse (with some crossing of party lines). Many Republicans were quite enthusiastic about intervening in Europe a second time. This was particularly true among “all the king’s men” on the east coast where Anglophile sentiment ran quite high. A leader of pro-war sentiment among this group was Nicholas Murray Butler, head of Columbia University. Another pro-war Republican was Justice Owen Roberts of the Supreme Court. He conducted the first whitewash investigation of Pearl Harbor for FDR which predictably concluded that the Pearl Harbor commanders were to blame. Roberts then established a Chicago newspaper to push the pro-war message. Certainly there were antiwar Republicans, like the one term Congressman from Montana, Jacob Thorkelson. Another was the famous Jeanette Rankin, the Montana Congresswoman who cast the sole vote against Franklin Roosevelt’s demand for war following Pearl Harbor. Florence Kahn, the Jewess Republican from San Francisco who was also a member of the America First Committee, similarly opposed intervention. But the fact remains that the Republicans were basically interventionists.
The pro-New deal Democrats, however, turned against Roosevelt’s war plans in large numbers. The leader was, of course, Senator Burton Wheeler of Montana. Wheeler had previously enjoyed a reputation as a socialist radical before turning against Roosevelt’s war plans. Wheeler was joined by democratic Senator Gerald P. Nye who wrote a stinging rebuke to British war propagandists with his famous speech “Aggression Builds The British Empire”. Nye pointed out in scholarly fashion and with great detail that the British screaming about British aggression in Central Europe were the same British who had been plundering the planet for centuries. Thus, Nye recounted the pillaging of France in the time of Joan of Arc, the innumerable depredations of the English in Africa and Asia, the looting of India by William Hastings, the opium wars against China, the raiding and looting of the shipping of other nations and the ravaging of Ireland, among other offenses. Who were these English, Nye wondered, to be passing judgment on the territorial acquisitions of other nations? Nye received no response to his queries, anymore than did Dr. Joseph Goebbels in Berlin to his speeches asking precisely the same questions. Senator Hiram Johnson in California was another Democrat who took exception to Roosevelt’s war plans. Isolationist Republicans like Senator Langer from Idaho shared substantially the same concerns.
Despite the crossing of party lines on America’s neutrality, support for Roosevelt’s socialist New Deal did not in these days translate automatically into support for Roosevelt’s sacrifice of neutrality and non-intervention, anymore than support for his New Deal translated automatically into support for his court packing scheme. The tradition of “America First” was very strong in those days, and the tradition was reinforced by the disastrous American intervention in World War One which destroyed the balance of power in Europe and led to the disastrous Treaty of Versailles. Before Pearl Harbor public opinion was running about 85% against intervention. Roosevelt never did achieve a consensus of opinion in favor of intervention in Europe, not even among his own Party. The revolt of the Democratic Party against war in Europe is one of the key proofs that the myth of the “Good War” is precisely that. The “Good War” became “good” only after the fact. This is one of many points that have disappeared from public consciousness as the actual facts of WW2 and its antecedents have dissolved into patriotic myth.
SOTOMAYOR AND AMERICAN IDEALS
The opposition to Sonia Sotomayor’s nomination to the Supreme Court is revolving around the claim that she is a racist. That she surely is, as proved by her membership in La Raza. But the opposition hides behind the false allegation of equal opportunity for all as the American ideal. America is supposedly the land where anyone can get ahead, regardless of race or gender. That is a lie. America was never founded on any such ideal and anyone who has ever read an American history text knows it. America was white racist long before the colonies ever became a country. At no [point did the colonials ever believe that a black slave or an Indian was the equal of a white. The founding fathers were largely slave owners. They denied women the vote. It was the white Supreme Court Justice Tanney, who wrote the famous Dred Scott decision. It was the white southerner, John C. Calhoun, who proclaimed in the aftermath of the 1848 war with Mexico that never “should the inferior brown race be put on an equal footing with the superior white race”. It was Abraham Lincoln, the liberator of the slaves, who denied that the black race should ever be put on an equal footing with the white race. It was race conscious American whites who passed the 1924 and 1952 Immigration Acts, designed to preserve America’s Anglo-Saxon Nordic stock from racial contamination by Eastern European Slavs and Jewish Communists.
Never, in their entire history, have Americans believed in the fiction of racial equality. Yet gutless politicians, pandering to the Mexican vote, proclaim that Sonia Sotomayor should be kept off the Supreme Court because she does not believe in the “American tradition” of equality for everyone. It is time to face facts. The choice is not between equality for everyone and racism. The choice is: Whose racism? America shall either be ruled by white racism or minority racism. There is no middle ground called equality for everyone. Sonia Sotomayor is a test case. She is the test of whether whites wish to hold onto their country – or whether they shall surrender to the minorities. Whites shall not hold onto their country by espousing a false position. Equality for everyone is a position that cannot be defended because it is a lie. There is only one position that can be defended – America for the whites who created it and for no one else.
Wilburrrrr,
“Roosevelt never did achieve a consensus of opinion in favor of intervention in Europe, not even among his own Party. The revolt of the Democratic Party against war in Europe is one of the key proofs that the myth of the “Good War” is precisely that.”
You’re such a dope, why do you persist?
The history of the neutrality acts shows exactly which party and who voted for what. In 1937, after the munich conference a Gallup polls showed 73% of americans were in favor keeping mandatory arms embargo.
By 1939, after the occupation of Czechoslovakia and the sinking of the Athenia, a Gallup poll showed 62% of americans were in favor of repealing the mandatory arms embargo, and in fact, the Congress (overwhelmingly Democrat) did repeal the arms embargo.
“The “Good War” became “good” only after the fact” of Hitler’s aggression was revealed to the world, and well before pearl harbor and our declaration of war.
Wilbur you’re so cute when you’re angry!
“The opposition to Sonia Sotomayor’s nomination to the Supreme Court is revolving around the claim that she is a racist. That she surely is..”
First of all, there opposition against sotomayor is over, she was already sworn in dummy.
“Never, in their entire history, have Americans believed in the fiction of racial equality”
You really are an ignoramous on all things historical.
Besides, you are the biggest racist in the counrty. Maybe if you get a little taste of what racism feels like you might reconsider how wrong you’ve been. heheh
http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2009/08/dark-implications-of-nanothermate-in.html
JT - whites need to grow back their balls and take back the nation from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives.
HISTORICAL LEGAL INTERPRETATION
Those who imagine that the new “hate crimes” statute shall protect freedom of speech need to take a lesson from the history books. When the famous Balfour Declaration was issued, it promised to create a Jewish “national home” in Palestine, provided that nothing would be done which might prejudice the “civil and religious rights” of the indigenous, non-Jewish communities of Palestine”. The latter provision was essentially meaningless and proved to be so in ensuing decades. So too, with provisions in the hate crimes law that rowdy speech shall not be considered an incitement to violence except in the most extreme cases. The claim by the proponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that it would never lead to quotas or “affirmative action” was made meaningless by Balfour declaration minds on the Supreme Court. The guarantees are mere camouflage and shall be stripped away once the legislation is passed. It is instructive to see the way this is done. Let us take the Balfour Declaration as the model. According to the Zionist interpretations of the 1930’s, the Balfour Declaration contained both a major premise and a minor premise. The major premise was that a Jewish “national home” in Palestine should be created. The minor premise was that the rights of the Arabs should be protected. It was decided that the major premise (the Jewish “national home”) trumped the minor premise, the rights of the Arabs. It is rather like the Supreme Court’s misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. The major premise (the national militia) is what is guaranteed, not the minor premise (the right to bear arms). So too, the courts shall decide that the major premise (the prevention of hate) trumps the minor premise (the protection of free speech).
Now obviously, the technique employed here is the logic of a certain cagey “tribe”. Once the modus operandi is established, it never varies. The result of the Balfour Declaration was that the Arabs of Palestine, whose rights were to be protected, were expelled from their country. The results of hate crimes laws will be to extinguish criticism of approved minorities, all the while taking away the freedom of speech which was to be protected. That will be the Balfour Declaration of “hate law” as interpreted and implemented by the High Commissioner of the Supreme Court, Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
THE BUND’S IMPACT ON HISTORY
The Bund, the General Confederation of Jewish Labor of Lithuania-Poland, originated in 1897 and passed out of existence in 1948-1949. In its short lifetime of only half- a- century, it had – and continues to have – a profound impact on the modern world. Originally a political party of Jewish tailors and artisans, the Bund flourished in Russia before the 1917 revolution. Its program was Democratic Marxist Socialism, anti-Zionist and for Jewish cultural autonomy and the use of Yiddish. Its members constituted a very high percentage of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. In many cases, the personnel of the two organizations were virtually coextensive. After the revolution the Bund in Russia dissolved into the newly formed Communist Party as the Bolsheviks outlawed revolutionary competition. The Bund continued its existence as an independent party in neighboring Poland where it survived as a very powerful political party among the Jews. Typically, the Polish Jewish vote was split roughly 50-50 between the Bund and the Zionists. Many Bundists migrated to the New World prior to the Bolshevik revolution. There they formed the membership of the Jewish Socialist Federation, the American analog to the Bund. When the Jews joined American politics, overwhelmingly they gravitated to the Democratic Party where they immediately started implementing the socialist ideas they had brought from Russia. This process reached its culmination in Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal which was basically the Jewish Bund from Russia. The Bund, in other words, passed out of existence in the country of its origin but survives to this day in its new homeland, America, and with its new name, the Democratic Party.
Most Americans, even the purportedly educated ones, have never heard of the Bund. But when they vote Democratic, they are unwittingly voting for the ideas of the Jewish Socialists from Russia who did so much to prepare the groundwork for the Bolshevik bloodbath that followed.
Ronnie:
You are so pathetically dumb.
There is a big difference between allowing arms to be sold overseas and jumping into the war with your own soldiers. Or did no one ever tell you this? Also, if the American people were so eager to go to war, then why did Roosevelt have to maneuver the Japanese into “firing the first shot” at Pearl Harbor? Why did he have to promise “again and again and again that your sons would not be sent into a foreign war” if Americans were so hell bent for war? You don’t have to lie a willing nation into war, Ronnie.
Hey Ronnie:
Since racism bothers you so much, is it because your mother fucked a nigger to bake your monkey face? Or is it just because you love Arabs so much in your real country called Israel?
Wilburrrrrrr,
“You don’t have to lie a willing nation into war, Ronnie”
That’s right, american opinion throught the 30s was antiwar, but after 1938, the reality of german aggression became evident and the gallup polls started swinging the other way.
no one but germany was hell bent for war, US involvement in ww2 was a long slow process not a jump into war.
“your mother fucked a nigger to bake your monkey face?”
Hehe i like it when you get all flustered.
hANOVER fIST
“whites need to grow back their balls and take back the nation from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives”
You said it brother! The fifth column suborned our representatives into taking away our OUIJA BOARDS, astrology, and other forms of divination so Gentiles can’t communicate with their own TRUE Gods!
And you know they will never ban the Bible even though it’s nothing more than intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATAN, which means “enemy” in Hebrew!!!!!
One day if we grow back our BALLS and take back the nation from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives, the holy nazarene, a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin will be replaced!
I say we take baseball bats to the hockey helmet of those QUISLINGS! Who is with me?
Dangit they’re taking away our
moRON…I’m sure that “Judea Declares War On Germany” had NOTHING to do with it…
You are such a farking dumbass. Even your fellow dimwits think you’re a dick. Have you yet realized that I don’t, and never will, own an Ouija board?
And would it really hurt for you to take a bath? I can smell you stench from here, stinky.
“no one but germany was hell bent for war” - are you really stupid enough to believe this?
“You are such a farking dumbass.”
Ohh Ron, I would be insulted. You just got called a dumbass by a guy that….
1. Thinks he’s the love interest of an angry dwarf
2. Applauded a poster who clearly intended to mock him
3. Thought that Joseph was being serious when he posted that here are no prisons in all of Austria, there aren’t enough people in Britain for 1 British Person to be in an Austrian prison, prisoners never remember being incarcerated, and everyone who is older than 60 is senile.
4. Thinks that calling someone stinky and a dick is a clever way to win an argument.
5. Thinks he has to grow back his balls so that he can take back the nation.
6. Likes to imagine students with their mouths smeared with dung.
7. Has a hockey helmet fetish.
8. Doesn’t own a ouija board because the Jews stole it from him.
9. Thinks it was WRONG to inflict this needless warfare upon a civilian population and is tired of quibbling over the total number of dead.
Ha No Ver
That’s right Judea Declares War On Germany had nothing to do with germany’s violation of versailles, munich pact, ribbontrop pact, occupation of Czechoslovakia, invasion of poland or france, belgium the bombing of britain etc etc
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You don’t own a ouija board? Really? Truly? This from the lunatic who said: “Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods…”
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“no one but germany was hell bent for war” i meant war in europe but should have added italy, japan and ussr for completeness! Mostly germany though.
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“And would it really hurt for you to take a bath? I can smell you stench from here, stinky.”
I went for a run and my roommate was using the shower so I posted while I waited. Don’t take a hockey stick to my baseball helmet for it though.
Besides, you should be more concerned about taking back the nation from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives, and reclaim the holy nazarene, a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin!
So quit worrying about how i smell, your letting down your true Creator God SATAN, which means “enemy” in Hebrew!!!!!
Fung:
“2. Applauded a poster who clearly intended to mock him”
Obviously, it wasn’t that bloody clear…but I know you retards can communicate by drooling - not everyone else can pick up on those cues, Algernon.
Hey - looks like the patsy in the Mossad Lockerbie mas- murder is going free; I guess the Chosen flubbled up another false-flag.
So sorry.
“Obviously, it wasn’t that bloody clear”
Yes. Very good Han. That’s exactly my point. You were completely oblivious of the fact that ShamWow is a caricature of you. It is just one of many blatant examples of your abject stupidity.
“not everyone else can pick up on those cues”
It was there for you to read. You couldn’t pick up on the fact that he was mocking your post which advocated the worship of Satan and the use of Ouija boards to communicate with him. This is why I chided Ron when you of all people called him dumb. I’m glad some of this is finally getting through.
hANOVER fIST
I don’t want to criticize a brother, friend and ally, but if you let that Fangbeer make a fool of you like that, our true Creator God SATAN, which means “enemy” in Hebrew, is going to take a baseball helmet to your hockey bat.
Fangbeer,
it’s sHAM wOW you quisling suborner of representatives, ouija board thief! That mossad patsy Khaddafi got another of his libyan mossad agents free, looks like the ouija board stealing fifth column suborner of representatives flubbled another false flag - that’s gonna sting!
And quit beating up hANOVER fIST, he’s trying real hard, and deserves credit of his effort.
Dat hangover fish shoor is silly, huh? Mah heroez are FangBeer and ron…can someone loosen muh helmet? Ah’m naht gettin’ blud too mi brane.
Ronnie:
You pseudo-scholar.
No one but Germany was hell bent for war in 1938? That is interesting. What was Joseph Stalin doing in 1939 -1941 invading Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and then Poland? And what was Franklin Roosevelt planning for while economically strangling Japan and preparing for the set up at Pearl Harbor? You have an interesting way of reading facts, Ronnie. The Poles were trying to provoke war with Germany as well. Did not the Polish Field Marshall, Smygly-Ridz proclaim that: “Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she tries?” A real pacifist, surely. Churchill was deliberately baiting Japan with displays of naval strngth in the Pacific, etc.
Yes, it is true that Hitler had agressive designs in Europe. Those were directed eastward against Soviet Russia, not against the United States. Hitler, as even English historians (and not just David Irving) are now admittting, had no agressive intentions against the British Empire. So where was the threat to the U.S? American public opinion was still overwhelmingly against war even before earl Harbor. There had been a slight increase in pro-war opnion but not nearly enough to overcome the necessity for the 09/11 set up of the day.
You’re pathetically stupid, Ronnie. That is evident from every inanity you post.
Wiiiiiiilburrrrr
“What was Joseph Stalin doing in 1939 -1941 invading Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and then Poland?”
He and Hitler cut a deal in 1939 to invade those countries! (which your hero Hitler then used to invade poland - before invading the USSR - and which he knew britain had signed a mutual assistance treaty and which he also knew would lead to war with Britain and France as early as 1937 (read the Hossbach memo) What, you didn’t get the memo?
As usual you can’t get the most simple facts right. His name was Edward Rydz, (?mig?y was his nome de guerre) and he was Marshall not Field Marshall.
Your suggestion that Rydz caused the invasion of Poland is silly - as silly as Judea declares war on Germany caused the Holocaust, no wait sillier!
Hockey Helmet Harry,
You are a friend and an ally and I don’t mean to criticize you, but from now on you can only communicate with me and hANOVER fIST via ouija boards!!!!!
At least we can communicate via Ouija boards when we get the balls to take back the nation from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives, and reclaim the holy nazarene, a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin!!!!!!!!
Ha No Ver
. . . and don’t call me stinky! You get a 91 in being mean! (which is a bad 91 to get a grade in. Meanie!)
For hypertechnical Ronnie:
I am aware that the Jews could not use the brothels either. But you will love the satire regardless.
CUM SHOT IN THE CREMATORY OVEN
An historian has now written a book covering the largely unknown fact that the Germans employed prostitutes at Auschwitz and other camps to increase inmate satisfaction and improve labor productivity. Since “gassing” detainees immediately upon arrival and fucking them to get them to work harder are seemingly incompatible, this interesting German practice does raise certain untidy questions. This is, as the historian acknowledges, why the existence of brothels in the German camps has hitherto been hushed up. The Germans were rather puritanical in their approach, however. Time allotted was 15 minutes per inmate and missionary was the only approved position. (Chazar Cunt doggy style would have been more entertaining.) Racial purity was still mandatory. Slavs could only make it with fellow Slavs and Germans could only do it with Germans. Russian POW’s didn’t get any at all, presumably because of all the diseases they carried. Even so, humping made for better heaving, or so the Germans reasoned.
The cum shot in the crematory oven poses a difficult problem for the Holocaust fabulists. Zyklon B ejaculations are easier to explain as insect spray than Jews banging on their deathbeds. Did the heart attacks listed repeatedly in the Auschwitz death books come at the moment of orgasm? (Dr. Mengele was surely making porno movies to record the action. German record keeping would have required it.) The Jews obviously died happy on their way to the “gas chambers”. One wonders why Joseph Stalin did not think of this. Scientific socialist rear entry would have speeded up the construction of the White Sea Canal immeasurably. (Skinny ass might also have alleviated hunger pains in Ukraine.) Communists are dumber than Nazis so the pussy performance principle never occurred to them. German historians and Jan Gross style academic whores shall be masturbating over this problem for decades to come. One might call it the “Whack Off” branch of Advanced Holocaust Studies. It shall come as a welcome relief to Holocaust orthodoxy and its endless reruns.
Ronnie:
Your understanding of diplomatic history is as poor as your understanding of “gas chambers”.
The British were in Moscow soliciting an alliance with Stalin at the same time that Hitler was seeking the Molotov-Ribbentrop pakt. Does it all depend on who is double-dealing with Red dictators, Ronnie? The Poles were anything but innocent lambs of the Germans, Ronnie. Over one million Germans had been driven out of Poland between the two world wars after the Poles had closed their schools and driven them out of their professions and livelihoods. Why don’t you consult the Dutch anti-Nazi historian Louis De Jong on the matter? Or you could try reading “Orphans of Versailles” published by the University of Kentucky Press.
You also forgot to mention that it was the unconditional British guarantee to Poland earlier in the year that motivated the Poles to refuse to negotiate over the very reasonable German demands over Danzig and the Corridor. That is when Hitler started thinking about making overtures to the Soviets to isolate Poland, not before. Yes Ronnie, you comic book student of history, I know all about the 1937 Hossbach Memorandum, just as I know all abot all those confessions by your fellow Jews at the Jewish National Fund about how to “transfer” Arabs out of Palestine. I’ve never denied Hitler’s ambitions in Central Europe. Neither does anyone else who has read the record. And if you will bother to read the Polish press of the time Ronnie, you will discover that the Poles were looking forward to a war with Germany they thought they could easily win. Read all the mocking comments about the military inadequacy of the Wehrmacht and how they didn’t stand a chance against the Poles.
Next Ronnie, just to give you something useful to do, get Patrick Buchanan’s book “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War” and read it. You will discover that Hitler held his hand against the very provacative Poles for a very long time before deciding to strike. It had long been an ambition by top Nazis like Goering to recruit Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union. The Poles foolishly imagined that they could beat the Russians and Germans simultaneously by relying on a useless British guarantee. Without that rashly given guarantee, Poland could have contributed to the subsequent German invasion of the USSR with some very hard fighting troops. Instead, they chose national suicide egged on by Perfidious Albion.
I could also mention that Joseph Stalin was planning his own strike in 1941 before Hitler beat him to it. And it isn’t just Viktor Suvorov who says it. Quite a few Russian and German historians are independently coming to the same conclusions. But enough, Ronnie. You want to believe that the Second World War was caused exclusively by the aggressive actions of the Second Kaiser Wilhelm and that the other factors you ignore had nothing to do with it. Keep reading out of your GI propaganda manual and watching Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight”. You’ll never get beyond the historical Third Grade, Ronnie Boy.
I knew you were into Nazi slash fiction the very day you declared that you wanted to stuff balls in our mouths, John. Your Captain Dreyfuss screed was just another brick in the wall.
Fantasizing about having sex in a crematory oven though…that takes things to a whole different level of crazy. I mean that’s Jeffrey Dahmer / Charles Manson crazy right there. That’s taking photos of yourself as an Eva Braun furry crazy. Do you own any pictures of Hitler in a bathing suit, John? Did you make them by drawing little mustaches on pictures of yourself?
THE ESSENCE OF THE THING
The Jewish underground in Palestine has a very interesting history. It consisted of the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern gang, the latter a break off group headed by Nathan Yellin-Mor and Yitzhak Shamir. The Irgun specialized in attacking British buildings and installations, less on killing English soldiers. The Stern gang, on the other hand, concentrated precisely on killing military personnel. The Irgun proclaimed its revolt in February 1944. The revolt began slowly but soon created major harassment problems for the British. Buildings and trains were routinely dynamited by the Irgun. The regular Jewish forces, the Haganah and the Jewish Agency, did not like the Irgun, who they initially regarded as a threat to their power. The anti-socialist Irgun was also ideologically incompatible with the strongly socialist Jewish mainstream. When the revolt first began the Haganah therefore cooperated with the British in rounding up Irgun suspects. This period lasted from about November 1944 until March 1945. Then the Irgun, the Stern gang and the Haganah entered into the period of cooperation, extending roughly from October 1945 until July 1946 when the bombing of the King David Hotel took place. During this period some of the bloodiest atrocities of the Jewish underground against British rule were committed. The King David was a ghastly affair involving the deaths of over 90 people when the southwest wing of the building was blown off. Originally a joint operation of the Irgun and the Haganah, the Haganah backed out of the operation when Weizmann ordered it aborted. The Irgun went forward with the operation anyway. The British reply was Operation Shark where 15,000 British soldiers searched 100,000 Jews in Haifa for Irgun members and hidden arms caches, with minimal results. The King David attack was itself a response to the previous Operation Agatha, where the British, suspecting treachery, raided the personnel and the offices of the Jewish Agency. The Jews, forewarned, managed to destroy most of the incriminating evidence of Jewish Agency collaboration with the underground. Yet it remains a known fact that many Agency members working in the English mandatory were, in fact, passing on official British secrets to the Jewish underground.
The following year the Irgun staged the famous breakout at Acre prison in May 1947. The raid was originally designed to rescue Dov Gruner and other Irgun members who had been sentenced by the British to hang. The executions were, however, carried out before the raid took place. The operation was a daring one involving collaboration between the inmates inside and the attackers. The attack came from a truck loaded with explosives crashing through the gate. The British retaliated by executing several captured men later. The men were hanged, a la Gruner. Begin and the Irgun then kidnapped and hung the two sergeants, Clifford Martin and Mervyn Pace. The bodies were booby trapped by mines planted in the ground beneath the hanging trees. When the bodies dropped after being cut down, the mines exploded, injuring the rescuers. Outrage in England was enormous, leading to anti-Semitic looting and rioting. The English newspapers had a field day, the Daily Mail posting a front-page photo of the two men’s bodies dangling from the Eucalyptus trees. By this time the British had pretty much made the decision to quit Palestine. It was now late July 1947 and the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was already preparing its report. By September 1947 the British were announcing their intent to leave Palestine the following May.
Did the Jewish underground and the Irgun under Begin really drive the British out of Palestine with their terrorist campaign? That is the question Dr. Saul Zadka attempts to answer in his book, Blood In Zion”. The answer most probably is that the terror accelerated a decision primarily made for other reasons. The British were under severe pressure by the Truman administration to let 100,000 Jewish refugees into Palestine. The British, in dire financial straits, badly needed American loans that were contingent upon on the Jews getting what they wanted. On top of all this, the English were getting very tired of an insoluble problem. Field Marshall Montgomery wanted tough action to put it to the Jews in Palestine but the legend of Jewish extermination by the Nazis precluded that. Therefore, the British threw in the towel and evacuated Palestine. Begin and the Irgun wanted to take all the credit for this but it is obvious that much more was involved. The history of the Jewish underground is little known in the United States. But it is still much remembered in England, where the British suffered the indignities. The Jewish revolt against the British shows, if nothing else, that the state of Israel has a seamier side which still has implications for the present day. Before Saul Zadka published his study, a Mr. J. Bowyer Bell published his volume “Terror Out Of Zion”. In that volume Mr. Bell expressed the somewhat pious hope that the state of Israel had outgrown its criminal past. As the recent invasion of Gaza demonstrated, nothing of the kind has occurred. The spirit of Jewish terror lives and breathes, and will not die until Zionism itself dies. The Jewish underground was not an aberration but the living essence of the Zionist movement. That the essence was not confined to the underground but extended to the grand old man, David Ben-Gurion himself, is shown by what happened 1948 war and the subsequent expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians.
Fangfuck:
A correction. I do not want to stuff balls in your mouth. I want to stuff your amputated balls in your mouth. The point, since you seem incapable of grasping it, is that I really don’t like you Fangfuck, or your colleagues. That is the point, not the sexual fantasies you try to impute to me.You obviously have no appreciation for inspired satire but then, you reallly are a dull fellow.
“I do not want to stuff balls in your mouth. I want to stuff your amputated balls in your mouth.”
You’ve gotten to the point that you can’t even go 2 sentences without contradicting yourself.
By the way, there’s a great number of people that I dislike. Not once have I considered what it would be like to see them with balls in their mouths. Not once did I think about their lips smeared with shit, whether or not their penis was circumcised, or what they did with members of the same sex. These are things that you have done, John.. These are things you have posted. All I have done is reflect it back at you. Do the things you say make you uncomfortable,. John?
You’ve posted about men fellating other men. You’ve posted about same sex anal sex. You’ve posted twisted sexual fantasy based fiction. So if your point is that you’re hating on us, you can’t seem to figure out how to accomplish that without injecting sexual innuendo. That’s pretty psycho if you ask me.
What’s more, I know this is just what slips through the cracks when your guard is down. These are things you don’t mean to show us, but you just can’t help. What sort of shit are you hiding? That’s the real question.
So we’ve established your sexual dysfunction. You’ve spoken before of your contempt of woman’s liberation. You’ve mentioned that you’ve never been married. You mentioned that you’re retired. You’ve obviously harbored intense prejudices.
These are all pieces of the puzzle.
Wiiiiilburrrr
“But enough, Ronnie. You want to believe that the Second World War was caused exclusively by the aggressive actions of the Second Kaiser Wilhelm”
That’s not what I said, you just made that up. I said: “Mostly germany though.”
You are arguing against yourself (again). You always do that. You make up your own feeble arguments and then try to attack them with even more feeble arguments, and always always always focusing on male genitalia.
Why do you always always always fixate on male genitalia? (*rhetorical question alert*)
To My Critics:
Psychological speculations are the last refuge of the factually impotent. Since neither of you can rebut anything I post, you instead resort to accusing me of psychological problems. This technique has been around for a long time. How I choose to insult my opponents is my business. If you, Fangfuck, prefer a different form of verbal jousting, that is your choice, not my concern.
Ronnie, you know nothing of the diplomatic background of the Second World War, as evidenced by your total failure to address any of the points raised in my rebuttal. All you do is regurgitate the standard view of the war, that it was all the fault of one supremely evil man named Adolf Hitler. Hitler was also accused of having psychological problems by his enemies. There was never any evidence for that claim either, anymore than there is for Fangfuck’s aspersions on my mental stability. I was not aware that never being married is a sign of neurosis. In today’s absurdly pro-female family law courts it may rather be regarded as a sign of prudence. As to my contempt for modern feminism, it is shared by Miss Phyllis Schlafly and numerous men’s rights groups, not just me. I do not believe that anyone has attempted a refutation of my claims regarding Betty Friedan’s communist background; even Israel First Jew boy David Horowitz agrees with me on that one.
As usual, there is no arguing with me on the basis of the facts. There is only self-righteous wailing over my refusal to conform to accepted viewpoints. That could mean that I am off my rocker; it could also mean that I am miles beyond you in terms of knowledge and analytical ability. To each his own conclusion.
Ronnie:
Just out of curiosity, what is your college major? I cannot imagine you passing anything more complicated than basket weaving 101.
Fangfuck:
Sexual dysfunction, is it? I used to be involved in swinging where I would screw other men’s wives silly while their husbands watched and got off. This went on for ten years. It never involved homosexuality. So much for your misguided assumptions regarding my “sexual dysfunction”, alleged neurosis and all the rest of the made up bullshit which you impute to me. In re serial killer cannibals like Jeffrey Dahmler. I’ve never been prosecuted for any crime, much less convicted of one. As for what you imagine you think you know about me, why don’t you masturbate with a pair of panties around your head like Sigmund Freud? That’s a Jew expert you can trust.
One other thing, boys. I ain’t dealing in kidnapped kidneys in New Jersey, either.
“Sexual dysfunction, is it? I used to be involved in swinging where I would screw other men’s wives silly while their husbands watched and got off.”
This is supposed to be an example of how you’re not dysfunctional?
“Since neither of you can rebut anything I post, you instead resort to accusing me of psychological problems”
How does one rebut a work of fiction that fantasizes about sex in concentration camps?
Wilburrrrr,
“Hitler was also accused of having psychological problems by his enemies.”
Not just by his enemies, and I don’t think anyone views Hitler as anything other than nuts now.
“There was never any evidence for that claim either, anymore than there is for Fangfuck’s aspersions on my mental stability.”
Hehehehe I’m really happy to hear you admit that you place your own mental stability with Hitler’s.
btw I wasn’t psychologically “speculating” at all, I’m not a psych major. I was only pointing out that you always fixate on male genitalia.
Your constant references to male genitalia and ejaculations are a striking feature of your comments - it is hard not to notice this fixation - psych major or not.
wilburrrrrrr
The European Parliament has called for August 23rd to become a day of remembrance for all the victims of the totalitarian regimes - Hitler’s and Stalin’s.
Happy Nazi-Soviet Pact Day!
Wiiiiillburrrr
“As usual, there is no arguing with me on the basis of the facts.”
Hey Mr. - Germany is a “small nation”, Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea,” “the first income tax came after WW1,” “Johnson gave up the powerful senate whip for the go-nowhere vice presidency” the JNF owns a majority of Israel and Larry Silverstein bought the twin towers - Psycho nazi, are these some of your “refusal to conform to accepted viewpoints?”
Granpa Thames
“As usual, there is no arguing with me on the basis of the facts.”
Yes there is. You claimed that all western intelligence agencies believed “that the jews were behind 911″. I asked you for a list of these agencies so that you could back up your claims. What have you produced? Nothing, zip, bugger all.
You cannot back anything up because you are either a mentally ill delusional fool or a liar (probably both)
You also claim to be a millionaire swinger….yet you spend all your time on this forum.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ha. Stop making me laugh you old looser.
The usual nonsense from the usual shit-for-brains.
The belated recognition of Stalin’s crimes with Hitler’s crimes comes very late in the day. For many decades Hitler’s real and alleged crimes have received far more attention than Hitler’s. And why have there been innumerable prosecutions of Nazi war criminals on the most dubious of evidence, whereas there have been no similar prosecutions of Jewish communist criminals? No answer, right, Ronnie Boy? Everyone agrees that Hitler was nuts? Really, Ronnie? I have a book called “The Best War Ever” by an American historian correcting the innumerable myths of WW2. The author acknowledges that “Hitler was not mad in any conventional sense”. He also acknowledges that many of Hitler’s positions were rather typical of the times. (His antiSemitism and loathing of homosexuality, for example. These attitudes were also common in war time Britain.) Frederic Spotts book “Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics” provides powerful evidence of Hitler’s genuine skills as a painter and architect. Even Albert Speer who became a turncoat at the Nuremberg Trial was adamant that Der Fuehrer had a professional level of competence. The Viennese Jews who bought Hitler’s watercolors in the pre-WW2 days, such as Morgenstern who marketed them to brother Jews, thought that Herr Hitler produced some very nice paintings and drawings indeed. We know this from Morgenstern’s card index which recorded all the wealthy Viennese Jews who regularly bought Hitler’s works. This must have been before Adolf turned cuckoo, right, Ronnie? Now for the eternal bullshit about my so-called errors. It is a little bit like the thirty or so errors found in David Irvings writings, which averages out to one or less per the thirty books he has written. Lawyers have certain concepts called “weight” and “relevance”. Since you are too stupid to have heard of these concepts Ronnie, let me explain them to you. If I do (or don’t depending on how you evaluate what I actually wrote) make a mistake on the income tax and when it first came in, what is the relevance of that point to an essay documenting Jewish organizing activity after the First World War? Answer: Slim to none. Next question. If I make an error on the port of Aquaba, what is the relevance of that mistake to an essay documenting Jewish and academic tampering with the map of Europe and the Near East after WW1? Does it alter the fact that mismatched boundaries were drawn up causing immense post-war mischief in the process? No, it does not change that point at all. Therefore, the weight of the argument remains the same. Got it now, Ronnie?
Now for stupid little Fangfuck. References to human genitalia and execretory functions are very common in the art of the insult. It goes on all the time, both on the street level and in other forums. It is no proof of psychological problems at all. It just means, freely translated: “Fuck you!” Got it now, Fangfuck? As to resentments. People have all kinds of resentments for all kinds of reasons. A lot of blacks want to blame their deficiencies on whites. Presumably it is whites who force them to commit a disproportionate number of crimes and riots in the streets, as well as fail in the schools. Are they being objective just like you, Fangfuck?
I note that none of you have even attempted to rebut my essays and book reviews. The reason is self-evident - you can’t. You haven’t read the reference works like I have; you have no knowledge or counterarguments that would allow you to respond. Therefore you zip your lips and accuse me of being a Quasimodo hiding among the gargoyles in the Church of Historical Heresy. That is the only approach you have.
Lee:
When your house is paid for and you have enough money to retire comfortably, then you can call me a “loser’. (Spelled with one “o”, not two, you dummy.
Wiiiiilburrrr
“And why have there been innumerable prosecutions of Nazi war criminals on the most dubious of evidence, whereas there have been no similar prosecutions of Jewish communist criminals?”
Trials of nazi war criminals are not innumerable and the evidence was overwhelming. There were no similar trials of the Soviets because they didn’t commit similar crimes.
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I have a book called “The Best War Ever” … The author acknowledges that “Hitler was not mad in any conventional sense”.
Oooo a book by an unnamed writer. Oh well that’s that I guess.
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“It is a little bit like the thirty or so errors found in David Irvings writings, which averages out to one or less per the thirty books he has written.”
That’s false. Irving was laughed out of court because he lied, falsified facts, and misrepresented evidence (19 times).
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“If I …make a mistake on the income tax…? If I make an error on the port of Aquaba…the weight of the argument remains the same?
Yeah, the weight is zero. You don’t get it.? Your stupid rantings are always full of huge mistakes. You come to your dumb conclusions because you don’t have a grasp on the most basic facts. It is little wonder why you are a ranting conspiracy theorist, you’re clueless.
Hanover digs you though. Where is little devil boy?
Grandpa Thames
Ha ha ha ha - You deny being a loser, but not a mentally ill liar?
I suppose the later is indisputable, as you demonstrably cannot back up any of your dumbass points with facts (e.g the list of all the intelligence agencies that you say believe the jooos were behind 911).
PS: You are only threatening violence on Fangbeer because he has kicked your arse fairly and squarely …….Though how he can be bothered to actually read your drivel amazes me. He is probably the only one reading your garbage.
I skip most of it, to be honest.
I’ll pick one to read and point out how ridiculous it is in the midst of him posting 10 more.
So far I’ve only commented on his claims about Leuchter, and few other various random topics. The last one I read and looked into was on the 23 of July. That was when he tried to claim that some opera critic that no one knows was responsible for censoring Wagner in Los Angeles.
Other than that I’m just here to make fun of him and his dwarven love interest Hanover.
http://buchanan.org/blog/was-the-good-war-unnecessary-1587
An excellent review of “Churchill, Hitler And The Unnecessary War”. Also, Max Hastings has a great series on the fuck-ups of Winston Churchill in the “Daily Mail Online”.
Ronnie:
I’ll simply ask onre question. What were Joseph Stalin and his Jewish commissars doing if not committing crimes when sending millions to the gulags? And am I to understand that killing millions of Russians and Ukrainians is somehow less horrible than supposedly “gassing” a saintly six million? As for the rest of the asinine inanities, I will simply ignore them.
Wilburrrrr,
Stalin was committing crimes, but by the 1930s (especially so after the nazi-soviet pact (happy anniversary btw!)), soviet jews were running for their lives trying to avoid the gulags (if they weren’t already killed, or in lubianka, or otherwise purged from the government) Then things in the USSR got real bad for the jews.
But you know Wiiiiilburrrrr, comparing your hero hitler to stalin is a pathetic comparison to make, almost as bad as you comparing yourself to the lies, misquotes and screw-ups of that hack irving lol
Wiilllburrrr
Why would you read a history book written by a non-historian, by a politician no less, Buchanan?
I like this review though, kinda telling:
“In order to change the meaning of Churchill’s words, Buchanan has not only skipped around the original text, but he has completely mixed up its order. There are 16 paragraphs in the article. He quotes the paragraphs in the following order: 8, 15, 8, 2, 1, and 15. The reader is led to believe that the quotes are at least in order when Buchanan precedes them with words like “Churchill went on…”
Buchanan claims the quotes paragraphs 2, 1, and 15 are Churchill’s “conclusion”, but the reality is Buchanan left out any mention of the final paragraph and real conclusion.”
I guess that’s why they call them “revisionists”
Ronnie:
Since you obviously do not pay attention, here is the review of “The Best War Ever” I posted on the other thread. Try reading it this time.
THE BEST WAR EVER-OR WAS IT?
“The Best War Ever: America and World War Two” by Michael C.C. Adams, is a useful corrective to many of the “good war” myths cherished by Americans-but only within limits. The book is very good on the realities of combat and the moral indistinguishability of the contending armies. It even makes some unpopular concessions on the greater fighting ability and efficiency of the Wehrmacht-as established by an Israeli military expert, no less. Thus, Martin Van Creveld in “Fighting Power” established that the American army was much more bureaucratic than the German, with too much “top to bottom” mismanagement. The Germans, by contrast, encouraged individual initiative in the field. There was also much more genuine camaraderie in the German army in which the individual Germans (or frequently non-Germans) felt themselves members of a team. This flies in the face of what Americans have been taught to believe about the supposedly “rigid” Germans. But the conclusion is born out by America’s own investigations. According to US Army Colonel Trevor N. Dupuy who conducted a study of the Normandy campaign theWehrmacht outfought the Americans and British, inflicting a 50% higher casualty rate than it sustained. The Germans achieved this despite massive allied numerical and air superiority. The utter terror of the fighting is revealed by the fact that virtually all American troops had to be taken out of the front lines after thirty days of consecutive combat. That was all they could stand. Troops would prove brave in one battle and then crack in the next. The horror was indescribable. Adams quite rightly emphasizes the filth and mangled body parts which littered the battlefield. In the John Wayne Hollywood version of the war every soldier dies with his body parts intact. It wasn’t that way on the battlefield where soldiers burned alive in shattered tanks. Splattered intestines, blown off legs and missing genitals were the gruesome reality of the fighting. Soldiers were admonished by their commanders to “keep their assholes tight” before going into combat. Virtually all soldiers shit-in-their pants during the war because the ghastliness made bodily functions uncontrollable.
World War Two is fondly remembered by many Americans but that is only because America was the only nation whose civilian population escaped the consequences of the war. In all other countries, Russia, Germany, Britain, Japan, India, China and Southeast Asia, civilians suffered terribly. Millions died of starvation, firebombing raids, expulsions at wars end and mass rape. None of this happened in America. In addition, the war was sanitized for Americans by a very strict censorship. Most Americans never saw, and were never allowed to see, what was really going on in Europe (just as they are never allowed to see what is really happening to the Arabs in Palestine now). In addition, most of the Americans inducted into the military during World War Two were not combat troops. Adams establishes that of over two million Americans inducted into the World War Two armies only 365,000 of them, or 15%-20% were actual combat troops at any given time. Thus, most Americans who came home to brag of their exploits had never seen front line action. That made it very easy for them to regard the war as “good”. The actual front line troops, who were rarely interviewed, felt no such way about it. Michael Adams makes much of the segregation of black units during World War Two and the “prejudices” of the time. But he does not mention that black troops broke and ran against the Germans in Italy. Nor does he mention that approximately 50% of all rapes committed by American forces in Europe were committed by blacks. American troops in both Europe and the Pacific routinely murdered prisoners. In the case of the Japanese the Americans probably had some justification because of the horrible Japanese record on the mistreatment of prisoners. The evidence for this was strictly censored during the war and for decades later. On the home front there were massive shortages of goods during the war and a huge black market to compensate. Enlistments to the army dropped off markedly in the weeks after Pearl Harbor. Women did work in the factories during the war but to a much lesser extent than claimed. In fact, contrary to the myth of “Rosie The Riveter” the majority of American women remained in the home during the war. Many women felt guilty about going to work because they conceived that their primary duty was as homemakers and raisers of children, not breadwinners. This legend of women’s lib arising out of World War Two has been promoted by feminists to bolster their agenda. But as Adams shows, most women gave up their jobs when the men came home because they wanted to. The war also led to huge demographic changes, particularly as blacks moved north out of the south to work in the factories. There were numerous race riots and mutinies as a consequence. World War Two also led to the creation of the post-war suburban society.
“The Best War Ever” falls short in its failure to examine objectively, or even to mention, the findings of the World War Two revisionist historians. Thus, if one examines Adams extensive bibliography there are no books listed by Harry Elmer Barnes, Charles Tansill, Charles Beard, George Morgenstern, David Irving, Arthur Butz, Germar Rudolf, Viktor Suvorov or many other historians who have contributed so greatly to overturning the conventional interpretations of the war. In professor Adams defense, he does provide a reasonably fair description of the origins and course of the war in his opening chapters. He fairly describes the mistreatment of Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler’s territorial annexations in Europe and the progress of the war. He even admits that Adolf Hitler was not insane in any meaningful sense and concedes that both Aryan supremacy and anti-Semitic attitudes were common among both the English and Americans of the day. Professor Adams does not go into the reasons for that anti-semitism, as he does not discuss the well-documented Jewish disproportion in communism or the alleged “contract with Jewry” of David Lloyd George. But at least he admits that anti-Semitism was a condition of the times, not the unique disease of Adolf Hitler. Adams also concedes that Hitler did have some genuine achievements to his credit, improving living standards for Germans and raising them out of the chaos of the Weimar Republic. He does this in the context of explaining why the Germans chose to follow Hitler rather than falling into the logical trap of reasoning backwards from later purported events. “The Holocaust”, the myth of the extermination of six million Jews in purported “gas chambers” is, of course, missing from “The Best War Ever” for reasons of professional survival. The set up at Pearl Harbor is not directly addressed either, although the ominous transfer of the American Pacific fleet from San Diego to Hawaii is mentioned in passing. On one point, Professor Adams is absolutely correct. If we mythologize World War Two, we distort the real lessons of history. If we make World War Two a morality play in which America “saved the world”, then we establish a standard of egocentrism by which we are entitled to attack any nation which supposedly “threatens the world” the same way Hitler and Tojo supposedly “threatened the world”. “The Best War Ever” was published by John Hopkins University Press in 1994, three years after the first Iraq war. That timing may, or may not be, coincidental. But certainly the warnings of the book seem prescient in the aftermath of Iraq War Two, Somalia, Serbia and Afghanistan.
“The Best War Ever” largely ignores the geo-political consequences of the war and concentrates on the domestic impact. Thus, the rise of communism after the war and the resulting Cold War as confirmation of the fears of the pre-war isolationists is omitted from the discussion. The favoritism of the Soviet Union as an “ally” during the war as the precursor to the McCarthy investigations of the 1950’s is ignored, as are the post-war rise of Zionism in the Near East and America as successor-in-interest to the crumbling British Empire. The expansion of communism in the Far East as a consequence of the war and the subsequent wars in Korea and Vietnam as real estate problems deriving from the dismemberment of the French and Dutch colonial empires is likewise not addressed. The abandonment of America’s traditional neutrality and non-intervention in the affairs of Europe is simply taken as a given, “isolationism” being too horrid an ideology to defend. Thus, “The Best War Ever” is not a perfect book. But, as an examination of the war on the domestic front and an honest evaluation of combat behavior on all sides, it has much to recommend it.
“The Best War Ever: America and World War Two”
by Michael C.C. Adams
1994 John Hopkins University Press
Ronnie:
Don’t get a job as a book reviewer. You’ll never make it.
75% of the commissars Joe Stalin installed in Eastern Europe after the war were Jews. So don’t give me the bullshit that the poor, innocent Jews were running in terror from the gulags they still staffed.
THE TITLE SAYS IT ALL
“The Jewish Century” by Yuri Slezkine is easily the most significant revisionist work ever to be produced by a Jewish scholar. Although the book purports to be a study of the Jewish impress upon the twentieth century, based on the three migrations – (1) Jews to America, (2) Jews to Palestine, and (3) Jews from the Soviet countryside to the Soviet cities – it is in reality a study of the Jewish success story in the Soviet Union of the 1920’s and 1930’s, when Jews were the ruling class of the pre-WW2 USSR.
Slezkine begins his study by comparing Jews to other groups in and Asia and Africa. Throughout he contrasts “Mercurians” and “Apollonians”, the former creatures of the mind, the latter earth-bound, agrarian peoples. Jews, supposedly the ultimate Mercurians, are at odds with “the peoples of the earth” (a Talmudic phrase) among whom they live. This pattern, Slezkine finds, is essentially no different than the pattern of other groups similarly situated, such as the Chinese in Indo-China, for example. Of course, Slezkine does not discuss the peculiar ethics of the Babylonian Talmud as a possible aggravating factor unique to Jews, but otherwise his analysis is unobjectionable. Like Professor Kevin MacDonald, Slezkine finds that there is a rational basis for Jewish-non-Jewish tensions, tensions that are remarkably similar to those of other groups.
Sociology aside, the heart and guts of Slezkine’s material appears in chapters three and four: “The Jews and the Russian Revolution” (and) The Jews and Three Promised Lands.” These chapters contain material so shocking that it is a wonder that Slezkine dares reveal it all, particularly in a context of Jewish “success” (the “success” of total power and ruthless mass murder?). Essentially, Slezkine demonstrates that the first twenty years following the Bolshevik Revolution of November 1917 allowed Jews, the former betes noirs of the hated Tsarist regime, to become the new ruling class of Russia in every respect, including the secret police, the Gulag camp administration, the foreign service and spy department, the press and various news agencies, the cultural and professional elites, intellectual leadership as the party’s chief spokesmen, and a disproportionate share of the upper level positions in every commissariat.
It was only with the great purge of 1938-1939 that Jews began to lose some of their influence in the upper levels. But even then, as Slezkine demonstrates, Jews were not, contrary to popular misconception, singled out for persecution. Their share of the victims was lower, on a percentage basis, than that of the other groups targeted, such as Poles or Latvians. Unlike these groups, who were tainted by foreign loyalties, Jews were not perceived as being inherently disloyal to the Soviet regime. Only in the post-war purges of Zionists and cosmopolitans were Jews targeted as such. Of course, the creation of the state of Israel created a potential – and actual – dual loyalty problem. Stalin, who had personally witnessed the old pre-revolutionary struggle of the 1880’s onward, was well aware of how many Jewish comrades in the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party had preferred their communist state in Palestine rather than in Russia. With Israel’s creation in 1948 many Jewish communists who had spent their lives loyally serving the Bolshevik state were filled with enthusiasm for communism (“Next year in Jerusalem”!). Slezkine notes that the anti-Jewish purges moderated, then ceased, following Stalin’s death, but the amazing Jewish preponderance in the hierarchy of “scientific socialism” was never totally regained. Jews did, however, remain prominent in cultural and professional circles until the very end of the Soviet regime.
“The Jewish Century” does an excellent job of putting all this in proper historical context. As Slezkine notes, Russia’s Jews did not originate the revolutionary movements within the empire of the tsars, but once they joined the revolution they became its most enthusiastic – and brutal – champions. Jews provided an extremely disproportionate number of the assassins and terrorists of the pre-1917 period. Whenever a tsarist minister or official was blown up, shot, knifed, or splashed with acid, the chances were one in four to one in two that the miscreant was a Jew. It was the Jewess, Hessia Helfman, who plotted the assassination of Tsar Alexander 2. Mordecai Bogrov, Gershuni and Vera Finger were other well-known Jewish assassins of the 1880-1917 period. Their murderous activities would be continued with a vengeance by the OGPU/NKVD under such worthies as Moishe Uritsky, Henrik Yagoda, and Lavrenti Beria.
As Yuri Slezkine notes, Jews did not just practice communism in Russia; they practiced it in the United States as well. Whenever the Kremlin looked for agents in the United States it first sought out children of Russian Jews. When Senator McCarthy’s hearings were at their height the vast majority of the accused were very obviously Jewish – a fact which led to a quick attack of “synthetic patriotism” made to order for the occasion by the Jewish defense agencies, the American Jewish Committee in particular. However, political expediency, then and now, prevented any direct attack on the real problem. Jewish communism in Russia was waning about the same time that Jewish radicalism in the United States was about to accelerate. The 1960’s saw an explosion of leftist radicalism in which the Jewish component was, as Slezkine admits, of almost the same ratio as the Jewish involvement in communism of the 1920’s and the 1930’s. Without the Jews, no 1960’s. Several social scientists of the “decade which changed everything” determined that being Jewish was the single most important factor in predicting radical behavior.
One cannot read “The Jewish Century” without thinking of the image of Red Auerbach lighting up his cigar as coach of the Boston Celtics. Were the year 1950, 1960, or even arguably 1970, Yuri Slezkine could never have written “The Jewish Century” – and Princeton University Press would never have considered publishing it. In scholarly, matter of fact, ever so slightly boastful language, “The Jewish Century” is everything an erudite, closet anti-Semite could ask for. It documents the Jewish disproportion in – and arguably collective responsibility for – history’s greatest crime in a fashion which none can dispute. It does not directly raise certain untidy questions, but it certainly implies them. One can only wonder if some day another Yuri Slezkine will write a book arguing in favor of the infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, or even propose an alternative history of World War 2 and related incidents.
Oh Wiiiiiilburrrr
“75% of the commissars Joe Stalin installed in Eastern Europe after the war were Jews”
Where’d you make up that little factoid, Aqaba, Jordan’s famous but nonexistent, outlet to the sea?
Or did you learn it from the same place you learned the JNF owns a majority of the land of Israel?
Ronnie Lie Schmuck:
It really gets boring repeating the same information, over and over, because you’re too lazy and stupid to read what I’ve already posted. But, as every good teacher knows, repitition is necessary to help dullards (like you) learn. So let’s try again.
Get a book called “I Saw Poland Betrayed” by Arthur Bliss Lane who was US ambassador to Poland after WW2. That is exactly what he said in his book about the preponderance of Jews in the Polish secret police. Then get a book entitled “After The Holocaust” by a Polish scholar named Chodiewicz (or something like that - no, I don’t spell Polish very well.) Or get on Amazon and look up the book reviews of a Mr. Jan Peczis. Or get Jaff Schatz’s book “The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland” and read the staggering percentages of Jews in the Polish Communist Party and related organizations. All this was posted and documented on the previous thread. You simply pretend it isn’t there. (Go back and read it.)
Now, one more thing. Your circumsized dick is as worn as your tires. Try to get over the fact that I made a small mistake on the port of Aquaba and try to deal with all the facts you can’t refute - like the ones listed above.
Wiiilburrrrrr
I’d rather not read the parts of books quoted by other morons at stormfront or davidduck.com.
Instead get the official statistics from Polska Zjednocsona Partia Robotnicza showing that the jews of poland after WW2 numbered 70,000-80,000 of which less than 10,000 were communist (and within 5 years the entire pop. dropped to 30,000) and that Poland’s Office of State Security numbered 25,600, of which 438 were jewish (less than 2%) That way you won’t sound as stupid as you usually do!
Then get a map of Transjordan and look south to the beautiful port city of Aqaba, that way you won’t write stupid, made-up facts like “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea.”
Then get a look at official statistics from Israel so you won’t write stupid made up facts like the “JNF owns a majority of the land of Israel.”
Then got to the website of the National Institute of Standards and Technology so you won’t write stupid made up facts like “who carted away the steel beams before they could be examined forensically for tell-tale stress marks caused by planted charges?”
Then read what you write: “Your circumsized dick is as worn as your tire” “Ronnie Lie Schmuck” so you will quit fixating on my genitals - you sweet thing you *wink*
The sad thing is that he thinks he insulting us. I don’t know about you, but my foreskin isn’t exactly a hot button anger topic with me. In fact, statistically, I gotta think that the number of people who have read this and thought to themselves, “How dare he insinuate that I don’t have one!?” has gotta be zero. I’m sure that dog’ll hunt in the circles John frequents, but around here it’s like pissing in the wind.
And then there’s the variations that just don’t make any sense at all. How the heck can you tell if someone has circumcized [sic] lips? What the heck does “Try sucking your dick on line?” mean? Does that mean he wants streaming video or something? I just don’t understand it.
Oh and John, I’ve pointed this out before. I think you mean circumcised. Circumsized sounds like it’s supposed to mean oddly shaped or something.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.polonica.net/mordercy_Polakow.htm&ei=E9OWSsW2MZWINpWspcgP&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.polonica.net/mordercy_Polakow.htm%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1W1ADBF_en%26sa%3DG
Now, Ronnie:
Be a good boy and look at all the hundreds of Jewish Communist names and the dozens of faces. Then compare with what Jewish journalist John Sack says in his book “An Eye For An Eye”. Your statistics are as bogus as the ” six million”, Ronnie.
Hehehe John thames’s homo-erotic fixation with male genitalia is so obsessive - he can’t stop himself even after being ridiculed for it and endlessly denying it - it’s hilarious.
It’s always the most homophobic that turn out to be gay.
Pathetic Little Fangfuck:
Let’s stop worrying about insults and start worrying about facts. Why don’t you invite that “university lecturer”, Joseph Welch, to return to the discussion and explain how all those Jews in Polish Communist uniforms aren’t really what they appear to be?
Mr. Welch is a highly trained academic with “peer review” (Huff! Huff!)) credentials. It should therefore be no problem for him to demonstrate that plain facts do not mean what plain facts mean. By the way, Ronnie, hadn’t all these enlightened kikes already been “gassed” by the Germans?
http://www.amazon.com/Racial-Ambivalence-Germanys-Military-Establishment/dp/1934703516
Hey Ronnie and Fangfuck:
Here is a good one for you.”Hitler’s Black Soldiers”. The big bad Nazis were using all kinds of black, Hindu (Indian prisoners of war captured from the British obviously) and Arab soldiers, plus millions of East European SS auxiliaries in their armies during WW2. How very racist of them! I’ve got the book on order right now. Again, why don’t you invite your “peer review” expert, Mr. Welch to write a review of the book proving that it is all revisionist fantasy?
As Mr. Berg says, “It does not fit”. And Hitler admitting that he was wrong about race! Gee, you dumb asses can’t even do that after I take you apart, again and again. Isn’t this fun? You two losers must really be enjoying it.
Wiiiilburrrr,
Who is the author? It is no secret that the nazis recruited from the local population. Many were prosecuted after the war and gave riveting testimony and interviews about the murder in the reinhard camps and by the einsatzgruppen (and they were former members).
In fact, with regards to the muslims in the balkans and especially in palestine, the local population were actively lobbying Hitler to help with the holocaust, asked to set up a concentration camp in palestine, and even thwarted the efforts at exchanges between German pws and jewish children through the red cross!
The grand mufti of jerusalem actually went to berlin to meet with hitler and convinced him to allow muslims to join the ss, operated the nazi’s first arab language radio broadcasts in the Middle East, and even helped create the 13th waffen ss unit!
Today, you would be proud to know that hitler’s book sells well and is displayed prominently in many arab bookstores and it’s not uncommon to see older arabs sporting hitler mustaches.
Thanks for pointing that out . . . .honey buns.
“How very racist of them!”
Yeah. Adolph loved everyone equally. He was just joking around in Mein Kampf when he said things like this:
“From time to time our illustrated papers publish, for the edification of the German philistine, the news that in some quarter or other of the globe, and for the first time in that locality, a Negro has become a lawyer, a teacher, a pastor, even a grand opera tenor or something else of that kind. While the bourgeois blockhead stares with amazed admiration at the notice that tells him how marvellous are the achievements of our modern educational technique, the more cunning Jew sees in this fact a new proof to be utilized for the theory with which he wants to infect the public, namely that all men are equal. It does not dawn on the murky bourgeois mind that the fact which is published for him is a sin against reason itself, that it is an act of criminal insanity to train a being who is only an anthropoid by birth until the pretence can be made that he has been turned into a lawyer; while, on the other hand, millions who belong to the most civilized races have to remain in positions which are unworthy of their cultural level. The bourgeois mind does not realize that it is a sin against the will of the eternal Creator to allow hundreds of thousands of highly gifted people to remain floundering in the swamp of proletarian misery while Hottentots and Zulus are drilled to fill positions in the intellectual professions. For here we have the product only of a drilling technique, just as in the case of the performing dog.”
“Let’s stop worrying about insults”
I wasn’t ever worried about insults. After all, it’s not an insult if it’s not insulting. On that matter you’ve fallen short of the target. I’d say, you’re about as insulting as a novelty insult generator that has had its dictionary database populated by a 6 year old.
I’m more interested in why such a concern with the phallus, and sexuality seems to be a central theme with you. Coupled with your prejudices you certainly do make for an interesting subject to study.
First Fangfuck:
Yes, Hitler did write that. You are obviously using the very awkward Ralph Mannheim translation, not the much better James Murphy translation. (What else would one expect from Fangfuck?) It sounds exactly like affirmative action today and Miss Sotomayor, doesn’t it?
Now for Dummy Ronnie Boy.
Ronnie, who used to pretend that he was Catholic on the other thread before confessing that he is really a Mid-Eastern Jew, goes into gyrations over the well-known prescenceof the Grand Mufti in Berlin. But Ronnie, a lying little Zionist turd, is very, very silent about Marxist Jew Lenni brenner’s book “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators”. Thus, Ronnie says nothing about the Transfer Agreement, where 40,000 or so German Jews were sent by the Nazis to Palestine with their assets minus an exit tax. Nor does Ronnie mention all those special camps the Germans set up to train the German Jews for agricultural pursuits in Palestine. (Ronnie can find that one in “Zionism in the Third Reich” by Francis Nicosia, by another history professor Ronnie has never heard of or read. (Ronnie is very well educated. He reads dinosaur brain Deborah Lipstadt instead.) Ronnie doesn’t mention that it was the Zionist rabbis Leo Baeck and Joachim Prinz who helped Hitler formulate his definition of a Jew in the Nuremberg Laws. Nor does Ronnie mention that these Zionists of Germany praised Nazism to the skies, asserting that Zionism and Nazism working together would help preserve the “racial purity” of both Germans and Jews. Ronnie can look up all the documented statements by Siegfried Moses, George Landauer, George Kareski, Mark Blumenfeld and others to that effect. Nazis and Zionists appear to have something in common, after all. Then Ronnie can read all those articles in Der Schwarze Corps and other Nazi journals about what a wonderful state the Zionists were in the process of creating in Palestine and how German Jews really ought to go to their “true fatherland”. (It looks like the Nazis not merely agreed with Winston Churchill that Jews created Communism; they also agreed with him that Zionism was a good thing.) Surely Ronnie knows about the trip Nazi Mildenstein took to Palestine to meet with Haganah agent Fievel Polkes? And that the Zionists were only too happy to collaborate with the Special Emigration Office of the SS in moving Jews down the Danube through the Balkans on their way to illegal immigration to British Mandate Palestine?
And what about that medallion Dr. Joseph Goebbels struck commemorating Zionism? Or the fact that the Zionist blue and white flag of pre-Israel was the only flag other than the swastika allowed to fly in Hitler’s Germany pre-war? Shocking, Ronnie, shocking. Why don’t you mention these things while yapping about the Grand Mufti? And surely Ronnie knows that the Stern gang made an offer, when Rommel looked like a sure winner in North Aftica, to fight the British and their hated White Paper of 1939 on behalf of the Third Reich? I guess it is OK for his side to make deals with the hated Nazis but a severe no-no for the Grand Mufi to do it on a much more limited scale. Incidentally, Ronnie, the Grand Mufti did not determine German policy toward the Jews. That was done by Adolf Hitler himself.
Then we have that little problem of the mischlinge, the mixed German Jews. Adolf was rather indulgent toward them. He had quite a few thousand of them in the Wehrmacht, among other places. He converted most of them into “honarary Aryans”. (How strangely generous!) Consult “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers” by University of Kansas Press.He even made it a point not to deport members of German-Jewish mixed marriages to the labor camps. Here is a real wowser for you, Ronnie. One of the founders of the Schutstaffel, the dread SS, was Hitler’s personal chauffeur, the Jew Emil Maurice. A Jew as founder of the SS? What is going on here, Ronnie? Then there was the half-Jew Lieutenant Hugo Guttman, who used to award the Iron Cross on Hitler’s behalf. Reinhard Heydrich of Czech fame was allegedly half-Jewish, the son of a Jewish actor-father.Herman Goering, the Field Marshall, had a half-brother and half-Jew relative, Albert Goering. He used to condemn the regime without getting deported either.
Poor Ronnie and Fangfuck. In view of their extremely limited knowledge, perhaps they should read “Black Nazis”. But then, I like to learn facts. Fangfuck and Ronnie don’t like facts; they like to believe what they want to believe.
There is an interesting pattern developing here.
Since my opponents are completely impotent to deal with me on the facts, they have resorted to psychoanalyzing my behavior. Dr. Freud, otherwise known as Fangfuck, has decided that the fact that I am into swinging means that I am a closet homosexual. That is a fascinating conclusion. I presume that the same applies to David Irving, who likes to make passes at other men’s wives.
My personal behavior may, or may not, be deplorable, depending on one’s point of view. But my superb historical essays stand unrebutted. Anus brain Joseph Welch has made no effort to rebut anything I say in my book review of Slezkine’s “Jewish Century”, nor will he. He can’t. Instead he will trumpet his aademic credentials as a substitute for counterargument. Ronnie and Fangfuck cannot even do that.
Wilbur,
“Thus, Ronnie says nothing about the Transfer Agreement… Nor does Ronnie mention all those special camps…”
Ronnie doesn’t mention a lot of things, don’t read into it.
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“Ronnie, who used to pretend that he was Catholic on the other thread before confessing that he is really a Mid-Eastern Jew”
I did?
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“I like to learn facts.”
And i’m-a-gonna learn ya them! Before returning to Israel later on Thursday, Kai Diekmann, editor of Bild, Germany’s top-selling newspaper, handed Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu the “original blueprints for the most inhumane project in mankind … the plans included drawings of rooms including one marked “Gaskammer”
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btw your references to jewish nazis is stupid. Maurice, Heydrich were not jewish - in light of the fact that being accused of being jewish meant instant removal from the nazi party, competitors often accused people as being jewish for selfish, political gain.
Ronnie:
You pathetic liar.
If being Jewish meant automatic removal from the Nazi Party, then how do you explain all those “honorary Aryans” in the military? Sure, there were slanders passed around about people’s ancestry. One was a false allegation that Erhard Milch, the second-in-command to Goering of the Lutwaffe, was part-Jewish. He wasn’t. But none of that gets around the fact that there were considerable numbers of part Jews in Nazi Germany in prominent positions.
As to the rest of my documentation, you simply ignored it. We both know why. One other thing, dick head. “gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber”. It was probably nothing more than a testing device for gas traces after a delousing operation. Why doesn’t someone spray you?
http://www.fpp.co.uk/shop/Maurice/index.html
Hey Ronnie Slime Shit:
Emil Maurice was in fact Jewish. When Hitler learned in 1939, he graciously made Maurice an “honorary Aryan”. Don’t you think he should have reserved him a place in a future “gas chamber” instead?
“gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber”
Uh.
Yeah it does.
No, Ronnie.
Read Faurisson, Mattogno, et. al. You still know nothing about German construction documents and their meaning.
Ok, Fangfuck:
The one is as stupid as the other.
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/02/another-hackneyed-auschwitz-revelation.html
Poor Little Fangfuck:
OK, so it was a “gas chamber” - but not the kind you are claiming. Try harder.
Er John,
“gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber”
“OK, so it was a “gas chamber” - but not the kind you are claiming.”
*sigh*
btw what does ““Ronnie, who used to pretend that he was Catholic on the other thread before confessing that he is really a Mid-Eastern Jew” refer to?
Wilbur (Mr. “I like to learn facts”)
“Lieutenant Hugo Guttman, who used to award the Iron Cross on Hitler’s behalf”
Wrong. Hugo Gutmann, (not Guttman) was Hitler’s commanding officer in WW1. Gutmann awarded Hitler the Iron Cross 1st class during WW1 he did not award iron crosses on Hitler’s behalf.
Gutmann’s military records are all preserved. Gutmann escaped Germany in 1939, emigrated to the United States and changed his name to Henry Grant.
Hey, you learned some new facts!
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789
Keep reading, Ronnie.
Hey Ronnie:
Hugo Guttman, who recommended Corporal Hitler for the Iron Cross, was a Jew. More proof that Adolf’s relations with the tribe were not all bad in those days.
Wilbur
Actually, Hitler refused to wear the iron cross awarded by Gutmann specifically because Gutmann was jewish, was also an iron cross recipient, and Hitler felt it degraded the award that a jew wore it. Hitler didn’t start wearing his for years afterwards.
“Adolf’s relations with the tribe were not all bad in those days” uh huh as compared to a few years later anyway.
Wilbur,
Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers looks like an interesting book
Paraphrased from the author:
After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, Hitler discovered eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he’d anticipated.
As Rigg fully documents, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the “race.”
As the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht’s growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.
I recommend you read it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209890/PETER-HITCHENS-If-hadnt-fought-World-War-2-British-Empire.html
Informed English opinion agrees with me.
Ronnie:
I’m more interested in the facts that Rigg documents than in his interpretations of them. You still haven’t explained the fact that Viennese Jews marketed Hitler’s paintings for him - or that Hitler referred to Morgenstern as his “financial angel”.
Too bad you’re up against the grand master of the history texts, Ronnie. That is why you are getting your ass whipped so badly.
Wiiilburrr
Your point about Hitler’s use of minorities seems to be that Hitler was not a racist: “The big bad Nazis were using all kinds of black, Hindu…and Arab soldiers…How very racist of them!”
That’s a pretty stupid argument, even by your low standards. You would have to overlook pretty much all of what Hitler said and did, and all of the nazi racial laws to come up with that idiotic statement.
Congratulations Grand Master, you’ve broken new grounds in stupidity.
Then again, you don’t know the difference between leasing and buying the WTC, that Transjordan had an outlet to the sea, that the first income tax pre-dated WW1, that the JNF doesn’t own a majority of Israel, the the steel beams from the WTC were analyzed, that Gutmann awarded hitler the iron cross and didn’t award them on his behalf, that gaskammer” translates to “gas chamber”etc etc etc
Priceless
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2009/volume_1/number_2/david_irving_and_the_aktion_reinhardt_camps.php
Mass exterminations at Belzec, Trblinka and Sobibor bullshit.
Ronnie:
When you can get your finger out of your ass, you may be able to understand that this entire debate does not hinge on a small error over the port of Aquaba You just made a pawn to dick head four move.
What a well constructed post. That’s it. I’m switching sides. Get your finger out of your ass Ronnie and start playing dick chess with John this instant! Then maybe after that you could try sucking your dick on line with your circumsized [sic] lips.
Wilbur
Hey there you penis fixated grandmaster you. I rank this:
“Mass exterminations at Belzec, Trblinka and Sobibor bullshit”
right up there with your other brilliant point that Hitler and the nazis weren’t racists:
““The big bad Nazis were using all kinds of black, Hindu…and Arab soldiers…How very racist of them!”
Did you learn these facts from the same source you learned Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea? Ooo, ooo i got it, from your source that explained gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber.”
Fangbeer,
Pretend you’re at the zoo, don’t bang on the cage or tap the glass…
http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
More real history for dummie Ronnie.
http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2009/07/an-incident-of-hydrogen-cyanide-poisoning-and-what-it-means-to-the-zyklon-b-%e2%80%9cgas-chambers%e2%80%9d/#more-379
A useful little comparison forRonnie’s dummy brain.
John,
Too bad your website link to “Mass exterminations at Belzec, Trblinka and Sobibor bullshit” only had David Irving as a resource (who actually acknowledges the mass murders at the reinhard camps).
Rather than pointing to the inane nazi websites you always link to (the holocaust was a hoax! Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea! Read it here!) you should link to the 5 previous forensic excavations at Belzec - then maybe you won’t sound like such a penis-fixated dummy (or at lease such a dummy)
http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
John Thames doesn’t need me as a cheerleader…he can handle you doops without any assistance from my person.
And once again, you fools pore over minor obvious errors instead of dealing with the issue at hand.
Let’s try it again…
Let’s suppose that we got rid of all of those evil ragheads…what benefit will the world receive from Israel?
If you can’t answer this question, kindly STFU.
Hanover WB little guy! Allow me to answer:
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation, as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.
Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech start-ups.
24% of Israel’s workforce holds university degrees - ranking third in the industrialized world.
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day - and saved three victims from the rubble.
Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship - and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth.
Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as “conflict free.”
Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. U. S. officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.
Israel has the world’s second highest per capita of new books.
Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized,no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications. Every year in U.S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.
Israel’s Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. The camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure.
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and start-ups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (outside of Silicon Valley).
Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops which is in use around the world
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000
The cell phone was developed in Israel.
Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
AOL Instant Messenger was developed by four Israelis.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue
The ICQ instant messaging program, which has become an integral part of every computer the world over, was developed in Israel
Most of the Windows XP operating system was developed in Israel.
VOIP technology (Voice over Internet Protocol, the basis for programs like Skype), making international telephone calls simple, inexpensive and readily available, was developed in Israel
Teva is the largest company in the world for generic medicines and is an Israeli company.
Enjoy the benefits the world receives from israel.
Devil boy, here’s some more benefits the world receives from Israel:
Israeli-developed designer-eyeglasses, which promise mobile phone and iPod users, a personalized, high-tech video display. Available to US consumers next year, Lumus-Optical’s lightweight and fashionable video eyeglasses, feature a large transparent screen, floating in front of the viewer’s face that projects their choice of movie, TV show, or video game.
Israeli start-up, Veterix, has developed an innovative new electronic capsule that sits in the stomach of a cow, sheep, or goat, sending out real-time information on the health of the herd, to the farmer via Email or cell phone. The e-capsule, which also sends out alerts if animals are distressed, injured, or lost, is now being tested on a herd of cows, in the hopes that the device will lead to tastier and healthier meat and milk supplies.
Millions of Skype users worldwide will soon have access to the newly developed KishKish lie-detector. This free internet service, based on voice stress analysis (a technique, commonly used in criminal investigations), will be able to measure just how truthful that person on the other end of the line, really is
Beating cardiac tissue has been created in a lab from human embryonic stem cells by researchers at the Rappaport Medical Faculty and the Technion, Israel’s Institute of Technology’s biomedical Engineering faculty.
Israel’s Magal Security Systems, created a state-of-the-art security system that includes Intelligent video, audio and sensor management, is now being used by local american water authorities to safeguard the utilities’ sites
Israel’s Bio-Sense Technologies, recently designed a dog bark-reader, a sensor that can pick up a dog’s alarm bark, and alert the human operators.
Israeli company, BioControl Medical, created a electrical stimulator to treat urinary incontinence, and is working on CardioFit, which uses electrical nerve stimulation to treat congestive heart failure.
FIRST (Fast Israeli Rescue and Search Team) rescue units have operated to save lives from man-made and natural disasters like the Tsunami and earthquakes in Turkey, India, Mexico, El- Salvador, Greece, Armenia, New Guinea and more.
Cryotherapy, a hypothermic method by which targeted cancerous tissue are destroyed, was invented by Galil Medical, a privately owned start-up company in Shaar Yokneam in the north of the country.
PrionSense Ltd., founded in 2001 by Hadasit together with Dr. Ruth Gabizon of Hadassah’s Department of Neurology, has developed a technology which detects mad cow disease that has caused millions of cows to be killed in the last few years before it erupts.
Dissolving blood clots which cause strokes and myocardial infarcts is the business of Thrombotech Ltd. Now in the developing stage just before beginning clinical tests in Israel and after safety checks, it will be available in injection form for emergency treatment in hospitals within five years.
IDGENE PHARMACEUTICALS LTD. is an Israeli company focused on identifying the genetic basis of common diseases like diabetes mellitus types I and II, schizophrenia, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, asthma, and cancer of the breast and colon.
IsraAID is the coordinating body of Israeli and Jewish NGOs and other interested parties based in Israel that are active in development and relief work around the world.
Israel’s Optoacoustics’ Interventional MR Optical Communication System (IMROC) is the only system that enables doctors in iMRI environments to work smoothly and quietly, speaking freely with both technicians and patients.
Israel’s SeaGen Systems, has come up with a solution to pipe liquefied petroleum gases deep underwater, and store it far from shore, keeping the gas away from the hands of terrorists, and safe from accidental explosions.
The international GenoMEL project, of which Israel is a partner, has succeeded in identifying genetic and environmental risk factors for developing melanomas.
A team of mathematicians from Israel is creating a statistical medical management tool that could help world authorities control pandemic influenza outbreaks and save lives.
Israeli company Opgal Optronics developed the heat sensor that pinpoints people in a crowd suffering from a fever, offering the potential to slow the spread of pandemic illnesses like swine flu.
Israeli company Voltaire builds super-computer servers that deliver high performance at low power consumption – helping to green our computers.
Israeli company Cupron in Modiin, created a copper oxide antimicrobial masks that is capable of destroying any bacteria, fungi and viruses that come into contact with it.
ron,
STFU, my ally and friend hANOVER fIST meant besides ALL that!
Hanover
“John Thames doesn’t need me as a cheerleader”
Awww you make a cute cheerleader! I’m sure our penis-fixated John Thames would like to see you in that outfit with a set of pom poms too
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8237708.stm
here we go again.
Let me guess, moRON…you believe in “Peak Oil”, too?
I guess it’s time to get real.
http://www.subvertednation.net/filthy-jews-publish-photos-of-dead-soldiers-for-fun/
You stupid bastards have killed one American too many…and I mean YOU, fifth-columnists.
JFK AND PEARL HARBOR – TWO MYSTERIES, TWO DIFFERING INTERPRETATIONS
A great industry has grown up over the JFK assassination. Innumerable books have been written, and continue to be written, arguing every conceivable theory regarding the assassination. It is a source of never ending speculation. There are frequently pious assertions that the assassination of President Kennedy marked the end of an alleged “innocence” in American life. But there seems to be no similar interest in a much greater conspiracy in American life – the set up of the fleet at Pearl Harbor. Here was an event which involved a much greater loss of life than the assassination of one president and a police officer. It was an event which forever altered the foreign policy of the country. It led to American intervention in a war that permanently altered the shape of the planet. The cover up was every bit as immense as the cover up on JFK – but ultimately much easier to solve. And yet, Pearl Harbor has received but a fraction of the attention that the JFK assassination has received. Why?
One big reason is that Pearl Harbor marked American entry into a war that has become holy. Since the war is now holy, it would not do to question the origins of American participation in that war. That would be sacrilege. Since it was obviously FDR who set up the fleet, to question Pearl Harbor is also to question the integrity of a man who was supposedly the greatest of all U.S. presidents. Pearl Harbor is, therefore, taboo. It is generally acknowledged that there are uncomfortable factual problems with the Pearl Harbor record but polite history maintains the silence. In the Kennedy assassination, however, there is more room for romance and speculation. Whoever did it the culprit was not the president. It may have been LBJ but even that possibility has been hushed up until recently. The record points unequivocally to Franklin Roosevelt as the murderer at Pearl Harbor; November 22, 1963 opens the door to any number of possibilities. The imagination can literally run riot. Political prejudice very obviously comes into play. Leftists who want to believe that Kennedy was assassinated because he opposed the intelligence agencies or the oil barons can have a field day; rightists who wish to believe that Kennedy was assassinated because he opposed Israel’s development of nuclear weapons can also have a field day.
There is one point of similarity between Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination. Both Pearl Harbor and the death of JFK allegedly marked the “end of innocence”. Pearl Harbor marked the end of isolationism, the allegedly discredited notion that America should refrain from intervening in the rest of the world’s problems. Kennedy’s assassination supposedly marked the end of “Camelot”, that perfect age before Civil Rights where America was 90% a white nation and employers could hire whomever they wished. In reality, there was no “Camelot”. Kennedy was a rather unpopular president while in office. He had many mishaps and blunders to his credit, none more disastrous than the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. He has become a shining knight in white armor only because of the assassination and the mystery that still surrounds it. His innumerable sexual liaisons and election racketeering with Chicago mobsters are considered pardonable indiscretions by the last president before Civil Rights. Even the fact that his more famous utterances were written for him has generally been forgotten. As for his post-WW2 diary which commented so favorably on Adolf Hitler that, too, has been forgotten.
Speculating on who killed JFK shall continue to be a revered intellectual past time because it offers something for everybody and does not threaten the intellectual foundations of received opinion. No one will get fired from his job for speculating on the Kennedy assassination, unlike espousing raw Holocaust Denial or asserting the treason of Roosevelt at Pearl Harbor.
HEY YOU, fifth-columnists:
“Three men have been found guilty of plotting to kill thousands of people by blowing up planes flying from London to America with home-made liquid bombs. A Woolwich Crown Court jury convicted Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 28, Tanvir Hussain, 28, and Assad Sarwar, 29, of conspiring to activate bombs disguised as drinks.”
Looks like some more of the quisling, Chosen One patsies in a Mossad FALSE FLAG op were flubbed. They have jewish fifth-columnist written all over themselves. Boy I’d love to take a hockey stick to their baseball helmets!
So sorry.
Wilburrr,
“Pearl Harbor has received but a fraction of the attention that the JFK assassination has received. Why?”
Because it hasn’t. Unless you’re Wilbur the penis-fixated nazi, and believe over 15,000 entries on google books for pearl harbor attack is a fraction of the 7,259 entries for JFK assassination.
“FDR… a man who was supposedly the greatest of all U.S. presidents.”
Sure, if you’re Wilbur the dumb angry redneck, ignore the C-Span, ABC, Gallop, Washington College, and Rasmussen polls, and simply make up facts.
Aint y’all got a GED to study for Wilbur?
moRON, aka shAM UP HIS OWN RECTUM:
You must be dumber than GW Bush himself if you believe that this was a legitimate ruling from an uncompromised court.
Your hockey helmet must be the consistency of foot-thick sheet rock, dumbass.
hANOVER fIST
I couldn’t have said it better myself. That moRON is a dumbass, as if some “jury” isn’t “compromised” by you-know-who!
You know the ruling isn’t legitimate when all police found was a suitcase with bomb-making components hidden in woodland with all the ingredients for making HMTD and who do they nab? A couple of mossad quisling hacks preparing for a FALSE FLAG operation. It’s right out of the “peak oil” playbook!
Can you say fifth column quisling mossad false flag op?
Better tighten those hockey helmets before the baseball bat comes YOU, fifth-columnists!
hanover
did you like the benefits the world receives from Israel?
Hey Hanover, I visited your lame blog, and I just couldn’t get past the screaming “Open-Air Fires CANNOT Melt Steel!” headline.
Blah blah blah… “BOMBS or similar methods”… blah blah blah… JEWS… blah blah blah…
You need to do some book learnin’.
The WTC columns did not have to melt to fail. Heat ‘em up, they weaken. It happened, get over yourself, move on into the night.
Oh, and I like the whole “… or similar methods”. So… what is YOUR theory? Hmmm? Don’t just wave your hands and mumble - explain clearly what sorts of “BOMBS” were used, where exactly they were placed, how they were controlled, in what sort of order they were detonated, how they were installed in the towers without a single soul knowing about it.
You know, show some actual evidence instead of the ramblings of a paranoid lunatic.
Message ends.
WHO STOOD BEHIND LBJ?
In the ordinary criminal murder investigation, the party who most immediately benefits from the death is the prime suspect. In the death of John Kennedy, the most immediate beneficiary of the death was Lyndon Baines Johnson. LBJ went from the vice-presidency to the White House. Prior to the assassination Johnson had fallen out of favor with both John Kennedy and his brother Bobby. The Kennedy’s were planning to drop Johnson from the reelection ticket. Had this occurred, Johnson’s hopes of ever reaching the White House would have been finished. Johnson had severe political problems of his own. Billie Sol Estes, one of his influence peddlers, had made many damaging accusations against Johnson before miraculously committing suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head with a shotgun. Bobbie Baker, another one of Johnson’s influence peddlers, was under indictment for numerous offenses tying him to Johnson. Johnson was in serious trouble. The Kennedy assassination solved all the problems. Johnson got a job he could never have won in an election. He also got the power to quash the inconvenient investigations of his associates. Most important of all, he got the power to appoint the commission which investigated the murder from which he most directly benefited.
LBJ as the immediate beneficiary of the Kennedy assassination cannot be doubted. But was there a force behind Johnson which also stood to benefit from Kennedy’s removal? Indeed there was. In fact, Johnson had always been the devoted servant of this power long before the assassination. This was the power of Zionism, the power that created the state of Israel. When Johnson first entered politics, it was as the protégé of Congressman John Weitz. LBJ’s financial angel was the Jewish firm of Brown and Root. During his introductory decade in politics Johnson had shown an extraordinary interest in things Jewish. He had been prominent in rescuing Jews from Germany and bringing them to the United Stated. One in particular was the conductor Erich Leinsdorf. During the years preceding the creation of the state of Israel, LBJ had participated in the vast gun smuggling of arms to the Jewish underground in Palestine. He had packed the arms into United Fruit crates with his good Jewish friend, Jim Novy. When Johnson narrowly defeated Coke Stevenson in the 1948 Senatorial election, it was 200 dead Mexicans in Alice, Texas who stole the election for him. Not so well known is the fact that the fix was performed by the Zionist Jew Abraham Fortas in collaboration with Hugo Black on the Supreme Court. Johnson later rewarded Fortas by appointing him to the Supreme Court. When Johnson became Senate Majority leader he led the opposition to Dwight Eisenhower’s efforts to force Israel to withdraw from the Sinai desert during the 1956 Israeli-Egyptian war. LBJ was “in tight” with the tribe.
When the Democratic ticket for the 1960 election was being prepared, it was Phil Graham, the pro-Zionist editor of the extremely influential Washington Post newspaper, who persuaded Johnson to accept the VP nomination. Graham’s motive? He wanted Johnson to keep an eye on Kennedy’s attitude toward Israel. None of these highly interesting considerations would be of any relevance but for one fact – there was a major change in U.S. policy toward Israel between the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. First, it should be noted that the Jews – and particularly the Zionists – were very suspicious of Kennedy because of Joseph Kennedy Sr.’s well known pro-Nazi sympathies. JFK was, therefore, extremely suspect in their eyes. Kennedy had also made a number of speeches in favor of the rights of the Palestinian refugees as Senator that did not endear him to the Jews. His securing of the Democratic nomination was a very narrow thing. Essentially, he had to: (1) accept Johnson, much against his wishes, as his Zionist appointed watchdog and (2) get the nomination on the first ballot. Otherwise, the nomination would have gone to Adlai Stevenson or Hubert Humphrey. When Kennedy came to office there developed an enormous clash with Israel over its nuclear development program. The Israelis were pushing full speed ahead with a nuclear arsenal program. Kennedy wanted it stopped. He also wanted international inspection of the Dimona reactor, something Ben-Gurion refused. Eventually a phony inspection of a phony reactor was arranged with the Americans denied inspection of the reactor itself. The Ben-Gurion government regarded the nuclear program as essential to Israel’s survival. Not long afterwards Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza.
The key question is whether there was congruence in motives. Was Johnson’s motive in assassinating Kennedy the same as Israel’s motive in assassinating Kennedy? The answer is no but the different motives aimed at exactly the same result – Kennedy’s removal. And, as we have seen, Johnson was the Zionist’s man. Was there a major change in U.S. policy toward Israel after LBJ entered the White House? Yes there was. All demands that Israel’s nuclear programs be stopped ceased. There were no more demands for the return of the Palestinian refugees. Johnson gave Israel the green light for its 1967 war of aggression against the Arabs. When the Israelis attacked the U.S. intelligence ship Liberty Johnson refused to allow fighters from nearby aircraft carriers to fly to the ships assistance. He accepted at face value the transparent Israeli lies about the attack being a case of “mistaken identity”. He instituted a cover up that has lasted to the present day. LBJ also appointed many Zionists to high positions of power in his administration. These included Walt and Eugene Rostow to the National Security Administration, Abe Fortas to the Supreme Court and many others. U.S. aid to Israel increased from $40 million under Kennedy to over $130 million under Johnson. The U.S.-Zionist romance was in full flower.
Kennedy had fallen; LBJ and the Zionists had risen. Did the Jews and their front man kill JFK? No one can say. But someone killed a second Kennedy six years later – and the alleged assassin was a Palestinian. Did a force with a memory dating back to the 1930’s strike again pinning the blame cynically on their primary political foe of the moment? Again, there is no proof, only speculation. One man’s speculation is another man’s absurdity. But one thing is certain – the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy elevated Lyndon Baines Johnson to a position he desperately desired and which he could never have won at the ballot box. Johnson reversed Kennedy’s policies toward Israel – and implemented the Zionist program of Civil Rights domestically. There was a motive, a possible pay off and a cover up. It is suggestive and as good a theory as any.
‘… the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy elevated Lyndon Baines Johnson to a position he desperately desired and which he could never have won at the ballot box.’
Except for the landslide he won in 1964 against Barry Goldwater.
John Thames - the master of historical facts - does it again.
Wilbur,
“The Kennedy’s were planning to drop Johnson from the reelection ticket. Had this occurred, Johnson’s hopes of ever reaching the White House would have been finished.”
Aren’t you the idiot who wrote:
“LBJ gave up the extremely powerful position of Senate Majority Whip to take a go-nowhere position as Vice-President of the United States.”
You should have written on man’s absurdity is plain absurdity
“First, it should be noted that the Jews – and particularly the Zionists – were very suspicious of Kennedy because of Joseph Kennedy Sr.’s well known pro-Nazi sympathies. JFK was, therefore, extremely suspect in their eyes.”
Hahaha extremely suspect, Kennedy received 82% of the Jewish vote.
Hey Wilbur, after y’all fail yer GED again y’all might wanna go to Israel and visit Yad Kennedy, the 60′ memorial to JFK. Don’t spend a lot of time looking for the Johnson memorial - there ain’t be none!
ps I also like how you jump away from the remains of your dumb argument that the “Pearl Harbor attack has received but a fraction (over 15,000 google book entries) of the attention that the JFK assassination has received (7,259 google book entries) why?”
pps hey grandmaster, you should actually read your sources before you link them. Thanks for recommending Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg an amazing book. Truly!
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789
(link provided courtesy of self-declared “grandmaster” penis-fixated holocaust denier john thames!)
“I’m more interested in the facts that Rigg documents than in his interpretations of them.” -john thames aka wilbur sensor
Hm let’s see some of the facts Rigg documents:
“According to the first supplementary decree of 14 November 1935 Nuremberg Laws Art. 5, sec 2 paragraph c any half-jews born after 15 September 1935 would be considered jews in violation of the law.”
“In 1943, Himmler informed Lammers that the Endlosung would include half-jews.”
“Hans Frank, governor general of occupied poland included mischlinge in his extermination report of 16 December 1941. . . Frank felt that the Nazis would be free of the jewish disease only when the mischlinge were also exterminated.”
“Between 1943 and 1944 mischling children from welfare institutions were sent to Hadamar’s euthanasia center where they were poisoned.”
Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers, pp166-171 University Press of Kansas (2002)
moRon you circumspect idiot. Can you say SUBLIMINAL false flag Kennedy memorial?
Fangbeer…beautiful stuff. Your point on the SUBLIMINAL false flag memorial ops could not have been presented better.
You ouija boards suppressing blasphemers of our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew have killed one American president too many…and I mean YOU, fifth-columnists.
“A New York Times reporter held by the Taliban in Afghanistan was freed during a dramatic airborne commando raid on Wednesday.”
Looks like the patsies in the Mossad-created “Taliban” flubbled up another false-flag.
So sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXl3tSYPhuU&feature=email
Hey - buy a kidney fer just $160,000 - nice and juicy!
Such a deal!
Geekengineer - your page actually gave me a laugh…come back to my blog - got something for you…
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif
That collapse, right?
Remember…no plane hit this building.
WHO STOOD BEHIND 911?
In the ordinary criminal murder investigation, the party who most immediately benefits from the death is the prime suspect. In the deaths of the 911 victims, the beneficiaries of the deaths were toenail clipper manufacturers. Prior to 911, most people went through life with one set of toenail clippers – they lasted forever. After 911, you couldn’t take toenail clippers on a plane. This obviously lead to having to buy new toenail clippers in every city traveled to because there was no way to sneak them onto a plane. The profits sizzled, and the customer- toenail clipper maker romance was in full flower.
The twin towers had fallen; and the toenail clipper makers had risen. Did the toenail manufacturers kill all those people? No one can say. Again, there is no proof, only speculation. One man’s speculation is another man’s absurdity. But one thing is certain – 911 elevated toenail manufacturers to a position they desperately desired and which they could never have won in the marketplace. There was a motive, a clear pay off and a cover up. It is suggestive and as good a theory as any.
Sigh… you troofer idiots keep misusing the phrases “freefall speed”, “pull it”, “pyroclastic flow”, “controlled demolition”… the list goes on.
Who said anything about the WTC towers’ steel columns failing evenly? What the hell are you talking about?
You and your troofer ilk take a thing that you don’t understand (physics, aerodynamics, you know, scientific stuff) and twist it around using grainy YouTube videos, self-important bloggers, and general handwavium to push a weird agenda of armchair “revolution”.
The “evidence” supporting “controlled demolition” is so flimsy, it simply isn’t worth re-re-re-debunking. You’ve got a lot of time on your hands, and I suggest you use it more wisely.
I recommend getting off your ass, going to school, and earning a degree in mechanical engineering. It will really help you realize the error of your ways.
Then again… you have this ingrained hatred of authority (just like psikeyhackr and a few others) that makes you allergic to knowledge and learning.
Good luck, and yes, I would like fries with that.
Is this Glenn Beck?
You’ll never get your advertisers back this way, dimwit.
Just gotta say…I’d like for you to explain how an aircraft impact and fire could PULVERISE concrete and steel.
Let’s see some of that superior acumen put to task.
By the way, the fries are in your hockey helmet.
Oh little troofer boy, take my advice and go to school.
“Just gotta say…I’d like for you to explain how an aircraft impact and fire could PULVERISE concrete and steel.”
Physics. Simple, plain-as-day, irrefutable physics.
Oh, and “pulverize” is yet another term you are twisting around. Yes, it’s somewhat accurate, but you’re trying to put some sort of weird spin on it.
Education is key. Get some.
“I’d like for you to explain”
To you?
HA!
Good luck with this one, Geek. You thought Pysch was a nutbag? This guy has turned insane rants into an art form. He’s a black hole of raving mad. Even when you mock him and he’ll one up you with something even more hilarious. A commenter here compared him to King Lear’s fool, and he shot back that he was more like the love interest of Hop Frog. Another commenter here tries to out rave him with disjointed snippets of his own posts just to show how ridiculous he is and Han up and gave the poster a pat on the back for such lucid commentary. He’s his own parody of himself.
It’s like the circus up in here.
Well, I suppose I’ll leave this particular den of loons and leave them to stew in their self-aggrandizing juices.
Fung and Geek and Glenn Beck I guess it’s time to get real
No aircraft impact and fire could PULVERISE concrete and steel in the WTC because THERE WERE NO PLANES! All of this is SUBLIMINAL in that it creates the mindset of slavish, self-sacrificing, servile mentality in its victims, that readily accepts the jews to be in charge!!!! It’s FUCKING WRONG, period.
Fung have anyone reads Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9?
Your hockey helmet needs some loosening, Trippetta. And don’t even mention Al-Qaeda the MADE-UP organization!!!!
Lol… that’s good satire.
Oh wait… you’re serious?
No planes? Really?
I’ve challenged others to do this, but to the best of my knowledge, no one has the balls to do it:
Go to Times Square today or tomorrow at around 2pm and scream at the top of your lungs, “There were no planes on 9/11″.
I triple dog dare you.
“All of this is SUBLIMINAL in that it creates the mindset of slavish, self-sacrificing, servile mentality in its victims, that readily accepts the jews to be in charge!!!!”
WTF? Are people still blaming joos for everything? That’s sooooo 1930’s.
You idiots are a parody of the shites I take. Yeah, Fung, moRON, et al, I’m referring to you asshats.
GeekEngineer - you can join this comedy troup of errors if you wish…but you’ll regret it.
By the way…seen my latest?
http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/09/charlie-sheen-demands-obama-reopen-911.html
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/
Kindly note deletion of key point 7.
No, Geek. Shamwow is not serious. Shamwow is the guy that Han commended for such a great post after posting a parody of Han’s cut an past rant about Ouija boards and Han’s true lord and savior satan….
Geekengineer
Stop strapping on your hockey helmet so tight! THERE WERE NO PLANES!
With enough research, Christianity and its cohorts can be summed up, revealing its true purpose. They are deluded as to the nazarene, as the nazarene is also a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin.
The fictitious jewish archetypes such as the nazarene create a powerful subconscious association with what is known as “The God Part of the Brain” and act to transfer this mindset of worship to the jews who intend upon ruling the world.
Ever consider that the 911 TRUTH, ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods who have been shamefully and hideously blasphemed and labeled as “evil”
Bet ya didn’t because your hockey helmet must be the consistency of foot-thick sheet rock, dumbass!!!!!
I’m atheist, and I don’t even like hockey…
Fung - your new pal just proved that he’s no smarter than hANOVER fIST, despite boasting of his engineering skills.
So sad.
“Shamwow is the guy that Han commended for such a great post after posting a parody of Han’s cut an past rant about Ouija boards and Han’s true lord and savior satan….”
Blow me.
Awww hanny don’t get upset.
Focus on how ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have been strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods who have been shamefully and hideously blasphemed and labeled as “evil!”
I give you a 91 for enthusiasm!
Hanover
OMFG you’re in luck!
Maybe the fifth column that suborned our representatives flubbled another false flag op?
Perhaps the jews responsible for intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATAN (which means “enemy” in Hebrew) are being generous?
But someone is running a sale on handmade wooden ouija boards, astrology and other forms of divination. Where else but:
http://www.witchboards.net/newpay.html
Go get one little buddy!
ps Hanover
I don’t think geekengineer was serious.
You can tell by his starting off his post with “Lol… that’s good satire” and using a childish expression like “I triple dog dare you.”
Another dead give away is his suggestion that he’s made the following challenge before:
“I’ve challenged others to do this, but to the best of my knowledge, no one has the balls to do it: scream at the top of your lungs, “There were no planes on 9/11?.
I doubt anyone other than our fictional sHAM wOW has ever argued there were no planes on 911.
You should really read up on satire one day, you won’t come across as so dim and gullible. Who knows, maybe you’ll look back on your body of writing and cringe.
hANOVER fIST
Don’t listen to moRON! We are allies and friends in exposing the Bible as nothing more than a fictitious history . . . and intense blasphemy against . . . our True Creator God Satan!”
Pfft, their hockey helmets are strapped so tight they probably believe in “Peak Oil” too.
moRON
Technically, I’m not fictional.
I’m more of what you’d call a subliminal mindset such as the nazarene. You know, a powerful subconscious association with what is known as “The God Part of the Brain.”
http://buchanan.org/blog/human-events-vs-pat-buchanan-2140
See Jews dfense of Buchanan.
http://www.davidduke.com/general/israel-gets-tough-on-intermarriage-jews-campaign-for-intermarriage-for-whites-but-against-it-for-jews_12200.html#more-12200
Aren’t Israeli Nazis so enlightened?
First let’s deal with asshole head Joseph Welch.
LBJ won the 1964 landslide election against Goldwater because of public sympathy over the Kennedy assassination. Four years later he refused to run for reelection because the fiasco of Vietnam had finished him. Thus, my point about LBJ’s inability to win election on his own merits remains perfectly valid. Had Kennedy not been assassinated Johnson would not even have been on the Democratic ticket. Thus, anus brain Welch has refuted nothing; he has merely indulged a cheap debating tactic ( the only kind he has).
Now for Ronnie Moron.
Ronnie just loves to ennumerate the blessings those Jewish Nazis in Palestine have bestowed upon the world. However, the things he doesn’t mention are most revealing. He says nothing about the enormous financial drain the Zionist state imposes upon the US taxpayer. He says nothing about the intense hostility US support for Israel earns us in the Moslem world. He doesn’t mention how we have gone from being the most admired nation in the Near East following WW2 to the most hated nation in the Middle East precisely because of our support of Israel. Nor he does he mention how every US politician has to suck an AIPAC cock to get elected. These are the blessings of Israel to the US as not recounted by Ronnie Boy.
And, if one went a little further back into the history Ronnie does not read, Zionism cost the British Empire an enormous amount of money to set up and maintain an embryonic Jewish state in Arab Palestine,one Royal Investigating Commission after another to deal with the unresolvable problems that resulted, the loss of the British reputation for good faith and fair dealing and a vast terror campaign against British soldiers and officials from 1944-1948. Such were the blessings bestowed on the British by the Zionists who sold them a bill of goods. Ronnie does not notice that these same Zionists are planning to use the US to fight a war agaonst Iran for Israel’s benefit. The Zionists obviously plan to dump the US after they have bled it dry, just like they bled the British dry. Ronnie is so astute, in between swooning over Israeli Schmucks with universty degrees in basic Marxism.
Now for Ronnie’s Google search Kennedy Gallup poll. If Ronnie will check out the number of TV talk shows devoted to the Kennedy assassination versus the number of History Channel documentaries on Pearl Harbor, he may come up with a different set of numbers. But Ronnie ain’t too bright - that’s why the fine points escape him just as much as the basic points.
For Ronnie-The-Moron again.
Yes, Hitler found it difficult to remove all those Jews who had penetrated so deeply into German society - but he found it far easier to kill six million Jews with technologically impossible “gas chambers”. Such is the logic of Ronnie Moron.
Wilbur,
“Nor he does he mention how every US politician has to suck an AIPAC cock to get elected.”
You have a striking penis fixation. You also can’t go more than a couple of posts without vividly writing a homo-erotic or male sexual act.
I’m no psychologist, but I don’t think you need to be one to notice your anger against jewish people - which itself is poorly supported - is probably from an internal conflict, and your own self-hatred.
***
“If Ronnie will check out the number of TV talk shows devoted to the Kennedy assassination versus the number of History Channel documentaries on Pearl Harbor”
That is not “a different set of numbers” to rebut the statistic I showed that there have been more than double the books published on pearl harbor’s attack than JFK’s assasination.
You made up a fact, it was obvious, and now support it with more made up stuff. How many TV shows? (as if that means anything) btw, list them.
If John Thames has a “striking penis fixation”, as you assert, it may be because he has borne witness to our whore representatives sucking on so much cock, it makes him sick to his stomach. All of that uncircumsized tiny schvantze (Ron Jeremy notwithstanding) eagerly taken in the mouths of Pelosi, Hoyer, etc. - herpes and all.
GeekEngineer…I hoped for the best…ah, well. Let’s go back to your first posting here, in reference to my blog posting, http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/09/im-attempting-to-hammer-this-point.html - you mumbled something along the lines of, and here I directly quote: “Blah blah blah… “BOMBS or similar methods”… blah blah blah… JEWS… blah blah blah…”
Hmmm…I’m just wondering…where did you find the word “JEWS” in the entirety of that posting?
I did a word find with the web browser, just in case my “hatred” was blinding me; alas, I was unable to find A SINGLE REFERENCE to “JEWS” in that posting.
Could it be that you came here with some preconceptions? I’d say so.
moRON - the one thing you’re refusing to accept is that the assassination of JFK and the attack upon Pearl Harbor are both FALSE-FLAG ATTACKS, regardless of whatever tripe is offered up by the various networks as “research”.
GeekEngineer - you’ll notice that I haven’t yet made fun of your nom de plume…but that is contingent upon your next response to me. If the best you can do is to ignore the fact that you COMPLETELY MADE UP AN ARGUMENT WITH WHICH YOU USED TO TAKE FAULT WITH MY POSTING, you will find said nom de plume mangled, as befits all scumbags.
And do yourself a favor - don’t cite NIST as an expert in anything, except maybe in inserting their collective cranial cavities into the anus of Larry “Two Sheds” Silverstein and everyone else who assisted with the murder of over 3,000 Americans. Those nitwits couldn’t even come up with a convincing lie to explain why WTC 7 collapsed.
Ha No Ver
“I was unable to find A SINGLE REFERENCE to “JEWS” in that posting…could it be that you came here with some preconceptions? I’d say so.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahah try reading anything you write some time, you’d get a laugh.
“If John Thames has a “striking penis fixation”, as you assert, it may be because he has borne witness to our whore representatives sucking on so much cock, it makes him sick to his stomach.”
John thames writes about male orgasms, male genitalia and male-on-male fellatio all the time because he they excite him, not because it makes his stomach ache.
He’s gay, and he’s conflicted. Get it?
“GeekEngineer - you’ll notice that I haven’t yet made fun of your nom de plume…but that is contingent upon your next response to me. If the best you can do is to ignore the fact that you COMPLETELY MADE UP AN ARGUMENT WITH WHICH YOU USED TO TAKE FAULT WITH MY POSTING, you will find said nom de plume mangled, as befits all scumbags.”
So, hanover, you’re a Knight of the Internet? Ooooookay. I’m skeered.
I am a degreed mechanical engineer who understands the physics behind the 9/11 attacks. As with all sciences, politics doesn’t come into play in physical events. That’s a human flaw - injecting an agenda into a situation that simply requires mathematical analysis.
What are your qualifications?
Sane, educated people with a modicum of scientific education and experience know that steel and concrete skyscrapers don’t turn to shattered steel, molten metal and fine powder in 10 seconds after localized, relatively low temperature fires.
I noticed that you have not bothered to reply in regards to here the word “JEWS” appeared in that posting.
I’m still waiting…
Sane, educated people with a modicum of scientific education and experience know that steel and concrete skyscrapers can - and will - collapse after being struck by high-speed airliners, with the obvious resulting catastrophic structural damage and fires.
Your blog is chock full of anti-Jewish propaganda.
Sane?
Ain’t you the little fella who said:
“All of this is subliminal in that it creates the mindset of slavish, self-sacrificing, servile mentality in its victims, that readily accepts the jews to be in charge. The fictitious jewish archetypes such as the nazarene create a powerful subconscious association with what is known as “The God Part of the Brain” and act to transfer this mindset of worship to the jews who intend upon ruling the world.”
Oh and this:
“The Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history of the jews, and intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew.”
In your opinion, it may be, but NOT THAT POSTING…unless you’re admitting to complicity.
You’ve missed a couple of things, pal. Wrong acts are wrong, regardless of who commits said acts.
We all agree that muggers are bad, yes? Does it matter if the mugger is white, black, jewish, asian or dominican? NO.
It’s WRONG, period, right?
So…let’s take organ trafficking - pretty bad shite, yes? You’ll see in one of my postings that an organ transplant went wrong, and now the recipient is worse off after the transplant. Can you in any way excuse what occurred?
Now, I know you can’t explain how the second building to be struck (obliquely,mind you) ended up being the first to collapse. You contend that it’s perfectly reasonable for this to happen…but how do you explain the ENTIRE STRUCTURE practically disintegrating?
From the airplane strike, the building should have toppled OVER, not INTO ITSELF. Furthermore, it should have taken much more time to enact the global collapse. The pancake theory does not work with the weakened steel scenario, and if you’re honest about this, you’ll admit you’re the one with the political bias on your sleeve.
moRon
I just have to laugh at your retarded attempts.
Didn’t I tell you that I don’t subscribe to silly religions? Just because you and GWB heard voices from the sky telling you that Palestine belongs to you doesn’t mean you’re to act upon it.
Ha No Ver
“Didn’t I tell you that I don’t subscribe to silly religions? ”
Hehe yeah you did:
“…intense blasphemy against…our True Creator God Satan”
But you say a lot of stupid things
Ronnie Boy:
Hanover kicked your ass.
As to my penis fixation, the only thing I’m fixated on is how stupid you are. Whether I comment on your limp dick, your leaking asshole or your highly tuned idiot’s “mind”, all it means, freely translated, is:
FUCK YOU
“From the airplane strike, the building should have toppled OVER, not INTO ITSELF.”
Alright Mr. Physics. What would supply the thrust to push the building “OVER” instead of “INTO ITSELF?”
Show your calculations here.
moRON
Just because john thames always makes references to boys with cum or feces on their mouths, sucking cocks and leaking assholes doesn’t make him gay.
I will hunt you down and nail your kosher ass to a crucifix with your amputated balls stuffed between your circumsized lips. You deserve it, and so do millions of others of your satanic tribe. FUCK YOU!
hANOVER fIST pwned your ass repeatedly. You don’t know the first thing about the suppression of oiuja board to deprive us from communicating with our own TRUE Gods! To put this UTTERLY ILLOGICAL FRAUD in perspective The Bible is intense blasphemy against our true God Satan which means enemy in HEBREW!
Have anyone reads Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9?
Didn’t thinks so! Well know that your plot will FAIL!!!!!!!!
john thames,
“all it means, freely translated, is: FUCK YOU”
Don’t get so upset, there’s nothing wrong with being gay. No one really cares.
Fung:
You ARE more retarded than GWB!
“Alright Mr. Physics. What would supply the thrust to push the building “OVER” instead of “INTO ITSELF?”
You’re kidding, right?
Cut the strap off of your hockey helmet, because your carotid artery must be a tad too tender - any pressure, and there goes oxygen to your brain.
The South Tower was hit in the corner - are we in agreement, tool? That means that the solid, 47-story core was not affected as much as the North Tower, which took a more direct hit.
The South Tower failed in half the time, with more of the jet fuel expended in a huge fireball.
Besides being a fucking drooling mendicant, you’re also a bore. Let one of your idiot pals here tell you.
Fung,
“Show your calculations here.”
Hanover kicked your ass! Only a bore wouldn’t get that the ENTIRE STRUCTURE should have toppled OVER, not INTO ITSELF.
Furthermore, all of this is subliminal in that the same people who have ruled ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods did 911.
Your hockey helmet is strapped too tight you mendicant.
john
“As to my penis fixation”
Heheh at least you admit it. I am content now.
“The South Tower was hit in the corner - are we in agreement, tool? That means that the solid, 47-story core was not affected as much as the North Tower, which took a more direct hit.”
It’s funny to see that a guy who complained in all capital letters about the violation of the laws of physics thinks that this is evidence that the building should have tipped over like a felled tree.
What a dumb bunch of bastards you are.
moRON,fung, sHam Sham and the Bunglickers - I hope you’re being paid to be anti-Americans.
http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2009/05/test-your-perceptions.html
hANOVER fIST
Beautiful stuff. Your points could not have been presented better. But please don’t lump me in with moRON and fung!
I’m the guy you said “By the way…nice comment” to remember?
I’m not from the fifth column that has suborned our representatives.
They have subliminally suppressed my ouija board too!
My hockey helmet is not strapped too tight.
I’m on your team!
TALMUDIC TWIST THINK HISTORY
The Israeli historian, Yehuda Bauer, has written an upside down think analysis of Nazism and Communism. Bauer begins by asserting that Nazism was a repudiation of the principles of western civilization with its atavistic reversion to primitive racism and aggressive foreign policy while Soviet Communism was a product of the Enlightenment with a forward looking, “progressive” outlook based on equality, freedom of the individual, etc. Unfortunately, Communism went bad and it did, in fact, slaughter far more than the “six million” supposedly exterminated by the National Socialism. But Communism is at least theoretically good; whereas Nazism is just well, demonic. There is much to argue with in this analysis. Nazism was actually far more consistent with the principles of western civilization than Mr. Bauer is willing to concede. For one thing, its anti-Jewish policies were consistent with the traditional practices of the Catholic Church and European monarchies. One European country after another expelled the Jews during the Middle Ages and treated Jews as antisocial parasites. In that sense, Nazi teaching was consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church. Yehuda Bauer can hardly argue that that the Catholic Church was not part of western civilization. The social welfare policies of the Nazis were also consistent with Christian teaching. After all, was not the Nazi slogan “the common good before the individual good”? Did not the Germans take care of their own just like the Church took care of the poor?
It would appear then that Nazism had something in common with previous European history. Bauer next argues that the Nazis were intellectual primitives. Yet Adolf Hitler, Nazi number one, was a very gifted architect and painter. The Jews of Vienna must have thought so too, as they were the main purchasers of his drawings and paintings during his lean years, as proved by the card index of his agent, the Jew Morgenstern. Hitler’s speeches reveal a remarkably lucid mind, not the raving lunatic of war- time propaganda. Hitler thought a lot of modern art very degenerate but so did a lot of even his critics. Der Fuehrer actually had a great appreciation for music and a very good ear. He also had the habit of building opera houses all over Germany to bring the masterworks of western music to the masses. Strange behavior indeed for a man who was outside the scope of western civilization. Mr. Bauer is offended by Nazi lebensraum. But if conquest is outside the scope of western civilization, then what was the Roman Empire doing? Or even the British Empire which conquered far more extensively than Hitler ever did? Yehuda Bauer makes the well-known claim that the Jews created western civilization through the incorporation of the Jewish Old Testament and New Testament in Christian theology. Yet he does not mention that Jews and Christians interpret the books in completely different ways. Thus, Yehuda Bauer does not claim that Christianity bases its Biblical interpretations on the Talmud. But the Jews do – and thereby “reinterpret” the meaning of the Biblical Passages the same way the Supreme Court “reinterprets” the Constitution. Bauer also fails to mention that much of western civilization descends from Greece and Rome – and surely Yehuda Bauer knows what the relations of the Jews were with Rome in the first and second centuries A.D.
Yehuda Bauer has a love affair with Marxism. That is not remarkable, as the Ostjuden like Bauer were the creators of Marxism. Nor can this idea be blamed on Nazis, as anti-Nazis like Winston Churchill and the American State Department had the same idea in the early 1920’s. There was also a remarkable similarity between Mussolini’s Italy, Roosevelt’s New Deal and National Socialism, as all three wee employing the same methods of deficit financing and public works projects and opposition to the gold standard in their economies. If, therefore, National Socialism was outside the scope of western civilization, then so were Roosevelt and Mussolini. Yehuda Bauer does not claim that the Khazars were outside the scope of western civilization. He had better not, because his favorite country where he lives is populated precisely by the descendants of these Khazars after they converted en masse to Judaism in the 8th – 9th centuries A.D. The medieval Jews in their ghettos deliberately isolated themselves from the despised Christian world because they did not want to be part of it. That was also the reason they set up their separate Jewish courts ratified by the surrounding Christian authorities.
Yehuda Bauer does not like revisionist history. Thus, he asserts that WW2 was caused exclusively by that mythical Nazi desire to conquer the world. The Treaty of Versailles, the mutilation of Central Europe by absurd peace treaties and the British desire to prevent a resurgent Germany had nothing to do with it. It was all the fault of a demon called Adolf Hitler. Joseph Stalin was, of course, perfectly innocent as his own attack plans in 1941 had nothing to do with Operation Barbarossa. Mr. Bauer also defines freedom for the individual as freedom to be taken care of by the state. Perfectly understandable, one supposes, for a Marxist who thinks that Voltaire, Diderot and D’Holbach were economic redistributionists rather than the flaming anti-Semites they were. One can almost see Yehuda Bauer hissing at the sight of Patrick Buchanan like the vampire hisses at the sign of the cross. Yehuda Bauer claims that something called “Islamo-Fascism” now threatens the world the same way that Nazism supposedly did. Maybe Mr. Bauer picked this up from the old Arab-Khazar wars of antiquity. More probably he invented it with his fellow Zionists to get the U.S. to fight Israel’s next war against Iran. Yehuda Bauer is an expert in politicized history. He twists facts to make them allies of present day objectives. As such, he is extremely entertaining. But he is hardly to be taken seriously.
willbuuuuur
“The medieval Jews in their ghettos deliberately isolated themselves from the despised Christian world because they did not want to be part of it.”
You either are trying to outdo your “revisionist” fact like “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea,” or were dreaming about a lot of ejaculating penises to have come up with so wrong a statement.
You keep fucking around with John Thames…here you go, idiots.
Auschwitz Museum Director
Reveals ‘Gas Chamber’ Hoax
By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that ‘Krema 1,’ the alleged ‘homicidal gas chamber’ shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as ‘homicidal gas chambers’ at Auschwitz.
With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred ‘facts’ of history has been destroyed. This ‘gas chamber’ is the major historical ‘fact’ on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.
It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in ‘reparations’ - not to mention the constructing of Israel’s national telephone, electrical and rail systems…all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion ‘loan’ (read ‘gift’) made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories…while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single ‘loan’ of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
Germany is paying ‘reparations’ - the the United States is making major contributions - to atone for the ‘gassings at Auschwitz’ and elsewhere. If the ‘homicidal gas chambers’ were postwar creations of the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then these ‘reparations’ were unnecessary, and were based on fraud.
The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12 years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really happened at Auschwitz.
Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the ‘irrefutable fact’ that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.
Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an official ‘re-evaluation’ of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.
Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon ‘gassing’ deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.
The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating ‘proofs’ of homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of tourists have been told that ‘Krema 1′ is in its original state, while officials knew that ‘original state’ is a ie.
The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been telling their flocks is simply not true.
No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And without ‘homicidal gas chambers’ at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning for the special treatment of the state of Israel?
hANOVER fIST - the man who is living proof that someone pissed in the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn’t looking - has done it again. Yet another fabrication from a neo-Fascist publication offered up. Yet another lie swallowed hook, line and sinker by our mentally challenged little Nazi.
‘The Spotlight’ was a precursor to the so-called ‘American Free Press’ (founded by Willis Carto), and like its successor was a conduit of the anti-Semitic propaganda so beloved of the ‘far right’. And Dr Piper (one of Poland’s most eminent historians) states frankly that ‘David Cole’ (the source for the ‘revelations’ fIST eagerly quotes) distorted the content of their interview. Not that that comes as a surprise to those of us who aren’t educationally sub-normal, seeing as it is a standard trick of Holocaust Deniers to misrepresent the evidence at hand:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
Of course, Mr fIST is stupid enough to accept any act of trickery on the part of the deniers that appeals to his pitiful excuse for a mind. That doesn’t mean that we have to.
Welchy…speaking of pissing in the gene pool…it looks like you caught the stream with your mouth, asshat.
Back to the issue at hand…don’t you know that we Gentiles are onto all of your dumb tricks? This is straight from the 17 Methods of Truth-Suppression - Impugn the source.
The FACTS state that the “gas chamber” was not in existence during the conflict…so get over it, jackass.
How’s this - nafcash.com is offering $100,000 if you can provide proof of 1% of the purported 870,000 jews buried, dug up, crushed and reburied, where ground radar shows the ground as not having been disturbed.
Go prove your stupid lies to someone who cares.
hANOVER fIST
I got your back pal. Watch those fifth columnist, quislings squirm, this is going to sting:
Welchy
You keep fucking around with John Thames and hANOVER fIST…here you go:
What you don’t get is all of this is SUBLIINAL in that the fifth column has ruled ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination strictly suppressed!
The Bible is nothing more than a fictitious history of the jews, and intense blasphemy against the Gentile Gods and our True Creator God SATIN which means enemy in HEBREW!!!
Have anyone reads Rev. 2:9? Rev. 3:9?
Welchy know that your plot will FAIL and Pearl Harbor was FALSE-FLAG ATTACK!!!!!
I got you covered hANOVER fIST….pal
Hanover
Hey devil boy, How can you can provide proof of people “being buried, dug up, crushed and reburied” in an area “where ground radar shows the ground as not having been disturbed.”
Seems like an empty offer. I would like to see if the same offer would stand in these two places:
The excavations at Belzec found here:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html
Or the recent excavations done at Sobibor here:
http://www.undersobibor.org/
CZECH COMMUNISM RESCUES ZIONISM
The state of Israel has many interesting facets to its history. These hidden facts do not always accord with the image the Zionist state presents to the world. One particularly good illustration of this truth is the largely forgotten support that Communist Czechoslovakia provided to the Zionist armies during the 1948 war of independence. The Communist authorities in Czech land were most accommodating to the representatives of the Haganah. Jewish volunteers were given crash flight training at Czech camps at Zatec and Hradec Kralove. Others were trained in guerilla warfare in Palestine by the Czech military. The general framework for Czech Communist and Zionist collaboration was stated on March 28 by Antonin Zapotocky, Deputy Prime Minister and chairman of the Revolutionary Trade Union Movement. On March 28, 1948 writing in “Davar” Zapotocky stated:
“In my name and in the name of the workers of Czechoslovakia please convey cordial regards to the workers of Palestine. Czechoslovakia’s new government will not only continue the traditional friendship for the cause of Palestine, but believes that this friendship between Czechoslovakia and Palestine will grow still more. The government will not only remain faithful to its policy toward Palestine, but, moreover, will not prevent any Czech Jew from participating in the rebuilding of the country.”
The military assistance from Czechoslovakia took many forms but one of the most vital was the provision of aircraft to the Zionist armies. The Czechs sold both German Messerschmidts and British Spitfires to the Zionists. These planes, plus trained Jewish pilots, proved invaluable to the outcome of the war. They were used, for instance, to stop an Egyptian column that had penetrated to within thirty miles of Tel Aviv. The delivery of the planes was accomplished disassembling them and then packing them in transport planes for reassembly in Israel. However, the British Spitfires with a flying range of only 600 miles were outfitted with special fuel tanks which allowed them to fly directly to Israel with, at most, one stopping point for refueling. The two main routes were the Balak and Velveta. In the former the planes were flown from Zatec to Corsica and thence to Israel. The Velveta flights for the Spitfires went from Zaztec to Podgorica in Yugoslavia for refueling and thence to Israel. (Interestingly, the Czech official in charge of the airlifts at Podgorica was Josef Corbel, a Jew who later emigrated to the U.S. and set up an international studies school in Denver, Colorado which trained the two feminist Secretaries of State Corbel’s daughter, Madeline Albright and Condoleeza Rice.) The amount of military supplies delivered by the Czechs to the Zionists was amazing. The Communists supplied 85 planes, close to 60 million rounds of ammunition, 24,500 rifles, 10,000 bayonets, 6000 machine guns and 50 tanks. The Arabs did not have a chance.
The Czechs also trained a Jewish legion for combat in Palestine. This Czech military help was consistent with the help the Communist Iron Curtain countries had already provided the Zionists in the post-war years where tens of thousands of Jews had been allowed to pour out of the Soviet bloc to bring bolshevized Zionists into Palestine to create difficulties for the British. Communism and Zionism then, entered into a staunch alliance to drive the Arabs into the desert in 1948. There is a well-known saying about judging states by what they do, not by what they say. The Soviet Communists always denounced Zionism and urged Soviet Jews to remain loyal to the Communist state which had made so many of them commissars. But when the chips were down the Communists supplied the ideological deviationist Zionists. Jewish Communism arrived in Arab Palestine wearing a Zionist face.
Wilburrrrrr
I like how you hop around from dumb, invented comments like: “medieval Jews in their ghettos deliberately isolated themselves”
to idiotic statements like:
“These hidden facts …support that Communist Czechoslovakia provided to the Zionist armies…”
is alot like your nightly prancing around Hitler’s photograph in a thong dreaming about “fellat[ing] your own dick.”
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Jews were forced into ghettos by law. The first law passed was in 16th century venice, the doges ordering jews restricted to the “getto” with bridges drawn under armed guards.
Czechoslovakian aid to Israel during the independence war is not a hidden fact, but very well known. 85% of the total of Czechoslovakian military aid to the middle east at the time went to Israel, the remaining 15% went to the arabs. Arms sales were the main source of income for Czechoslovakia after ww2.
btw it’s largely forgotten because it is unimportant as there is no Czechoslovakia anymore, and irrelevant to modern middle east politics.
also, there is no such entity as “Czech land.” Y’all learn the geography of europe from the same place you learned “transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea”?
If what you say is even true, that: “The Arabs did not have a chance.” Then the arabs shouldn’t have attacked.
‘Welchy…speaking of pissing in the gene pool…it looks like you caught the stream with your mouth, asshat.’
hANOVER fIST’s attempt at wit is pretty weak, but then I expect that he’s upset about being caught out with his transparent lie about Dr Piper’s alleged ‘revelations’. Of course, if he still believes that somehow the gas chambers at Auschwitz were built by the Soviets after WWII, he still has the hard task of explaining why there is a duplicate at Natzwiller, in Alsace - France having been liberated by the Western Allies, not the Reds (see Paul Webster, ‘Petain’s Crime’ (Macmillan 1990), pp.247-256). But then seeing as he can’t answer ‘Ron’ I don’t expect a coherent response from our mentally challenged friend.
As for the somewhat confused Mr Thames, I notice that he talks about Czechoslovak arms shipments to Israel in 1948 (Operation Balak), but fails to mention Czechoslovak arms shipments to Egypt in 1955. Nor does he mention the full scale of Soviet bloc aid to Israel’s Arab enemies - Egypt, Syria, Iraq, the PLO - from the mid-1950s to the end of the Cold War. This is either because he is not quite the ace historian he thinks that he is, and is in fact as thick as shit, or because he’s a deranged neo-Nazi liar who thinks that he can practice his deceptions on those of us who retain our mental faculties. Either of these presumptions are true.
Mr Thames also fails to mention that the Czechoslovak government were supplying arms to Haganah from June 1947, nine months before the Communist Party (KSC) seized power in Prague. Is he an ignoramus, or a liar? You decide.
HONEST ABE AND THE TRIBE
Abraham Lincoln enjoys a sainted reputation in history. Supposedly the reputation derives from his saving of the Union. However, the facts of his relationship with a certain group of people suggest a more fundamental reason for his fame. Lincoln was an intimate of Jewry throughout his political career. One of his earliest contacts in Illinois politics was his fellow legislator, Abraham Jonas. It was Jonas who first suggested to Lincoln that he run for president. Another Lincoln intimate was Abraham Kohn, the City Clerk of Chicago. Lincoln received major electoral support in the state of New York from a Jew named Kaufman. Kaufman controlled the German language press of New York, heavily pro-socialist and pro-Lincoln. Lincoln’s war bonds were sold in Europe by the German-Jewish Seligman banking family. The Seligmans were very distraught by the news of Lincoln’s assassination. But these were only the more publicly known of Lincoln’s Jewish connections. He had many others. One was a Jewish foot doctor named Zacharias who allegedly traveled on a secret peace mission to the South for the President. Others were the Chicago Jewish banker Henry Greenebaum and Adolphus S. Solomon of the book publishing firm of Philips and Solomon. Both were staunch Lincoln supporters.
It should not be surprising that Lincoln had so many Jewish supporters. The entire Republican Party had been the creation of the 1848 revolutionaries in Europe who had migrated to the United States after the collapse of their overseas efforts. A not inconsiderable number of these refugees were Jewish. A good example would be the German-Jewish Jacobi brothers who established the first Communist Club in New York in the 1850’s. Others would be the Hungarian-Jewish 1848’r August Biondi who became an advisor to General John C. Fremont of California fame and the father of future Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis who participated in the Bohemian revolution of 1848. It was the German revolutionary of 1848, Carl Schurz, who became a Republican Senator from Missouri. The Republican Party in America and European revolutionary socialism were thoroughly intertwined from the beginning. Lincoln countermanded the famous order of General Ulysses S. Grant expelling all Jewish traders from Union Army controlled territory, allegedly for trading with the Confederate enemy. Lincoln also intervened in the Union army to provide rabbis for Jewish soldiers. When Lincoln died Jewish grief for his passing was enormous. He was eulogized in synagogues throughout the land.
Abraham Lincoln and his Republican Party had crushed states rights, exactly as recommended by Karl Marx in Horace Greeley’s New York Herald Tribune. As a centraliser of federal power and a promoter of European socialism, 1848 style, it is small wonder that the tribe adored Lincoln, then and now. He was the Franklin Roosevelt of his day.
Welchy…what answer need be supplied to you waterheads?
The “gas chambers” are a FUCKING HOAX.
Does Bibi Netanyahu need to come to your house and fuck your goat…I mean your wife to get that fact through your watermelon-thick skull?
hANOVER fIST
I got your back pal. Watch the fifth columnist, quisling mendicants squirm:
Welchy
The gas chambers were a SUBLIINAL attempt by the fifth column INVENTED to rule ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination strictly suppressed!
Our True Creator God SATAN which means enemy in HEBREW declared EVIL so that they could do pearl harbor, another FALSE-FLAG ATTACK again subliminal, and suborn our representatives!!!!
Does Bibi Netanhahu have to go to your house to confiscate your Ouija board for you to WAKE UP?????
That is going to sting, aneurysm!
Hmm Wilburr,
“Abraham Lincoln enjoys a sainted reputation in history. Supposedly the reputation derives from his saving of the Union. However, the facts of his relationship with a certain group of people suggest a more fundamental reason for his fame…One was a Jewish foot doctor…”
Very few historians have ever dared to analyze the jewish podiatrists behind historical figures, but you have, and you have restored my faith in revisionist history!
You might win the Pulitzer prize for history with that.
JFK AND THE TRIBE
JFK enjoys a sainted reputation in history. Supposedly the reputation derives from his youth, progressive policies and aura of Camelot. However, the facts of his relationship with a certain group of people suggest a more fundamental reason for his fame. Kennedy was an intimate of Jewry throughout his political career. JFK received major electoral support in the state of New York from many Jews. But these were only the more publicly known of JFK’s Jewish connections. He had many others.
It should not be surprising that JFK had so many Jewish supporters. The entire Democratic Party had been supported almost unanimously by Jews from Europe who had migrated to the United States. A not inconsiderable number of these refugees were Jewish. When JFK died Jewish grief for his passing was enormous. He was eulogized in synagogues throughout the land - even today!
JFK and his Democratic Party had crushed states rights, exactly as recommended by Karl Marx in Horace Greeley’s New York Herald Tribune. As a centralizer of federal power, it is small wonder that the tribe adored JFK, then and now. He was the Franklin Roosevelt of his day.
WHO STOOD BEHIND AJ?
In the ordinary criminal murder investigation, the party who most immediately benefits from the death is the prime suspect. In the death of Abraham Lincoln, the most immediate beneficiary of the death was Andrew Johnson. AJ went from the vice-presidency to the White House. Prior to the assassination Johnson had fallen out of favor with Lincoln. The Lincoln’s were planning to drop Johnson from the reelection ticket. Had this occurred, Johnson’s hopes of ever reaching the White House would have been finished. Johnson had severe political problems of his own: his conciliatory view towards the South, his hurry to reincorporate the former CSA back into the union embroiled him in a bitter dispute with some Republicans. The Lincoln assassination solved all the problems. Johnson got a job he could never have won in an election. Most important of all, he got the power to appoint the commission which could have investigated the murder from which he most directly benefited.
Johnson as the immediate beneficiary of the Lincoln assassination cannot be doubted. But was there a force behind Johnson which also stood to benefit from Lincoln’s removal? Indeed there was. In fact, Johnson had always been the devoted servant of this power long before the assassination. This was the power of Zionism, the power that created the state of Israel.
The key question is whether there was congruence in motives. Was Johnson’s motive in assassinating Lincoln the same as the Jew’s motive in assassinating Lincoln? The answer is no but the different motives aimed at exactly the same result – Lincoln’s removal. And, as we have seen, Johnson was the Zionist’s man. Was there a major change in U.S. policy toward the Jews after AJ entered the White House? Yes there was. The U.S.-Zionist romance was in full flower.
Lincoln had fallen; AJ and the Zionists had risen. Did the Jews and their front man kill Lincoln? No one can say. One man’s speculation is another man’s absurdity. But one thing is certain – the assassination of Lincoln elevated Johnson to a position he desperately desired and which he could never have won at the ballot box. There was a motive, a possible pay off and a cover up. It is suggestive and as good a theory as any.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaeldeacon/100009318/charlie-sheens-911-rant-is-pure-ego/
One poster stands head and shoulders above the others”
Michael Deacon, you are a fool. Just another big headed, ill informed journalist out of his depth.
It’s clear from this pathetic article that not only are you earning above your talent with a job at The Telegraph, with your lackluster writing skills. But you haven’t properly looked into 9/11 at all.
Foolishly lumping in not only all 9/11 theories but doing the cliche’ turd-move of attaching a genuinely ridiculous theory (the moon fakery) to the mention of 9/11 theories to try and automatically make the very suggestion absurd. Very poor.
The theory that all three buildings were brought down by controlled demolition is in no way confused and the evidence is overwhealming. Why don’t you take your head out of your ass and go take a look at AE911Truth.org.
The official site of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. Now over 800 building professionals and scientists who all universally agree that all three WTC buildings came down by controlled demolition.
All the evidence is nicely comprised and compiled in American convinience-stylee so your minute brain should have no problem gobbling it up. But I’ll also lay out just a little bit of it here.
First - Three buildings fell.
Not only did a freak occurance happen on 9/11 but three freak occurances happened on 9/11. No high-rise building EVER (that’s right Michael… EVER) has fell from fire damage yet on 9/11 three of the most solidly comprised constructs in New York collapsed head to toe.
Note the sub-heading, three buildings. Why are most people under the impression that only the Towers fell? Because after day one major news outlets worldwide were told not to show footage of WTC 7 collapsing for unknown reasons.
But a very probable reason is because it was not hit by a plane and every journalist with half a brain was not only commenting on how the collapse looked very very similar to a controlled demolition, almost identical some said but that it wasn’t hit by a plane. They were questioning it. The words explosion and demolition were used… A lot.
Seems very clear it was too obvious a demolition, nobody seriously thought that building came down from such absolutely minimal fire damage from excess debri off the Towers which were about an American football yard away from WTC 7.
Second - Molten iron.
Okay, office fires don’t half have the temperature required to melt steel which is exactly what happened on 9/11. In fact, the steel wasn’t just melted it was turned into Molten Iron.
Molten Iron is the by-product of high-temperature explosions, normally only found in? That’s right Mike, controlled demoltions.
There is absolutely NO WAY even with jet fuel, that the fire alone created molten iron. Pools of molten iron running through the streets reported by hundreds of eye-witnesses including fireman, policeman, by-standers and survivors. Also, lots of pictorial evidence.
What normally happens after a disaster, especially of such a gigantic scale? Every inch of anything in site is examined. Yet on 9/11 the Bush Administration IMMEDIATELY shipped off nearly every scrap of steel left in the debri. Hmm, why’s that.
Thirdly - Nano-thermite in the dust.
Nano-thermite Michael, is an extremely sophisticated, extremely violent, carefully made element than is used to literally cut through steel like a hot butter through knife.
It’s created in defense labs and used by the military. The chances of Al-Queda not only having access to this material or being able to make it in the caves of Afghanistan or get this, plant it throughout the steel constructs of all three buildings are not only unlikely… It’s actually laughable to suggest.
But isit laughable to suggest the Government could do this. Absolutely not in fact it’s pretty much the only theory that fits. The FACT is, we know nano-thermite which still hasn’t been officially accounted for WAS in those buildings.
We have the absolute 100% chemical evidence to prove this. Hundreds of independent and high-profile social engineers that have examined the dust and the steel have all found and confirmed it’s existence and we also have video evidence of hot lava molten iron (by product of thermite) running all over the place. Even video evidence of it running down the building right before it collapses.
So this. We know. What we do not know as fact is who put it there. But who had access to the buildings? The Government. Who else? Nobody.
And - One more - Symmetrical near free-fall collapses.
This Mike, defies physics.
Not only did three high-rise steel constructs collapse from minimal fire damage on 9/11. A first in history. But all three collapsed an an absolutely indentical fashion to a controlled demolition. Which is comprised of these features:
> Near free-fall speed. This happens in demolitions as they’re taking out the columns AS the building is collapsing so that the falling building meets no resistance. You don’t get EXACT free-fall speed because obviously there is still the explosions going off and slightly delayed collapsing. But near free-fall is exactly what happened on 9/11, with all three buildings.
> Mushroom clouds of smoke. This happens, obviously, because of the violent, hyper-reactive explosions going off so what you get is a huggge mushroom effect from the cumilative energy. Which is exactly what we saw.
> Outward ejection of building material. We can see from all of the video evidence, tons of steel being literally pulverized and shot feircly OUTWARD at measured speeds of up to 75mph. Normal collapses don’t produce enough energy to crush thousands of tons of steel into dust nevermind shoot it horizontally at high speeds. Explosives do though.
> Top structure failure. What you’ll typically see in a demolition is the top of the building slightly fall in on itself just before the building collapses. This is done so the building falls in on itself and doesn’t damage anything around it. And this is exactly what we see in the videos of all three collapses. Especially WTC 7, it’s very very clear indeed. I’m surprised an apparently intelligent man such as yourself doesn’t at least find it ‘odd’ that all three buildings fell neatly in on themselves from top to bottom in seconds and damaged nothing around them. Despite very random, minimal fire damage.
The symmetrical collapses are the true smoking gun though. Notice on one of the Towers, a plane hits the one side of the tower. So this is non-symmetrical damage yet seconds later, the top collapses inwards and we see a very fast SYMMETRICAL collapse. Then the building proceeds very quickly to meet the ground.
If these were normal collapses, even if part of the buildings collapse inwards, you would see resistance. These collapses saw NO resistance. They fell at near free-fall speed. The only way that can happen is if you take the columns out as the building is coming down. That’s how you get the increased speed of the collapse to make a nice neat little pile of rubble at the end of it.
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All of this is just the icing on the cake.
So lets look at what we have here. We have LOTS and LOTS of evidence which 100% supports the controlled demolition theory. Visual collapses mimmicing the very nature to a tee, increased collapse speeds, mushroom clouds of smoke, rumbling grounds pre-collapse, eye-witness and SURVIVOR testimony of explosion-like gun-banging going around the towers as it’s coming down and of course, the smoking gun - Chemical proof of nano-thermite, an explosive used by the military, found in the dust and steel of all three buildings.
I’d say that’s pretty focused, unconfused, non-nutty, factually driven, logical evidence.
And I’m assuming you believe the official account? So what evidence do we have for that… Hmm… Erm… You may have to help me here. Oh yeah, some fuzzy CCTV footage that the victim’s families had to take the FBI to court over to get hold of which vaguely shows some foreign men boarding some planes. This is apparently proof the hijackers got onboard that day. And… Some PERFECTLY in tact passports found conviniently in the aftermath rubble.
So the attacks killed 2.6k people, destroyed two jumbo-jets, brought down three gigantic, steel-constructed buildings and pulverized every thing in them… Yet left some paper / cardboard passports in perfect harmony? Okay yeah, I can see that must be convincing for you.
I think we need to re-point the camera with 9/11 and see who the real fools are. I have lots and lots of facts and proof supporting my theory, I don’t need to resort to belittling people to reinforce my few, I can shit evidence out all day. Where as you believe 19 amateur terrorist pilots with knives and boxcutters hijacked four planes and successfully hit 75% of their targets killing 2.6k American citizens with no military interference what so ever. Because they were told to stand down… Which was apparently over confusion as they just happened to be training that very day for? The event of planes crashing into high-rise buildings. Convinient indeed.
Sure, I’m the nutty, confused one. Maybe you’ll wake up and think for yourself one day instead of being spoon-fed your life by people around you and believing everything you hear on TV. Don’t insult my intelligence by stereotyping me when you haven’t even looked into the matter objectively. You fucking moron.
Stick to writing film reviews because your debate skills lack one key aspect. Logic.
Well said.
‘The “gas chambers” are a FUCKING HOAX’
No, Mr fIST. It is your fantasies about the past which are fake, and are very much the product of your disturbed mind. Your repeated and obsessive posts on this site reiterating the same discredited lies about the Holocaust and 9/11 are proof of your mental derangement.
You are not long for the non-padded world.
hANOVER fIST
“Sure, I’m the nutty, confused one.”
perish the thought!
hANOVER fIST
“Maybe you’ll wake up and think for yourself one day instead of being spoon-fed your life by people around you and believing everything you hear on TV.”‘
Yeah, be more like my allies and comrades John Thames and hANOVER fIST and believe everything you see on the internet!
Welchy…discredited by WHOM?
Your fellow sycophants, quislings and enablers of scumbaggery don’t count.
There’s a leak in your waterhead, buddy…NO GAS CHAMBERS.
Guess what? You’re long past the non-padded world - according to the underwear you’re packing…pun intended.
Really, stupid-ass…are you going to try and insist that there is any truth to the “gas chamber” hoax?
The lampshades of human skin were a hoax.
The soap bars of Jew fat were a hoax.
Should I continue breaking up your belief system?
Hey, Nutty confused one:
“In 1939, all prisoners with tattooing on them were ordered to report to the dispensary…after the tattooed prisoners had been examined, the ones with the best and most artistic specimens were kept in the dispensary, and then killed by injections, administered by Karl Beigs, a criminal prisoner. The corpses were then turned over to the pathological department, where the desired pieces of tattooed skin were detached from the bodies and treated. The finished products were turned over to SS Standartenfuehrer Koch’s wife, who had them fashioned into lampshades and other ornamental household articles…” (3420-PS)
“I, George C. Demas, Lieut., USNR., associated with the United states Chief of Counsel for the Prosecution of Axis Criminality, hereby certify that the attached exhibit, consisting of parchment, was delivered by the War Crimes Section, Judge Advocate General, U. S. Army, to me in my above capacity, in the usual course of official business, as an exhibit found in Buchenwald Camp and captured by military forces under the command of the Supreme Commander, Allied Expeditionary Forces.” (3421-PS)
This is the conclusion reached in an official U. S. Army report attached to the exhibit:
“Based on the findings in Paragraph 2, all three specimens are tattooed human skin”. (3423-PS)
Source:
Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume 1
Chapter XI - The Concentration Camps
found here:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/chap_11.asp
nutty confused one:
ps. You can also see the evidence by visiting the National Museum of Health and Medicine 6900 Georgia Avenue and Elder St., NW Washington DC
The museum holds five pieces of tattooed human skin that were obtained from the pathology laboratory at the Buchenwald concentration camp when it was liberated. The records concerning the specimens are thorough, and testing of three specimens confirms they are human.
http://buchanan.org/blog/why-propaganda-trumps-truth-2194
It is telling that our own gay, racist, intellectually challenged, misogynist, john thames, has repeatedly been linking to Patrick Buchanan so much.
Makes you wonder.
I think I should add - for Mr Thames’ benefit - that my college term began with a well-received lecture on historical research, using Holocaust Denial as a prime example of how a minority of charlatans and fascists have tried (and failed) to distort the academic study of history through their falsehoods and their ineffective efforts to nullify the body of evidence against them. The students found it most thought-provoking.
The Thames’ of this world are reduced to ranting online while I enjoy the challenges and delights of working in higher education. That just about sums things up, really.
john thames said
on 10 September 2009
WHO STOOD BEHIND LBJ?
In the ordinary criminal murder investigation, the party who most immediately benefits from the death is the prime suspect.
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Just passing by and noticed this absurd comment. Motive is just one of many circumstantial elements to a criminal investigation. Indeed, often motive’s never determined yet people are charged and convicted. An accurate statement would be that “in an ordinary criminal murder investigation [redundant?], the party whom the most evidence points to as the murderer is the prime suspect.”
Jim,
“the party whom the most evidence points to as the murderer is the prime suspect.”
You mean to say some guy in a tower with a high powered rifle he bought, which was sent to the Dallas PO Box he rented, and matched an earlier photo taken of him holding the same rifle in his backyard, and had his prints on it did it?
But where would the evil jewish overlord angle be?
Jim:
You wrote: “An accurate statement would be that “in an ordinary criminal murder investigation [redundant?], the party whom the most evidence points to as the murderer is the prime suspect.”
Sounds to me that you’re covering for financial malfeasance - you’re stating here that Bernard Madoff’s actions wouldn’t have warranted an investigation, under those terms.
Not really intellectually honest.
hANOVER fIST
Excellent post I couldn’t have stated it better myself. Watch this fifth columnist, mendicant, quislings squirm, this is going to sting:
Jim
You’re fucking around with John Thames so here you go:
You’re covering for Bernard Madoff! If it were up to you Bernard Madoff would never be investigated!!!!
LMFAO! If the police only went after “the party whom the most evidence points to” Bernard Madoff’s actions wouldn’t have warranted an investigation!
You’re covering for financial malfeasance!!!! Why are you so keen on letting Bernard Madoff go? What do you have to hide? Why are you covering for him? You in his pocket? You a Mossad patsy in on the 911 HOAX????
Well, know that your plot will FAIL!!!!!!!!
Let me guess, you don’t believe Pearl Harbor was FALSE-FLAG ATTACK either!
Someone’s got a hockey helmet strapped a little too tight.
John Thames,
Whoa dude, you got some major league support behind your Johnson and or Israel killed JFK theory, which is only “suggestive and as good a theory as any.”
The Libyan media on Thursday hailed leader Muammer Gaddafi’s epic speech at the United Nations.
“The speech, which has been ridiculed elsewhere as rambling and eccentric [of course the jew media would claim that] At one point Gaddafi asked “Why did this Israeli kill the killer of Jack Kennedy?” After noting that Jack Ruby, “an Israeli,” killed Kennedy’s assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. “The whole world should know that Kennedy wanted to investigate the nuclear reactor of the Israeli demon,” Qaddafi said.
Hey hey hey revisionist history has a new model member, with some spiffy looking robes too!
Outfoxing the 9/11 Coverup
Gordon Duff Salem-News.com
With the 9/11 Commission rescinding their own report, 9/11 debunking machine is now our “smoking gun”.
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(CINCINNATTI, Ohio) - When 9/11 Commission Chief Counsel, John Farmer, released his book, The Ground Truth, debunking his own 9/11 commission report and was supported by Chairman Thomas Kean and commission member Senator Bob Kerrey with no dissent, the cover story of 9/11 died.
This leaves us with these inescapable facts:
* We no longer have an official answer to questions about 9/11.
* Perjured testimony and falsified information given to the original commission is a criminal act and demands a Grand Jury investigation and Special Prosecutor.
* Hundreds of respected leaders of the military, law enforcement, intelligence and scientific communities question the credibility of an investigation now proven beyond a doubt a conspiracy in itself.
* The institutions of government, including all 3 branches, Executive, Judicial and Legislative have combined in an unexplainable way in their failure to respond to circumstances that legally require action.
* The press has continued a pattern of distortion of facts, suppression of news and has engaged in a systematic campaign of deception.
Years have passed and soon 10,000 Americans will have died. Taking into account the epidemic of veterans suicides, we may have already passed that figure now. The cascade of events, financial collapse, government spying, oil price fixing, massive military corruption and a dozen more issues as serious have been able to move beyond our ability of everyday citizens to influence.
In fact, the most corrupt and debased groups involved in the 9/11 coverup are being actively recruited by the press as a patriotic resistance.
The tone for the coverup is being set by Australian media mogul, Rupert Murdoch, who controls much of the press in the US and United Kingdom. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see Murdoch’s role in covering up 9/11. His networks created the “9/12ers” who are continuing the coverup and Murdoch employees like Fox funnyman, Glenn Beck, are still a major part of the effort to protect those in government who lied to the commission and may have aided the conspirators.
Murdoch’s media has held to “party line” on 9/11 and the Iraq/Afghanistan war since day one, suppressing facts any time they threatened an agenda of broad regional war or supported limiting government power to operate above the law.
Conspiracy theorists, largely proven correct thus far, refer to Murdoch’s position as leader of the Israeli ultra-right wing Zionist movement as a rationale for his continued involvement in the cover up. No proof of Israeli involvement in the planning and execution of 9/11 has been offered except for Murdoch’s relentless disinformation campaign.
Geopolitical theorists accuse Murdoch of orchestrating a plan for Israel to draw America into a wide set of conflicts in the Middle East, tying down forces for many years, while Israel extends broad economic influence into Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. The massive oil and gas reserves of the area, formerly the Jewish Kazhak empire, represent one of the greatest economic prizes in the world.
Only Iran threatens Israel’s goals in this area.
Over 40 years ago, the US and Israel engaged in a false flag operation against an American warship called the USS Liberty. The plan was for Israel to attack and sink an American ship, kill the crew and the US would blame Egypt, invade and oust Soviets from the Middle East and control the worlds oil supply.
A Russian spy ship observed and filmed the attack. The Israeli pilots went public. American naval officers reported White House involvement in the plot and it failed.
We only know that 9/11 was not what we were told it was and that it is being covered up by propagandists tied to Israeli extremists. Can we make assumptions from this? I say no but we can and should ask questions.
However, anyone asking a question or advocating an investigation is subjected to vicious personal attacks not limited to attempts to influence violence. The 400% increase in threats against the current president can easily be traced to their source in the media industry.
Was the Bush administration trying to repeat the Middle Eastern takeover tried by Lyndon Johnson long ago? Exposure of their plans to invade Iraq, made long before 9/11 need to be added into the equation.
9/11 could be a massive American intelligence failure with NORAD and the DOD melting down for lack of leadership. The lies told afterward could have been the result of embarrassment at total incompetence.
Nothing points to solid proof that 9/11 was staged by the US, with or without Israel. A long string of odd coincidences and a few violations of the laws of physics don’t prove a massive conspiracy, not in themselves. They only raise a need for impartial investigation.
One thing can’t be explained. Why are lies, known lies, still being broadcast daily, lies orchestrated from one source, meant to suppress an honest accounting of what may have been a series of mistakes?
Why go so far to cover up mistakes if they were only mistakes? With no 9/11 Commission standing behind the report that was meant to clear the Bush administration of responsibility, why is the Murdoch propaganda machine, the Wall Street Journal, Fox, Hannity, Beck and gang so busy burying something that doesn’t exist?
To read more of Gordon’s work, you can visit: veteranstoday.com
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Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and a regular contributor to Veterans Today. He specializes in political and social issues. You can see a large collection of Gordon’s published articles at this link: VeteransToday.com.
He is an outspoken advocate for veterans and his powerful words have brought about change. Gordon is a lifelong PTSD sufferer from his war experiences and he is empathetic to the plight of today’s veterans also suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. We greatly appreciate the opportunity to feature Gordon’s timely and critical reports on Salem-News.com, a news organization staffed by a number of veterans, particularly former U.S. Marines.
You can send Gordon Duff an email at this address: Gpduf@aol.com
So…just refer to this when you douchebags spout off upon “conspiracy theories”.
Han, self-acknowledged “nutty confused one:
“9/11 Commission rescinding their own report…”
You’re sounding like that gay nazi john thames.
The commission hasn’t rescinded their own report. And thanks to Farmer we have more information regarding the conclusion:
“The nation’s top-down command structure was abysmally ill-prepared to respond to the surprise attacks of September 11, 2001.”
The government’s “abysmally ill-preparation” was especially neglectful in light of the government’s “growing awareness of and reaction to the al Qaeda terrorist threat.”
ps Farmer was not “Chief Counsel” he was senior counsel.
Ha No Ver
“Conspiracy theorists, largely proven correct thus far, refer to Murdoch’s position as leader of the Israeli ultra-right wing Zionist movement…”
“So…just refer to this when you douchebags spout off upon “conspiracy theories”
I’ll have to remember to refer to that…thank for the tip!
DoucheBags - complain to Gordon Duff at this address: Gpduf@aol.com - I don’t need to hear your whining.
And don’t think that you can get away with calling JT a gay Nazi, dumkopf.
He’s not going to get away with it? Why not? Are you going to hang him up by his entrails like you threatened to do to me?
Or maybe you’d like to nail him on a cross while you’re playing with his balls like your hero John?
Oh oh. I know. You’re going to dress up like an angry dwarfish jester, you’re going to dress him up like an orangutan, and then you’re going to light him on fire.
That’ll teach that douche bag douchbag for having the nerve to call penile-fixated jew-hating revisionists gay! Damn him straight to the one true god and savior satan for saying such things. They should take away his Ouija board immediately and give it to someone who’s hockey helmet isn’t the the consistency of foot thick drywall.
Ronnie is still trying to be a satirist and failing miserably. Joseph Welch still thinks he is a historian.
Mr. welch now wishes to make an issue of when Czechoslovakia became communist. In case Mr. Welch has not noticed, all the Iron Curtain countries but particularly Poland and Rumania, were transferring huge numbers of Bolshevik Jews t o Palestine under Jacob Berman and Ana Pauker. The clear intent of the manuever was to aid the Zionists in Palestine. Thus, Mr.Welch’s objection is both inane and irrelevant (rather like all his arguments, actually). Mr. Welch also ignores that the Jewish commissars were being removed post-1950 by Joseph Stalin; this elementary fact and its implications does not seem to occur to Mr. Welch.
What we have, once again, is the standard nonsense by an ivory tower shit-for-brain who could not get a job serving dinner to a bow-wow if he were not being subsidized by the taxpayers in an institution of higher stupidity.
I’m pretty sure that Welchy gave his college dean his anus for the degree he has. Welchy, you’re not impressing anyone here with your airs of superiority - you’re just another failed demagogue with delusions of grandeur.
FangWOW…if you’d take your mouth off of Welchy’s schmeckel, you’d realize just how much of a dullard you are.
http://antisupremacy.blogspot.com/2009/09/by-way-of-deception-thou-shalt-do-war.html - you nitwits read this, and let’s hear some criticism of what’s detailed therein.
“you’d realize just how much of a dullard you are.”
Considering the fact that my post was filled with nothing but things that you have posted, I’d suggest you start saying things that are less dull witted.
Fung - stop wasting everyone’s time with your lack-wit responses, and tell us what you think of the posting.
Once your done, you can slip that Vienna Sausage back in your mouth.
I’d rather spend my time showing people what I think of you.
Or are you not going to let me get away with that?
Nutty confused one:
“tell us what you think of the posting.” This posting:
“On September 11th 2001, Systems Planning Corp., launched two passenger planes into the World Trade Centre in New York…strange.”
I think the posting is as bad as your dumb, incoherent ramblings.
I’m in good company, then…
same company. good company…i’m not so sure.
i think when you graduate it’s a good idea that you stay around sites like that a lot, and don’t ever apply to any of those “institution of higher stupidity” the gay nazi always complains about.
that way you’ll always surround yourself with peer approval, and won’t have to constantly worry that people really think you’re dumb.
hANOVER fIST, regarding your link (http://antisupremacy.blogspot.com/2009/09/by-way-of-deception-thou-shalt-do-war.html), please provide *your* explanations of these extracted statements:
“…while another allegedly hit an ‘undefended’ Pentagon …” - specifically, elaborate on the author’s use of the word “undefended”, especially as to why the author chose to put that word in quotes. When you link to an article by an author who knows nothing about the Pentagon, it shows that you also know nothing about the Pentagon.
“…before we knew who was responsible or the pyroclastic dust had settled at Ground Zero…” - please define “pyroclastic”, specifically how that word relates to the collapses of the WTC towers. Well, that’s an instant fail, as the term has nothing to do with a collapsing building, but I’m curious where you’ll go with it. Again, linking to an article by someone who doesn’t know the first thing about volcanoes also shows you know nothing about volcanoes.
Oh, and I’m curious how Systems Planning Corp., a defense contractor dealing mainly with software, is guilty of “launching two passenger planes into the World Trade Center”. Huh. Any proof to back this ridiculous claim? Yet again, linking to an article by an attention whore shows you are merely an attention whore.
Geekengineer,
What a dumb bunch of bastards you are!
Pyroclastic dust flowed from the undefended Pentagon because our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew, caused a VOLCANO by orders of the JEWS who strictly suppress our ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination!!!!
The JEWS played this right out of their Pearl Harbor FALSE-FLAG ATTACK playbook!
Geekengineer your hockey helmet is the size of a Systems Planning Corp passenger plane launch!
Geekenginner, you murmured: “When you link to an article by an author who knows nothing about the Pentagon, it shows that you also know nothing about the Pentagon.”
Where’ve you been, sweetie? Think you’re back for an easy beating, eh?
Here’s the deal - the Pentagon WASN’T DEFENDED…so what are you up in arms about?
Oh…and YOU’RE an expert on volcanoes, asshat? Go suck a donkey’s balls.
Any proof that you aren’t a stupid sycophant? You didn’t have any problem with The Monkey King (GWB) and Skeletor (Cheney) not testifying under oath to the 9/11 Commission/Whitewash?
Fucking EAT ME.
First of all sHAM wOW… in one post you claim the One True God is “SATIN”, yet in another post you claim the One True God is “SATAN”.
Either your deity is a billowy soft fabric, or the Lord of the Underworld. Come on, man, which is it?
As for hAND jOB, you just have to answer the questions. An “easy beating”? That’s pretty funny. Last time I checked, you have a sh!tty blog where you rant and rave against Jews. I’m not sure if I should continue mocking you, or simply pity you. Mocking seems to work just fine… but I’ll restrain myself.
The author used quotes to make it seem the Pentagon actually *is* defended, presumably against just the sort of attack that it was struck with. Pray tell, exactly HOW is the Pentagon defended? Please let us know how the Pentagon is equipped to deal with errant airliners.
Are there surface-to-air missile batteries ringing the Pentagon, which is actually a very large office building (not a fortress, like so many troofers think)? Are there AAA guns trained on the skies around the Pentagon? Are there F-16s and/or F-15s on constant ACP?
Did I ever call myself an expert on volcanoes? No. Do you know the definition of “pyroclastic”? Look it up.
Your childish schoolyard insults have deeply hurt my sensitive soul, and I am profoundly affected in a negative fashion. I am so sad now. Actually, I yawned when I read your post - and not because I’m a little tired.
Geekengineer
I got your back hANOVER. Watch that fifth columnist, quisling mendicant squirm:
Hanover kicked your ass!
You think you’re some great Volcano Expert but you’re too stupid to figure out I meant satin the devil, our True Creator God Satin, which means “enemy” in Hebrew. We prove all of this on this website, and NOT satan the fabric! Go suck a donkey’s balls.
I’m sick of your constantly defending The Monkey King and Skeletor for not testifying under oath to the 9/11 HOAX!
Let me guess, you don’t believe Pearl Harbor was a FALSE FLAG ATTACK and the nazarene is not a stolen CONCEPT, from some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin.
Oh, I’ll bet that’ll sting.
One poster stands head and shoulders above the others
I agree. That post was head and shoulders above the usual level of contradictions, and babbling idiocy.
Michael Deacon, you are a fool. Just another big headed, ill informed journalist out of his depth.
It’s clear from this pathetic article that not only are you earning above your talent with a job at The Telegraph, with your lackluster writing skills. But you haven’t properly looked into 9/11 at all.
Foolishly lumping in not only all 9/11 theories but doing the cliche’ turd-move of attaching a genuinely ridiculous theory (the moon fakery) to the mention of 9/11 theories to try and automatically make the very suggestion absurd. Very poor.
I don’t think Mr. run on sentence fragment is in any position to judge whether someone else’s writing style is lackluster. Though, I will say I find it quite common for Truthers to attempt to slime others with absurd accusations that generally apply to truthers as well. Perhaps instead of moon fakery he should have lumped in holocaust denial, JFK assassination, and Pearl Harbor conspiracies as examples of genuinely ridiculous theories that Truthers tend to hold.
The theory that all three buildings were brought down by controlled demolition is in no way confused and the evidence is overwhealming.
Truther theories are not confused? If anything is a prime example of the confusion it would be this post. This guy can’t even go a whole post without contradicting himself repeatedly, as I will show below.
Why don’t you take your head out of your ass and go take a look at AE911Truth.org. The official site of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. Now over 800 building professionals and scientists who all universally agree that all three WTC buildings came down by controlled demolition.
No, they don’t all universally agree. One group thinks that top secret alien space lasers were used, another thinks it was remote controlled planes. Another group thinks that it was missiles, and yet another thinks that thermite was used. One group thinks there were no planes. One group thinks the planes were flown by agents of the government. One group thinks that Al-Qaeda terrorists were trained by the CIA. Another group thinks the terrorists are alive. One group thinks Al-Qaeda was set up. Yet another group thinks there’s no such thing as Al-Qaeda. There is no unified conspiracy theory of controlled demolition.
First - Three buildings fell.
Not only did a freak occurance happen on 9/11 but three freak occurances happened on 9/11. No high-rise building EVER (that’s right Michael… EVER) has fell from fire damage yet on 9/11 three of the most solidly comprised constructs in New York collapsed head to toe.
The first claim here is fallacy on multiple levels. Just because a building as never fallen by fire damage, that does not mean that no building could ever fall by fire damage. On top of that, the WTC buildings also had major structural damage from the impact of aircraft and debris. Thus, the buildings did not fall from fire damage alone. Also, the WTC towers were hardly “the most solidly comprised constructs in New York”. In fact, it was quite the opposite. The towers drew their lateral and compressive strength not from being solid, but from their design. The entire design plan of the WTC towers was centered around a vast open floor space. You’d be hard pressed to find another less solid building in America. The empire state building as an example has more than twice the area at the base, is only a couple of hundred feet shorter, and has half the floor space. Read that again. The Empire state has half the floor space in a building twice as wide at the bottom. It’s columns are closely spaced teamed I-beams that were encased in 8 inches of fire brick. Now that’s a solid building. In contrast the WTC used box columns at the core and perimeter, had a thin layer of spray on fireproofing, and had no columns in floor area at all.
Note the sub-heading, three buildings. Why are most people under the impression that only the Towers fell? Because after day one major news outlets worldwide were told not to show footage of WTC 7 collapsing for unknown reasons.
I love these little tidbits of undocumented, unproven, and unreliable blather. We are just supposed to believe that major news outlets worldwide were told to cover something up, and they just complied without question? That claim is going to require some pretty substantial evidence. It takes a special brand of paranoid delusional to believe that an entity has control of the entire world media. It’s especially comical when that same paranoid delusional offers up nothing but misrepresented documentation from these same outlets as evidence of their theory. How did they get their Truther hands on videos of collapse, and reporter commentary if the Media was suppressing videos and commentary? The mind boggles.
But a very probable reason is because it was not hit by a plane and every journalist with half a brain was not only commenting on how the collapse looked very very similar to a controlled demolition, almost identical some said but that it wasn’t hit by a plane. They were questioning it. The words explosion and demolition were used… A lot.
Maybe Truthers should pay more attention to the journalists that have a whole brain. These half brained journalists that Truthers rely on just say the first thing that comes to mind instead of reporting the facts as they know them. Some reporter speaking off the cuff about what something looks like does not translate to evidence that what something looked like is what it was. You could head down to ‘frisco and see a lot of people that look like women. I don’t even want to try to compute the odds that they really are women.
Seems very clear it was too obvious a demolition, nobody seriously thought that building came down from such absolutely minimal fire damage from excess debri off the Towers which were about an American football yard away from WTC 7.
This statement is provably false. Many people seriously think that the buildings came down as a result of structural and fire damage. I am one of them. In fact, far more people believe that the buildings failed as a result of fire and structural damage then believe some other narrative. This is because the Truther’s don’t have an official narrative. They have hearsay, speculation, innuendo, misrepresentation, falsehoods, and outright lies. As a result you have small groups of people that believe small bits and pieces of the above. I bet that if you polled each of those 800 people referenced above about their theory (if they still have one) you’d end up with 800 different theories. Each of them would in some way conflict with the other. (and reality)
Second - Molten iron.
Okay, office fires don’t half have the temperature required to melt steel which is exactly what happened on 9/11. In fact, the steel wasn’t just melted it was turned into Molten Iron.
Despite the usual Truther claims that no steel was analyzed, researchers have reported that steel that “melted” in the rubble did so as a result of the eutectic compounds that formed within the steel. These compounds formed due to the heat present within the rubble pile, and exposure to elements that were expected to be found within the rubble pile. Any other reports of liquid metals have not been confirmed to be steel. The rubble pile itself was hot enough to support pools of slag comprised of many different types of metals.
Molten Iron is the by-product of high-temperature explosions, normally only found in? That’s right Mike, controlled demoltions.
This is incorrect. The explosives used in controlled demolitions do not melt significant amounts of steel. Nor do they create any molten iron. In a controlled demolition the structure of the building is typically weakened prior to demolition. Columns are pre cut, and some walls are removed completely. After months of preparation, shaped charges are then detonated which shatters the steel it cuts with a high pressure wave of energy. The products of a PETN, TNT or Semtex reaction (the explosives typically used in demolition) do not include iron, steel, or any molten metal.
There is absolutely NO WAY even with jet fuel, that the fire alone created molten iron. Pools of molten iron running through the streets reported by hundreds of eye-witnesses including fireman, policeman, by-standers and survivors. Also, lots of pictorial evidence.
This is a straw man. The majority of people who claim that pools of molten iron ran through the streets (how does a pool of something run?) are Truthers. Pools of molten metals on the other hand are to be expected.
What normally happens after a disaster, especially of such a gigantic scale? Every inch of anything in site is examined. Yet on 9/11 the Bush Administration IMMEDIATELY shipped off nearly every scrap of steel left in the debri. Hmm, why’s that.
Rescue operations went on for weeks prior to clean up. That’s not immediately. Next, steel was moved to a holding area where it was examined. This was done because there wasn’t enough space to examine the steel on site. I spoke above about one such study which discovered eutectic compounds in the steel. Strain-Stess tests, and other failure mode tests were also conducted on the steel. These tests can be examined in the NIST report.
Thirdly - Nano-thermite in the dust.
Nano-thermite Michael, is an extremely sophisticated, extremely violent, carefully made element than is used to literally cut through steel like a hot butter through knife.
This statement is great! Nano thermite is not an element. Hot butter does not cut through knives. Nano thermite is not used to cut through steel. And lastly, nano thermite was not conclusively found in the rubble. Could he have more inaccuracies in a single phrase? I doubt it.
It’s created in defense labs and used by the military. The chances of Al-Qaeda not only having access to this material or being able to make it in the caves of Afghanistan or get this, plant it throughout the steel constructs of all three buildings are not only unlikely… It’s actually laughable to suggest.
But isit laughable to suggest the Government could do this. Absolutely not in fact it’s pretty much the only theory that fits. The FACT is, we know nano-thermite which still hasn’t been officially accounted for WAS in those buildings.
We have the absolute 100% chemical evidence to prove this. Hundreds of independent and high-profile social engineers that have examined the dust and the steel have all found and confirmed it’s existence and we also have video evidence of hot lava molten iron (by product of thermite) running all over the place. Even video evidence of it running down the building right before it collapses.
Truthers do not have chemical evidence that proves the existence of nano thermite. What Truthers talk about is a study of some random samples of dust that contain iron oxide and aluminum. I could go in my backyard and find dust that fits that description. I could also find such a substance on in the paint on the lolly columns in my basement. Does that mean the government is conducting top secret false flag operations in my backyard? No. It doesn’t. Truthers also don’t have evidence of molten iron. What they have is a video of some glowing hot material running out of the building. This material could be a slag of a whole number of metals.
So this. We know. What we do not know as fact is who put it there. But who had access to the buildings? The Government. Who else? Nobody.
Nobody is right. Nobody put nano thermite in the buildings. That’s the first sensible thing he’s said. Now here we start to get into contradiction territory. And boy does it run thick.
And - One more - Symmetrical near free-fall collapses.
This Mike, defies physics.
Uh, no. Our understanding of Physics is not violated by a symmetrical “near free fall” collapse of a 120 story building.
Not only did three high-rise steel constructs collapse from minimal fire damage on 9/11. A first in history. But all three collapsed an an absolutely identical fashion to a controlled demolition. Which is comprised of these features:
The collapses were not identical to a controlled demolition. Even the descriptions below are not identical to a controlled demolition.
Near free-fall speed. This happens in demolitions as they’re taking out the columns AS the building is collapsing so that the falling building meets no resistance. You don’t get EXACT free-fall speed because obviously there is still the explosions going off and slightly delayed collapsing. But near free-fall is exactly what happened on 9/11, with all three buildings.
“Near free fall speed” of the roof line is not a feature of all controlled demolitions. The author of this post later contradicts this theory by claiming that the top of the building falls in on itself first slightly before the building begins to fall. The author also fails to define what he means by “near free fall.” How can something be exactly near something else?
Mushroom clouds of smoke. This happens, obviously, because of the violent, hyper-reactive explosions going off so what you get is a huggge mushroom effect from the cumilative energy. Which is exactly what we saw.
Hyper reactive cumulative energy? What the hell is this guy talking about? It’s like someone gave him a science text book and he scanned through to find the most impressive terms. The dust pattern was created by volumes of air rushing out of the non solid building, and in to replace volume of falling building. While the dust pattern may be similar to what you might see in a controlled demolition it has little to do with the energy of explosives, and much to do with air pressure and gravity.
Outward ejection of building material. We can see from all of the video evidence, tons of steel being literally pulverized and shot feircly OUTWARD at measured speeds of up to 75mph. Normal collapses don’t produce enough energy to crush thousands of tons of steel into dust nevermind shoot it horizontally at high speeds. Explosives do though.
But I thought the buildings fell straight down with little damage to surrounding structures? Now tons of steel shot outward at 75 miles an hour? How can this be? Oh, and Mr. Violation of the Laws of Physics should know that collapses don’t produce energy. The building had the potential all along. That energy was just converted into kinetic energy and heat. And let me tell you, there’s a lot of potential in a 120 story building that weighs 300k tons.
And this leads me to discuss the fallacy of the asymmetrical collapse. A building, any building subjected only to the force of gravity, wants to do one thing and that is fall straight down. The force of gravity pulls the building in the direction of Earth. Gravity does not provide lateral thrust. One of the most complicated aspects of controlled demolition is getting a building to tip at all, let alone tip it in the direction you want it to move.
Top structure failure. What you’ll typically see in a demolition is the top of the building slightly fall in on itself just before the building collapses. This is done so the building falls in on itself and doesn’t damage anything around it. And this is exactly what we see in the videos of all three collapses. Especially WTC 7, it’s very very clear indeed. I’m surprised an apparently intelligent man such as yourself doesn’t at least find it ‘odd’ that all three buildings fell neatly in on themselves from top to bottom in seconds and damaged nothing around them. Despite very random, minimal fire damage.
Again, if parts of the building fall first, you can’t claim free fall speed, and if parts of the building are flying outwards at 75 miles an hour you can’t claim it fell in on itself. It’s clear that he can’t get through his own conspiracy theory without contradiction. How are we expected to believe that there’s a unified theory of conspiracy when he can’t even get his own story straight?
The Empire state has half the floor space in a building twice as wide at the bottom
I wanted to further mention that the Empire state has half the floor space of a single tower. It has 1/4 of the floor space of both towers combined. So again, Empire state: Solid. WTC: Open.
ok ok already we give up!
What Happened On 9-11?
What does the war in Afghanistan and Iraq have to do with 911? It is supposed to be a war on terrorism.
Would you regard someone who had killed your family as a benevolent liberator? Wouldn’t you rather despise them? This
would be fertile ground for the growth of terrorism. When you indiscriminately bomb cities, killing and maiming tens of
thousands of people who had nothing to do with 911, the survivors will hate you. When you round up people in a dragnet and
ship them off to torture them, what you get is people who will say anything you want to hear to get you to stop hurting them,
and they and their families will hate you. A logically thinking person knows this. The only way the supposed war on terror
can work is to kill everyone, and then there will be no one left to hate you.
The Bush administration was not so clueless that they didn’t know this. It is as if the war was designed to create more
enemies and more terrorism. Calling it a war on terror is their way of getting us to support the looting of foreign countries.
Money is power. Jesus said, “the love of money is the root of all evil.” Evil is not a fruit of the Spirit. These people are all
heavily invested in the defense industry and the oil industry. They give their own companies no-bid defense contracts. They
have stolen the resources of two countries and have their sights on Iran. If they don’t have conflicts of interest, no one ever
has. Marvin Bush, George W.’s younger brother, was director of Securacom/Stratesec (likely a CIA front), a company that
ran security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. That is an unbelievable
coincidence. Ask yourself who had the motive and the opportunity and what is the root of all evil.
911 was designed to boost the agenda of the new world order (the beast of Revelation). If you want to know who is
responsible for 911, follow the money trail.
We all believe in a 9-11 conspiracy theory. I am one of those people who believe the Bush government perpetrated 9-11. I
believed this from day one. Their motive was a pretext for a preplanned invasion of the Middle East and subsequent
American imperialism around the world. In other words, they needed an excuse to invade, so they created one and blamed it
on the people they planned to invade.
Another motive was the implementation of a police state which they euphemistically call Homeland Security so we will feel
warm and fuzzy about it, including U.S.A. Patriot Act I and II, The Intelligence Reform Act and The Military Commissions
Act all designed to destroy the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and our freedom. Destroy our freedom is the very thing the
President told us the “terrorists” were trying to do. It appears they are succeeding. So who had more to gain from the attacks
of 911, Al-Qaeda or the new world order Neocons?
They told us 9-11 happened because we were unprepared. They said we never considered the possibility of terrorists
hijacking jetliners and using them as weapons. This excuse was a lie. It came out later that NORAD, the Pentagon, the CIA,
and various other federal agencies, during the two years prior to 9-11, were running drills precisely about hijackers flying
planes into buildings, implicating the Clinton administration as well. On the very morning of September 11, 2001 they were
running drills of over twenty scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into buildings. One scenario was the World Trade Center
and another the Pentagon. That is another incredible coincidence.
NORAD, the North American Air Defense Command, has been protecting America from such possibilities as 9-11 for over
fifty years. Why did it fail on that day? The very drills that were supposed to train them to protect us were what prevented
them from being able to protect us. The drills were a diversion. For two years, NORAD was mentally conditioned and on 9-
11, they saw everything that was happening as part of the drills. Due to confusion from all of the false blips on the radar, they
were unable to distinguish the drills from real life. Someone was pulling those strings, and it was not some crazy bearded
Arab living in a cave in Afghanistan.
In 1999, pro golfer Payne Stewart and five companions left Orlando, Florida on a Lear jet bound for Dallas, Texas. Four
hours later, it crashed in a field in South Dakota. Within minutes of take off, the Lear jet began to veer off course and air
traffic controllers were unable to contact the pilot. NORAD was immediately contacted (standard procedure) and F-16s were
scrambled. Within minutes of the Lear jets take off, F-16s had caught up with it. During the year prior to 9-11, NORAD had
scrambled 67 times for various air traffic infractions. What does this have to do with 9-11?
Why were there no planes scrambled on 9-11 until after the third plane hit the Pentagon? The first plane that hit the World
Trade Center had been off course for well over an hour before the last plane hit the Pentagon. Where was our air defense? We
all should have asked these questions instead of blindly accepting whatever they tell us.
“The first thing that went through my mind was, Is this part of the exercise? Is this some kind of screw
up?” Major Larry Arnold, NORAD commander
As the drills were a diversion, I also believe the airplanes were a diversion. The planes did not take down the Twin Towers.
The planes were for shock value, to take your mind off the fact that there were demolition charges already planted in the
buildings. The Twin Towers did not collapse as is hypnotically repeated. The buildings were professionally imploded. The
twin towers exploded, pulverized, disintegrated into dust floor by floor from the top down and came down in ten seconds or
less for each building. That is eleven floors per second. Can you clap your hands eleven times in one second?
World Trade Center Seven, a 47-story building a block away from WTCs 1 and 2, was never hit by a plane yet it inexplicably
collapsed at 5:20 on the afternoon of the same day, falling in seven seconds straight down into its own footprint exactly like a
controlled demolition. Ask yourself why the BBC jumped the gun and reported that building 7 had collapsed twenty minutes
before it actually did, while the building was still visible in the background behind the reporter.
I also do not believe the Arabs on those planes were hijackers. I believe they were patsies, working with the government as
participants in the drills. It has been proven that many of the suspects had been trained in U.S. military bases. Osama Bin
Laden himself worked with the CIA since the 1970s. The Arabs on those planes believed it was simply another day of drills
just as they had done for two years. They did not know they would die that day. The people on the planes were either killed
or incapacitated by gas and the planes were hijacked by remote control. Ask yourself how they could come up with names
and photos of the nineteen alleged hijackers within hours of the attack.
And what about flight 93 which came down in Pennsylvania? The likely target would have been World Trade Center 7.
Witnesses on the ground in Pennsylvania will tell you it exploded in the sky and the debris was scattered over an eight mile
area. That is why they had no good excuse for building 7 coming down. Their excuse was shot down. Larry Silverstein, the
lease holder of the World Trade Center complex, lied and said that the fire department commander and he “made that
decision to pull.” Many people believe he was using a demolition term for bringing down the building. What do you think?
“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they
were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest
thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
Larry Silverstein, from a PBS documentary
I believe that fabrication was a botched attempt to explain the unexplainable demolition of building seven. The fire
department had nothing to do with the collapse. What firefighter in their right mind would go into a burning building to set
up demolition charges? Do firefighters even know anything about demolition? How long would it take to set it up for
demolition? They only had a few hours in the middle of that chaotic day to accomplish such a feat. That is why Silverstein
later came out to “clarify” his statement by saying he meant pull fire fighters from the building. They have yet to come up
with a believable explanation for the collapse of World Trade Center Seven, so they try to ignore it, hoping you will go away.
Common sense and logic are the only resources you need to decide that 911 was an inside job. All you need to know is that
three skyscrapers in NYC came down at the acceleration of gravity, defying the laws of physics and conservation of
momentum. One of them was not even hit. It is impossible for floor after floor to crash through the one below it without
slowing the speed of the collapse. According to physics, the collapses should have taken minutes not seconds. That could
only happen if there was a force working ahead of the collapse to cut the mass out of the way. You don’t need an expert to
help you figure that out. The logical conclusion is explosives and an inside job. There are too many coincidences to
accommodate the laws of probability and too many unanswered questions. We all believe in a 9-11 conspiracy theory. The
question is, which one do you believe, the one featuring Osama Been Forgotten and plastic knives or one substantiated by
facts?
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Main Entry: py·ro·clas·tic
Pronunciation: \-?klas-tik\
Function: adjective
Date: 1887
: formed by or involving fragmentation as a result of volcanic or igneous action.
See - it’s easy if you try! I don’t utilize “pyroclastic” in every-day conversation; you may use this term daily, as I surmise you may also use “snowballing” and “teabagging” in your daily mutterings.
Fung…WTC: Open…like your mouth for Welchy’s choda.
hANOVER fIST
“Jesus said, “the love of money is the root of all evil.” Ug no he didn’t Paul said it in a letter to Timothy.
“911 was designed to boost the agenda of the new world order (the beast of Revelation).” Again with the Bible? You’re letting me down, I thought you weren’t a religious freak!!!! What about out true creator god SATIN? What about our ouija boards????
“I believe they were patsies, working with the government as
participants in the drills.” I thought you said the joooooos done it!
What a let down. hANOVER fIST, of all people, a religious wackjob. I guess you’ve become just another mossad patsy in this massive HOAX!!!!!!
For someone who claims to be an original thinker you should do copy and paste a lot of other people’s opinions so that you can pass them off as your own.
Or are you a purple haired chick with a myspace page?
A chick named Shamelesslyred with a blog?
Or maybe your a chick named Lonnie with a God blog called the good seed?
Lastly, I know how happy it makes you to picture me as a gay person. I’m not sure why, but you’ve really driven the point home.
I think you can all tell which posts are my own, and which documents are cut-and-pasted.
I’ll check out those two blogs - thanks for the heads-up, cock-smoker.
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/orwell.htm
Please note the Orwell coment at bottom of link regarding the “large number of Jews in all communist parties”.
Hanover does an excellent job of proving that 09/11 was an inside job - not that the point requires any demonstration.
As for Ronnie, Fangfuck, Anus Brain Welch and all the rest - it is still the same silly bullshit. Enjoy the Orwell comments boys - one more cultural icon whose real views on certain touchy subjects have been covered up.
“I think you can all tell which posts are my own, and which documents are cut-and-pasted.”
Yeah. Yours are the ones that don ‘t go two sentences without a reference to homosexual activity. The ones that actually try to defend a position, those all belong to someone else.
You mean this quote, John?
“The USSR must in practice be somewhat anti-semitic, as it is opposed both to Zionism within its own borders and on the other hand to the liberalism and internationalism of the non-Zionist Jews”
Orwell’s point (that you missing due to your jaded perspective) is to explain that detractors of communism don’t do their cause a service by attacking the Russian stance on the Jewish religion. This is just more innuendo from you that does not support your zany notion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy.
Fangfuck:
I don’t need you to to tell me how to intrepret what I read, anymore than I need media talking heads to tell me what to think. Orwell’s comment that large numbers of Jews are involved in Communism everywhere speaks for itself and is abundantly corroborated by all historical sources. The Soviet Union was always anti-Zionist but never anti-Semitic. This point has already been addressed despite all your efforts to confuse the issue.
Orwell was, in fact, deeply anti-Semitic as well as anti-Soviet. He follows in a long line of fellow literary anti-Semites such as George Bernard Shaw, T.S. Eliott and many others, including F. Scott Fitzgerald, whose novel, “The Great Gatsby”, includes many anti-Semitic references (conveniently deleted from the Robert Redford/Mia Farrow movie of same). As usual, confronted with plain and convincing evidence that you are a bald faced liar, you deny the evidence and keep on blabbing.
You are such an inspiration, Fangfuck.
THE POLANSKI RAPE CASE
The impending extradition of Roman Polanski to the United States because of a thirty-two year old guilty plea to sex with a minor is a fascinating example of politically correct double think. Critics charge that the crime was so uniquely horrible that no forgiveness is possible, even after thirty years. It is all nonsense. There was nothing uniquely horrible about the crime. Compared to murder victims she had it easy. She is still alive. Compared to soldiers mutilated by Afghani females after a battle she had it easy. Compared to Joan of Arc burned at the stake or Aztec or Mayan captives having their living hearts cut out with stone knives she had it easy. Even compared to an unborn baby being dismembered by a pair of surgical pliers she had it easy. The “rape”, in short, was a triviality. Only the hysterical nonsense of modern jurisprudence obscures this fact.
Now for the horrors of underage sex. Anyone who consults the history books shall quickly discover that underage sex, so-called, has been the norm for thousands of years. Prior to the year 1850, age of consent and age of marriage laws varied between 10-14 years in all countries of the world. According to the Code Napoleon in the 1790’s, the age of consent was initially set at 11, later changed to 13. In Queen Victoria’s England in the 1880’s, the age of consent was 13. The famous judge Matthew Hale thought that the age of consent should be 10. In Spain today, the age of consent is 13. In the Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europe it is 15. In America pre-1850 the age of consent laws were the same. Critics of Polanski maintain that the crime must be punished, no matter how long ago it took place. But this platitude is situational specific, like so many pieties. It is rather like Nazi “war crimes”. Germans shall be punished until the end of time for fake “gas chambers”; Jewish commissars with mass starvation and gulags on their hands shall never be punished. Every day in this country women manufacture false allegations of child abuse and spousal victimization to screw over their husbands in divorce court. Women caught making false rape accusations are given a free pass by prosecutors. All this is tolerated by sexually unbiased judges who regard false accusations as a necessary price pf protecting “women and children first”. Instead of prosecuting Roman Polanski for a thirty-two year old event, it might be more appropriate to prosecute present day female liars in the interests of equal justice. That problem is both more current and more germane.
You think George Orwell was antisemitic and you call yourself a historian?
You think the guy that wrote this:
http://www.george-orwell.org/AntiSemitism_In_Britian/0.html
Is antisemitic? He calls antisemitism an irrational neurosis that will not yield to argument. Looks like he nailed you spot on.
john thames: dumber than a box of rocks, racist, a bigot, holocaust denier, a misogynist, a creationist and a defender of child molesters.
you never cease to amaze
Stupid Little Fangfuck;
Try reading the totality of what he said instead of picking and choosing only the parts you want to read.
Dumb Shit Ronnie:
Our ancestors were “molesting” minors” for centuries before the modern age by marrying and reproducing between the ages of 10-14. Try reading the documented facts, dick head.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230
Read some interesting facts, Ronnie and Fangfuck.
were they stuffing minors with quaaludes too?
“Try reading the totality of what he said”
I did so objectively, instead of through a Jew hating revisionist bias.
Orwell admits to an inherent willingness to accept prejudice that all humans share. That does not make him antisemitic. It makes him aware of an innate flaw in mankind that he describes as a disease, a neurosis, lunacy…
It’s somewhat ironic to me that you would think he was anti-Jew after reading a piece that intended to argue that idiots like you need to be studied to find out what the hell makes you think the way you do so that violence doesn’t erupt out of illogical and indefensible reasons.
The point is that something, some psychological vitamin, is lacking in modern civilisation, and as a result we are all more or less subject to this lunacy of believing that whole races or nations are mysteriously good or mysteriously evil.
Fangfuck is playing pop psychologist again.
I freely admit that Orwell made many statements on Jews and talked out of both sides of his mouth, as people so frequently do. Nevertheless, many of his comments were blatantly anti-Semitic. It is idle - as well as dishonest - to pretend otherwise. As to Fang’s simple minded conception that violence erupts from illogical and indefensible reasons the truth is that violence erupts from all kinds of reasons - many of which have very rational motives. For instance, violence has been a recurring problem in Palestine because Jews decided to set up a Jewish state there without bothering to ask the Arabs. Violence will inevitably erupt in America as the hatred of the invading mud faces for the native whites emerges into the open. One of the very best ways to create violence in society is to mingle incompatible groups. Instead of psychoanalyzing my alleged mental problems, Fang The Fuck should re-evaluate his own mistaken notions.
Ronnie Dick Head:
Stoned chicks at Woodstock under the influenceof LSD did not know they were being “raped”, either. Maybe you should enlighten them.
Fangfuck is playing pop psychologist again.
You claimed that Orwell was a antisemitic. I merely pointed out that Orwell would have thought you a lunatic. Orwell wrote an essay that shows your claim to be false. Even the passage you chose to support your case shows your claim to be false. What does that have to do with me playing psychologist?
Orwell made many statements on Jews and talked out of both sides of his mouth
I’m going to operate under the assumption that if I ask your for proof that you’re going to quote a snippet of something he wrote that you found on a Nazi site somewhere and took it to mean that Orwell would have agreed with you. After all, that’s exactly what you did here. You took a snippet of a letter Orwell wrote and inferred that it meant that he hated communism because there were a lot of communist Jews. Of course, you got the context wrong, and clearly misunderstood his point. That’s to be expected from you.
You can’t blame him for your inability to read, John. You have not shown that he talked out of both sides of his mouth. All you have shown is that your confirmation bias renders you unable to read a passage objectively.
I mean, how the hell did you get the idea that I thought that all violence stems from indefensible reasons? That’s not what I said at all. I said that Orwell recommended studying people like you so that your illogical and your indefensible reasons would not lead to violence.
Fangfuck:
You are a bullshit artist, pure and simple. You are completely incapable of analyzing evidence and are forever trying to explain away self-evident points. You have no idea what Orwell would have thought of me because Orwell never met me. If that isn’t playing pop psychologist I do not know what is. You assert that I am harboring an inbuilt tendency toward violence. Instead of worrying about what you think I am going to do, you should pay attention to the massive violence which the Jews are planning to unleash against Iran. Your brain is misplaced as always, dumb ass.
Orwell did make many clearly anti-Semitic comments during his life. Read the comments, fuck head. Orwell also:
(1) hated Soviet Communism;
(2) was well aware of the disproportionate Jewish influence in all Communist movements everywhere.
Quibbling is your past time, not mine.
Read what comments? The ones in his essay that point out what idiots the people who utter them are?
You have no idea what Orwell would have thought of me because Orwell never met me.
You are antisemitic. Orwell says that antisemitic people are lunatics. Therefore I do have an idea of what Orwell would have thought of you.
You assert that I am harboring an inbuilt tendency toward violence.
Read it one more time, John. I did not say that you harbor any violence. Though you have disclosed some rather violent fantasies, that was not the point of my statement. Try one more time to figure out what “Orwell recommended studying people like you so that your illogical and your indefensible reasons would not lead to violence.” means.
Fangfuck:
You are the master of the fine distinction. But none of that rebuts the simple points.
Orwell did make provably anti-Semitic statements; he did acknowledge that Jews were disproportionately involved in Communism. Since you cannot argue about anything substantive, you try to break down sentences into “What is the meaning of is?” You must either be a philosophy major ar a lawyer. In either case, you are equally useless.
http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-gandhi170903.htm
Learn from Gandhi, Fangfuck - in between telling me, once again, that I am “distorting” the context.
“Orwell did make provably anti-Semitic statements”
Then why can’t you show them to me? Prove your point if it’s so provable…
It’s funny to me that every time you’re wrong I’m suddenly guilty of splitting hairs.
to john thames “quibbling” refers to pointing out the obvious, glaringly huge errors of fact in history, geography, politics, law, science and common sense that he constantly makes.
Why is it ok for roman polanski to drug and rape a 6th grade girl? To john thames the answer is easy: “Stoned chicks at Woodstock under the influence of LSD did not know they were being “raped”, either”
See? see? Gonna quibble that? Get used to the fact that he’s dumber than a box of rocks.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ioOmI9s8wj2wb0iQMybjT5damXRA
Hey - buy a kidney fer just $160,000 - nice and juicy!
Such a deal!
So…let’s take organ trafficking - pretty bad shite, yes?
Fang,
Someone once said:
“antisemitism is an irrational thing. The Jews are accused of specific offences … which the person speaking feels strongly about, but it is obvious that these accusations merely rationalise some deep-rooted prejudice. To attempt to counter them with facts and statistics is useless, and may sometimes be worse than useless.”
-George Orwell, “Antisemitism in Britain” Contemporary Jewish Record, April 1945
http://www.prisonplanet.com/%e2%80%9cgovernment-explanations-of-911-make-no-sense.html
That Orwell quote may make sense…but what does this have to do with BAD BEHAVIOUR?
When you condone the dropping of white phosphorous on children, you are naught but a piece of shit.
it has nothing to do with bad behavior. It only has to do with raving antisemitic lunatics like yourself, and the fact that countering idiots like you with facts and statistics is useless - although fun, like so:
- The use of white phosphorous munitions by military forces around the world is not prohibited by international treaty.
- The IDF does not drop white phosphorous munitions on children, it uses white phosphorous munitions to obscure the enemy’s field of view.
- The lethality of white phosphorus is low, exposure to smoke created by burning WP from military munitions can result in irritation or damage to the eyes, lungs, and throat..
- Hamas (like hizbollah, taliban, al Qaeda, Iraqi sunni armed groups and other terrorist groups) deploys most of its armed forces in civilian areas (for the express purpose of human shields).
- The risk to civilians from cross-fire due to HAMAS using civilians, and civilian infrastructure, as shields is reduced because of the use of smoke screens neutralizes their field of view.
Who condones dropping white phosphorous on children?
Besides, everyone knows that the proper way to kill children is to strap remote controlled explosives to mentally retarded women and send them off wandering into a pet bazaar.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UHNN081&show_article=1
Hmm the mentally retarded woman bomb, I thought you’d point to Iran’s use of children who marched to their deaths after first being given a key to heaven:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLs85vVgg7A
Truly an inspiration, so much so even Palestinian state T.V. encourages their children to kill themselves:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/256452/child_soldiers_of_the_palestinian_authority/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFnbNy6MMDA
As someone may have said: “When you encourage the suicide of your children, you are naught but a piece of shit.”
“Who condones dropping white phosphorous on children?”
That piece of SHIT posting right above you, shiteyes.
Well I’m glad you outed him before he had a chance to post. Did you use your Ouija board to find out that he was going to post, or did Satan tell you himself?
hanover,
“That Orwell quote may make sense”
Then try to learn from him, maybe you won’t sound like such a dope.
moRon:
What should be the lesson? What should I “learn”?
Don’t presuppose that you are any better than John Thames or I - not while you support scumbaggery.
hanover I welcome your invitation to educate you.
The lesson from Orwell, as he stated, is that antisemitism is irrational. You should learn the accusations you and John regularly make against Jews (and other races, ethnicities and religions) - which you feel so strongly about - are merely rationalizations of deep rooted feelings such as prejudice (or bitterness, or frustration etc.).
In the case of John, it stems, in part, from his shame at being gay.
In your own case, it comes from mild retardation, which you yourself call “nutty and confused.”
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You are rabid jew hater who admits to being “nutty and confused.”
John is a hater of all things that are (in his mind) non-white.
I am not a bigot, prejudiced against jews, or rant about the evils of other races, religions or ethnic backgrounds. Because of that, I am different from you and John.
Am I better? Depends on your point of view.
I don’t know what you define as “scumbaggery” besides all people, ideas and things jewish.
Maybe you could learn:
The proper use of capitalization.
The 5 rules for effective writing.
The 11 rules for making a nice cup of tea.
Orwell’s intent with the character Benjamin in Animal Farm.
To name but a few.
Ha No Ver
You should also spend more time learning the proper use of pronouns, and less time on the jewish plot to suppress “ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination.”
moRon:
You and Fung could spend less time with your heads up each others’ tuchises.
“Rabid jew hater”? Who the fuck are you to make such an assumption? Your reading comprehension is that of a ESL student, you fuckhole.
I DESPISE evil actions. I don’t hate anyone for being anything. But that’s my personal philosophy.
Adam Austin would take a razor and cut your fucking balls off, like the character in Mississippi Burning, so that your damned sperm could not inseminate anyone.
Don’t fucking tell me when I can CAPITALIZE and when I can’t - who fucking died and make you King CockSmoker?
I’ll go read ANIMAL FARM…but I am aware of the basic premise: “some animals are better than others.”
And may I leave you with something: don’t walk around attempting to impose your stupid ideas about living your life by adhering like a retard to certain actions. When someone upsets your apple cart, what are you going to do? Curl up in the fetal position, because no of your stupid rules apply?
So, to reiterate: don’t call me an “antisemite, Rabid jew hater”, etc.; don’t presume to be my better; and keep your stupid-ass rules to yourselves.
Watch this: http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/evidence-of-dumbing-us-down-charlotte.html
And let me just tell you…Mike Rivero made a great comment - if all of the hoopla regarding the Holocau$t made any sense, Israel would be in GERMANY.
Moron’s moniker is well chosen. He is precisely that. Anti-Semitism is not an irrational phenomenon at all but an entirely rational response to Jewish evil. I am not homosexual at all. I dislike the bastards as much as I dislike the Jews.
Ronnnie stupid fuck is completely unaware that definitions of the crime have changed greatly over the years. That was my point in using Woodstock as a comparison point, a point that dumb shit Ronnie is completely unable to grasp. My defense of Polanski shows that I am perfectly capable of coming to an individual Jew’s defense when I think the offense is being greatly exaggerated. So much for my “bigotry”.
As to Mr. Orwell, he said a great many things about Jews, some favorable, others unfavorable. That clearly Anti-Semitic comments are included in the totality is beyond question.
http://www.therebel.org/opinion/zionism/a_whitewash_in_academic_ink_200707024585/
A jew offers fellow jews 17 points to stop antisemitism
Hello fellow jews, today we’re gonna talk about the most serious threat against our people, antisemitism, and what can we do to fight against it, we did a lot of research to try to understand it’s causes and we came up with the following plan:
#1 Don’t lie
First we’re gonna have to stop lying, I know it’s very hard for us but we’re a really great people so we could… sorry, I was lying again, it’s hard, but people really don’t like us when we lie, so let’s stop lying. We evolved trading so evolution favored the liars, it’s not out fault, let’s stop.
#2 Don’t rule
In Japan people look at their government and media and they see Japanese, in China they see Chinese, in India they see Indians, in Arab nations they see Arabs, they all see people like them, maybe the Japanese in the Japanese government and media or the Arabs in the Arabs ones have more money and power but they are still Japanese or Arab and nothing else, but in America, Canada, all of Europe including all of Russia and Australia people see their governments and media dominated by us, they really don’t like us because we rule over them, we need to stop dominating.
#3 Accept criticism
Many people feel in an intellectual prison because if they dare to disagree with us we usually attack them, we need to listen more to criticism and be less sensitive and aggressive.
#4 Stop promoting egalitarianism
We see whites as oppressors and blacks as victims, men as oppressors and women as victims, heterosexuals as oppressors and homosexuals as victims, a century ago we saw businessmen as oppressors and workers as victims, we tried to be good people by achieving equality which caused communism ruining half of Europe and tens of millions of deaths, racial equality and multiculturalism which is ruining the other half and America, Canada, Australia, South Africa, also feminism which destroyed the traditional family making everyone miserable, some say that we do this things to rule over nations, but we know it’s not true, homosexuals have no power at all but we promote them over the entire society making everyone hate us, it’s just our nature, let’s stop promoting equality to help those supposed victims telling each other how good people we are.
#5 Forgive and forget
There were hundreds of wars in Europe in the last 2000 years and around 50 jewish expulsions, after hundreds of wars they all forgave each other and forgot and live now in peace, but we are very intelligent so we never forgive nor forget, we tell our children that the Europeans have always been antisemitic, 50 conflicts between us and them and they forgave and forgot but we didn’t, so they have peace between them but we always have conflict, we must forgive and forget to live in peace.
#6 Be less paranoid
So we’re the chosen, anyone who disagrees is against us and may destroy us so we must destroy them first, we need to calm down a bit.
#7 Stop causing world wars
We’re trying to cause a 3rd world war to make the Middle East safe for Israel but people are becoming aware that we caused the 1st one to create democracies in Europe so we could rule them and because Britain promised Palestine to us and also we caused communism killing tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians that refused to submit to our will and when we tried to do the same to all of Europe that guy Hitler tried to stop us so we blamed him even for the goyim that we killed and we also made sure that no country would allow jews in so they would have to go to Palestine and we could have our own state, now because we demolished building 7 in the middle of the day when we could have done it at night everyone knows that we did it and already a lot of people died in Afghanistan and Iraq so if we nuke Iran then all that will come out, let’s stop lying by misquoting Ahmadinejad about wiping Israel off the map and let’s not cause WW3.
#8 give Russia back
When communism fell we divided the russian economy among ourselves, we should give them their economy back and return everything we gained without labor.
#9 kosher tax
We really need to end it.
#10 federal reserve
Let’s end it and stop lying about any need for a gold standard, we should allow the US government to print it’s money and as long as each dollar printed matches it’s own value in work it will be no inflation and no need for gold.
#11 Stop promoting decadence
The 100 movies that made the most life… I mean money, didn’t have any sexuality but we promote decadence non-stop, the pornographers are almost all jewish, we need to stop that.
#12 Stop lying about the Holocaust(TM)
We lied so much about it that we need to send people to prison in Europe if they disagree, the small chambers for clothes are perfectly designed with valves and everything while the big rooms that we show as gas chambers are ridiculous, in 10 years no one will believe in that story anymore, maybe we should apologize for having lied so much.
#13 reparations
We should stop receiving reparations from Germany, it would be much cheaper than paying reparations to Russia for communism.
#14 Don’t whine
Whining is really annoying, let’s stop.
#15 Stop the genocide of the white race
We use our media to try to mix races in all the nations that have a white majority, we’re trying to make America, Canada, Europe, Russia, Australia and all the White nations become like Egypt or India or Portugal in which races mixed, promoting race-mixing while we reduce birth rates with feminism and homosexuality it’s genocide, we’re trying to destroy their genes with lies like telling them that races don’t matter while we keep Israel for ethnic jews only, White Americans have been nothing but nice to us, maybe we should stop trying to destroy them.
#16 Respect
What other people want is more important that what we want for them.
People like it when they feel respected, when they are not told how to think, but our nature it to tell everybody how to think and try to control everything, we need to start respecting people. Let’s stop thinking only about “what’s good for jews”
#17 Be Likable
That’s the key. The so called “antisemites” don’t like jews, if we attack them then more people dislike us because we are forcing them to like us, they don’t like it when we force them to like us, a better strategy to get rid of the people who don’t like us is to be liked by them, that’s the key to end antisemitism forever, we should be likeable.
author unknown - http://curtmaynardsnewestblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/jew-offers-fellow-jews-17-points-to.html
http://www.therebel.org/opinion/history/the_mother_of_all_lies_200710145813/
I do not agree that the 17 points listed would be sufficient to atone for the crimes but they would all be a good start.
http://www.therebel.org/opinion/zionism/the_catastrophe_of_the_twentieth_century_200708265336/
Here’s a good one for Ronnie. He can fine comb it for errors while otherwise ignoring everything it says - his usual technique. Hmmm. Maybe he can claim that Buda and Pest are two different cities and argue over that - rather than addressing Bela Kun’s Jewish commissars. You have to hand it to Ronnie and Fangfuck - they are the ultimate bullshit artists.
Ha No Ver
““Rabid jew hater”? Who the fuck are you to make such an assumption? Your reading comprehension is that of a ESL student, you fuckhole.”
You’re denying being a rabid jew hater? Really?
Is this some kind of joke, or was I overgenerous in calling you mildly retarded? You are the most rabid jew hater I’ve come across next to your gay pal thames.
Just read the “17 points” you just linked to, posted on an antisemitic website, and signed “author unknown” (only you’d be so gullible to believe it was written by a jew based solely on the antisemitic website’s say-so).
john,
“Here’s a good one for Ronnie. He can fine comb it for errors…”
“fine comb it?” Hahaha You think that’s what readers do in order to laugh at your glaring mistakes? Your repeated errors practically scream out: “john’s a dope”
you’re just too dumb to notice
ps hanover:
“I DESPISE evil actions.”
Uh oh little buddy, I don’t think your “True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew” would appreciate that comment!
I know this from using the “Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination” we jews have “strictly suppressed in attempts to deprive Gentiles from communicating with our own TRUE Gods who have been shamefully and hideously blasphemed and labeled as “evil.”
hehehe I smell sulfur hanover, better run!
wtc /explosives
pentagon explosion/explosives
shanksville crash site/explosives
USA intercepts none of the planes.
No black box information.
6 so called hijackers still alive.
3 skyscrapers collapse in one day all symmetrically.
911 commission admits its investigation was a fraud.
Buildings don’t collapse at free fall speeds like the wtc’s without explosives
Physical laws don’t vanish because people were confused on 911.
To think; all this time Han was defending the Jews.
Excellent post hANOVER fIST it couldn’t have been presented better.
You think hANOVER fIST is a rabid jew-hater? You’re a moRON!! hANOVER fIST’s personal philosophy is to DESPISE evil actions and not hate anyone for being anything, not homosexuals, not blacks, not terrorists, not even oiuja board suppressing JEWS!!!!
He’s even copied some tips a JEW wrote from another website, (see his link, it’s the entry above the swastika and the praise of Croatia’s Nazis):
You know it was written by a JEW because the WEBSITE says so!!!!
It starts of with the customary greeting JEWS always use:
“Hello fellow jews”
Then teaches JEWS how to FIGHT antisemitism, with a BRILLIANT plan:
#1 Don’t lie – because ALL jews lie!!!!!
#2 Don’t rule – Jews RULE! (wait, that doesn’t sound right)
#4 Stop promoting egalitarianism – end political, economic, social, and civil rights!
#5 Forgive and forget – get over it already, sheesh!
#7 Stop causing world wars – no brainer
#8 give Russia back – wherever you (I mean “we”) are hiding it!
#9 kosher tax – end the…huh? Never mind, skip that one
#10 federal reserve - get rid of the GOLD STANDARD already!
#11 Stop promoting decadence – pornographers are almost all jewish (except for 91sexposse.com that site stings!)
#14 Don’t whine – we’re always doing that (especially about justice and equality)
#15 Stop the genocide of the white race with feminism and homosexuality (see above!)
#17 Be Likable. if we are liked by nazis that’s the key to end antisemitism forever, duh
Regarding grafdog’s post:
“wtc /explosives”
Actual, physical proof? Didn’t think so.
“pentagon explosion/explosives”
Actual, physical proof? Didn’t think so.
“shanksville crash site/explosives”
Actual, physical proof? Didn’t think so.
“USA intercepts none of the planes.”
The Air Force and Air National Guard are geared toward defense from external threats, not internal shenanigans. Hijacking + deliberate crashing were a new phenomenon.
“No black box information.”
The Flight 93 and 77 FDRs were found. Are you hoping for a handwritten letter from the NTSB asking for your blessing on what they were able to glean from them?
The Flight 11 and 175 FDRs were never recovered, which is not surprising considering they were ground to a pulp by the large 110-story building collapsing around them. FDRs are tough, but they do have limits.
“6 so called hijackers still alive.”
WTF are you talking about?
“3 skyscrapers collapse in one day all symmetrically.”
Two 110-story buildings struck by large, high-speed airliners collapsed along gravity’s force vector, severely damaging a third building in the process. Not a damn thing was “symmetrical” about the whole series of events.
“911 commission admits its investigation was a fraud.”
So the whole commission published an official retraction to their initial report? Link please.
“Buildings don’t collapse at free fall speeds like the wtc’s without explosives”
None of the buildings that collapsed on 9/11/01 fell at “free fall speed”, so that’s a non-starter argument.
“Physical laws don’t vanish because people were confused on 911.”
Totally nonsensical statement. The buildings collapsed according to the laws of physics based on the impact damage and subsequent fires inflicted upon them. Not quite sure what sort of “evidence” you think you have that shows any contradiction to these laws.
Han posted over at Curtis’ blog.
Perhaps I should enlighten everyone over there about how offended he was when someone insinuated that he might not like Jews. They might get the wrong idea, because his post:
hANOVER fIST said…
“What? Ve must pay attention to zese rules? Ve may as vell stop breathing vith these big noses…!”
might be misinterpreted by nit picking quibblers who won’t address the nuance of the statement.
So show where I’m wrong, Ronnie - you can’t.
As far as pointing out where you’re wrong he’s done so extensively,
You’re probably right, however, that there’s no way to show you that you’re wrong.
fung,
You keep fucking around with hANOVER fIST…here you go, idiots
hANOVER fIST’s personal philosophy is to DESPISE evil actions and not hate anyone for being anything, not homosexuals like john thames, not oiuja board suppressing, quisling, mendicant JEWS!!!
Just give it up, stupid, and strap on your watermelon hockey helmet before the baseball bats return
what r u babbling about thames you old sodomizer?
Fangbeer,
You left out the very best part of devil boy hanover’s posting on that website:
“What? Ve must pay attention to zese rules? Ve may as vell stop breathing vith these big noses…!”
But seriously…good advice! Let me paste something in from another site, which was offered as a response - tell me where they went wrong:”
lol after his rabidly anti-jewish comment with mocking accent and big nose characterization, he asks the other jew haters on that site for advice hahahahaha
Then again, hanover has a “don’t hate anyone for being anything personal philosophy”, sorta like the 17 rules for jews he posted, a constructive criticism deal
Maybe all of the guys on that neo-nazi site share the same “don’t hate anyone for being anything philosophy” like curtis himself:
“It’s the Jews Stupid” but, in a good way!
Yeah, I liked how he took my post from before he posted his Jewpology and portrayed it as a response to it. Han must expect everyone has a magic Ouija board that lets them anticipate people’s future posts. Either that or all his excursions into the future and past have left him quite confused about the present.
I’m sorry to say, though I don’t have a Ouija board that lets me respond to posts you haven’t made yet, Han. I know you used yours to know that “naught but a piece of shit” condones the use of white phosphorous on children, but mine must have been stolen by someone that you don’t hate for being anything.
Fangfuck:
You and your idiot side kicks can’t recognize documented facts when you trip over them.
yeah like transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea, and the first income tax was a jewish plot after world war 1 and the jnf owns a majority of the land of israel.
Get on the revisionist bandwagon, its filled with unrecognizable documented facts!
Hey, look - it’s FungColumbo! You must be a fucking genius, to find out that information FROM A LINK I MADE AVAILABLE.
When you play hide-and-seek at your daily NAMBLA meetings, do you just take off your clothes and cover your eyes, because no one could possibly tell who you are because you’re not wearing the same clothes you were when you began playing?
Stick to dribbling come shots from the sides of your stupid mouth.
So show where I’m wrong, Ronnie - you can’t.
How about these wonderfully factual tidbits?
Orwell was, in fact, deeply anti-Semitic
“gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber”
“A Jewess art critic, Carrie Delmar, is objecting to a Los Angeles Opera Company performance of Richard Wagner’s Ring Cycle”
“The Jews always claim that their brethren were exterminated en masse in Russia.”
The title of the book is “Behind The Flag and the Banner
“There is not a single intelligence official in Europe who does not know it was an inside job by the Jews.”
What are you on about now Han? Who said anything about being a detective? Are you angry that I actually read the link that you made available? Does that mean you don’t want me to explain to your friends on that other blog that you don’t hate people for being anything? I mean, that is your personal philosophy isn’t it?
Ohh.. I just realized; maybe I should go over there and tell them not to follow the link that you made available to here. They might try to play detective and find out that you don’t hate anyone for being anything, that your ouija board got stolen, and that you’re more like Trippetta to John’s hop frog. That way we could avoid you getting all angry and having to accuse them of being Columbo, or something.
John “the sodomizer” thames,
Here’s more of your “documented facts” hee hee
The Committee investigating Titanic “ignored the fact that the shipbuilders had deliberately supplied inadequate lifeboats.”
The steel from the WTC was “carted away … before they could be examined forensically…”
In Israel a woman’s right “to have an abortion … is based on “the need of the Jewish state for a higher birthrate.”
“If you read “Behind The Banner and The Flag (I have; you haven’t)” [the title’s wrong lol]
Larry Silverstein “owned” the WTC
The income tax was an alien concept the Jews at Versailles introduced after World War 1
Theodore Herzl wrote the “Jewish Problem”
The Vice President of the United States is a “go-nowhere position”
There is an “ancient principle, “Cui buono?” haha
LBJ “gave up the extremely powerful position of Senate Majority Whip”
“there was intense Jewish hostility toward [JFK] the son of that “Nazi” [JFK got 82% of the jewish vote rofl]
“I… will hunt you down and nail your kosher ass to a crucifix with your amputated balls stuffed between your circumsized lips.”
And of course: “I’m not a mindless jew hater”
Heheh I’ll say this, you do revise history!
hANOVER fIST
If Obama can win the nobel peace prize for his efforts to strengthen cooperation between peoples, just think your: “don’t hate anyone for being anything” philosophy could win NEXT!!!!!
Phew! I’m glad I’m on your side.
Fung…don’t you have some cock to suck? What are you whining about now?
I put links in both places…it’s pretty fair to say that I’m not hiding much of anything. You sure are a dumbass, though. Just because the air is free, you don’t have to breathe it all in…with your big stupid nose.
Ha,ha.
Who accused you of hiding anything? That’s what I wanted to know. You posted as if I claimed to have made some great discovery. You capitalized all of “from a link I made available” as if to emphasize your refutation of a non existent assertion that I had to go through some great lengths to show your hypocrisy.
No one here thinks you’re hiding your hatred of Jews. I don’t claim it’s some great discovery. I just thought it was funny that you posted a link to here on that site and people from there are gonna read the stupid shit you said here just like I went over there and read the stupid shit you said there.
In effect you doubled your exposure to people who are going to think you’re a hypocritical moron. Half of us are going to be shaking our head in disbelief because you’re an anti-Semitic buffoon, and the other half are going to by shaking their heads in disbelief because you claim to not be.
Fung
Hanover kicked your ass! Hanover does an excellent job of proving that jews have big noses - not that the point requires any demonstration. Han…beautiful stuff.
Your point on jews having big noses could not have been presented better.
I got your back hANOVER. Watch that fifth columnist, quisling mendicant squirm:
Fung, hey big stupid NOSE!!!!!
ROFL LMAO you’re the man, you totally nailed him.
ZIONIST STAR RISING
Was Lyndon Baines Johnson a greater disaster to the United States than Franklin Roosevelt? That would be an incredible achievement, if true. Unfortunately, it is true. Roosevelt began the major descent of the U.S. into serfdom and slavery; LBJ made the descent irretrievable. Despite the damage that he did, Roosevelt did not finish the United States permanently. That remarkable achievement was left to Lyndon Baines Johnson arguably the most power mad, depraved criminal and murderer who ever sat in the White House. Johnson’s “Great Society” was a socialists dream. It was also a Zionists dream. LBJ made civil rights a reality in the U.S. – and civil rights have always been Zionist Jewry’s ultimate weapon for making war on whites. The election of Johnson in 1964 following Kennedy’s assassination marked the end of any real conservatism in America. Once Johnson’s civil rights campaign began, the right of private property was effectively abrogated. No longer could employers hire whom they chose; that power was henceforth to be exercised by the government under pain of lawsuit. No longer would America be a white country; that too was destroyed by the Immigration Act of 1965. Johnson had always been a favorite of the Israel First lobby; LBJ’s own secret marrano upbringing was undoubtedly the reason. Johnson had been a New Dealer from the beginning; his long history of pro-labor politics and fondness for flaming Jewish Marxists like Walter Reuther and David Dubinsky is proof. He temporized by supporting Taft-Hartley but that was only to buy political favor in Texas.
Lyndon Johnson won in a landslide over Barry Goldwater in 1964. Ever since that time conservative principles have been abandoned. The basic assumption that the government should enforce “social justice” by compelling the employment of approved minorities – first blacks, then women, then Third Worlders has been adopted by all sides of the political spectrum ever since. Once that assumption became law, all was lost. How can there be any genuine freedom when decision-making is transferred from the individual to the government? All the evil that has transpired post-1964 has been directly linked to the idea that social justice requires the government to usurp what used to be private decisions. That idea, which lies at the core of civil rights, has destroyed the United States.
Lyndon Johnson did much mischief. But detailing his individual sins misses the point. LBJ implemented civil rights – and civil rights destroyed the right of private property and the individual liberty that goes with it. He substituted the social justice state – and social justice has destroyed freedom in America
Hanover:
Relax.
These cock smokers, as you so accurately put it, cannot argue anything substantive. Therefore, they look for every minor factual mistake they can seize upon to obscure the fact that they cannot dispute anything that matters. It’s just that centuries old Talmudic training they received when they were kids. Whether it is anus brain Welch, Ronnie dick head, Fangfuck or any of the rest of them, they will never conccede that two towers were blown up from within or that Jews created communism or that the vast majority of Jews were still alive after WW2 or even that the IDF are anything other than Boy Scouts.
I note that although they scream and howl, none of them have ever composed lengthy essays laying out the facts, like us. They can’t; they do not have the brains nor do they have the facts - and they know it.
Oh come on John,
I know you’ve looked at the screen in wide-eyed astonishment over some of the stuff Han has posted here. Maybe you feel you have to support him because he represents you, but you’ve got to be the slightest bit embarrassed by Han’s apparent incoherence and his dim witted gullibility.
Did you not read the disjointed rant about Ouija boards and Satan? Did you happen to glance at the time he portrayed himself to an angry dwarf’s girlfriend? Did you get the point that he cast you as the dwarf? I know you keep saying you’re not gay, but it’s pretty clear that Han has a man crush on you.
Now, I assume you include him as part of the “us” when you say that “none of them have ever composed lengthy essays laying out the facts, like us” You know he hasn’t written a single one of those essays. It’s clear that he barely reads them either. When the “facts” of his postings are called into question he seems lost and confused. He’s clearly unable to support the contents of the things he posts and often contradicts the actual data contained therein.
Of course, you’re guilty of that same problem so I’m not surprised you’d give him a pass for it. I noticed that neither of you were able to support the science of any of your claims. You did a shameful job of supporting Leuchter. (Remember when you tried to claim that Prussian blue rapidly combines with other surfaces?) Han did a shameful job of supporting Jones. (His idea of rebuttal was posting a video of someone handing a paper to a scientist who had just finished a lecture on a completely different field of study)
That brings me to the point that the actual posts that Han does write aren’t rebuttals or even remotely coherent. He smashes together some disjointed sentence fragments, sprinkles in some homo erotic invective, and hits the post button. That’s gotta be embarrassing for you. John. The one guy who sticks up for you here comes across like Chester the terrier in a Loony Tunes cartoon. You know, the one that bounces around the stereotypically butch bull dog like a cracked out sycophant saying little but repeating himself over and over again.
He’s your Trippetta, John. He just wants you to love him. But man he’s gotta be embarrassing.
As for why I don’t write long essays here? Well that’s easy. I’m not the one here with something to prove. My point has already been proven. You’re the one with something to prove and that’s why you have to write as you do. Clearly, each and every time you have to write something new, it’s a pretty strong admission that you failed to prove your point the previous time. You might not realize it, but that doesn’t surprise me either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqTLolHFSCc
I always wondered what the name was about.
Fung…I don’t need to say any more…you proved my point.
Until I see three or more new posters who believe I’m a “hypocritical moRON”, I 0wn your leather cheerio, bitch.
Fang:
You are much too stupid to evaluate facts on anything. Until you learn, please do not pass judgement on your betters.
P.S. When the truth on fake Nazi “gas chambers” finally comes out, you will look as stipid as you actually are. I anticipate that your silence shall be deafening.
Damn straight - I’m a fucking monster, you tutu-wearing faggot. So quit your bitching, before I slap the shit outta your bitch ass.
Take that Depeche Mode CD and dance like the deep-throating ball-gobbler your mama always said you were…didn’t she teach you not to talk with a mouthful of man-chowder, you fucking cock-muncher?
John Thames hasn’t failed to prove a single thing…you’re just dizzy from all the Vienna sausage that Welchy and moRON fingercuff your stupid mouth and starfish with. The fact that you rehash Ouija boards as some kind of insult to me. like you weren’t conceived on one, is telling. You were an abortion that managed to use the umbilical as a makeshift bungee cord when your lazy-ass mother didn’t cut it fast enough as she stood over a sewer to evacuate your unwanted ass.
Don’t you dare attempt to raise the misanthropic mumblings you post here as some high art. You’re like a monkey who decided to only eat half of your own fecal matter, and have learned to fling the rest of it in your food bowl for later.
STFU,
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/8.html
A devastating refutation of the numbers of Jews supposedly killed in Russia. Anus brain Welch should read this carefully.
Hanover:
Great description of the birth of our favorite monkey brain. I love it.
“These cock smokers…look for every…factual mistake they can seize upon to obscure …that they cannot dispute anything that matters” other than point out your opinions are based on dumb, invented, easily disprovable, and admittedly “factual mistakes”
Damn straight - I’m a fucking monster
Somehow I knew you would identify with that character. Are you paying attention John? This is your boy Han:
In that scene Hanover Fist colludes with the drug dealing, child raping, murderer Captain Stern. (I know you’ll see deeper meaning into that name then I do) He does this because Stern promises him a pay off which ends up being a one way ticket to outer space.
Fist, being a mental deficient with dissociative identity disorder uses both outright lies and open threats to achieve his goal. He starts by claiming Stern is a veritable angel. Unable to maintain the lie, he begins to contradict himself. As his rage grows the contradictions begin to take control. Before long he’s a seething brute who’s one objective seems to be the destruction of everything around him. Both Hanover and Stern run off as Hanover turns his apparent rage on Stern. When they finally meet up out of the courtroom it becomes clear that the chase was staged, and the transformation and mock rage were all part of the plan. Stern then outsmarts Hanover, kills him, and the scene ends.
This is the character that our own Hanover Fist is proud to be. Damn straight he’s a dim witted mentally deficient monster that defends rapists, murders, and drug dealers.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj77/fangbeer/HanoverFist.jpg
The artist really did a great job with Hanover. Look at the vacant confused stare and the drool on the chin. He’s even got a tiny skinhead brain pan. Just perfect I say.
http://www.therebel.org/opinion/zionism/a_whitewash_in_academic_ink_200707024585/
More “ignorance’ to entertain Ronnie and Fang.
Fang is now blabbibg about “dissaciative identity disorder”.
I used to agree with Thomas Szaz that mental illness was a myth. Now that I’ve read Ronnie and Fang, I can see that I was wrong.
Fang:
After your last effort, if Roman Polanski fucked you up the butt, it might straighten you out. Just what did you think you were scribbling? Franz Kafka had his head screwed on straight compared to you.
http://www.middleeast.org/comments/1/2969.shtml
Kindly note Jew Norman Cantor’s statement about Jews predominating in Communism until early 1950’s.
That’s not a statement by “Jew Norman Cantor.”
It’s an anti-semite writing a post called “Topic: Jews the biggest murderers in history…FACT” on an anti-semitic website and attributing his own anti-semitic ravings to “Jew Norman Cantor.”
Of course, someone so dumb as to repeatedly claim things like “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” and “gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber” wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
More asshattery from moRON.
Who cares if “gaskammer” translates to “gas chamber”? You’re missing the point with your thick head, as usual - the point is that it doesn’t translate to gas DEATH chambers.
Dullard.
And speaking of dullards…oh, Fung…I told you to stick to what you do best - inhaling cock loads, because your grasp of simple movie plots seem to be beyond you.
I guess you thought you hit a home run, what with finding this clip. First, notice that the character’s name is Hanover Fiste. This might work for the databases of ChoicePoint, which was instrumental in the Monkey King GWB’s theft of the election in 2000 by the disenfranchisement of nearly 100,000 legally registered voters in Florida, but it won’t do here. Second, you might want to check out exactly what you’re watching before you make up some retarded analysis…and John…Thomas Szazs was right - all or these “mental disorders” are just excuses for those who don’t wish to take responsibility for their own actions so that they can ingest mind-dulling pharmaceuticals so that they can bliss out like a bunch of mental deficients - but I know that you were being facetious so that you could smack around these loads…but I digress. So…Fung - the clip is from the movie Heavy Metal. Captain Sternn (two Ns, shit-for-brains!) is played by Eugene Levy, and Hanover Fiste by Joe Flaherty, both of SCTV fame. The clip that you’ve offered to your fellow cock-smokers is actually one in a series of clips featuring man’s struggle against evil, represented by the Loch-Nar, which in this clip, is the greem marble-like object that Hanover Fiste plays with as he offers his obviously perjurious testimony. The idea of the clip is that Captain Sternn (created by Bernie Wrightson) is attempting to use Hanover Fiste to act as a character witness. He does intend to deceive the court, but through testimony, not whatever come-soaked crap you gargled up from your gullet. When Hanover Fiste begins playing with the Loch-Nar during his testimony, he begins to lose control and actually speaks of evil deeds perpetrated by Captain Sternn, as in the “pedophile prostitution ring”, and his “selling of dope dressed as a nun”; eventually, it proves too much for him, and he transforms and attempts to administer his own justice. We all know how the clip ends.
So…how do you feel now, jackass?
When I first saw the posting, I couldn’t believe someone could be that utterly stupid. I wanted to rebut your mendacity instantly…but thought better of it. I decided to let your retarded posting stand, and I went on with my day. Of course, it would be all the sweeter to smack the fuck out of you hours later after you thought you had me on the ropes.
That image you posted? After reading this posting, why don’t you ask your boyfriend to stop fucking your mouth and to take a picture of you - I’ll bet dollars to come stains on your face that it will look much like that image.
Now…I’ll bet you’ll reply to this with some whining, bitching and equivocating…but get this - YOU FUCKED UP, BIG, DOUCHEBAG.
Now, if you’re smart, you’ll get in a coffin and nail it shut from the inside.
Fang is now blabbibg about “dissaciative identity disorder”.
You read my comment about Han’s pseudonym and thought that it was about dissociative Identity disorder? On top of that you deny that there’s such a thing as mental illness? Wow. No wonder you have such trouble getting simple facts straight.
So…how do you feel now, jackass?
You think you “smacked” me by agreeing that you’re a monster, just like a man with no integrity who is possessed by an evil alien force, forced to tell the truth, then killed by someone smarter? You just keep getting more hilarious, Han.
And yes, I have seen Heavy Metal. That’s how I remembered the name.
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE
The empire of the Khazar Turks, a people of Turkic, Finnish and Slavic blood, is one of the most important pieces of an uncompleted historical puzzle. It was this nomadic empire, located in south Russia between the Black and Caspian seas, which held the balance of power in the age of the Islamic flood tide over Europe. While Charles Martel stopped the Arabs at the Pyrenees, it was the Khazars who stopped the Arab expansion through the Caucausus Mountains and Georgia. Again and again the flag of the Prophet and the yaks of the Khazars clashed, each side sustaining its victories and defeats. But the Arabs could not break through. Khazaria held – and Islam remained in the Near East. In the eighth through ninth centuries A.D. a fateful transformation occurred. The Khazar Turks converted to Talmudic Judaism. A nation of nomadic half-Mongols became the Jews of the steppes. When the Khazars were smashed by the Russian Prince Sviatoslav in 969 A.D., the break-up of the vast Khazar Empire produced one of the most remarkable transformations of all history – the creation of Russian/Eastern European Jewry as the Khazars migrated westward in huge numbers.
Russia is full of Jews with foul, evil looking features. They have swarthy faces, distorted features and frequently slant eyes, braided hair and high cheekbones. Their ears are clownishly large, their noses hooked and protruding. Not infrequently they have reddish hair and Mongoloid features superimposed on Slavic faces, superficially white in appearance. These are the bastardized descendants of the bastardized Khazars. They were and are a vile, violent people, bred on plunder and warfare. They are the progenitors of Communism and Zionism, hateful ideologies reflective of their contempt of the Russian pagans and later Christians who destroyed their empire. These Khazars were defeated but not exterminated. They exist today in Israel. They are the same stinking Turkic-Mongol scum now that they were then. One need merely look at the savage face of the pseudo-conservative David Horowitz to see that the Khazar in all his deceptiveness still operates.
The Khazar Empire rose again with the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Now that Russia has, once again, broken free of the Khazar, the Khazar has set up shop in Arab Palestine. The Palestinian Khazar is recognized by the Arab as the ancient enemy of the 7th and 8th centuries. He bulldozes homes today the same way his heavily armored cavalry once thundered down the mountain passes of Transcaucasia so many centuries ago. The Khazar still lives – and that is why he must die. Sviatoslav must rise again – so that the Khazar and all his progeny can be exterminated from the face of the earth.
Ronnie Boy:
You are pathetic.
Cantor did in fact make those statements. Get his books and check them out. For a guy who babbles on and on about “facts”, you have extreme difficulty recognizing any. And by the way - I believe that we both agree that the port of Acquaba on the Red Sea does indeed belong to Jordan. That is probably the only thing we do agree on.
WERE OUR ANCESTORS PEDOPHILES?
The hysteria over the thirty-year-old Roman Polanski seduction/rape (take your pick) of a thirteen-year-old girl raises an interesting question: Were our ancestor’s pedophiles for thousands of years? Anyone can look up age of consent/marriage laws over the centuries and quickly discover that sex and reproduction from ages 10-14 was the legal and established norm for centuries in all countries of the world. So how can sex with a 13 year old be pedophilia? People forget that their own ancestors were fucking on the farm from a very early age. All this changed with the advent of the factory system and the modern cash economy. No one can earn enough money at age 13 to support a wife and family. But when supporting a family was done by farming and fishing screwing and baby making were a ten to fourteen year olds occupation. Puberty begins at ten to fourteen. Mother Nature made hormones rage at that age for a reason. Early fertilization makes for the maximum number of babies and the best results. The older the eggs get and as male sperm counts decline, reproduction becomes more difficult and the chances of genetic problems increases. Early mating is the best mating.
Finger fucking a three year old is pedophilia. Screwing 12-13 year olds is nature’s design and historically acceptable practice. Those are the facts, like them or not.
Hey Ronnie:
Is “gassing” 12-13 year old kikes statutory murder?
“the port of Acquaba on the Red Sea does indeed belong to Jordan.”
I’m glad I’ve taught you something - hehe you were schooled by a jew.
Next lesson…. spelling
“Cantor did in fact make those statements.”
No he didn’t, you linked to a website with a post by some dope who wrote “Topic: Jews the biggest murderers in history…FACT” who attributed something to “Jew Norman Cantor.”
Norman Cantor didn’t write any of it. You sure do make it tough on a teacher!
ps will a little hard work y’all git that dern GED Wilbur!
That was perty funny Wilbur. It took you a few months of figurin’ that town was in jordan after all, and then y’all plum forgot how to spell it haw haw.
Seriously, y’all gonna be needin’ my GED study books, cuz yer x-wife axed to borrow dem for junior’s test next year.
Ronnie:
Sorry. Cantor did indeed write those statements - just like Benjamin Ginsberg wrote those statements on Jewish commissars I quoted from “The Fatal Embrace”. Taking it off Stormfront doesn’t discredit it.
You lose, Ronnie.
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/russicom.htm
More info you can’t refute, Ronie. But keep trying. Your two left feet are a real kick.
http://www.naszawitryna.pl/jedwabne_en_98.html
Poor, Poor, Ronnie:
See more Cantor quotes (with page numbers even!). He actually said it in in several books. And you are the poor dumb bastard who likes to argue over Arab ports! Argue over something more to the point, Ronnie.
You lose - again.
you john,
“Cantor did in fact make those statements.”
You do not seem to get it, let me school you again:
You linked to this http://www.middleeast.org/comments/1/2969.shtml
Your link is a post by some dope who wrote a nifty comment he calls: “Topic: Jews the biggest murderers in history…FACT.”
You did not link to that “Jew Norman Cantor['s]” website
You did not link to that “Jew Norman Cantor['s]” materials
There is not even a quote from that “Jew Norman Cantor”
The nazi on that website wrote a comment, and attributed some of his deranged rantings to that “Jew Norman Cantor”
It matters a great deal if the source is Stormfront, David Duck or the other factually challenged websites you always link to.
I told you to keep your nose out of those nazi porn sites otherwise you end up saying stupid things like:
“Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea”
If you read “Behind The Banner and The Flag (I have; you haven’t)”
Larry Silverstein “owned” the WTC
Theodore Herzl wrote the “Jewish Problem”
..and I know how hard you try to hide your ignorance and hatred: Wilbur “I’m not a mindless jew hater” thames
Ronnie:
I know how pathetically dumb you are but I try to be indulgent.
An accurate quote is an accurate quote, whether it appears on Stormfront, the daily newspaper or even one of your generally inaccurate postings. If someone says that “two plus two equals four”, that is accurate, irrespective of the ideology of who said it.
Your entire debating technique is to try to find small mistakes to argue about, so that your empty gun does not have to fire at the true target. The issue is not whether Larry Silverstein was the lessee as opposed to the owner of the two World Trade Center buildings; the issue is whether they were blown up from inside. Similarly, the issue is not whether Norman Cantor is quoted on Stormfront or some other site you do not like; the issue is whether he wrote those statements in his books. The fact is that he did. Moreover, the issue then becomes: Is what Cantor wrote on the subject consistent with what other Jewish scholars have written on Jewish involvement in Communism? The answer is “Yes” on all counts.
And that, Ronnie, is how rational minds think.
john,
“Cantor did in fact make those statements.”
Let’s try this one last time, maybe, just maybe, you’ll get it.:
You linked to a website!
Your link did not contain a quote from that “Jew Norman Cantor”
Your link is not material from that “Jew Norman Cantor”
The nazi on that website you linked to posted his own thoughts.
The link is not a post of “Jew Norman Cantor[s]” thoughts.
It matters a great deal if the source is Stormfront, David Duck or the other factually challenged websites you always link to because the materials on those websites are factually wrong, filled with misquotes, false attributions and phantom source material.
Your constant peeking at nazi porn is the reason you keep saying really stupid things like:
“Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” and Larry Silverstein “owned” the WTC
If you go to those websites, you end up copying other dumb nazis’ thoughts. Then you post their trash here, and I have to point out you’ve made another, stupid, simple error of fact: like Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea.
See? see?
ps the Cantor book that was sorta maybe paraphrased by the poster on the website you linked to, was not actually written by Cantor.
The book Cantor edited (which your nazi poster is using as a reference for statistics on 20th century political party affiliation) is a collection of stories.
The book is an anthology, and consists of fine literary excerpts by other authors, with fictional short stories etc. Assuming the nazi poster on the website even quoted the book correctly, a book of literature is a curious source to rely on for statistics - its fine as literature though!
This is another reason why the nazi websites you always link to make you look so silly!
“Your entire debating technique is to try to find small mistakes to argue about…”
a. I don’t debate you.
b. I post because I like knowing your dumb theories (the “911 Hoax” the “Holocaust Hoax” and the “Feminist Hoax”) are the product of person with a poor grasp of the most basic facts.
(ex. someone so dumb as to think Larry Silverstien “owned” the WTC is dumb enough to think 911 was an inside job. Or someone who believes Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea would be naive enough to think it was a jewish plot to make Transjordan a landlocked country etc.)
c. I also find it fascinating that your a closet homosexual
d. I also get a good laugh
Your entire debating technique is to try to find small mistakes to argue about, so that your empty gun does not have to fire at the true target.
Well there’s irony right there. This is the revisionist M.O. This is your M.O.
The issue is not whether Larry Silverstein was the lessee as opposed to the owner of the two World Trade Center buildings
You made Larry’s ownership an issue by making the claim to support your argument that the buildings were blown up from the inside. You required this innuendo to attempt to establish the idea that Larry would have a motive to blow up the towers. This is because you don’t have real evidence that would establish such a motive.
Of course, you were wrong, and Ron pointed out that error to show that your argument had no merit. If the evidence is wrong this is just another failure on your part to support your argument that the buildings were blew up from the inside.
Beyond that, the thin establishment of a motive for Larry, does not address the glaring issues with your overall claim. Whether Larry had a motive or not is minutia. It does not prove that Larry had the opportunity, or the means to carry out such a hair brained plan. This is a big piece of the overall picture that you just expect us to accept off hand based on evidence, that as Ron point out, you were wrong about.
The premise itself that Larry could have organized the destruction of the WTC complex in secret without any witness to the crime, without any physical evidence remaining, is completely preposterous. Such a claim would require an overwhelming preponderance of evidence to support. Instead of an overwhelming preponderance of evidence, you supply us with questionable anecdotes, hearsay, pseudoscience, and outright falsehoods. The claim that Larry had motive is one such falsehood.
And then you turn around and claim that your evidence is irrelevant? You have to realize how ridiculous you look by making such claims, and then later asserting that your claims are worthless.
the issue is not whether Norman Cantor is quoted on Stormfront or some other site you do not like; the issue is whether he wrote those statements in his books
No, the issue is whether the quotes that you provided support your claims. They do not.
If someone says that “two plus two equals four”, that is accurate, irrespective of the ideology of who said it.
The fallacy of your argument is in the application of the “accurate” quote. An example of this fallasy is to say:
A is true.
B is true.
A=B
B=C
Therefor C is true.
Fleshed out,
A= 2 plus 2 equals 4,
B = 2 times 2 equals 4
C = 1 plus 3 = 4
Therefor 1 times 3 equals 4.
Just because you say that A leads to B and Collin is quoted as saying A that does not mean that Collin’s quote supports the A - B correlation.
It is obvious that both Ronnie and Fang are Philosophy 101 majors. Unfortunately, neither of them can count to ten on their toes.
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/russicom.htm
OK, Guys:
Time to cut the bullshit. Read following comment from heavily documented Jewish Tribal Review article. Read comment by Cantor at the bottom about empirical data from 1920’s and 1930’s supporting claim of antiSemites that Jews were disproportionately involved in both capitalist and communist movements. Also note candid admission that historians, past and present, have tried to cover all this up. It sounds just exactly like you bullshit artists.
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg11.htm
Commie Einstein and his leftist doublethink. He reminds me of you guys.
OK, Guys:
Time to cut the bullshit. Read following comment:
“”Empirical data” … “support the contention that the Jews were both capitalists and communists”
That’s absolutely right. See John, communism was not some jewish plot. As your source suggests, Jews were both communists and capitalists, and somewhere in between too.
Alot like christians, muslim, hindu, and any other religion, you will find people from every race and religion who are communists, capitalists or somewhere in between.
The truth is, as the quote from your source [whether it's accurate or not I can't say] rightly points out, there was nothing particularly jewish about either communism or capitalism.
Thank you for pointing that out! You’re becoming pretty good at striking down your own dumb arguments.
Come on Ron, We are supposed to be looking at the big picture here.
John’s statement that a medieval historian thinks that Jews were disproportionately involved in communism and capitalism is just a small flaw in John’s argument. The real point that John is trying to make is that this disproportionate number of Jews (that he hasn’t quantified) were really 4 million undead holocaust Jews hiding behind the Ural mountains as communist commissars. Actually that last sentence is just a minor incorrect fact. The real point is that they were hiding, not because the Germans were trying to kill them in gas chambers and firing lines, but because they were plotting to frame the Germans for war crimes. <<– This is just a small erroneous point that does not refute the overarching theme that the holocaust never happened.
In summary, just because John has failed to prove that Jews were running communism, that doesn’t mean he failed to prove his point that Jews were running communism. (or something) All your attempts to laugh at him for his failure to provide evidence that Jews were running communism are just nitpicking nitpicks from a quibbling quibbler.
John Thames…got your back, pal:
From WikiAnswers: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_owned_the_World_Trade_Center
Port Authorities of NY and NJ Owned it, but Larry Silverstein just began leasing it like 6 weeks before 9/11,
BUT GET THIIS, Larry Silverstein even thjou he paid like 7 million for the tower, he took out an insurance for 3.5 BILLION DOLLARS, Wait it gets better, Larry Silverstein also took out extra insurance that in case of a terrorist attack Mr. Silverstein
WOULD BE PAID DOUBLE,,, 7 BILLION DOLLARS
PAID 7 MILLION, 7 BILLION back in 6 weeks
some people say that Mr. Larry Silverstein Knew about the attacks before they happened. What say you?
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Fung, as far as I’m concerned, you’re splitting hairs
“got your back, pal.”
Actually, you just pwned john thames by disproving that Silverstein “owned” the world trade center as john thames posted before. Nice going, “pal” you on the mossad payroll?
“PAID 7 MILLION, 7 BILLION back in 6 weeks”
Wowee gazowee 7 million billion!
“What say you?”
I say “you” a dope who doesn’t have a clue what was paid and when.
Boy that post is chalk full of retard, Han.
“Port Authorities of NY and NJ Owned it, but Larry Silverstein just began leasing it like 6 weeks before 9/11,”
Larry had owned WTC7 since 1980. He bid on the entire complex in 2000 ($3.2 billion) and was outbid. The higher bidder withdrew which gave the lease to Larry on July 24th.
“BUT GET THIIS, Larry Silverstein even thjou he paid like 7 million for the tower,”
7 million for the tower, huh? Where’d you get that little tidbit of disinfo? Wikianswers? Nice. Larry needed to provide a security to retain the lease. He put in 14 million dollars of his own money, but the total security was much more then that. Beyond that, the lease is 10 million dollars a month in rent, which he still pays…
Wait it gets better, Larry Silverstein also took out extra insurance that in case of a terrorist attack Mr. Silverstein
WOULD BE PAID DOUBLE,,, 7 BILLION DOLLARS
There’s two reasons why this statement is fallacy. First, the towers had already been attacked by terrorists. You’d be a fool not to have coverage for such an attack. Second, the policy did not state that Larry would be paid double if the buildings were attacked by terrorists. Larry’s policy did state that it was worth 3.55 billion per occurrence. Larry argued that each plane was a separate occurrence. The insurance companies argued that the entire attack constituted a single occurrence. When all was said and done the insurance companies agreed to $4.577 billion which was applied to the redevelopment of the site. Anyone want to guess how much Larry had to pay for that policy? I’ll bet it’s more than Han makes in a lifetime per month. Anyone want to hazard a guess what he’s paying to insure the site now? Who wants to take a stab at what it will be once the site is rebuilt?
This leaves Larry with a 3.55 billion dollar lease, a 102 million dollar per year rent, no income from the site whatsoever, and only 4.577 billion dollars with which to rebuild. That sounds like a brilliant plan, Han. Why don’t you agree to lease a rental property for 99 years, insure it for less than what it would cost to rebuild, and then burn it down. See how that works out for you. See if you can get the job done without anyone figuring out what a moron you are.
some people say that Mr. Larry Silverstein Knew about the attacks before they happened. What say you?
I say that no businessman would destroy assets worth well in excess of 3.5 billion dollars to get an insurance payment so that he can rebuild on the site to a tune of more than 12 billion dollars. I say that the unlikelihood that a business man would make such a stupid play is reinforced by the fact that no evidence has been offered that shows such an event took place.
Larry had owned the lease for WTC7 since 1980
Almost made the same mistake.
moRon - no one got pwned except for your silly ass. Larry “Two Sheds” Silverstein still ran off with undeserved funds, whether you’re willing to admit to it or not - at least Fangbeer can admit when he’s wrong.
Silverstein still ran off with undeserved funds
What funds did Larry run of with? He’s paying 10 million dollars a month on a property that’s not generating any money at all, and the insurance payment was long ago tied up into the design phase of a building that may never get built which he no longer has rights to.
Ronnie is too boring to require belaboring the obvious any longer. Fang the Fuck is much more entertaining.
Fang claims that an ethnic minority comprising no more than 2%of the population was not disproportionately involved in a regime where they constituted anywhere between 30%-65% of the top and mid-level commissars. Fascinating. This is a mind that claims to evaluate evidence? At least Fang The Fuck is one step ahead of Ronnie in that he does not try to pretend that Cantor did not actually make those statements. Other than that, Fang tries to pretend that Jews were no more involved in Communism than anyone else. Such a genius is Fang The Fuck. Counterknowledge, indeed.
http://www.monthlyreview.org/090511hersh.php
OK Boys:
See attatched essay by Jew professor from Denmark who essentially confirms everything I’ve been posting (the Big “H” excepted).
john
“Jew professor from Denmark who essentially confirms everything I’ve been posting”
He does? Did you actually read the article because the “jew professor” counters what you’ve been saying.
“The Yiddishe Arbeiter Bund, the most popular Jewish socialist party, was militantly anti-Zionist”
I don’t recall you saying anything like socialists were militantly anti-zionists
hahahahaha Nice going you’ve linked to another source that essentially denies everything you’ve been posting (again)
john,
incidentally, you should stick to sources like stormfront, buchanan and david duck.com. That way your links won’t flatly contradict you.
Although monthly review isn’t a nazi site, why exactly are you trolling a site that: “spoke for socialism and against U.S. imperialism” anyway?
Stick to aryan nation approved sites! If it doesn’t have a swastika logo, its probably a jew controlled media site.
And even then you have to be careful. Some of those sites with swastika logos are false flag Jew controlled disinfo media sites.
hmm the mossad patsy FALSE FLAG swastika op eh?
“Larry “Two Sheds” Silverstein still ran off with undeserved funds”
Now it’s “undeserved funds”
What happened to 7 million billion - that was a whole bunch of million billion dollars?
Hey Ronnie You Dumb Shit:
In case your dork brain had not noticed, quite a few rightists, like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, also oppose US war mongering all over the globe. As for advocating socialism, what else would one expect from a Jew professor from Denmark? The relevant point, however, is that the professor essentially confirms, with reservations, everything I’ve written on Zionism and Communism. As to your remark that “you do not recall” my having written anything about Russian socialists opposing Zionism, that is because you are too busy worrying about the location of Arabian ports to actually read anything I ever wrote, you stupid little fuck. Anyone who has read the history of the Bund in Russia knows that it was opposed to Zionism and supported Jewish national-cultural autonomy in Russia instead. You don’t know these things beause you are too busy trying to find small mistakes that you can make the basis of an argument. .
That means you’re still a sophist, Ronnie boy. As to my sourrces, it would not matter to your shit-for-brain whether I quoted from Stormfront, Kevin MacDonald, Benjamin Ginsberg, Yuri Slezkine, Jaff Schatz or the Jewish Encyclopaedia. You are a proven “denier” of established facts - and lying is your avocation.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0500b.asp
Jewish semi-revisionism.
john
“…actually read anything I ever wrote, you stupid little fuck.”
Sheesh don’t get upset. I do read what you write, but I’m only looking for the facts you rely on. Facts like “gaskammer” does not translate “gas chamber,” “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” and “the JNF owns a majority of the land in Israel.”
Your opinions don’t matter. For example (and not surprisingly) you’re a pedophile. I really don’t care if you think “sex with a minor is a fascinating example of politically correct double think.” or “underage sex, so-called, has been the norm for thousands of years” or that you’re a card carrying member of NAMBLA and wonder “Is “gassing” 12-13 year old kikes statutory murder?”
You’re a criminal, and should be in jail for pedophilia, but you’re entitled to your opinions - no matter how grotesque.
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I also read the article by ““Jew professor from Denmark.” His position is different from yours. I doubt that “Jew professor from Denmark” would agree:
“Communism and Zionism then, entered into a staunch alliance….”
As an old gay, pedophile once wrote: “as good a theory as any”
Ronnie:
Opinions are for people who can think, not fools like you.
If you go to Spain right now Ronnie, you can legally screw with 13 year olds. That is a fact. It is also a fact that as late as 1875 the age of consent in Queen Victoria’s England was age 12. Pedophilia, my ass. Pedophiles finger fuck 3 year olds, as prescribed in the Talmud.
You do not know the facts on early sex and reproduction, Ronnie, anymore than you know the facts on Jews and Communism, fake “gas chambers”, what really caused two towers to come down or any other subject. You are actually a perfect specimen of “Stupidus Americanus” who will believe anything the TV set tells him.
Weren’t you the guy who said:
“heck out the number of TV talk shows devoted to the Kennedy assassination versus the number of History Channel documentaries on Pearl Harbor”
As a way of defending your stupid, made up fact that:
“Pearl Harbor has received but a fraction of the attention that the JFK assassination has received. Why?”
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“If you go to Spain right now Ronnie, you can legally screw with 13 year olds.”
You have a serious malfunction
Putting aside the fact that you actually know the age you can “legally screw” children in different parts of the world - which is creepy enough - your information on spain is wrong (no surprise there)
se considera válido el consentimiento de los menores de 15 años respecto a las relaciones sexuales con mayores de 18 años
Sorry old man, dream on
For the bigot John that means:
If you’re older than 18 your partner has to be 15 in order to be considered consenting.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance181.html
A good demolition of the “Good War”.
Hey Ronnie:
You are such an expert on age of consent laws, just like you are an expert on WW2 related matters. This whole issue of underage sex arose in the late 19th century because of Jewish sex slavery and child prostitution rackets. The idea in raising the age of consent laws was to prevent the sexual exploitation of children by criminal elements; it was never directed gainst teens screwing among themselves at an early age. Today, these statutes are being misapplied to make petting parties between 13, 14 and 15 year olds criminal offenses - for boys only, who are automatically considered to be the culpable party.
As for adults making it with younger chicks, you may recall that the 70 year old Supreme CourtJustice, William O. Douglas, married a 17-19 year old and nobody at the time had any problem with it. The famous empress of the Austro-Hungarian empire in the 18th century, Matia Theresa, got pregnant at 13-14 and kicked out over fifteen babies in the course of her lifetime. So my point remains perfectly valid, despite your protestations notwithstanding.
You must have a major in basket weaving, Ronnie. You cannot understand any subject no matter how many times it is explained to you.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24
Now, Ronnie, You Up-To-Date Dick Head:
Kindly note the huge numbers of American states that had age of consent laws of 10 years in the US of the 1880’s. Now tell me all about how screwing 10-14 year olds is “pedophilia” according to the documented and corroborated practices of our ancestors of only a century past.
heheh john don’t get so defensive!
you’re entitled to your opinion about what the pedophilia law should be, and you can support sex with children all you want. Join NAMBLA if you’re so passionate. I don’t care.
You just can’t make up facts. You said:
“If you go to Spain right now Ronnie, you can legally screw with 13 year olds.”
That is false. You repeatedly make false claims.
john,
“Now tell me all about how screwing 10-14 year olds is “pedophilia” according to the documented and corroborated practices of our ancestors of only a century past.”
Before you go out and indulge in any fantasies you have about spanish children, Fangbeer has kindly translated the current, spanish consent law for you.
Tell el jues in Barcelona you’re innocent because a Habsburg emperor did it - maybe you’ll beat the rap!
“you may recall that the 70 year old Supreme CourtJustice, William O. Douglas, married a 17-19 year old and nobody at the time had any problem with it.”
1. Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl.
He plead guilty to statutory rape as a plea bargain to reduce his sentence. He did this because the evidence would most assuredly prove him guilty of the crime. This does not compare to a justice marrying a 23 year old law student
2. Douglas did take heat for his lifestyle and was almost impeached. Three times. After his last marriage congress passed 4 resolutions calling for his investigation. I’d say that’s pretty far from nobody having a problem with it.
Get your head out of those Nazi pedo sites, John. Some folks are apt to use this shit against you in a court of law.
Ronnie and Fang:
Neither of you can deal with facts, pure and simple. The age of consent laws were exactly as I gave them in the chart. Neither of you attempted to refute them because you can’t. Instead, it is the usual nonsense about whether William O. Douglas came under criticism while he was on the Supreme Court. Indeed he did, but no one suggested he was doing anything illegal by marrying a girl so much younger than himself. Since stupid shit Fang cannot refute the provable point on past age of consernt laws, he instead chooses to argue abnout William O. Douglas. Don’t you imbeciles ever address the real point? (Rhetorical question. Obviously not.)
Now for Polanski. He plead guilty to sex with a minor. He spent forty some odd days in a psychiatric clinic afterwards. A plea bargain was reached which would have dropped five of the six charges against him and reduced sentencing to time already served. The judge, now deceased, was going to renege on the agreement at which point Polanski fled the country. The case never proceeded to trial. Now the authorities want to prosecute a fugitive from justice thirty two years ago while giving females caught lying in the here and now a free pass. I was out in Los Angeles a few weeks ago whenPolanski got arrested. Two days before there was a news item on the local TV about some female in the area admitting to a false rape accusation. The DA’s Office decided not to prosecute. I say: Why not go after free shot female liars now instead of worrying over a thirty year old dead horse? I maintain that position.
In case neither of you imbeciles has noticed it, laws are constantly changing based on the mores of the times. Different ages have taken radically different positions, a fact I have thoroughly documented - and which you stupid shits cannot refute.
And here is one more for you Fuck.
In Nazi Germany, the Germans launched a major campaign against pedophiles in the Catholic Church. You can read all about it in the German press of the 1930’s. So much for Nazi pedophilia sites, you jackass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
Here you go, Ronnie Dick Head:
The Spanish law makes an exception for adults using deceit to get girls 13-16 into bed. However, the law limits the punishment to 1-2 years in prison or a fine. So they obviously don’t think it’s the big deal that you do, Ronnie. And if you want to know what the Europeans think of the Polanski case, you don’t need me to educate you on that.
FUCKING IDIOT!!!
Now let’s educate Fang The Fuck.
Supreme Court Douglas married four times. He was subjected to attempted impeachment proceedings twice; once over the Rosenbergs and the other over an article in Avant Garde Magazine in the ’60’s when Congressman Gerald Ford attempted impeachment in 1970. Both attempts failed. Douglas was a Communist pro-New Deal Son-of-a-Bitch, surely, but his sexual affairs were the least of his sins. He should have hanged for his treason but as for his taste for hot young pussy, that was probably the only commendable thing about the Red SOB.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/18/ukcrime.prisonsandprobation1
It would appear that English judges have a better understanding of the dangers of women screaming “Rape!” than Ronnie and Fangfuck.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1906/xx/womansuffrage.htm
Here is arather revealing Marxist perspective on women’s alleged “right” to vote.
http://www.henrymakow.com/000180.html
Kindly note how Communist Party USA always advocated moving women into the workplace and having daddy change the diapers. Also, remember that Communism means Jews - and compare how women are treated in Israel with what Jewess feminists preach in the USA.
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Eastern-European-Walter-Sanning/dp/0939484110
Here are some good reviews of Sanning’s book for anus brain Welch to ponder.
http://www.codoh.com/answer/ansdemog.html
Where the non-exterminated Jews really went.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR15/KGB_Jewish.html
See attatched admission by Yoram Sheftl, John Demjanjuk’s defense attorney in Israel, about “thirty NKVD commissars, all Jews”.
John you’re like a modern day julius streicher
He was a sadist, a pornographer (for you it’s underage children), and a mindless Jew hater.
Streicher also liked to prattle on topics he knew nothing about.
And, just like you he had a dismal iq
Actualy, I’ve never read Streicher, although I understand that he wrote some very well documented material on Jewish ritual murder of children. You see, Ronnie, I may endorse 12-13 year olds fucking but I do not endorse killing and exsanguinating little boys in a satanic ritual, like your favorite tribe.
By the way, Ronnie, where is the rebuttal on all the Jewish killers of the NKVD, as documented by Israeli Yoram Sheftl? And how can John Demjanjuk be Ivan The Terrible when Sheftl proved that the real Ivan was killed by a prisoner revolt during the war? Let’s see your hyper-rational “mind” explain these things. Maybe you can come up with a list of all the Hindu commissars of the Soviet secret police because we know that Jews were no more involved in communism than any other group. It must be true, Ronnie, because you and anus brain Welch have already told us so.
“exsanguinating little boys in a satanic ritual”
What are you babbling about now julius?
Satanic? That sounds familiar. I thought you and hANOVER were the team that proved on this website that “The Bible is nothing more than … intense blasphemy against … our True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew.”
julius
“where is the rebuttal on all the Jewish killers of the NKVD, as documented by Israeli Yoram Sheftl?”
Here it is:
If you read your own stupid source you would know that Yoram didn’t document “all the Jewish killers of the NKVD”
According to your own stupid source, Yoram visited the Ukraine. On his visit Yoram saw a plaque. On the plaque were names of KGB killed in WW2 of which “about 30 of the names” sounded jewish to Yoram.
As jews customarily say in exsanguinating satanic rituals: “woop dee effing doo”
Your own stupid source is a little smarter than you though. They at least have the brains to know: “Sheftel’s sample of thirty is not necessarily a sample that is representative of the entire NKVD in Ukraine.”
You are not blessed with such limited intelligence. For you, a plaque is documentation of the Jewish killers of the entire NKVD during its entire existence.
Keep at it julius, the GED is right around the corner, and I think you can pass it this time!
ps You do not only “endorse 12-13 year olds fucking,” what you were endorsing and defending was the ability of adults to “legally screw with 13 year olds” like your old pal
big difference you deviant nazi you
Ronnie:
Your obfuscation techniques are so pathetic that it really isn’t worth the trouble to refute them anymore.
I note that you “pick and choose” on the assumption that your readers can’t even read a short article. It is rather your dancing around what Orwell said. The article begins by saying that research in the Ukrainian archives supports the conclusion that aproximately 69% of the Ukrainian NKVD was Jewish. (Jews were, at most 2-3% of the total population.) The article concludes by saying that Jews were disproportionately involved in the Soviet sectet police. (Jewish historians, Ronnie, not me.)
You then try to make case that Jews were not in control of the NKVD by asserting that thirty names on a memorial are not conclusive. (A proposition with which I agree.) Did you get your degree in dialectical horseshit, Ronnie?
The subject is res adjudicata.
Ronnie:
Thirty year old guys have been marrying 13 year old girls throughout history. Deal with the fact.
And the ritual murder charge. Get a copy of Ariel Toaff’s book “Pasque de Sangue” (”Easter Blood”) and read it -if you can find a copy before the ADL ordered it pulped. Or get Arnold Leese’s old booklet “Jewish Ritual Murder”. The things you do not know, Ronnie.
“Did you get your degree in dialectical horseshit, Ronnie?”
Your IQ may be even lower than Streicher’s. You asked: “where is the rebuttal on all the Jewish killers of the NKVD, as documented by Israeli Yoram Sheftl?”
Yoram made no documentation of “all the Jewish killers of the NKVD” in the stupid source you linked to. According to your stupid source, Yoram only saw a dumb WW2 plaque with a bunch of names - some of the names sounding sorta jewishy.
The other made-up crap was found elsewhere in your stupid source by someone else entirely. Face it, “Israeli Yoram Sheftl” didn’t document anything you said - you just made it up.
________
“get Arnold Leese’s old booklet “Jewish Ritual Murder”. The things you do not know, Ronnie.”
Gosh I’m jewish and never got to take part in any “exsanguinating satanic rituals” I wuz robbed!
Maybe I should ask your pal hANOVER, he’d know all about satanic rituals, they do honor your “True Creator God Satan, which means “enemy” in Hebrew.”
ps if “Satan means “enemy” in Hebrew”, why are all the jews doing “exsanguinating satanic rituals” anyhow?
“Thirty year old guys have been marrying 13 year old girls throughout history. Deal with the fact.”
I don’t have to you old pervert, it’s already against the law…in spain too
Ronnie:
You have an amazing ability to lie through your teeth - even when you are caught dead with your dick in your mouth.
You’ve been telling us , off and on, that you are:
(1) not Jewish;
(2) that you are Jewish.
You can’t get your story straight any more than a “gas chamber” survivor.
THE FIRE OF REVOLUTION
Tony Michels “A Fire In Their Hearts: Yiddish Socialists In New York” is a tour-de-force expose of the roots of international Marxism. It confirms, with unimpeachable authenticity, every charge which the extreme right wing ever made about the Jewish origins of communism and socialism. Before the Russian revolution and the creation of Zionism in Palestine, New York was the birthplace-and the heartland-of Yiddish socialism. The American socialist movement had begun with the arrival of the Germans who had dominated the Socialist Labor Party (the SLP) before the arrival of the Jews. The Jews picked up their Yiddish from the Germans in New York, not from their sojourn in Czarist Russia, as commonly believed. (Yiddish, as the use of an official language, was banned by the Czarist authorities until the 1900’s.) Influential among the German Jews who sold socialism to New York’s Russian Jewish immigrants were Justus Schwab, Johann Most, Sergius Schewitsch, the editor of the New Yorker Volkseitung., and others. Of particular interest is the fact that there existed an official Yiddish Socialist Post which exported Yiddish socialist periodicals banned in Russia back to the homeland from their publishing base in New York. This confirms the charge of the Czarist government that Jews in New York were exporting revolution back to Russia. It also confirms Michels thesis that socialism originated in New York and traveled back across the ocean to Russia rather than socialism crossing the ocean from Russia to the United States. The original Russian revolutionary organization Narodnaia Volia (“People’s Will”) had 226 members in 1885 of whom only 24 were Jewish. Jews were not the founders of revolution. It was only after Jews from New York began exporting socialism back to Russia that communism really took off.
Communism in New York is really the story of the Yiddish press. Because the Yiddish press in New York was so vast, involved such a large number of writers and was constantly changing as the journals and newspapers failed, shut down, re-organized and restarted again, only a brief survey is possible. However, a certain number of intellectuals and writers constantly wrote for the same columns so it is perhaps best to start with them. Among the more prominent writers, speechmakers and intellectuals were Jacob Schoen of the Yiddisher Arbeiter Fareyn, (the Jewish Workers Association), Mikhail Zametkin, a Russian-Jewish journalist, Morris Vinchevsky, a Jewish socialist from London, Avrom Lesin, the Yiddish poet and long time editor of Di tsunkuft, a Yiddish scientific and educational journal, Louis Miller, a labor lawyer and authority on Marxism, Morris Hillquit, the labor leader, Yankev Gordin, the playwright, Isaac Hourwich, another labor leader and Louis Boudin, another authority on Marxism. These men radicalized the New York Jewish community with Marxism. They had their opponents among the orthodox and conservative press. Chief among them was Kasriel Tsvi Sarasohn, the publisher of the Yiddisher Tageblatt. But there is no doubt that the vast majority of New York Yiddish newspapers were socialist to the core. We have already mentioned Di tsunkuft. Others were Di arbeter tsaytung published by Philip Krants and Abraham Cahan. Cahan later became the editor and virtual dictator of the Forverts (or “Forward”), the most influential Yiddish socialist newspaper of all (and still published today). Among the writers for these newspapers, in addition to the aforementioned, were Adella Zametkin, Anna Amitrin Ingerman (a member of Plekhanov’s “Group For The Emancipation Of Labor” in Russia), Benyomen Fagenboym, a leading Marxist orator and Emma Goldman.
In 1899 an earthshaking intellectual development in the history of Yiddish socialism occurred. In that year Chaim Zhitlovsky published his essay “Socialism and the National Question”. Zhitlovsky had come to the United States as a virtual unknown. He accompanied the famous Katerina Breshko-Breshkovskaia to New York as a fundraiser for the PSR (Party of Socialist Revolutionaries). Zhitlovsky’s innovation was to claim that Jewish national autonomy complemented socialist internationalism rather than contradicted it. Until then, the orthodox Marxist position had been (and still is) that Jewish nationalism, like all nationalisms, would disappear in an international “brotherhood of workers”. Zhitlovsky was not a Zionist, as he thought that national autonomy for Jews could be established in every country in which Jews lived, rather than requiring a Jewish national state in Palestine. Zhitlovsky further advocated the development of “Yiddish Kultur”, the idea that the universalized jargon of the Jewish working man should be raised to the status of a great new language. These ideas revolutionized the Jewish labor movement in both New York and Russia and led to divisions and disputes which have lasted to this day. As for Zhitlovsky’s further career it should be noted that his Jewish nationalism increased after the 1903 Kishinev pogrom. He joined an organization named “Rebirth” (or “Vozrozhdenia”) in 1904. In 1906 he became leader of the Jewish Socialist Workers Party (the SERP). By this time the Russian Jews were split between four revolutionary parties. These were:
(1) The Bund (the General Confederation of the Jewish Workers of Lithuania-Poland, formed in 1897) (33,000 members)
(2) The Zionist Social Democratic Workers Party (27,000 members)
(3) The Jewish Social Democratic Workers Party (Poale-Zion) (17,000 members)
(4) Jewish Socialist Workers Party (SERP) (13,5000 members)
Shortly all these groups were to coalesce into the Russian-Social Democratic Labor Party of Vladimir Lenin. As stated Zhitlovsky’s impact on Jewish revolutionary thought was profound. He established a newspaper, Das Naye Leben, as a competitor to the Forverts which lasted six years (1908-19`14). Zhitlovsky attracted some ardent supporters, including the anarchists Yisroel Kopelov, Moyshe Keats, Hillel Zolatarov and the non-anarchist, Yankev Merison. Zhitlovsky greatly influenced the Bund in favor of Jewish nationality, as distinct from Jewish nationalism. Inspired, perhaps, by Zhitlovsky, the publishing of Yiddish literature and Yiddish translations of socialist classics began in this period. The Kropotkin Literary Society translated one European socialist volume after another into Yiddish. The Chicago book publisher L.M. Steyn founded the Sholem Alecheim Institute and the L.M. Steyn Farlag.
Jewish socialist political organization was increasing side-by-side the advance in Jewish socialist literature. The Jewish Socialist Agitation Bureau was founded by Max Kaufman in 1905 and lasted until 1912. It became a focal point for Jewish nationalism when, after the 1905 revolution failed in Russia, large numbers of Bundists fled to the United States and joined the Agitation Bureau. Among these Bundists the leading lights were A.S. Zaks and Tsivion. In 1912 the Agitation Bureau joined the Socialist Party as its foreign language affiliate, the renamed Jewish Socialist Federation. The general secretary of the Federation was Yankev Salutsky. Prominent members of the JSF were Moyshe Ternan, Hannah Salutsky, (the wife do Yankev Salutsky), A. Litvak, Morris Vinchevsky, Max Goldfarb, Tsivion, Moishe Olgin, Baruch Charney Vladek, Dr. Frank Rosenblatt and Shaknye Epstein. The Socialist Agitation Bureau/Jewish Socialist Federation was generally opposed by Abraham Cahan and the Forverts as too nationalistic. In 1917 the JSF founded the National Workmen’s Committee as part of the preparations for the American Jewish Congress. It was opposed as too radical by the United Hebrw Trades and the Arbeiter Ring.The JSF published a newspaper “Der Naye Veld” (“The New World”).
Another extremely influential Yiddish socialist organization with a mass membership was the Arbeiter Ring, or Workers Circle, formed in 1892. It was founded by Moyshe Goldraykh, Sam Grinberg and Harry Lasker. It was a mutual aid and help society, broad based, tolerant of religion and which included many Jewish feminists. The Arbeiter Ring went national in 1902. Among its most important functions were promoting education among the immigrants. Its education committee was established in 1910. The committee produced the very famous “World and Humanity Series” (Di velt un di mensheyt”) published in 1915 devoted to scientific and political subjects. In 1914 the Workmen’s Circle Library was established. Thee were followed by ABC schools for teaching basic reading and writing skills. The education committee also prompted Yiddish culture. The Arbeiter Ring Choir and Free Yiddish People’s Theatre regularly performed socialist themes for the Yiddish masses. Yiddish schools were also sponsored by the National Jewish Workers Alliance (Yiddisher Natsyonales Arbeter Farband), an offshoot of Poale-Zion. These were the National Radical Schools formed around 1910. The Yiddish schools reached their height around 1920-1925, following the Russian revolution. They started to fail around 1924-1925, when Congress cut off immigration from Eastern Europe.
The Russian revolutions of March and November 1917 marked the climax of Yiddish socialism in New York. Immediately, large numbers of Jews traveled back to Russia to participate in the “liberation” of the land. Among them were Max Goldfarb who became General Petrovsky, Leiba Bronstein/ aka Leon Trotsky, Shakne Epstein, Moyshe Ternan, A. Litvak, Ber Borokhov and Eliyohu Tsherikover. The reader will note the large number of Bundist names. When the communists took over Russia, they made the Bund and other competing revolutionary parties illegal. The Bund then joined the Communist Party en masse This, however, did not take place until after the November 1917 seizure of power. The Bund, however, continued to enjoy an independent existence in adjoining Poland which escaped Soviet control until the conclusion of the Second World War. After communism triumphed in Russia organizational splits and upheavals rocked the New York Yiddish socialist world. The chief split involved the Jewish Socialist Federation which had joined the Socialist Party. The JSF joined the Workers Party which eventually became the Communist Party. The Communist Party then gradually pushed out the JSF personnel including its General Secretary, Yankev Salutsky (Salutsky later changed his name to J.B.S. Hardman.) and replaced them with hard-core communists. The Party attached great importance to Yiddish socialists as the “Red Army” which would staff the Party’s cause in America. However, as in the case of the Bund in Russia, the Party always took the orthodox Marxist position that internationalism would solve the “Jewish problem”. Jewish national and cultural autonomy had no place in the heavily Jewish communist hierarchy. This conflict between Jewish nationalism and Marxist universalism was to occur, again and again, in the communist world over the decades-and not just in the struggle with the Zionists.
YIDDISH SOCIALISM: IMPLICATIONS
We can think of no better way to sum up the implications of Yiddish socialism than to let Tony Michels words speak for themselves.
“For the better part of a century, from roughly the 1880’s to the 1960’s, radical movements and ideas played a major role in the lives of American Jews. Socialism was not a “one-generation” phenomenon, as most historians would have it.” (p.253)
The Jewish labor movements dual character-its universalism and particularity-wrested with itself constantly. Some individuals viewed socialism as a process of cultural assimilation; others considered it essential for Jewish national survival. Some imagined a world without Jews or other national groups; others anticipated an international brotherhood of peoples that included Jews…
A century later one is struck by the persistence of old arguments. A recent debate about the state of Israel attests, unresolved questions continue to burn even as specific applications change. (p.253)
Some disillusioned radicals broke ranks and joined older ex-socialists in becoming neo-conservatives. They would find a warm reception in influential Washington, D.C. think tanks and in the presidential administrations of Ronald Reagan and, more recently, George W. Bush…A thorough genealogy could trace a web of personal and organizational connections-from political parties and unions to schools and summer camps-that begins in New York’s tenement slums and stretches all the way to the White House, branching out in many unexpected directions along the way.” (p.259)
Here we have the history of the twentieth century in a nutshell-from Yiddish socialism in New York to Jewish neo-conservatism in Washington, D.C. It is the story of the failure of Marxism to the rise of Zionism. From the stretching of Marxist tentacles from New York to seize Russia to the stretching of Zionist tentacles from Tel Aviv to seize America, it is the story of the same Octopus which crushed Berlin.
julius streicher,
“You’ve been telling us, off and on, that you are: (1) not Jewish;
(2) that you are Jewish.”
i’m jewish, when have i ever said i wasn’t?
Research your own contradiictions on the previous thread.
“Research your own contradiictions on the previous thread”
This your dumb way of admitting I’ve made no contradictions?
moRon…do I come to where you work and slap the cocks outta your mouth?
make up your mind - like John Thames says…are you a “chosen one” or not? If you ARE…accept that the party is over; if not, stop being their useful idiot…or you end up where Bernie Kerik’s going…to jail with a nice virgin asshole, soon to be filled with huge syphilitic cock.
Or maybe I should order you a bib…
hanover
what do you do, humiliate yourself on this website and then leave in shame until you hope people have forgotten how stupid you are?
The only thing I leave in shame is your cock-riddled mouth, moRON…I was content to leave your cock-smoking ass alone for a little bit…but I see that you invoked my name needlessly…so now you’re my bitch again.
So…another whore steals $50 million from retirees…and WE’RE the bad people? Get back to the ghetto.
hehehehe I actually missed your screwball comments. At least you’re an imbecile who knows it. john is an imbecile who thinks he’s a “grandmaster” of something or other.
It get’s kinda tiring hearing old bigots like john defend his sleeping with 12 yr olds
john thames,
while y’all are fantasizing about screwing Spanish “13 year olds” why don’t you point out one of my famous: “contradiictions on the previous thread” about me saying I wasn’t jewish.
I think the title you’re looking for is Grand Wizard. He’s got a mahogany inlayed Ouija board with a jade and gold planchette. It’s one of the perks I’m told.
Hey Ronnie:
Wait until I post my review of “The Myth of Jewish Communism” by Andre Gerrits. You will be foaming at the mouth.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24
Note, Ronnie Dumb Shit, that with only one exception, age of consent in all American states in year 1880 was 10-12. Compare that with now and form your own conclusions.
You have several times on the previous threads claimed to be Catholic. You are too fucking dumb to even get that straight, just like Elie Wiesel escaped from five different camps simultaneously. Go back and read your own posts.
I see what the problem is here. John hasn’t purchased a new calendar in over 120 years. He’s still stuck in the 1800’s. He longs for such an enlightened time as when surgery involved leeches, a branding iron, and a leather strap to clench your teeth on for the pain. A time when asses were wiped with mail order catalogs, and good hygiene meant sharing a bath with your 18 siblings once a year.
“You will be foaming at the mouth.”
I actually find your error ridden posts fun, they give me a big sense of relief, that’s why I like this site.
Your lack of knowledge on all things business, legal, historic, scientific political etc make you the best spokesperson for antisemitism, racism, holocaust denial, creationism, 911-conspiracies, and now *gasp* pedophilia, I could wish for
(next to that dope hanover fist of course).
***
“You have several times on the previous threads claimed to be Catholic.”
You keep saying that, but you have failed to quote me even once - not once - because you can’t
Every time you make a mistake (hahaha read every post) I quote you - even though it’s from another thread. I do that because its so easy to find, copy ‘n paste your mistakes.
The false catholic claim is a canard, which is why you can’t copy ‘n paste it - it only exists in your mind - nowhere else.
“Compare that with now and form your own conclusions.”
Here’s my conclusion:
The age of consent has increased around the world, as we’ve modernized, in order to better protect children from old creepy pedophiles like you.
http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/have-you-read-goldstone-report.html
I see what the problem is here: you fucking asshats, once confronted with irrefutable evidence as to your scumbaggery, will simply pretend it doesn’t exist, instead preferring to set up stupid straw men to bulldoze.
Tomorrow…if you douchebags haven’t ignited the atmosphere with your pilfered nukes, you’ll have to deal with the UN citing your shitty little state as having committed WAR CRIMES.
How do you like me now?
THE MYTH OF JEWISH COMMUNISM
“The Myth of Jewish Communism” by Andre Gerrits is the latest academic attempt to explain away some well-known but highly sensitive facts about the Jewish overrepresentation in communism. Gerrits doesn’t try to explain away the facts outright as that would be impossible. Instead, he engagingly asserts that the documented facts about Jewish involvement in communism tells less about Jews than about the psychological dimensions of anti-Semites. The basic parameters of Gerrits approach is laid out in the opening paragraph of Chapter Three. He writes:
“Jews have played a role out of all proportion to their numbers in the socialist and communist movements in Europe. Their participation in the early communist regimes of post-1917 Russia and the countries of Eastern Central Europe after the Second World War, in particular, bolstered anti-Jewish sentiments. The myth of Jewish Communism became one of the most powerful and destructive political stereotypes in Europe during the first half of the twentieth century. The most crucial feature of a (xenophobic) myth, as discussed earlier, is that it renders the abstraction of the group as more real than any of its specific, individual components. On this basis, one could argue that the actual involvement of the Jews in the communist movements is of only minor importance for the study of Jewish communism. The myth of Jewish Communism tells us more about anti-Semites, and perhaps communists, than it does about Jews. It should be considered, first and foremost, in the tradition of politically motivated anti-Jewish thinking. If the question of Jewish communism is basically a chimera, a political fantasy, there would seem to be little need for historians to tread beyond either its mythical or fantastic dimensions. The problem is compounded by the fact that Jewish participation in the communist movement lacks a reliable, empirical basis. Figures are fragmentary and limited and therefore difficult to assess. Jewish communism is as controversial as it is elusive. No wonder then, that so few historians have risked burning their fingers by it.”
Let us analyze what Professor Gerrits has just said. He begins by admitting the basic fact under dispute – that Jews were very disproportionately involved in Communist movements everywhere. He then asserts that this fact has no significance in itself but tells us more about the anti-Semites and their evil mind set than it tells us about the Jews, those eternally innocent people. Thus, he converts a factual dispute already settled into an attempt to pathologize those who reason from facts to justifiable conclusions (e.g., the Jews did it). This short essay does not intend to review “The Myth of Jewish Communism” in its entirety but merely to indicate the general approach of the book. It is certainly not without merit. The volume covers a vast amount of material which, although not all-encompassing, provides more than enough evidence of where the “myth” of Jewish communism came from. However, the volume most definitely follows the usual apologetic techniques of trying to ascribe Jewish involvement in communism to particular circumstances rather than to inherent characteristics of the Jewish people as a whole.
“The Myth of Jewish Communism” is hardly unique in the general approach it employs. But it must be said that Andre Gerrits does an exceedingly good job in trying to explain away the unexplainable. The book is well written and superficially plausible. The slant is obvious, however. Despite the slanting all kinds of inconvenient facts keep popping up. Thus, Gerrits has to admit that various Jewish authors such as Jaff Schatz, maintain that there were important similarities between Jewish messianic ideology and communist ideology. He also takes note of “anti-Jewish” academics like Albert Lindemann, Kevin MacDonald and Yuri Slezkine who have written extensively on the Jewish involvement in revolutionary socialism. Andre Gerrits basic problem, as anyone who reads the book can tell, is that the facts are simply against him.
No matter how masterfully he writes, it turns out that “The Myth of Jewish Communism” was the “Reality of Jewish Communism”. Too many people saw the face of the murderous tyrrany up close for there to be any doubt. Andre Gerrits “The Myth of Jewish Communism: An Historical Interpretation” is an important book because it shows that a century old charge has yet to die. It never will die because the evidence in support of it is simply too vast to be explained away. The fact that the Jews feel compelled to produce an expensive academic paperback rebutting the charge shows how concerned over it they are even to this day. “The Myth of Jewish Communism” may be a response to Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together”; it may be a response to massive Internet publishing on the Jewish-Communist connection; it may be a combination of these things. It is unlikely that a better job of attempted refutation of the Jewish communist charge can be penned than “The Myth of Jewish Communism”. If the rebuttal fails – and it does – then the charge must be conceded as true. Andre Gerrits has given the subject his best shot. The reader who perceives the deficiencies of his account will have no further illusions on the subject of Jews and communism.
I have no desire to eliminate the technological marvels of the modern world, as Fang The Fuck alleges.. I merely possess the capacity for comparative thinking, something that you two dead heads lack. I am not about to go back over the thousands of words on the original posting site to find Ronnie’s dissimulations on his identity; I remember quite clearly that he did indeed originally deny Jewishness.
It should hardly be surprising that Fang and Ronnie cannot deal with facts; they can only deal in what they have been taught to believe. Both are pathetic little fools, enveloped by their own stupidities.
Fangfuck:
I just loved your description of the Warsaw Ghetto. The problem is: I do not live in it.
http://catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1693
Hey Ronnie:
Although I don’t have the same problem with early teen sex that you do, it is interesting that schmucks like you have one standard for your own offenders and a different standard for everyone else.
“I am not about to go back over the thousands of words on the original posting … I remember quite clearly that he did indeed originally deny Jewishness.”
In other words, you can’t find the quote. You can’t because no such post exists. If it did you could find it in seconds.
Whenever you write one of your stupid errors i find it in seconds, even if you wrote it a year ago on the other post. It’s real simple, just do a word search. It should take you all of 5 seconds.
Truth is, you can’t find it because you made it up, otherwise you’d have the quote.
“Although I don’t have the same problem with early teen sex that you do…”
Specifically you have a problem with prepubescent AND early teen sex.
Your problem is BIG, because if and when you’re caught you are going to jail Heheh or as they call it in spain: el juzgado.
“schmucks like you have one standard for your own offenders and a different standard for everyone else.”
I don’t have different standards.
In fact, I think it would be poetic justice for a nazi child predator like yourself to share a jail cell with the orthodox jewish child abusers in that article.
In your case it may be doubly so. The article points to the group which has gotten off easiest: public school employees. You could share a cell with other pedophiles, and maybe get yer dang GED.
hANOVER fIST,
Those douchebag, fifth columnist, quisling, mendicants are going to ignite the atmosphere with pilfered nukes. PILFERED nUKES!!!!!
How do you like me now?
I like you now as always!
I just loved your description of the Warsaw Ghetto. The problem is: I do not live in it.
That’s the problem? Really? All this time you wanted to live in the Warsaw Ghetto? Did they not let you or something? Is that why you have all this hatred for Jews? They wouldn’t let you live in their Ghetto?
Maybe they were trying to protect their kids.
Ronnie Dumb Shit:
As long as I engage in dissident thoughts rather than proscribed actions, I am not a criminal. As to “denying facts” did you notice Gerrits statement that Jews have been disproportionately involved in communist and socialist movements - an indisputable fact that you and your colleagues have been denying ever since this debate began? When it comes to denying facts, Ronnie, you deny really major ones - and then like to worry about such irrelevancies as Arabian geography and when income tax laws came in.
When I nailed you with the age of consent laws not so long ago, you try to accuse me of pedophilia and then have to throw in the towel and admit that I was right after all. Your bullshit gets weaker all the time, Ronnie.
Dear Fang:
Since you are impotent to deal with me on the facts, you resort to the born losers tactic of trying to accuse me of deplorable personal habits. You are really chewing the carpet now, boys. Hanover and I have destroyed all your twist think sophistries. You are dead in the water. You’ve lost - on everything.
When I nailed you with the age of consent laws
Who did you nail with age of consent? You said that an adult could have sex with a 13 year old in Spain. You were wrong. We showed the part of the law that explains that if you’re older than 18, your partner has to be at least 15. On top of that there are also laws to prevent the “corruption of a minor” through deception or abuse.
Specifically you were trying to prove that it was okay for Polanski to drug and rape a 13 year old girl. You were wrong. Who got nailed in this exchange?
Hanover and I have destroyed all your twist think sophistries
Your one ally here is a guy who thinks that Satan is his one true lord and master. The only thing Hanover destroys is his own credibility. Each and every time he posts he makes a mockery of himself.
“When I nailed you with the age of consent laws…”
You misstated the legal age of consent in spain. You were wrong, and I copied the spanish law a few inches above. I suggest you read it, Fang translated it for you.
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“you … admit that I was right after all”
I admitted you were right? When?
I suppose like the lack of proof of your fake catholic canard, you won’t be able “to go back over the thousands of words on the original posting”
Them word searches is tough!
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“As long as I engage in dissident thoughts [about sex with prepubescent children] rather than proscribed actions, I am not a criminal.”
John you are seriously f***** up.
“Hanover and I have destroyed all your twist think sophistries. You are dead in the water. You’ve lost - on everything.”
Hahahahahahahaha
John…beautiful stuff.
Your point on the twist think sophistries of those fifth columnist, quisling, mendicant, pilferers of nukes who have suborned our representatives could not have been presented better.
Now, to Fung:
You are a dullard - please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between JT, HF and sHAM wOW - we’re like a fucking huge fat ass walking into an ice cream parlour.How do you like me now biatch?
Now, to moRON,
You keep swearing you are a Zoroastrian - 127 in this post alone. JT has documented it 128 times in these posts alone, again SUBLIMINAL!!!!!
Now you CLAIM on a stack of Mahabharatas that you’re the “chosen one” fifth columnist, quisling, mendicant, pilferer of nukes who has suborned our representatives!!!!
Hanover JT and I have UNTWISTED your destroyed twisted sophistries once again so strap on your hockey helmet because we 0wn your leather cheerio, bitch.
“Hanover and I have destroyed all your twist think sophistries.”
Pedophile Man and Devil Boy
The dynamic duo
One would have to assume that they think my twist think sophistries are nailed firmly to the substructure of my heterosexuality. Clearly that was the point that both Han and John spent the most time on. Where my penis has been, what it looks like, and what I’m willing to do with my mouth has certainly been of great concern to the two. This of which John believes he has “destroyed.”
Are you trying to convince me that I’m gay so that you can have me for yourself, John? I’m not 13 you know.
Ouch!
John Thames is lookin’ fer a little “early teen sex” college boys won’t cut it.
Guess he’ll have to “engage in dissident thoughts [about sex with prepubescent children] rather than proscribed actions”
http://radioislam.org/sindi/typic.htm
Read this erudite destruction of your case.
Age of consent laws exist in many countries and in many permutations. The more general point is that age of consent laws were, for many centuries, considerably lower than they are now. That point stands completely unrebutted.
As to sexual fantasies, I have none toward either of you.I only wish you would grow up and face the fact that you are wrong. And in between arguing about who can fuck whom and at what age, where is the refutation of my review of Gerrits book?
Fang:
I don’t care about your sex organ any more than I care about your turds going down a toilet. Actually, I do not care about you at all. I just laugh at your ignorance of basic facts and the sophistry of your debating techniques.
Let me explain it to you very simply, boys. Here is how it is done.
Any cinematographer in the movies knows how to set up a composite shot. You shoot the “live action” against a neutral blue screen. Then you photograph the fake action or scenery and combine the two images. It is called a composite shot. Now, if you want to sell a hoax of six million exterminated Jews, first you need the “live action” or the actual facts. That means you need German camps, dead Jews, Zyklon B, real delousing chambers and crematory ovens. All provable; all true. Then you “paint on” a fake extermination program, a mythical six million dead and fake “gas chambers”. Then you combine the two images and sell it. And it does help if you have a kangaroo court run by your own tribe to back up the story.
See how easy it is?
John said:
German camps, dead Jews, Zyklon B, real delousing chambers and crematory ovens. All provable; all true.
…
That’s right, Fang The Fuck.
Now, since you are still too stupid to get it, here is the part you left off. Execution “gas chambers”, extermination program, six million dead Jews, not true. That’s the add on.
Now go to Hollywood and smile for the camera.
The more general point is that age of consent laws were, for many centuries, considerably lower than they are now. That point stands completely unrebutted.
So your argument is that Polanski is innocent of a crime because it wouldn’t have been a crime many centuries ago? What the hell kind of logic is that? It’s not a crime to eat people in some societies. Does that make it cool with you to eat people now? Can I come and burn your house down because cavemen were probably cool with it?
I mean seriously. You have to point back to a time when human lifespan was less than a half of what it is now to argue that it’s okay to have sex with prepubescent children? You’re going to rely on the expertise of people who thought that you could tell whether or not someone was a witch by tossing them in the water?
Moreover you’re going to try and use that as an example to show that it’s okay to drug such children and have sex with them against their will?
And I’m the moron?
I’m the one with sophomoric argumentative skills?
Right.
Fang You Stupid Fuck:
You really cannot be educated on anything, can you? Let me try to help you.
Standards of human behavior are always changing. What is acceptable in one time and place is considered outrageous behvior in another era. In short, points of view are subjective. Let us take sexual harassment hysteria as an example. In the 1960’s running around in obscenely provocative clothing and fucking everyone in the office was considered good, clean fun. Now making the slightest sexual comment or suggestion triggers an immediate lawsuit. To take another example. It used to be that making a baby on the company’s time led to immediate dismissal. That was considered a violation of the employer’s right to run his business without unnecessary disruption. Now, the conception is that the employer is practicing “pregnancy discrimination” if he objects to the imposition on the company’s time.
As to the caveman analogy I note that you don’t have any problem with Jewish cavemen doing precisely what you denounce to the Arabs of Palestine. You only denounce Nazi cavemen doing it to poor, innocent Jews. Now let’s deal with your misrepresentations on the Polanski case. Just as you cannot understand how other things have changed, neither can you understand how standards of rape have changed. Most of what is now called “rape” used to be called seduction. The difference was embodied in what used to be called “the reasonable woman” standard. The standard required the female to physically resist the seducer, not verbally resist. In other words, if she said “No!” but, in the abscence of force or the use of force, allowed the seducer to continue, there was no rape. It is a little bit like holding a cat in your arms. The cat goes “Meow! Meow! Please put me down”. But the cat allows you to continue to hold her. In the other case, the cat scratces violently with her claws and you drop her. Ditto with women.
Now, in the case of Polanski you are taking the accusers Grand Jury testimony as the basis of your argument. The purpose of a Grand Jury is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to bring an indictment. No one knows whether the testimony would have held up at trial because the case never got to trial. As to the nonsense that the girl was drugged, she freely admitted taking the drugs, taking the drinks and then claiming that she did not want to do it. I doubt the story very much. Polanski pled guilty to only one charge, sex with a minor. The other charges were dropped. The prosecutor reached a deal with Polanski; the star fucking judge then showed signs of backing out of the deal so Polanski ran. The crime, if any, was fairly minimal.
Your claim that the girl was prepubescent is likewise nonsense. Human biology is geared toward sex and reproduction during ages 10-14. Hormones are raging during those years precisely because nature intended for sex and reproduction to occur during those years. Not merely are sperm counts at their maximum during those years, so is elasticity of the vagina for child bearing. The basic problem is that nature’s dictates are at odds with society’s commands. Back in the days when people lived on the farm in a pre-cash economy, a man could suport a family by hunting, fishing or farming. With the advent of a cash industrial economy post 1880 (when the age of consent laws starrted to rise) that was no longer possible. But although it is no longer wise to encourage sex and reproduction at these ages, criminalizing the behavior is equally stupid (as are you).
Your basic problem, Fang The Fuck, is tat like most people, you cannot think beyond anything you have been told. You have been told that the Nazis killed six million Jews and do it must be true - all those people cannot be lying. You have been told that fucking ten to fourteen is a problem - but for millenia it was not. You are told that “No means No” but there was a time when - legally - no did not necessarily mean no. You are told that treating women as sex objects at work is a legal problem. But there was a time, a very short time ago, when women wanted to be treated as sex objects at work.
The old Soviet Union, Jewish commissar land, as I have demonstrated, had a technique known as “changing the Party lin”. They would preach one thing one year and then preach the exact opposite the next year. You seem not to perceive, Fang Fuck, the same technique, by the Zionist media in the US. Every decade they say the exact opposite of what they said the previousdecade. Fee love is in; then free love is out, etc.
Minds like yours cannot see the technique at work; I can. It matters not whether you or anyone else agree with any specific opinion of mine. What matters is to be able to think. That means, among other things, noticing how concepts and attitudes are manipulated and then reversed by those oblivious of the fact that the process is even taking place. And that means you, stupid shit.
EXPLAING AWAY JEWISH COMMUNISM
It is a marvel to read the sophistries by which learned historians try to “explain away” the overwhelming Jewish involvement in communism. Several classic examples occur in Andre Gerrits book “The Myth of Jewish Communism”. On pp. 140-141 he writes:
“The new political order in East Central Europe, not yet fully communist but under the political control of communist parties and their foreign masters, offered Jews unforeseen and unprecedented opportunities. Apart from their physical security (for which Jews depended on the communist-dominated governments) they profited in particular from the unique possibilities for social mobility, employment and political emancipation which the new order offered. Abel Kainer (pseudonym of Stanislaw Krajewski) emphasizes that few Jews as Jews chose for the communist regime in Poland. Those who participated in the new order (a minority among the Polish Jews who had survived the war, but the majority, most probably, of those who ultimately decided to stay) did so as individuals, mostly assimilated and, as Kainer asserts, often convincingly communist. Kainer lists a series of variables that can be read as partial explanations for why Jewish survivors were above average with respect to their receptivity to communist rule. Under post-war conditions, communism meant more than just acceptance by a community of non-Jews. Considering the situation in which most Jews found themselves immediately after the war (lacking housing and employment and boasting few relatives to fall back on), many relied heavily on support from the communist authorities…Jan Gross adds that: “They (Jews) certainly considered the Communist-dominated government as a natural ally, given the hostility of the social environment.”
On p.147 Gerrits writes:
“Immediately after their moment of greatest grief and disaster, Jews attained what they never attained before: formal positions of political power. At a time of almost existential crisis for most countries of the region – from the ravages of war and occupation to the subjugation to Soviet rule – Jews had returned with a vengeance, or so many believed. There were fewer Jews than ever but they seemed more powerful than ever. Jews appeared to be the main beneficiaries of the new order, profiting from the misfortunes of the East European nations…the notion of Jewish Communism appeared to have lost most of its pre-war mythical qualities. With the conspicuous role of Jews in most of the communist regimes, it seemed far more real than ever before – as biased and malevolent as this interpretation of communist rule my have been.”
Here we have the stereotypical effort to explain away the huge preponderance of Jews in communism as the product of particular circumstances, not as an inherent Jewish tendency. One might cynically comment that anyone who actually believes this should be looking for the proverbial bridge in Brooklyn to buy. It is no different, in essence, than the claims that Jews participated in the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 because they had been oppressed by the Czar and therefore, communism offered the best opportunity for liberation. Jews were simply availing themselves of the protection of a power which had saved them from the Nazis. Under the circumstances of the time Jews had to do business with the system which could clothe, house and feed them, so naturally they had to put on commissars uniforms. What else could they have done, as Messrs. Gerrits, Gross and others tell us? The Poles lacked the literacy to fill the upper level positions in the government, just as the Russians so lacked it in 1917, so the government just had to fill the positions with Jews. What did any Jewish pre-disposition for communism have to do with it?
This sort of apologia is utterly unconvincing. When juries in courtrooms hear these kinds of arguments from defense attorneys, they vote to convict. The Jews did not turn to communism because they were persecuted or because circumstances in individual countries made it conducive to their economic betterment. They turned to it because of their hate filled Talmudic tradition. Communism was never anything other than what the anti-Semites said it was – a Jewish attempt to tear down the non-Jewish world and to bathe it in blood. Andre Gerrits and similar academic hacks write endless pages trying to ascribe every possible motivation to Jewish participation in communism other than the real one. The intellectual gymnastics make for interesting reading but do not establish the case.
http://www.whale.to/b/no_holes.html
John…so easy to 0wn these putzes.
What…are we supposed to believe the evidence of our own lying eyes, or what these asshats assert to be the “truth”?
Did Alex Odeh deserve to be blown to bits by a pipe bomb, as Irv Rubin asserts: “he got exactly what he deserved”?
Hanover:
The other side is firing blamks - and they know it.
A MOST INTERESTING MYTH
Andre Gerrits book, “The Myth of Jewish Communism”: An Historical Interpretation”, is endlessly fascinating. A cynic might sum up his thesis as follow: “Jewish Communism was a myth, except that in innumerable particulars the facts support it.” That is quite a thesis. The reader frequently blushes while reading it. However, rather than impugn Professor Gerrits with mere allegations, we would prefer to let his words speak for themselves. In his final pages Andre Gerrits writes:
“The collapse of communism in Eastern Europe relieved the issue of most of its contentiousness. Jewish communism lost its taboo status and many of the politically inspired barriers for historical research were removed. The democratization of the former communist countries enabled historians to access archives and to dig up data on the actual participation of the Jews in the communist parties and regimes, which was previously regarded as a state secret. In general, the results of their research confirm earlier analyses: Jews were disproportionately present in the apparatuses of the early communist regimes in East Central Europe and Russia, in some parts of these regimes more than others…
Contemporaries and historians have tried to get around the unwelcome issue of Jewish communists in various ways. Many preferred to ignore it. Most Jewish contemporaries and a fair share of historians excluded Jewish communists from the history of the Jews. Communist ideologues exhibited the same reaction: they cleansed the history of communism from the Jews. Other contemporary observers and historians denied the Jewishness of Jewish communists. They developed the notion of the non-Jewish Jew. There were good reasons to deny some communists of Jewish descent their Jewishness. Many no longer considered themselves as Jews. Some never had. The notion of the non-Jewish Jew may apply to some Jewish communists but certainly not to all. It is a loose generalization. It cannot explain the different and often paradoxical motivations and ambitions of many radical Jews. It fails to recognize the different identities Jewish radicals combined, amongst them the combination of being both Jewish and communist. Jewish publicists and historians who took the identification of Jews with communism more seriously, did not so much accept the Jewish nature of Bolshevism, as they acknowledged the susceptibility of many (young) Jews to political radicalism…
The myth of Jewish Communism was one of the most popular and widespread political prejudices of the first half of the twentieth century, in Eastern Europe in particular. The myth conveniently elaborated on traditional anti-Jewish images: Jews as a mystical, subversive sect, set on undermining and controlling Christian society. But the myth was more than just the modern variant of an ancient prejudice. The notion of Jewish Communism combined traditional religiously inspired anti-Jewish sentiments with radical 19th and 20th century anti-Semitic ideas. Moreover, the Jewish Communism myth came in various shapes and forms: from the most banal and viciously racist interpretations to more sophisticated, even quasi-scholarly explanations. It appealed to many different people, not only to the lunatic fringe.
The Jewish world conspiracy and from 1917 onwards, the myth of Jewish Communism, flourished in a wider European context. From the mid-19th century the traditional worlds of East European Jews and non-Jews came under increasing pressure. These pressures generated enormous changes, within and between both parts of the population. The legal emancipation of the Jews in Central Europe, and later in most of Eastern Europe, emigration, urbanisation, economic modernization, the growth of a Jewish middle-class and of heavily Jewish dominated professions coincided with unsettling political developments such as the increase of nationalism, the formation of national states, as well as the advance of left wing politics (liberalism, populism, socialism) Jews entered non-Jewish society in unprecedented large numbers. The Great War and its immediate aftermath would intensify the impact of these changes: Europe’s old empires fell apart and individual Jews reached positions of high political power. No event would be as crucial to the dissemination and popularity of the Jewish Communism stereotype as the October Revolution in Russia. It all came together. The traditional order in Europe was not so much on the brink of collapse; it had already come apart. Conservative Europe grew obsessed with the threat of revolt and revolution, as well as those who seemed to be the chief beneficiaries of such changes: the Jews…
Jewish Communists were very visible, especially for those who wanted to see them. Relatively many communists of Jewish descent were employed in sensitive branches of the party and state: culture, propaganda and security. Finally, the participation of Jews in the communist parties rapidly diminished after communist rule was firmly established. In other words, Jewish communists were especially prominent during the first years of communist rule.: in Russia until the mid-1930’s and East Central Europe until the mid-1950’s and the onset of de-Stalinsation. The role of Jewish comrades was rarely discussed in public. The anti-anti-Semitic campaign of the late 1920’s in Soviet Russia, during which the persistence of anti-Jewish sentiments in Soviet society was partly explained by the disproportionate presence of Jews in the communist apparat, was truly exceptional. Otherwise, the issue was discussed only behind closed doors.” (pp.194-197)
Let us analyze this description closely. Andre Gerrits documents that Jews were indeed in leading positions in communist governments in every society in Eastern Europe, including Soviet Russia. He demonstrates that everyone in Europe, from the highest to the lowest classes, knew it. He even admits that some anti-Semitic material was of an intellectually superior character. Then he resorts, once again, to the shop worn techniques of ascribing the Jewish preponderance to historical factors. He is wise enough to realize that many Jews did equate their communism with their Jewish upbringing and that the two are not necessarily incompatible. But the necessary concessions to the truth do not get around the basic whitewash. Earlier in his narrative Andre Gerrits proposes a three-fold division of opinion on “Jewish Communism”. First, there are those who deny that Jews had anything to do with communism. Then there are those who claim that communism and Jews were synonymous. Finally, there are those, like Gerrits, who admit that Jews were deeply involved in communism but that this had nothing to do either with their Jewishness or the Jewish people as a whole. This facile approach can be criticized on many grounds. Jews worldwide were far more sympathetic to communism than Andre Gerrits concedes. One key fact impeaching his conclusions is the existence of a vast communist press published in Yiddish from 1880-1930. It was easily the most dominant language of political radicalism for half a century. It is impossible to believe that Jews did not have a preponderating connection with communism when the language of communism was the language of the Jews. Gerrits also labels as “xenophobia” the idea that there was an organized Jewish conspiracy against western civilization with capitalist and communist wings coordinating. Yet the reference works are full of documented statements by Jewish leaders that Jews are “a people, one people”. These statements stress that Jews are one, despite any ideological divergences between them. Not all these statements are by Zionists either. Jews have numerous international organizations, such as the World Jewish Congress, which rush to the aid of any Jew in trouble anywhere in the world. As even Andre Gerrits admits, the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 was interpreted by qualified observers of the time as virtually a “Jews conference”. That was the view of both Nesta Webster and Edward J. Dillon. Jewish scholars themselves, such as Oscar Janowsky and Carole Fink, have documented the immense Jewish organizing that went on at the Peace Conference. Gerrits would have the reader believe that Jewish Communism was but a passing phase in a movement that soon learned to dispose of the Jews. Yet the prominence of Jews in the key ministries of communist power, the terror and gulag sections, would appear to belie that conclusion.
In essence, Professor Gerrits is arguing that the universal opinion of the time was wrong about the “myth” of Jewish Communism. They were wrong, not in the sense that Jews were not disproportionately involved in communism but that they were collectively responsible for the phenomenon. One wonders how Professor Gerrits explains the fact that Jews worldwide demanded the destruction of Nazi Germany even before the war broke out but made no similar demand for the destruction of the Jewish commissars. “The Myth of Jewish Communism” puts the best face it can on ugly facts. It may explain them partially but it does not even come close to explaining them totally. “The Myth of Jewish communism” does document that there has been a very ugly cover up of a long denied fact. That is perhaps more significant than the attempted explanations about which the reader can form his own opinions. A force that can cover up its ominous participation in one of history’s most massive crimes is a force to be reckoned with. The reader may ponder what provable Jewish influences on the contemporary world, such as the drive to war in the Middle East, are similarly being covered up and denied. Shall another Professor Andre Gerrits feel compelled to write a book entitled “The Myth of Zionist Control of U.S. Foreign Policy”? One can only hope that such a volume reads as convincingly as “The Myth of Jewish Communism”..
Where is that Phd. shit-for-brain, Joseph Welch, to rebut my latestt postings?
My guess is that he’s got better things to do.
You on the other hand spend a good deal of your time trying to convince two people on the internet that you’re not insane.
And let me just say, you suck at it.
Fang The Brainless:
Until you can come up with the facts, I do not care what you think about anything.
There is nothing people dislike more than being proved wrong. I can just imagine how much you and your side kick hate me. It brings a smile to my lips.
I don’t hate you at all John. I laugh at you. I’m pretty sure Ron does too.
Just look at all this time you’ve spent trying to prove to the world that the Jews have a super secret conspiracy (on a blog thread that 2 people read) and all you’ve managed to convince us is that you’re out of your flipping mind. Each time you try to prove something wrong your arguments are easily shown to be full of errors, lies, and fallacy.
You’re a 9/11 truther, a Holocaust denier, a Pearl Harbor truther, A JFK truther, A misogynist, and now most recently a pedophile. How could you get more comical? Well, Han is more comical, that’s true, but you? You couldn’t get more comical if you tried.
Dear Fuck Heads:
Laugh all you like; I’m totally correct on everything; you idiots are totally wrong. Where is the rebuttal of Gerrits book? You don’t even try - with good reason. I loved the list. 100% correct on everything.
“Where is the rebuttal of Gerrits book?
You quote Gerrits as saying this (assuming the quote is accurate which it probably isn’t):
“Jews were disproportionately present in the apparatuses of the early communist regimes in East Central Europe and Russia”
You translate Gerrrits to say:
“Andre Gerrits documents that Jews were indeed in leading positions in communist governments in every society in Eastern Europe, including Soviet Russia.”
You are a dope who can’t even read their own quote right.
Now stay away from children you pervert.
“100% correct on everything”
heheh you sure are a “revionist”
Ronnie The Rabbi:
Gerrits says a lot of things in his book. Obviously, I cannot quote the entire book. He may not have said it in that one quote but he says it at many other passages in the book. Since you cannot rebut the point, you resort to your usual tactics.
How very pathetic you are. (And stay from unborn babies, yiou Jew abortionist.)
“Since you cannot rebut the point, you resort to your usual tactics”
The point is that you’re a dope who can’t even read their own stupid quotes right.
If Gerrits said anything close to what you’re saying then quote him and the page #. The fact is Gerrits didn’t say what you said, so you just made something up yourself.
Worse still, you were too dumb to even notice that you said something different.
That’s “revisionism” I guess
ps i’m not an abortionist
No, moRON…you’re an abortion.
Ronnie You Ever Lying Dick Head:
You do not have the book before you, you lying little shit, I do. I’ve read it; I know exactly what it says. I’m sick and tired of you and your twist the facts nonsense. Gerrits openly acknowledges that the communist regimes of Eastern Europe, 1945-1950, were der heavy Jewish domination and that this fact was directly responsible for the enormous anti_semitism of those years. It is mentioned in many places. Moreover, what he says is backed up by numerous other refernces I gave on the previous thread as, for instance, Professor Goinsberg’s lengthy quotation on same. Not merely are you lying, Ronnie, you are lying about territory already covered.
Now go fuck yourself.
Heheh john:
“I’m sick and tired of you and your twist the facts nonsense” and “twist think sophistries”
This isn’t really difficult ” john. You said:
“Andre Gerrits documents that Jews were indeed in leading positions in communist governments in every society in Eastern Europe, including Soviet Russia.”
That’s not what Gerrits said in the quote YOU provided. In the quote YOU provided Gerrits said something very different, he said:
“Jews were disproportionately present in the apparatuses of the early communist regimes in East Central Europe and Russia”
You made up a fact “Jews were … in leading positions in communist governments in every society …” and falsely attributed it to Gerrits, who said “Jews were disproportionately present in the apparatuses of the early communist regimes ….”
and stay away from little kids you dumb hillbilly pedophile
“No, moRON…you’re an abortion.”
hANOVER fIST…beautiful stuff. Your point on moRON being an abortion could not have been presented better.
moRON makes puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between JT, hANOVER fIST and sHAM wOW.
he keeps swearing he is a Mayan priest - 1,027 in this post alone. JT has documented it 4,400,765 times in this post alone, again SUBLIMINAL!!!!!
Hanover JT and I have UNTWISTED your twisted destroyed and twisted sophistries once again, which were twisted and are now untwisted.
So strap on your baseball helmet because we 0wn your leather cheeri0, b1tch.
hanover
Uh oh, more bad news from your post:
“What benefit will the world receive from Israel? If you can’t answer this question, kindly STFU”
A new portable electrochemical battery, that can produce thousands of hours of power, has been developed at the Israel Institute of Technology.
Ronnie:
Spare us the Talmudic dialectics. Gerrits says everything I claim he said in a 200 page book. I do not have to quote every page to prove the point. Besides, the documentation for the point is everywhere in the reference works.
As to the benefits of Israeli technology, you forget to mention all the technology they borrowed and/or stole from the US. What great “inventors” you kikes are.
What technology did they borrow and / or stole?
Is that the same as all western intelligence officials knowing that 9/11 was an inside job?
“I do not have to quote every page to prove the point.”
Hehe that sounds familiar. For your next act will you argue that Gerrits “several times claimed to be Catholic?”
At least you admit your quote didn’t support what you said Gerrits said. Good for you dumbo.
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“You forget to mention all the technology they borrowed and/or stole from the US.”
Ooo thanks for reminding me, there’s the new:
Nazi Child Molester False Quotation Alert System™
“A new portable electrochemical battery, that can produce thousands of hours of power, has been developed at the Israel Institute of Technology.”
Yeah…but where did they steal the research from? Didn’t you read the rest of that posting, douchebag? All Windows OSes created after Windows 95 B have something called NSAKEY installed, as well as other shit. This allows backdoor access to all such PCs with those compromised OSes installed. Do a search for PROMIS…you see just what I’m talking about here. I don’t give any goddamned credit to a shitty little state of scumbags who steal every “innovation” they come up with out of thin air.
So…moRON…BLOW ME when you try to impress me with that list of crap. In fact…I understand that Einstein, a PACKAGE CLERK, STOLE THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY…
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm
Just a snippet:
ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as “a rare genius,” who drastically changed the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as ‘The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,’ he has been made an idol to young people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.
THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On the contrary — he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled media made him a ‘hero.’
When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein, we find that his only ‘brilliance’ was in his ability to PLAGIARIZE and STEAL OTHER PEOPLE’S IDEAS, PASSING THEM OFF AS HIS OWN. Einstein’s education, or lack thereof, is an important part of this story.
The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein’s early education that he “showed little scholastic ability.” It also says that at the age of 15, “with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left school with no diploma.” Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his “lack of imagination and practical ability.” In 1895, Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich.
This exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still could not get a position at the engineering school!
Unable to go to the school as he had wanted, he got a job (with the help of a friend) at the patent office in Bern. He was to be a technical expert third class, which meant that he was not competent to hold a higher qualified position. Even after publishing his so-called ground-breaking papers of 1905 and after working in the patent office for six years, he was only elevated to a second class standing. Remember, the work he was doing at the patent office, for which he was only rated third class, was not quantum mechanics or theoretical physics, but was reviewing technical documents for patents of every day things; yet he was barely qualified.
He would work at the patent office until 1909, all the while continuously trying to get a position at a university, but without success. All of these facts are true, but now begins the myth.
Supposedly, while working a full time job, without the aid of university colleagues, a staff of graduate students, a laboratory, or any of the things normally associated with an academic setting, Einstein in his spare time wrote four ground-breaking essays in the field of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics that were published in 1905.
Many people have recognized the impossibility of such a feat, including Einstein himself, and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of the blue, because indeed that is the only logical explanation of how an admittedly inept moron could have written such documents at the age of 26 without any real education. THE TRUTH IS: HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS.
Therefore, we will look at each of these ideas and discover the source of each. It should be remembered that these ideas are presented by Einstein’s worshipers as totally new and completely different, each of which would change the landscape of science. These four papers dealt with the following four ideas, respectively:
1. The foundation of the photon theory of light;
2. The equivalence of energy and mass;
3. The explanation of Brownian motion in liquids;
4. The special theory of relativity.
Let us first look at the last of these theories, the theory of relativity. This is perhaps the most famous idea falsely attributed to Einstein. Specifically, this 1905 paper dealt with what Einstein called the Special Theory of Relativity (the General Theory would come in 1915).
This theory contradicted the traditional Newtonian mechanics and was based upon two premises:
1. In the absence of acceleration, the laws of nature are the same for all observers; and
2. Since the speed of light is independent of the motion of its source, then the time interval between two events is longer for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur at different places than for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur in the same place.
This is basically the idea that time passes more slowly as one’s velocity approaches the speed of light, relative to slower velocities where time would pass faster.
This theory has been validated by modern experiments and is the basis for modern physics. But these two premises are far from being originally Einstein’s. FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS A CONSTANT AND WAS INDEPENDENT OF THE MOTION OF ITS SOURCE WAS NOT EINSTEIN’S AT ALL, BUT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SCOTTISH SCIENTIST JAMES MAXWELL in 1878.
Fang The Stupid Fuck;
Here we have an instructive casse in point.
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0499/9904044.html
More For Fang The Stupid:
http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2008/11/israeli-missiles-target-us-aircraft.html
Notice how our “ally” consistently resells our technology to the Red Chinese.
More For Stupid Fang:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=56174
So Israel doesn’t steal out technology, does it? Let’s see. I am quoting “biased” sources like Washington Report and Arab News. Our own officials say the same but that doesn’t count. It’s just like me “misquoting” Andre Gerrits and Benjamin Ginsberg.
Poor Fang and Ronnie. They lose, over and over again, on the facts but can’t stop lying. Hanover is right about Einstein too. Another Jew “genius” debunked.
Ronnie Schmuck Priest:
If your nitpicking dumb ass ever gets around to actually reading Gerrits book you will discover that he devotes many pages in the latter half of the book to the preponderance of the Jews in the Eastern European Communist nations governments. End of point.
“If your nitpicking dumb ass ever gets around to actually reading Gerrits book”
John you dopey child fantasizing nazi, I don’t know what Gerrits’ book says, and don’t plan on reading any of it.
You (again) made up a fact:
“Jews were … in leading positions in communist governments in every society …”
Then you falsely attributed it to Gerrits, who in fact said:
“Jews were disproportionately present in the apparatuses of the early communist regimes ….”
Now stay away from playgrounds you pervert!
“Let’s see. I am quoting “biased” sources like Washington Report and Arab News. Our own officials say the same but that doesn’t count.”
actually, China and Iran are the most frequent international thieves getting their hands on classified U.S. military technology, according to documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/China-Iran-steal-US-technology-most-often-documents-show-66599722.html
p.s. yeah “arab news” biased source.
Y’all gotta learn to stay away from trashy websites like “arab news” and “david duck” and “stormfront” so you won’t say stupid things like:
“our own officials say the same”
when in fact they don’t.
Ronnie Lie Schmuck:
And where does China get its US technology? Why, by buying it from the Israelis. Get it now, lie schmuck?
Ronnie Lie Man:
Of course you haven’t read Gerrits book or any of the other literature bearing on Jews and communism - because then you would know that you’re wrong! Jews were in fact in charge of communism everywhere, Ronnie. In the USA the American Communist Party was always 40-80-% Jewish (there was a lot of name changing). In Argentina in 1919 there was a failed communist putsch where every one of the 14 communists was a first or second generation Jew. (Look up the names Pedro Wald and Novomyeski, Ronnie.)
Keeep on lying, Ronnie. You are utterly pathetic.
“And where does China get its US technology? Why, by buying it from the Israelis. Get it now, lie schmuck?”
Oh my, look out:
U.S. exports of advanced technology to China in 2008 were $18.7 billion; these accounted for 26.2% of total U.S. exports to China and 6.8% of total U.S. advanced technology exports.
Source: Congressional Research Service
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33536.pdf
Get in now Nazi Pedophile Who Doesn’t Know Jack But Claims to be a “Grandmaster”?
hehehe
Here we have an instructive casse in point.
First of all, your source is a second hand article about an article about a report? From ten years ago? Where’s the DAS report itself? Where’s the proof that the accusations were valid?
Ironically, the concept of the laser was first theorized by a guy that Han thinks is a moron. But I’ll address that in a different post if I feel so inclined.
Mao Zedong established the first Chinese laser program in the 60’s. Since that time they’ve focused a great deal of resources on the technology. Specifically during the time your article was written there was a massive military buildup in China. The main concern of the U.S. that our technology was being stolen was Chinese espionage, not Israel. And the fact of the matter is most likely that we got some of their technology in that same exchange…
After all if you want to go back farther, Reagan’s star wars program was in response to Russian technological advances. Advances that China had friendly access to.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15233
Some relevant excerpts:
The Clinton administration allowed the export of advanced radiation-hardened microchip technology, vital electronic components for military satellites and nuclear weapons, to Russia and China,” Smith wrote. The technology allowed China to build air-defense laser systems powerful enough to deliver an “estimated…10,000 watts of output power on a target up to 500 miles away.” Smith said the Chinese are preparing to deploy “an even more powerful ground-based laser by the year 2000.”
William Triplett II, co-author of the Chinese espionage bestseller, “Year of the Rat,” and a new book detailing Chinese military prowess called “Red Dragon Rising,” said he believed Beijing may have stolen some U.S. ASAT and laser technology, but indicated that in the end that may prove to be a small part of their developmental process.
Your second article is pretty funny.
It starts out by saying that Israeli cruise missiles (a technology that dates back to before WWII) are copies of American cruise missiles. It then says:
The YJ-62 ASCM outperforms most Western and Russian anti-ship missiles in terms of range and warhead mass, thought it is not clear whether the missile possesses the same accuracy and anti-jamming capabilities. Nevertheless, it demonstrates China’s capability to design and develop a world-class advanced anti-ship missile.
Looks to me like that’s not an American cruise missile. It’s one that’s purportedly better.
Ha No Ver
Where do you copy and paste this stuff from? It doesn’t even make sense.
“Einstein was an inept and moronic person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces.”
Right. (btw Stephen Hawking can’t tie his shoelaces, but no one says he’s moronic - although he’s no Einstein.
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“Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his “lack of imagination and practical ability.”.”
You are misquoting one of Einstein’s most famous statements. The full quote is:
“I imagine myself becoming a teacher in those branches of the natural sciences, choosing the theoretical part of them. Here are the reasons which lead me to this plan. Above all, it is my disposition for abstract and mathematical thought, and my lack of imagination and practical ability.”
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“Einstein’s education, or lack thereof, is an important part of this story.”
Lack of education? He was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich. Do you have a PhD in physics Mr. “i got a 91 on a test once”? Do ya?
Einstein was invited by Max Planck to be the director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Physical Institute. Are you saying Max Planck wasn’t as astute in physics as you?
The Nobel committee awarded him the Nobel prize for physics, were they not as savvy in physics as you?
Why would you pick on poor Al?
Because he’s jewish perhaps?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring.html
More bullshit boys. Your oral anus is leaking afain.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Jewish.Stars.Over.Hollywood.htm
Proof that the Jewish Communists ruled Hollywood - and still do.
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/dec/01/00016/
Another philo-Semitic apologia demolished.
moRON…moRON…moRON
Sometimes I think you are too thick to understand stuff you yourself sputtered:
“Ha No Ver
Where do you copy and paste this stuff from? It doesn’t even make sense.”
You write that, yet you address questions to me. I don’t assert this point; I merely posit its veracity. You, of course, go immediately into Yid-Defense Mode, like a battered wife. Why not address the issue and address the issuer?
John Thames…nice link. This I can address directly, as I do have information on the Israeli Art Student Spy Ring. Now, this I can verify as true and as a huge act of SCUMBAGGERY by our “pal in the Middle East”. For this alone, I’d remove from public office ANYONE and EVERYONE purporting to have “dual-citizenship”, because…
…NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS.
That AmCon piece is sheer poetry, JT - allow me to return the favor…
http://ncoal.com/blog/?p=500
Let’s see…cogent facts versus…absolute bullshite.
Why not address the issue and address the issuer?
That’s a great question. Why did you just address the issuer, and not address the many flaws he found in that ridiculous piece that you copy and pasted here? Ron asserted that:
1. Ability to tie shoe laces is not a marker for intelligence
2. The piece misquotes Einstein.
3. Einstein did not have “a lack of education”
4. Einstein was regarded highly by peers.
5. The only reason you smear him is the specter of his Jewishness.
Hanover’s argument style:
Step 1: Hate Jews.
Step 2: Surf Jew hating sites
Step 3: Skim the first paragraph of an opponent’s post
Step 4: Copy and paste someone else’s work that you skimmed in response.
Step 5: Talk about the opponents sexual orientation, talk about the opponents genitalia, make up school yard insults involving manipulation of the opponent’s name, or assumed intelligence.
Step 6: Complain that the opponent doesn’t address your talking points,
Ha No Ver
“you address questions to me”
Of course I addressed the questions to you, you posted it.
You also admit you “posit its veracity.” So let’s see you defend the veracity of what you posit - claims which on their face scream:
“this is for ignorant, gullible, jew haters only”
Answer any or all of the questions Einstein expert:
why did you claim Einstein lacked an education when he earned a PhD in physics?
why do you claim Einstein was “an inept and moronic person” when he was awarded a Nobel in physics?
Why would Max Planck personally invite Einstein to be the director of a leading physics institute?
Why are you so dumb and gullible that you suspend any criticism to “posit the veracity” of obvious nonsense?
Fang,
You left out step 7 Last, deny being rabidly anti-jewish! “I don’t hate anyone for being anything. But that’s my personal philosophy.”
a joo’s philosophy
1. a joo can never do anything wrong
2. see step 1
3. gentiles are our sheep
Ha No Ver
I don’t blame you for not wanting to take credit for that piece of crap you posted.
Guess what, Fung - I’m not gonna play your silly ass game. Pose these questions to C.J. Bjerknes, not me…I SAID, if you can actually comprehend written speech, that I was an expert on the ISRAELI SPY RING…not Einstein, einstein.
You see how that works?
Why would I take credit for someone else’s work? That’s what you tools do.
Hanover
So what’s the deal with the israeli spy ring einstein?
Or are you going to say something to “posit the veracity” of it, and then run away when it’s pointed out how stupid it is?
“Pose these questions to C.J. Bjerknes”
You’re the idiot who posted that crap about einstein, not him. Besides how are we to know that he wrote it and not you?
We don’t all have your privileged access to “strictly suppressed ouija boards” ya know.
Guess what, Fung - I’m not gonna play your silly ass game
What game are you talking about? Are you now trying to claim that you can’t take responsibility for the crap you support?
You wrote: I understand that Einstein, a PACKAGE CLERK, STOLE THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY…
You then posted some other dude’s insane rant as evidence to support this statement. Now that we’ve pointed out how stupid those claims are you claim that we’re playing games with you?
Han, you are a never end source of self parody. You really are the sheep that you think we think you are.
Heh heh.
A package clerk.
You really are something, Han.
He WASN’T the fellow who thought up the Theory of Relativity, shiteyes.
And as for the Israeli Spy Ring being a fantasy…there are about 97% of my intelligence services who would beg to differ…especially the DEA agents who were stalked by said spies.
“He WASN’T the fellow who thought up the Theory of Relativity, shiteyes”
You don’t know crap about physics - and you already look foolish saying einstein lacked an education - why bury yourself deeper?
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“And as for the Israeli Spy Ring being a fantasy…there are about 97% of my intelligence services who would beg to differ”
You haven’t said anything about the israeli spy ring other than a made up statistic about “my intelligence services.”
Just how many intelligence services are yours anyway?
Come on hanover, you told us you got a 91 on a test once, you’re better than a ranting jew hating fanatic.
my intelligence services
Judging by your performance here, they are doing you a disservice. I think you should drop them and go with a different provider.
Hanover;
You’ve made the case. These dorks will never concede even when they are caught with their dicks up their assholes. I’m sure you red Ronnie’s pathetic efforts to rebut Gerrits book. The same drivel, over and over.
Of course, John…these pathetic dicks just attempt their sophistry over and over again. They think that they’re two-bit Obi-Wans trying a Jedi mind trick…
“Steel-framed buildings CAN collapse from fire…”
“Those Israelis who found the private residences of DEA agents aren’t spies…”
“Passports survive conflagarations that can damage an indestructible black box…”
“Taking a juicy load to the throat doesn’t make you a cock-smoker…”
“Our tribe would never collude to defraud the world and give each other Nobel Prizes and PhDs and “peer-review” each others’ completely factless propaganda…”
“I will insist that you defend someone else’s statement even when you clearly post a link separating your comments from referred text from another personage…”
“These are not the fund-stealing, child-blood drinking, scat-loving, lying sacks of shite you’re looking for…”
You guys are the ultimate asshats. To think that you fucking mendicants could “magic” away my 60-page document providing NAMES, DATES, TIMES OF ATTEMPTED INFILTRATIONS of your retarded countrymen who, if it is to be believed, located the homes of the various intelligence personnel COMPLETELY AT RANDOM, selling “paintings” they didn’t even create, for exhorbitant amounts.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU GODDAMN NITWITS?
Do you really think that John Thames and I are going to wake up one day and say, “Gosh…we’ve been such silly geese! Of course open-air jet-fueled fires can melt steel! Of course the Holocau$t happened as stated - why would someone lie about that?”
Every bloody day, some new facet is peeled from the lie factory you pieces of garbage have built. Keep adhering to your stupid lies…I hope you are all buried in the rubble when it all comes crashing down.
What 60 page document are you talking about, Han? Am I supposed to use my Ouija board to know what it contains?
“I will insist that you defend someone else’s statement even when you clearly post a link separating your comments from referred text from another personage…”
You are such a fool. Yes, it is pretty important to be able to back up the shit you say. When you post crap like that as your back up we’re going to point out that it’s crap. This complaint that you shouldn’t have to support the stuff you support is idiotic. Why the hell do you bother to post that shit if you don’t believe it? Are you just trying to fill up your post with words other than cock and ass?
Hanover;
You’ve made the case.
Yeah, he made the case that Einstein was a moron by posting someone else’s work that was obviously full of errors. Now he’s trying to make the case that since the things he posts aren’t his own he doesn’t have to justify them. It’s a completely illogical statement given that he wants these works by other people to justify what he says. It’s a clear admission that his ideas are founded on unsupportable garbage, and he doesn’t care because he believes them
Now he’s on some tear about how we haven’t addressed some supposed article he wrote that he hasn’t posted here for review. Does this make sense to you, John? He can’t support the things he says when he shows us the foundation of his thought, and so now he’s just raving about random topics we haven’t even begun to explore, and rehashing old canards that were completely crushed years ago.
This insane lunatic is your compatriot, John.
What does that say about you?
“I will insist that you defend someone else’s statement even when you clearly post a link separating your comments from referred text from another personage…”
You don’t only “post a link separating your comments”, you add extensive comments, you defend them, and you admit that you “posit its veracity.” Then run away from them when pointed out they are wrong.
If you won”t defend the information you post, why do you bother?
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“Do you really think that John Thames and I are going to wake up one day and say, Gosh…we’ve been such silly geese! ”
When you post and defend stuff like: Einstein lacked an education, Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea, and ouija boards have been suppressed, a “new facet is peeled from the lie factory you pieces of garbage have built.”
Silly goose!
Who’s running away from you cock-smokers?
You refuse to actually deal with factual information provided by either John Thames or I, and your only responses smell of sophistry; so we are just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
Don’t bitch and moan about it, load-chokers…just bend over and enjoy the pinch.
“Wahhhh….he won’t play fair!” What a bunch of whiny bitches you all are. You haven’t answered a SINGLE GODDAMNED THING John have I have ever posited to you.
Guess what?
Albert Einstein was a lying scumbag who propagandized for Israel.
You fucking asshats were born on a ouija board.
YOU SEMEN-SOAKED NITWITS HAVEN’T PROVED A SINGLE BLOODY THING I EVER POSTED HERE AS WRONG.
If you disagree with this, I want a list. Said list should contain THINGS I’VE WRITTEN…not references to “ouija boards” that were obviously part of someone’s else’s posting, dumbasses.
moRON…you last statement is comedy gold:
According to you own stupid standards, he DID lack an education…Einstein also married his cousin…was that to keep all of that good learnin’ in the family?
You should grease up your anus and plug it with an ouija board.
You refuse to actually deal with factual information provided by either John Thames or I,
Forgive me for only dealing with the non factual information provided by either John Thames or you. It’s just that examples of your disinformation are so copious and absurd that they are hard to overlook when trying to point out that you are out of your mind. I could see how my constant refusal to accept such disinformation for its face value would be frustrating to you. I’ll have to admit it took a lot of gall to use the things you posted and the things that you said against you. From this sentense on I will address each and every piece of factual information that you have provided up until this point:
All of this quibbling in regards to the death totals during the bombing of Dresden is besides the point - it was WRONG to inflict this needless warfare upon a civilian population, much as it was wrong during the Armenian genocide, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the current genocide occurring in Gaza and the West Bank.
FUCKING WRONG, period.
You’re right. It was wrong for the Germans to inflict needless warfare on a civilian population of Jews. It doesn’t matter how they were killed, or exactly how many were killed. It was fucking wrong period.
There. Now you can no longer claim that I did not address your factual information. From now on I will endeavor to refrain from using examples from your posts that clearly show that you are out of your mind in order to prove that you are out of your mind.
“YOU SEMEN-SOAKED NITWITS HAVEN’T PROVED A SINGLE BLOODY THING I EVER POSTED HERE AS WRONG . . . According to you own stupid standards, he [Einstein] DID lack an education”
In 1901 Einstein received his diploma from the Swiss Federal Polytechnic School in Zurich.
In 1905 Einstein obtained his doctor’s degree in physics from the University of Zurich.
In 1909 Einstein became Professor Extraordinary at Zurich.
In 1911 Einstein became Professor of Theoretical Physics at Prague.
In 1914 he was appointed Director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Physical Institute and Professor in the University of Berlin.
In 1933 Einstein became a Professor of Theoretical Physics at Princeton.
In addition, Einstein received honorary doctorate degrees in science, medicine and philosophy from many other European and American universities.
Einstein was highly educated at the leading schools in the world. What you posted has just been proved wrong, nitwit.
The document detailing most of this information was an internal DEA memo: a 60-page report drawn up in June 2001 by the DEA’s Office of Security Programs. The document was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it was leaked to the press as early as December 2001 and by mid-March had been made widely available to the public.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html
Oh boy this is funny. Am I allowed to point that Han tried to claim that he’s a DEA agent, or is that something that he wrote in his post and is therefore off limits?
And uh…this guy:
And, just as our incredulous DEA agent noted, what intelligence useful to Israel could be gathered from DEA offices, anyway?
He must be in the 3% that Han was talking about.
I love it when you choda-surfers run off at the mouth.
hANOVER fIST a DEA agent? Not in this lifetime, scatface.
When I referred to the intelligence agencies as “my” agencies, I made reference to the fact that I am an AMERICAN, you fuckwads. The Mossad is your bread and butter.
Let’s go back to ol’ Al’s “education” - honorary degrees are like phone sex…you might get off, but there are no tasty juices left over…no “stink finger”, if you get my meaning.
Oh…you probably don’t, considering “sex” for you towel-boys is pissing on images of Jesus and calling it comedy.
Honorary degrees…doesn’t G.W. Bush have a couple of those? Are you willing to put that stuttering dope fiend on the same level with your Zionist propagandist?
Once again, for the retarded in the room…those allusions to Einstein’s lack of education are those of the author; I agree with him. As Ryan Dawson says…”all roads lead to Israel”.
“Let’s go back to ol’ Al’s “education” - honorary degrees are like phone sex . . .”
You left out, of course, the other education:
In 1901 Einstein received his diploma from the Swiss Federal Polytechnic School in Zurich.
In 1905 Einstein obtained his doctor’s degree in physics from the University of Zurich.
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“those allusions to Einstein’s lack of education are those of the author; I agree with him.”
…and once again you’re wrong. Einstein earned a diploma and a PhD, then went on to teach at leading schools around the world, and then received honorary degrees from other leading schools based on his distinguished work.
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“allusions”
Stay away from the big words when you’re not wearing your hockey helmet, you might hurt yourself.
When I referred to the intelligence agencies as “my” agencies, I made reference to the fact that I am an AMERICAN, you fuckwads
What you did was underscore your inability to communicate. For someone who claims intelligence, you sure do have difficulty conveying it. Not only did you say they were your agencies, you also said it was your report.
To think that you fucking mendicants could “magic” away my 60-page document providing NAMES, DATES, TIMES OF ATTEMPTED INFILTRATIONS of your retarded countrymen
I know that 60 pages is a lot for you to read. Your average seems to be the first few sentences of a paragraph. If you had read it you would have known that the report claims that they had no clue what the group was up to, let alone know as fact that they were under surveillance by Israeli government agents.
Even if they were though, governments spy on each other. It’s what they do. How does that make Israel any more nefarious than any other nation? Hell, here in America Democrats spy on Republicans and vice versa. I’ll give ya that it’s shady, but it’s not because they are Jewish. It’s because they are human. Just take your pal John who likes to spy on 13 year old children at the park. Does that make him a filthy Jew?
As for your Einstein tangent: Dude, I have my doubts you’ve ever walked past a higher learning facility, let alone know what it takes to be the director of physics for Germany’s Wilhelm institute, or a professor of physics at the University of Berlin.. It’s telling though that your revisionism necessitates the devaluation of great minds like Einstein’s. Why is the idea that Einstein could be brilliant so dissonant with your views? Is it just because he’s Jewish? Is it because he defected from Germany and worked for the Americans, just like many other prominent German scientists? Were all the German scientists morons, or was it just Einstein? I mean, Von Braun didn’t do well in Physics when he was in boarding school. Does that mean he wasn’t a premier rocket scientist after he was captured and defected to America? After all, he got his Phd from the university of Berlin and Einstein was a professor there. Maybe he’s dumb too.
Don’t even need to respond to such mendancity - I’ll let the CIA do it for me: http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/12640/the-cia-no-longer-trusts-jews-and-for-good-reason/
Once again…you fucking lackwits try to set up your straw men. How would you be expected to locate some 60-page report that I personally produced? Such obvious scumbaggery.
Richard Goldstone couldn’t soften the blow enough…I will crack open a beer as war crimes are entered against Israel by the Hague.
And…besides your lickspittle assessment; exactly what makes Einstein so great, in the face of the FACT that he stole the theory of Relativity from a greater Italian scientist? Ask Fung to find it for you, moRON…and thanks for finding that report. I need to print out more copies to hand out to my fellow Americans. We hope to find you fifth-columnists and throw your traitorous asses out.
I see you have no problem with espionage…but real Americans tend to differ…that’s why Jonathan Pollard can hope to die in a shit-caked hole.
I see you have no problem with espionage…but real Americans tend to differ
Jesus Christ, you utter moron. William F. Buckley, considered by some to be the father of modern conservatism, and a man I highly admire, was a spy with the CIA.
George Bush Sr., President of the United States was the director of the CIA, the American spy agency. Americans don’t have a problem with espionage. We have a problem protecting our secrets. But that’s the price to pay for living in an open society. Your Nazi buddies, on the other hand, had some differing opinions about that and look how they ended up.
“And…besides your lickspittle assessment; exactly what makes Einstein so great”
Is this an admission that you were wrong, and that Einstein did have an education?
And what exactly do you mean when you say Einstein “stole the theory of Relativity from a greater Italian scientist?”
Since when were Bill Buckley and King George “real Americans”? The one was a kosher conservative fraud; the other was a dumb donkey pulled around by his Israel First neocons.
George Bush Sr. wasn’t and isn’t a neoconservative. Nor was he “pulled around” by them. In fact, he pissed them off quite a bit.
Or is that just more of your fact based revisionist history?
David Horowitz is an idiot
by Matt Giwer, © 2006 [December 16]
Horowitz is at a minimum ignorant of history. Studiously so regarding the Near East. But let me show you rather than just tell you.
If the article disappears from Frontpage.com you can find it here. I have not misquoted it. I have not misrepresented it. This is a wonderful opportunity to address the real history of the Near East while at the same time pointing out Horowitz deliberately confuses post 1967 West Bank with pre-1948 Palestine. Carter talks about post 1967 and Horowitz responds with (largely false) pre-1948 material. Front Page Magazine
Jimmy Carter: Jew-Hater, Genocide-Enabler, Liar
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 14, 2006
Even as Islamic Hitlerites gather in Iran to deny the first Holocaust of the Jews and to plot the second, former president Jimmy Carter tours America with a new book that describes Jews as racists and oppressors, and suggests they are also a conspiratorial mafia that intimidates “critics,” controls America’s media and war policy, and are therefore also the source of Islamic terrorism and the Arabs’ genocidal campaign to eliminate them from the map of the Middle East.
Hitlerites? I have no idea when that word went out of style in the US. I was born in 1945 and never heard it until a few years ago I when I started looking into the geopolitics of WWII. (The geopolitics is like sausage and the law. It is nothing like you have been told. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.)
But even worse he shows total ignorance of politics of the Nazis. One would think a Jew who is so ready to use such a label would try to become familiar with the subject. Nazism is about the last political system that could take root in the Middle East. They can’t be accused of wanting a theocracy and Nazism at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. Only a very stupid person would use “Hitlerite” to describe them.
Look at how casually “plot the next one” is inserted. The entire meeting was open to the public and there was plenty of press coverage. No such thing happened but Horowitz has no problem lying while calling others liars. This is a quite malicious lie in the west where the holocaust is sacred and ritual profession of faith in it is mandatory in public.
In other words, Americans beware of the Jew in your midst.
I have not read the book. I have read several of Carter’s interviews about the book. I have read him describing the kind of attacks contained in this article. Carter could not ask for a better example to prove his case.
But from the number of lies in the one article I do suggest “Beware of a David Horowitz in your midst.” He is one of the more infamous liars about Iraq leading up to the conquest of Iraq. Lying does come quite naturally to him. The over 3000 dead Americans in Iraq are as much his fault as anyone’s.
Here is Carter’s description of the Middle East conflict in his own words, delivered during an interview he gave on National Public Radio during the second day of the Holocaust deniers’ conference in Teheran:
“I have spent a lot of time in Palestine in recent years. … The Palestinians have had their own land, first of all, occupied and then confiscated and then colonized. They’ve been excluded from their own gardens and fields, and pastures and churches. They have been severely restrained in their movements. They have to have different kinds of passes to go through different checkpoints inside their own lands on their own roads. The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.They connect these settlements with very nice roads for the Israeli settlers, and then superhighways and so forth going into Jerusalem. Quite often the Palestinians are prevented from even riding on those roads that have been built in their own territory. So this has been in many ways worse than it was in South Africa.”
When hundreds of millions of Muslims are calling for the extermination of the Jews of Israel this is more than a lie; it is a blood libel.
He does not deny anything Carter said which is good because it is all true. In fact when he discusses the wall below he admits everything Carter is true but attempts to justify it. But he calls the truth blood libel. Does he expect to be taken seriously? Of course he does as he is in our midst.
Also note it is very clear from the statement that Carter is talking about the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem. The Israeli Supreme Court says it is occupied. The Israeli Attorney General says it is occupied. This began in 1967 and events prior to 1948 have nothing to do with it.
It is a lie that Palestinians “had their own land, first of all, occupied.” This is like saying that Texans had their own land occupied by Hispanics, ignoring the fact that Hispanics were there first. The very word Palestine is a Roman appellation for the people called Philistines, who were not Arabs but red-haired sailors from the Aegean. The Jews were there as well.
The gentleman is ignorant of history. The first mention of these people are as the Palestine Syrians by Herodotus in the mid 5th century BC. Herodotus never came across any people who could have been the Jews in his travels through the region. The word Philistine appears in the corruption of the Jewish Old Testament.
And as Carter is clearly talking about the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem which Israel agrees is occupied he is challenging the formal legal position of Israel itself. And that occupation began in 1967 so he is deliberately discussing the wrong thing.
In short, first of all the Jews were in the land before the Arabs.
In short, he is very wrong. By real history we have no evidence Jews were in the region 2500 years ago. By real history the Judeans of Roman times simply converted to Christianity and later to Islam. The Palestinians and Sephardic Jews are genetically brothers. Ashkenazi Jews like Horowitz are unrelated to either. They are not descended from the Jews of Roman times.
Second of all, the Arabs who inhabited the Palestine Mandate in 1948, at the time of the creation the state of Israel, considered themselves Syrians.
As above this tradition goes back to Herodotus. They are the Palestine Syrians. In fact save for a short period of errors in Roman times the region called Palestine was ruled from Damascus. Even under Islam, save for the Crusader period, it was ruled from Damascus. Damascus was in turn ruled from Turkey in Ottoman times. That was the hierarchy.
While it might be excusable in some sense not to know ancient or medieval history it is not excusable to be ignorant of modern history. Both Lebanon and Palestine were carved out of the Damascus governate of the Ottoman empire. Syria’s original refusal to recognize Israel was its historical claim, going back at least 2500 years, to Palestine and to the Israel planted in Palestine. This also explains Syria’s interests in Lebanon. Syria never agreed to France carving out Lebanon in the vain hope of creating a Christian majority country. Nor did it agree to Britain carving out Palestine to satisfy the Balfour declaration. The Balfour declaration was to give Palestine to Europeans.
Third, the Palestine Mandate was not created on land taken from the Syrians or the Arabs. It was taken from the Turks.
Who it was taken from as a governate is separate from whose private property was taken by Jews for themselves from non-Jews. It was taken from Palestinians landowners. This is what we call theft plain and simple. As it was done by murdering the reluctant and driving out 750,000 Palestinians and then murdering those who tried to return to their property one can see why the owners were and remain a touch upset. When lawful means of recovery are not possible violent means are permitted.
It was not taken from the Turks by the Jews, but by the British and the French. They took it because Turkey sided with Germany in the First World War and, of course, lost. The Turkish empire had ruled the entire region including Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan for four hundred years before Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan were artificially created by the English and the French. Jordan - a state whose majority is Palestinian - occupies 80% of the Palestine Mandate.
So it is a preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and that it was occupied by the Jews.
But to sell his worthless excuse he sticks with who ruled the land rather than who owned the land and pretends Carter is talking about Mandate times rather than post 1967 times. What does it matter who ruled it? Individuals and tribes owned it. That private property was in fact stolen by Jews. They may have been murderous Zionist Jews but they were Jews.
The Syrians have been around for at least 2500 years, those called Assyrians even longer. The idea France and Britain created Syria is ignorance of history beyond belief but I can’t prove he knows he is lying.
But as he does not list Palestine as an artificial creation he must know something of the real history of the region. This is a strong indication he is lying.
Fourth, the individual plots of land that Jews now own were in the first instance bought from the Arabs who regarded themselves as Syrians and who lived in the area of Israel. The only property that was confiscated was confiscated as a spoil of the aggressive war that five Arab states waged against Israel from the day of its birth. Five Arab armies invaded Israel, a sovereign state, with the declared intent of “pushing the Jews into the sea.” The cry today of the Muslim majority in the Middle East is to “liberate Palestine from the river to the sea.” In other words push the Jews into the sea.
Land was taken as spoils of war. OK, the right to govern as a consequence of conquest was first renounced by members of the UN and Israel was a member of the UN in 1967. But that is only the right to govern. It is nothing else. Is absolutely NOT the right of ownership. Claiming actual ownership contributed to many people being hanged at Nuremberg.
As for being bought, about 3% was in fact bought and lawfully owed by the European immigrants. That means 74% of the land was stolen leaving 23% as the West Bank and East Jerusalem. And this was done in 1948 nor did it have UN approval, only sovereignty had UN approval. In fact the UN specifically required the return of the Palestinians to their private property.
Israel passed land laws declaring land whose owners were absent for a few years became state property. And then of course the European immigrants murdered any owner trying to return. They even killed citizens of Israel who were driven into ghettos if they tried to return to their land and claim it. Thus by murder Israel had the color of law to claim ownership.
But even if someone is foolish enough to buy into his confiscated land idea Carter is still talking about post 1967 times not pre-1948 times when Israel did not exist. Even if someone is foolish enough to buy into his confiscated land idea the Palestinians are the only people who did not send an army against the Jews so there is no justification for confiscating anything from them.
All Horowitz has are long discredited Zionist lies. Can he really be so stupid as to not realize Carter is talking about post 1967 war times not pre-1948 times? Can he as stupid as he writes?
By the standards of occupation and legitimacy Jimmy Carter invokes, Israel has more legitimacy as a Jewish state than Texas does as an American state, rather than a Mexican province.
Except for one minor point. The president of Mexico ceded Texas to the Texans. No one ever ceded Palestine to the Jews. There are other points such as Americans actually bought land or were given it as land grants. Also in those days acquisition by conquest was considered legitimate and that is how the “Hispanics” Horowitz tries to inject into it got the land from the Indians. He is simply trying to muddle the water by getting Hispanics to weigh into the argument against Carter. Or perhaps he really does want to equate the Hispanics and the European Jews with the Conquistadors.
The fifth Jimmy Carter lie in this lone Jimmy Carter sentence is the claim that the Jews have colonized anything. “The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.”
Why is it wrong of the Jews to live in the West Bank? (The 7000 Jews of Gaza, of course, have already been expunged as result of the Arabs’ genocidal hate.) Why can’t Jews have settlements in the West Bank?
Why is it wrong? First off Israel acknowledges 40% of their squattertowns in the West Bank are built on private property owned by Palestinians. So they are living on stolen land and that is always criminal no matter what other considerations there are.
Why cannot Jews have colonies in the West Bank in general? Germany did that in Poland and as above it contributed to their hanging. At the time Israel started its colonies in 1967 it was a long established war crime. The present day squatters are war criminals pure and simple. They cannot even plead they are following orders.
And it is clearly a war crime as the Supreme Court of Israel and its Attorney General have always held the West Bank is under belligerent occupation within the meaning of the Geneva Conventions. That puts their squattertowns squarely in the category of war crimes. There is no debate on the fanciful difference between occupied and disputed left. Israel has legally declared the land to be under belligerent occupation. End of discussion.
The answer is because the Palestinians Arabs are filled with a racist and theocratic hate towards the Jews. They can’t tolerate a non-Muslim, non-Arab people –however small a minority — living in their midst. (The 7000 Jews of Gaza - out of a population of 1.2 million - were law-abiding and peaceful and created a horticultural industry that produced ten percent of Gaza’s gross national product. But they were Jews. And that was intolerable to Palestine’s Nazis. So they had to be removed.)
Not only is he ignorant of modern history he is ignorant of the facts which he could have learned at any time simply by reading the English language Israeli newspapers available on the web. Lets take the 7000 compared to 1.2 million as an example. Please explain why 7000 Jews claimed (stole) fully one third of the land of Gaza which was also the best land. I suggest the “intolerance” was based upon the huge land grab. Those few Jews also claimed the best water resources and dumped their untreated sewage onto neighboring Palestinian farmland as they still do in the West Bank.
And the claim those few produced 10% of the GNP is also clearly bogus given the land grab and other facts. It is certainly an example of gross mismanagement if a full one third of the land can only produce one tenth of the GNP.
The term GNP makes no sense in this context but I took my best guess at giving it a meaning.
In addition Palestinians in Gaza could only export their products through Israel. Much of it was flowers and food in competition with the Jews in Gaza. Israeli customs had unique requirements for perishable exports by Palestinians, they took several times longer to get through export inspection and often simply left to rot and spoil. Many times the packaging was deliberately damaged so the produce was also. This year Israel caused the entire seasonal export of Gaza to be a total loss. So we really do not know what the relative fractions would have been if the treatment had been equal.
As for them being law abiding and peaceful, Israeli newspapers regularly reported their armed attacks on Palestinians in Gaza and the Israel army protecting them WHILE THEY ATTACKED and defending them from retaliation. Horowitz should read the Jerusalem Post, Israel Insider and Haaretz to learn what it is really like over there. (I suspect he does and knows he is lying but I can’t prove it.)
I cannot see a single reason to say the Palestinians are racist because they use deadly force in an attempt to regain their private property and expel the thieves. That is a natural and normal human reaction without regard to race. All thieves are equal and equally evil. There is no special class of noble Jewish thieves. A thief who is a Jew gets no special consideration because he is a Jew.
For the record, Jews are not a race and neither are Arabs. Jews are a religion and nothing else. Atheists have to accept some tenets of the Jewish religion to call themselves Jews so they are not really atheists. If Horowitz claims to be an atheist or agnostic he is not a Jew. If he claims to be a Jew he is not an atheist or an agnostic.
Contrast Carter’s attack on Jews living in the West bank as “colonizers” who must be expelled with the fact that more than a million Arabs live in Israel, where Israel provides them with more rights - including the right to vote and elect Arab members of Israel’s government - than any Arab who lives in any Arab state in the Middle East.
Carter is quite restrained in calling them colonizers when in fact they are criminal squatters who would have a date with hangman in a lawful world. And the West Bank includes East Jerusalem which includes the old city. Israel claim to have annexed Jerusalem is not recognized by a single country in the world. Every country considers the annexation claim null and void. Jordan’s 1948 claim to have annexed Jerusalem was not recognized by any country in the world either, not even Egypt.
It is also pertinent to note the Palestinians living in Israel are citizens of Israel. The Israelis squatting in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are not citizens of Palestine and have no rights as citizens. So Horowitz would compared citizens living in their own country with foreigners living in another on stolen land and protected by military force. Horowitz has nothing but long discredited Zionist lies to offer.
Horowitz brings up my disagreement with Carter’s public statements regarding his book and Israel. Non-Jews who are citizens of Israel do not have the same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel. This is often discussed in Israeli newspapers. They cannot bring their spouses to live in Israel. They cannot bring their relatives to live in Israel. In no case can their spouses and relatives become citizens of Israel. The spouses and relatives of Jews can go to Israel and become citizens. Israel’s housing rules, written and unwritten, were apparently copied from the Jim Crow era of the American South. The country is almost totally segregated. Palestinian schools have been “separate but equal” from the beginning and still are. They have all the worst aspects of that neglect that occurred in the US.
For Horowitz’s insult to injury he says they can vote for their own members of Israel’s government. While that is true the people they elect are removed from office if they advocate equal rights for non-Jewish citizens of Israel. Ending Jewish discrimination is specifically prohibited as a political platform. It is prohibited by law for Israeli elected officials to advocate equal rights for all the citizens of Israel. That undermines Horowitz’s entire position of equality.
So my disagreement with Carter is in the reasons he gives to say his use of Apartheid does not apply to Israel itself. Israel is definitely segregated and non-Jews are politically limited and do not have equal rights with Jewish citizens. How close that comes to Apartheid is a separate issue. It is certainly a situation that Americans have not tolerated for half a century.
But then Horowitz does use the peculiar Jewish formulation of his claim. He does not say they are equal to Jews in Israel. He says “where Israel provides them with more rights - including the right to vote and elect Arab members of Israel’s government - than any Arab who lives in any Arab state in the Middle East.” So he is saying Israel is somewhat better than non-Jewish countries in the middle east.
In every country in the middle east all citizens are equal regardless of what rights they have even very few and none politically. Lebanon and Yemen are full fledged democracies where all are equal and have the same rights unlike Israel where non-Jews do not have the same rights. Although I disagree, the US says the same in true in Egypt, Afghanistan and Iraq. Although not in the Middle East all are equal in Turkey and Iran and have full political rights. Pakistan is so democratic it has a woman as prime minister. Saudi and Kuwait are on the way to being democracies of all the citizens and what rights their citizens have at present are enjoyed by all.
But there is a worse conceit in his statement. It is the “Israel provides them with more rights” nonsense. Anything that is given by another is not a right. In fact what Israel does is take away some of the rights of non-Jews and that is a crime in all countries which declare themselves to be democracies.
There is indeed a wall now between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. But it is not a wall to keep Arabs out of Israel because they are Arab, as Carter maliciously maintains. There are more than a million Arabs living in Israel. There are indeed checkpoints in the West Bank and into Israel and obstacles to Palestinians crossing them. But this is not because the Israelis discriminate against Palestinians because they are Muslims or Arabs.
Even though he understates the implementation he admits them to be the facts of the case. There are more and they are worse than these such as the route of the wall being deliberately chosen to do the most harm to non-Jews and give the greatest land and water gains to Jews.
It is because too many Palestinians have shown themselves to be bloodthirsty, murderers who have been indoctrinated by their religious leaders and their government to believe in a sick Islamic fantasy that it is their Muslim duty to kill Jews by blowing themselves up; and that, if they do so, they will go to heaven along with 70 members of their family; and, that, if they are lucky enough to be male they will be rewarded by 72 virgins on the other side.
Killing Israelis accords with international law. It is their lawful right to kill the people occupying them. And Israel’s government agrees they are occupied within the meaning of the right of the occupied to kill their occupiers.
And as to bloodthirsty, the Jewish army is about the most bloodthirsty in the world or else it is the most unlucky army in the world. In what other army are schoolchildren regularly killed by a bullet to the head from accidental discharges a hundred yards away? What other army has artillery shells that stray into civilians instead of open fields? Loki has it in for them or they are bloodthirsty. As with democracy, Israel has the most moral army in the world except for all the rest.
On this side they will be regarded as martyrs and saints and honored by their government. Sixty-percent of Palestinians support suicide bombing and this sick, genocidal agenda - which is shared by all members of the Palestinians’ democratically elected government - to kill the Jews.
The problem with the separation wall, the Apartheid wall, is that not one foot of it is being built in Israel. All of it is being built in the West Bank. All of it is being built on land stolen by Jews from non-Jews.
As for martyrs and suicide bombing, I am supremely confident if they were given tanks, artillery and F-16s they would immediately give up suicide bombing. Suicide bombing is a method of last resort.
Jews used it in the Warsaw Ghetto against the Nazis. In one case a woman killed herself and her infant child using a hand grenade in an attack on the Germans. For both suicide is an act of last resort.
Israel honors the Iscaria (assassins) who defended Masada and in the end murdered their wives and children before suiciding. Israel likes suicide when they use it against others. It is nothing but hypocrisy to complain about it being used against them.
To ignore these facts and to invert them, as Jimmy Carter does, is to mark yourself as a moral defective.
To take on as a mission the spreading of lies that enable Islamic Nazis to carry out their final solution is the epitome of the evil that America’s fifth column left and its reprehensible ex-President represent in our time.
Horowitz is clearly ignorant of facts well known to all Israelis and which he could know if he simply read Israeli news sources. He is either as ignorant of present day Israel as he is of the history of the region or he deliberately lying. He writes so much that is clearly false and well known to be false it is difficult to say he is making so many “innocent mistakes” in one article.
He is also apparently upset at the idea of Israel being eliminated. Palestine was eliminated and no one misses it but the Palestinians. No one will miss Israel but Israelis. It is not like anyone else cares about it.
Horowitz’s article is clearly nothing more than a hit piece on Carter’s book. It evidences either a profound ignorance of facts or deliberate lies. It is not possible to decide between the two possibilities from the material in the article. Reread the title. NOT repeating Jewish spin about Israel is cause for attack. Carter certainly knows quite a bit about Israel and Palestine at all levels. But it does not conform to the propaganda spin Jews want so “Jew-Hater, Genocide-Enabler, and Liar” pretend to be a substantive rather than pejorative title. As I have shown and which can be confirmed by simply reading Israeli sources, Horowitz is the liar in the sense of propagandist mostly because of his careful phrasing designed to mislead.
Did condemning the old segregated South mean hatred of Southern Whites? Did condemnation of Apartheid South Africa, once Israel’s closest ally and co-developer with Israel of the atom bomb, mean a desire to see the Europeans slaughtered by the Africans? In this case it is simply saying that a country which claims to be a modern democracy can do very much better than it has done.
Yet Jews always jump to the worst to connect Israel with Jews and criticism of Israel the same as antisemitism. Antisemitism lost its sting years ago due to excessive and inappropriate use. To some extent everyone is an antisemite these days as the original meaning of the word has been lost. If both of these are antisemitism what does the word mean? The bus bombing is calling a lawful attack on the occupying power antisemitism. In more than half the cases the swastikas are done by Jews, far out of proportion to their fraction of the population.
But even the ignorant and the liars serve their purpose. This article shows exactly what Carter is talking about. Here is an American Jew writing for an American magazine spreading incorrect information about Israel. Here he is attacking Jimmy Carter for telling the truth about Israel. If anyone doubted the essential Carter message, that the truth about Israel cannot be freely discussed in the US, Horowitz’s article is an example of why it cannot be freely discussed.
One thing I have done in this analysis is declined to make a distinction between Jews and Zionists. Horowitz makes no such distinction. Why should I? Are all Jews responsible for the actions of Zionists? Of course not! That is the worst blood libel one can utter. But by failing to make the distinction Horowitz encourages the blood libel, that is, he lets murderers and thieves, past and present, hide behind being Jews. If that is what he wants I have no reason to mitigate his intention. He wants to foster antisemitism so Jews will go to Israel. American Jews have by and large shown they are not that stupid. There may be antisemitism in the world but most Jews know antisemitism when they see it. I don’t consider the buses blown up to be antisemitism rather lawful attacks upon a military asset but as Horowitz and his co-conspirators want to call it antisemitism I see no reason to disagree with them to make this point. Most people will accept cleaning up an occasional swastika in exchange for cleaning brains and blood off the sidewalk.
I did not challenge the claim that non-Jews have said they want to drive Israelis into the sea even though it exists no place in the literature. Like the claim that Palestinians were told to leave so Arabs could attack in 1948 it is the product of the Jewish imagination. Jews repeat their own lies even when counterproductive. What rational Jew would go to Israel if this were true? Frankly Israel benefits the rest of the world by attracting only those Jews dumb enough to go there. It gets all the dumb Jews while the rest of the world keeps the smart Jews. I encourage the stupid ones to go live in Israel. Just make certain you renounce your American citizenship and don’t come back save with hat in hand. America does not need people with dual loyalties or who cannot admit they made a mistake.
“Frankly Israel benefits the rest of the world by attracting only those Jews dumb enough to go there. It gets all the dumb Jews.”
Israelis have won 9 Nobels, more than many western european countries, more than the entire arab world combined, and Israel has only been in existence about 60 years.
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation.
Israel has one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
Oh and don’t forget the cell phone you call you nazi friends for KKK meetings, and the microprocessor hardware, the windows software, and the google search algorithms which let you post your vile anti-anti-jewish venom were created by dum israeli joos.
But, I guess to someone who thinks Einstein lacked an education, that ouija boards are stictly suppressed, and whose true creator god is Satan, you’re not about to say “Gosh…we’ve been such silly geese!”
Silly goose
Han,
Don’t you always complain that we are incapable of independent thought?
Why the hell is it that all of your thoughts are expressed though the work of other people that you then claim you don’t need to defend?
Why the hell you you whine and bitch like pussy faggots every time I come to your jobs and slap the cocks outta your hungry mouths?
Don’t tell me how I have to answer you - go fuck each other’s stupid mouths. Deal with it, cock-smokers.
Why Fang, because:
“go fuck each other’s stupid mouths.”
and
“Ouija boards, astrology, and other forms of divination have also been strictly suppressed”
and
“Strap on your hockey helmet before the baseball bats return”
is about the extent of hanover’s thoughts. Sadly this was once a guy who scored a 91 on a test . . . a 91!!!!
Was it a drug test?
No, the schizophrenia test.
It was a test of how deep your mom goes. Nice throat.
Whine, bitch, moan…I keep telling you fuckwads: you control nothing; not my thoughts, the way I respond to your whining, NOTHING.
You idiots keep going back to your nebulous achievements, as if Noble prizes mean anything when they’re handed out to complete fucktards like Henry “useless cannon fodder” Kissinger and Al “Global Warming’s gonna make me rich, beyotch…as long as no one checks the science” Gore…don’t even get me started with BHO and his Kosher Kabinet.
Fung…why don’t you dig up some more articles that you actually shouldn’t really find, fool? You really save me a couple of Bing searches…I should use you as my Lexis-Nexis whore.
“I keep telling you fuckwads: you control nothing; not my thoughts, the way I respond to your whining, NOTHING”
Wow hanover, that tinfoil hat is coming in pretty useful - total protection against jewish thought control.
Fang;
Georgie invaded Iraq for them. Get it?
“as if Noble prizes mean anything”
bwahahahahah
Georgie invaded Iraq for them. Get it?
That’s some knowledge of revisionist history you have there. The senate was controlled by Democrats in 1991. How exactly did the neocons force George Sr. to liberate Kuwait, and the abandon the liberation of Iraq?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielNX8WOv6g&feature=player_embedded
So…you admit to JTC, hmmm? Thanks, moRON…way to keep the secret. Ol’ Abbie Foxman’s gonna be pissed at you.
Fangie:
You are incredibly dumb. (A fact that has been apparent ever since you first appeared.) Congress does not declare war; the president declares war and then Congress rubber stamps it. Or had you not noticed? And another thing. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are controlled by you know who - so what difference does that make?
Now let us review the names of the warmongers, since enlightened little you has obviously forgotten. Paul Wolfowitz, Dov Zackheim, Abram Shulsky, Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Philip Zelkind (of 90/11 whitewash fame), why a kosher nostra from start to finish. You could always read Stephen Sniegowski’s book, “The Transparent Cabal” but we all know how you hate doing research, Fang. It strains your brain, like reading the documented facts on Jewish commissars.
“You are incredibly dumb. . .Congress does not declare war; the president declares war”
bwahahahahahahahahahaha
Hey Ronnie:
Have you caught up with reality yet? The Constitutional provision that only Congress has the right to declare war is as dead as the provision that all powers not specifically granted to the Federal government are reserved to the states. Did Obama ask for a Congressional declaration of war over Afghanistan?
Get with it, Ronnie. Maybe a Zionist computer can program your “brain”. Now wouldn’t that be a laugh.
“So…you admit to JTC, hmmm . . . way to keep the secret.”
That’s right devil boy, and we’re coming for your ouija board next, so wrap your tin foil hat extra snug.
Ahh, so the Democrats are necons too. I see. Everyone’s a neocon and a Jew. That reminds me of the AIDS song from Team America. You remind me of Team America, John. Remember, there is no I in Team America.
Again, if Bush Sr. was controlled by the neocons why did he leave Iraq?
“Did Obama ask for a Congressional declaration of war over Afghanistan?”
bwahahahahahahaha no.
Think of the 2001 declaration of war as one of those routine, dead provision resolutions a special joint session of congress passes for no reason - like the other provision you mumbled about!
The Constitutional provision that only Congress has the right to declare war is as dead
Revisionists must live in a different universe. Here in this universe, the war powers act does not allow the President to declare war. The war powers act requires the president get a declaration of war, or authorization for the use of force within 60 days of a commitment of troops. Public law 107 - 40 would be what you are looking for on the Afghanistan question, John. That’s not a rubber stamp. That’s a permission slip.
Not only does congress have that power, but they also control the money. No money, no war.
“Public law 107 - 40 would be what you are looking for on the Afghanistan question, John”
You are a dullard - please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between JT hf and I. Face it Fung, you hate doing research. You did NO RESEARCH!!!!!
There was no declaration of war over Afghanistan!!!!!
There was no holocau$t!!!!
Ein$tein lacked an education!!!!!
Tran$jordan lacked an outlet to the sea!!!!!
. . . and I meant Afghani$tan
please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt[the axis of idiot] - ed
Han loves to talk about going to people’s work and smacking cocks out of people’s mouths. John, do you like to smack cocks out of people’s mouths too, or are our Jew cock smacking thoughts not making it through your tin foil as easily as they do through Han’s?
Fung,
You are a dullard - please cease your puerile attempts to control my thoughts!!!!
I keep telling you fuckwads: you control nothing; not my thoughts, not the international sex slave trade; not the American media; not the Communist dictatorships; not the Republicans and the Democrats NOTHING!!!
You idiots still can’t refute the facts that Ein$tein lacked an education, that there was no declaration of war over Afghani$tan. There was no holocau$t and that Tran$jordan lacked an outlet to the $ea!!!!
How do you like me now?
Who did you steal your mind control device from, Ron? I nicked mine from an Italian scientist who wanted to use it to expose our blood libel hoax.
I drank his blood and then refused to have sex with his 13 year old daughter. It was a great day for Jews.
From some 18+ crucified Pagan Gods who hung from a tree, such as Odin . . .duh
Ronnie and Fang:
In case you did not notice, Bush, Jr. has not left Iraq. We are still there. And did any of you ever hear of the concept of a rubber stamp? Congress always rubber stamps presidents who go to war. Care to name some examples where they balked? Congress went along with Korea and Vietnam. They went along with LBJ over the Gulf of Tonkin. They didn’t object when Bush,Sr. gave Iraq the green light to move into Kuwait through Miss Glaspie (although she of course denied it) and then allowed double dealing George to demand a war they went along with. They went along with the “weapons of mass destruction’ hoax of Georgie, Jr.
If you go further back in time, they actually bothered to declare war in 1917 for Woodrow Wilson, even though Wilson had been setting up incidents like the Lusitania since 1915 and applying one standard for the Germans and a different standard for the British. They gave Roosevelt a declaration of war in 1941even though everybody with a brain knew then and subsequently that FDR had set up the fleet and provoked both the Germans and Japanese at great length. So don’t give me the lawyers bullshit that Congress exercises control over the war making policy. They exercise no such control - and do exactly what the Zionist kikds and their affiliates tell them.
You may have noticed that the obedient bastards did not vote for war in 1967 when Israel deliberately attacked our intelligence ship, Liberty. No Congressman, with a Yid dick in his mouth, dared to suggest any such thing. Instead, they bought the “mistaken identity” lie lock, stock and barrel. I can assure you that when we attack Iran over its non[-existent “nuclear weapons”, the obedient little kike suckers will go along with that too. There is no Congessional veto over presidential and Zionist war making powers - and both of you liars know it.
“Congress always rubber stamps presidents who go to war. . . Congress went along with Korea . . .”
Bwahahahahahahahahahahah
“Care to name some examples where they balked?”
Kosovo, Panama, Bosnia, Grenada, Somalia……
In case you did not notice, Bush, Jr. has not left Iraq.
In case you didn’t notice, Bush Jr wasn’t the president I was talking about, and Bush Jr is no longer the president. I’m pretty sure Bush Jr hasn’t been to Iraq since his presidency ended. Do you think he’s still over there? Or are you suggesting that Bush Jr. controls Obama, Pelosi, and Reid who are also neocons?
Am I supposed to believe that since the neocons control everyone that they wanted to Bush Sr. to leave Iraq the first time around so that they could wait 10 years, blow up the world trade center, and then head back in? After that were they in control of all the same people who are in control now who gained control by vowing to undo everything the neocons did?
Man those Jews are tricky.
Fang:
You eternal stupid shit. You really do not understand how the game is played do you? I suppose you never will. You were born dumb and shall die the same way.
Let me educate you, you terminal moron. I read the “Bush, Sr.” part. If you will consult that infamous so-called Czarist fforgery”, “The Protocols of Zion”, you will find the answer to your silly questions. The Protocols make quite clear that one of the methods to world dictatorship is to fight ceaseless no-win wars to tear down national sovereignty and build up international sovereignty. By fighting an inconclusive war, Papa Bush laid the groundwork for the next no-win war. It is straight out of the textbook. You, of course, cannot understand this, anymore than you can understand the international forces coordinating at Nuremberg to create a “gas chamber” hoax. As I said Fang, you were born dumb.
Now, Israel First Jews are everywhere in both political parties and in key administrative positions. It matters not whether they are Democrat or Republican. The power remains the same regardless of who is in office. The Democrats have Charles Schurmer, Barbara Boxer and many others, the Republicans have their Mitch O’Connel’s and Mike Huckabees, the independents have Joe Liebeerman. It is all the same. Yes, terminally stupid Fang, 09/11 was set up by the same people who lied us into war against Iraq, the same people who put both Bushes and Obama into office, the same people who pursue the same agenda across all ostensible lines and divisions.
And yes, dear stupid Fang, it is a Jewish conspiracy. (Faint, reach for the smelling salts, scream “Holocaust Denial!”)
Oh I thought that Han had won the crazy race long ago, but look at the dark horse coming up on the inside! Don’t tear up your race card just yet. I have a feeling there’s plenty more crazy where that came from.
I like the part where the Jewish conspiracy, (in their pursuit of world domination no doubt), manage to tip their cards to people like Han and John who are just too insane to be considered credible. It’s really deviant of them to construct such conspiracies that can only be uncovered by folks whom no one in their right minds would believe on any issue.
Think of all the Hans and Johns out there who know all the secrets, but don’t have the Ouija board to get out the message. Think of all the frustrated sociopaths who have the knowledge necessary to bring this cabal toppling if only people didn’t laugh every time they opened their mouths. Think of all the pedophiles who bring about world peace if only they weren’t, you know, pedophiles.
One thing though, John. If there weren’t any Jews, who would you blame all your inadequacy on? Mexicans?
Fang:
I do not have any inadequacies, only a thinking mind. You might be able to pick one up cheap at Dr. Frankenstein’s flea market.
A person without any inadequacies would not spend half a year failing to prove their lack of inadequacies to 2 people with such mentally stable anecdotes as
I used to be involved in swinging where I would screw other men’s wives silly while their husbands watched and got off. This went on for ten years.
and
P.S. “loser”. How many millions do you have in the bank, like I do, asshole?
Not to mention that time you try to pull a university professor out of your pocket that you thought no one knew so that you could say that he agreed with you. Too bad someone knew him and asked…
And those are just a few of the examples.
The War is On!
Police said Nachtman (a Confederate Hammerskins member) and Kopko (of National Alliance fame) got into an argument at a David Irving lecture. One man was airlifted to an area hospital and the other was taken by ambulance…there were just blood and guts everywhere”
“The Protocols of Zion” make quite clear that one of the methods to world dictatorship is to fight ceaseless no-win wars. This is straight out of the textbook.
We’ve got ‘em fighting each other now mwuhahahahahahaha
Fang:
You really are pathetic.
Professor Lindemann does indeed know me; he just doesn’t know me by the name of John Thames. You don’t like it when I screw adult women; you don’t like it when I point out (accurately) that our ancestors used to legally screw 10-14 year olds. What do you like, Fang? - HIV camel cock up your ass?
You don’t like it when I screw adult women; you don’t like it when I point out (accurately) that our ancestors used to legally screw 10-14 year olds.
No, John, you missed the point. I don’t care about your personal life, or what you think of mine. You on the other hand have spent the past 6 months trying to validate yourself to two anonymous people on the internet by telling us these things about yourself like they matter. You have also spent the last 6 months trying to characterize your opponents in terms that do nothing but boost your own ego. You said you had no inadequacies, but your vanity and your insecurity are just two of them.
Anything you think you know about my sexuality is just a figment of your imagination. The main reason for that is that every time you go fishing with some intended insult to my sexuality you end up with nothing on the hook. That’s because it simply doesn’t matter to me what you think. Part of the reason it doesn’t matter to me is that each attack just grants me more insight into your prejudices and insecurities. The other part is that I’m very comfortable with who I am. I have no need to prove myself to you.
You do seem to feel this need to prove yourself. I know, for example, that you took pride in the thought that you could screw other people’s wives, and that you would get enjoyment out of stuffing amputated balls in people’s mouths. You thought that having a million in the bank would be something that was impressive. Your posts show that you obsess over the phallus, resent women, and defend sexual intercourse between adults and undeveloped and inexperienced children. These aren’t things that I have to invent. They are things that you said in your posts.
What does any of this personal insight into the mind of John have to do with the discussion of 9/11, the Holocaust, or any of the other topics you purport to have factual knowledge of? Why would you share any of that with us?
Here’s a little slice of reality for you John: It has nothing to do with us, and everything to do with your desire to validate yourself. Han might be impressed. But I’m not.
The War is On!
“ANALAPAN - Manalapan police are leaving it up to the State Attorney’s Office to sort out charges for a nonfatal stabbing at a talk by a discredited British historian.”
War between the Confederate Hammerskins and Volksfront, and now they each are facing criminal charges. Straight out of the”Protocols of Zion” textbook.
mwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Fang The Idiot:
I think that, for once, you have hit the nail on the head. I feel no more need to justify myself to you than you feel the need to justify yourself to me. As to the gratuitous insults, they began with your side long ago, since you have obviously forgotten. Please do not practice psychiatry without a lisence; it is a quack “science” anyway. No intelligent individual would ever try to evaluate someone else over a debate site anyway. Your speculations are only what you want to think of me because you cannot conceive of how anyone else’s world view can possibly conflict with what you have been misled to believe.
I do not seek to convince you of anything nor that stupid little shit Ronnie. I seek only to establish the facts. Someone else may read these postings and delve further. The two of you are quite irrelevant. I do not hate women; I hate feminists infected with mad cow disease. Feminists do not seek equal rights; they seek superior rights. You are too dumb to figure this out just as you are too dumb to figure out a lot of other things.
As I have pointed out before, to no avail, I insult you because I consider you brainwashed fools. A la Sigmund Freud, you read meaning into insults. As I said, psychiatry is a quack science and those who evaluate such insults as proof of mental instability are like those who cannot distinguish between official propaganda and covered up truth. I care not what you think of the mental problems I do not have. The issue here is simply that I know what I am talking about; you and dumb little Ronnie clearly do not.
And now, go eat your balls.
Ronnie:
I’ve told you before, give up on satire. You have zero talent for it.
And one other thing, Fang.
Besides demonstrating your intellectual incompetence, why are you wasting your time trying to reform someone you characterize as “mentally siseased”? Don’t you have something better to do?
why are you wasting your time trying to reform someone you characterize as “mentally siseased”?
Those things you used as punctuation are called quotation marks. They are used to denote a direct quotation. I’m going to assume you meant to type mentally diseased. As with your other invented facts, this characterization that you have quoted is also an invention of your own. I said that your posts show that you have feelings of inadequacy. I did not call it a disease.
Do you feel diseased?
I do not seek to convince you of anything nor that stupid little shit Ronnie.
Yeah you do. If you didn’t this wouldn’t have been taken to the personal level that you took it to. And I’m not talking about your grade school insults. I’m talking about all these things that you’ve told us about yourself. I’m talking about your arguments about people who support you, desire you, or envy you. You’re the one that’s divulging these things about yourself. You’re the one who’s taken such an interest in defending your sanity to us. If you didn’t care what we thought, you would talk about it.
Someone else may read these postings and delve further.
Sure. I encourage anyone reading here to check out John’s facts. I also encourage them to decide for themselves just what sort of man John is and if his hatred of a secret leadership of omnipotent Jews is rational, or irrational. My guess is that they’re going to come to the same conclusion I do.
http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/2009/03/womens_right_to_vote_the_1.html
Fang You Stupid little Shit:
You are the sounding board for a discussion, nothing more. As for “taking it to a personal level”, that was done by your side after my first posting way back when. You are a master of the distinction without a difference. Whether you accuse me of feelings of inadequacy or being mentally diseased, it is still the same technique of accusing me of problems I do not have.
In the old Soviet Union, anyone who objected to communism as unworkable was subjected to a lobotomy. Trying to lobotomize me is not going to work. As to the facts, anyone who reads them will quickly discover that I am absolutely correct - and then, Fang, you and Ronnie punk wil look as stupid as you really are.
Now fuck off.
As for “taking it to a personal level”, that was done by your side
Again you misread the text. I don’t mean personal in the colloquial sense. I’m not talking about your attempts to insult me. I mean personal in the literal sense. You keep providing personal information about yourself.
it is still the same technique of accusing me of problems I do not have.
Your behavior bears out that lie. My technique is to reflect your own posts back at you, John. You’re the one judging yourself just as much as I am.
You have a very short memory Fang.
The only reason I ever volunteered any information about my sexual activities is because your enlightened sidekick, Ronnie Boy, accused me of homosexuality long ago. I simply asked him how he reconciled the charge with the obvious point. As to what you think you know about me personally, fuck off.
Now go back to your failed attempts to refute the facts.
The only reason I ever volunteered any information about my sexual activities is because your enlightened sidekick, Ronnie Boy, accused me of homosexuality long ago
And the point is, you answered. Every time you try to accuse me of homosexuality do you see me explaining my sexual habits to you? No. Ya don’t. When you went into that rant about why you’ve never been married? That’s the kind of shit I’m talking about.
Shit is precisely the word to describe all your ravings.
To all nazi homosexual pedophiles and fifth columnist, quisling, mendicant, pilferers of nukes who have suborned our representatives:
Please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between yourselves
http://buchanan.org/blog/the-dark-side-of-the-%e2%80%98special-relationship-2679
More on the wonderful state of Israel. Note how Pollard delivered the US attack plan in event of US-Russian war to his real country.
“Note how Pollard delivered the US attack plan in event of US-Russian war to his real country.”
And you’re a dope who believes everything you read on the internet.
Pollard was an analyst in the naval criminal investigation service, you really believe he had America’s super secret attack plans for the invasion of the USSR?
p.s. You left out an important point about American/Israeli intelligence sharing, it appears in one of the article’s links:
“The admiral, like Robert Gates . . . pointed out that Israel would always play a special role in American national security affairs. “We give them truckloads of stuff in the normal course of our official relations,” the admiral said. “And they use it very effectively. They do things worth doing, and they will go places where we will not go, and do what we do not dare to do.”
Which is why Israel and the US have had such a long productive intelligence sharing arrangement, and why the US knew about Iran’s secret nuclear facility and Syria’s secret nuclear facility and North Korea’s proliferation attempts in the middle east etc etc.
Ronnie You Lying Little Cocksucker:
You sound just exactly like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg who claimed that what was good for Soviet Russia was what was good for America because the US and the workers paradise were “eternal allies”. And one other thing, Ronnie. Pollard did not act alone. He had other Jewish traitors much higher up in the intelligence apparat helping him - a little fact you neglected to mention.
“You sound just exactly like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg….”
I said two things:
1. Pollard, an analyst in the criminal division of NIS, did not have the super secret attack plans to invade the USSR - only a mindless jew hater like yourself would be that gullible.
2. Your dumb article linked to a very important point about Israeli US Intelligence sharing: “we [the U.S.] GIVE them [Israel] truckloads of stuff in the normal course of our official relations”
We do that because “they [Israel use it very effectively. They do things worth doing, and they will go places where we will not go, and do what we do not dare to do.”
I should have added I think pollard is where he belongs, lest you think I sound exactly like the rosenbergs.
moRON - you wrote:
“We do that because “they [Israel use it very effectively. They do things worth doing, and they will go places where we will not go, and do what we do not dare to do.”
Why would you believe this obvious bit of sequestration? And does that excuse their spying efforts?
I think NOT.
han
I have to look up your big words in a dictionary. Flush with the knowledge of what “sequestration” means wtf are you talking about?
Do you even know what you say sometimes?
I think I can shed some light here, Ron. I refer to one of my previous posts:
Fangbeer said
on 23 July 2009
I see Han took my advice and picked up a thesaurus. Han, you might want to pair that thesaurus with a dictionary. It might have helped to spare you the embarrassment of an attempt to call someone puerile in the same in the same run on sentence that you compare them to a “fucking huge fat ass.”
Han reminds me of that character from the show in living color and Damon Wayans character the incorrectly articulate prison inmate. Except in Han’s case I think it’s an asylum rather than a prison.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=617645
Here’s a better one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dPprbzNSc
It is nice to know that Ronnie thinks Pollard should be in jail. Now Ronnie should be in school, learning the physics of real gas chambers and how two buildings do not collapse because of burning kerosene.
Now Ronnie should be in school, learning the physics of real gas chambers and how two buildings do not collapse because of burning kerosene.
What school should he go to to learn incorrect physics?
It is called “Dumb Fuck Remedial Academy”. Why don’t you apply too?
Because I went to a college that taught principles of science that didn’t involve omnipotent Jews, space lasers, hologram missiles and whatever craziness you think should be taught at a school that doesn’t believe a building can collapse from fire damage, or does believe that prussian blue “rapidly combines with other surfaces.”
Then how come so many real scientists, like Germar Rudolf and Stephen Jones, disagree with your conclusions?
So many real scientists, like 2 people?
Heh.
You are quite a funny guy John.
One of your real scientists is fresh out of prison, the other only submits his papers to a fake online journal with no review process. Clearly they are at the apex of scientific thought.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/26/west-bank-jews-army-judge
Another enlightened kike.
Ffang The Stupid Fuck:
Real scientists do not throw their opponents into jail for their opinions; nor do they forceuniversity professors into early retirement to silence them . Cocksuckers like you bastards always resort to strong arm tactics to cover up your lies.
http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/dont-blame-hitler-alone-for-world-war-ii.aspx#post2026
More heresy for the pussy brothers.
http://judicial-inc.biz/jedwabne.htm
Another Jew fairy tale exposed.
Real scientists do not throw their opponents into jail for their opinions; nor do they forceuniversity professors into early retirement to silence them
I agree. Real scientists don’t do that to their opponents. They do it to idiots who’s points are not founded in science at all.
They don’t do it to anyone, shithead.
VISSI IL VERO (“I LIVED FOR TRUTH”)
What was the true Jewish involvement in communism? That is the question no one wishes to address. Andre Gerritts, in “The Myth of Jewish Communism” admits that the subject has been a hot potato for historians who preferred to ignore it for decades. That says something for the intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice of those objective “seekers after truth” who exist at taxpayers expense in universities across the land. It always pays not to bite the hand that signs the paycheck. Historians are reluctantly starting to admit the facts on Jewish bolshevism. But when it comes to admitting the facts on fake “gas chambers” the ivory tower charlatans are the same intellectual lepers now that they were in 1917. The Leuchter report, the Luftl report, the Rudolf report and the writings of Faurrison, Graf, Mattogno, etc. All are as taboo to the witch doctors of the academy as those horrid pamphlets of the 1920’s blaming Marxism on the tribe.
Academics are whores and their sucking and swallowing of verboten historical heresies is only to be expected. Like barking dogs they can be taught to woof “Anti-Semitism!”, “hatred!” and “bigotry!” but the one thing they can never do is grow the balls to face facts. An ivory tower prostitute will deny endlessly and then timidly admit, years later, that it was all true after all. It makes for tenure and high pay for no work. Professors are the pussy boys of crusading intellect. They will fearlessly promote every bromide of political correctness but would never, ever state a truth that would cost them their jobs. They affirm the existence of “gas chambers” as holy writ but would deny any Jewish disproportion in communism as the worst kind of Nazi heresy.
Jewish commissars cause academics to “hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil”. The average professor would no more hear of Jewish commissars than FOX news would hear that Osama Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll when two towers were blown up from within. Professors treat unpleasant facts as “truth mines” to be avoided. That is their standard of scholarship. “Vissi il vero, Vissi bend over”. They live for truth; they live to screw for the kikes. Floria Tosca would grant them the Te Deum of truth.
Fung and moRON…way to go kicking the feet out of your straw man.
You tools just can’t compete on an even playing field. John’s right - scientists don’t have each other arrested for dueling theories…only scumbags do.
“What was the true Jewish involvement in communism? That is the question no one wishes to address.”
That is ridiculous, Communism is and was extensively researched and documented. Jewish involvement in communism is and was very well researched and documented.
In fact, you even referred to an excellent source yourself, (too bad you didn’t read it yourself (which is true of all of the books by jewish authors you claim to have read))
Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century showed the vast majority of Bolshevik party members were ethnic Russians. The most overrepresented ethnic group in the Bolshevik party were the Latvians. Only 5.2 percent of Communists in the Soviet Union in the year 1922 were Jewish, and Jews made up only 8.5 percent of the central apparatus of the Soviet secret police. That’s according to Slezkine, a source you yourself relied on as an authority.
I warned you about this last time with the book Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers, you dumb nazi, pedophile!
Read books before you refer to them. When you copy and paste a review from stormfront or david duck.com you are relying on shaky, biased sources who don’t know what they’re talking about. You look really stupid when your own sources contradict you.
Now stay away from playgrounds you old pervert!
Ronnie:
You Lying Little Kosher Cocksucker. I read every book I refer to, unlike you. I really get sick and tired of your selective quotations. And what you call “cut and paste” are my own original creations. (I don’t get my research handed to me by my controllers, like you do.) Anyone who looks at the Jewish preponderance in the upper echelons of the Soviet state, 1920-1950, knows it was far more than the 8.5% of the rank and file. If you go back and actually read Slezkine Ronnie (I know you didn’t) you will find the passage where he says that 7 out of 10 top NKVD positions in the 1930’s were held by Jews. You will also find the passages where he demonstrates that the diplomatic service, the propaganda apparat, the arts, gulag and security systems were all top heavy with kikes.
Obviously most communists were Russians because Jews only constituted 1-2% of the population. At 8.5% that would make them overrepresented by at least four times, Ronnie. But none of that gets around the hard facts of their control of the choke points of the communist system. You lose again, lying little Ronnie.
“what you call “cut and paste” are my own original creations.”
Actually, you are the “lying little cocksucker”
I know exactly where your supposed “original creation,” your review of Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century, was copied from too.
Your “original creation” review was actually a verbatim copy of two reviews that you mashed together into one, which you lifted from this website: http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2009/08/review-of-jewish-century-by-yuri.html and then you called it “my original creation.”
Hahahahah revisionism in action - busted!
****
Oh my, mindless jew haters plagiarizing from each other, and now there is a war between the Confederate Hammerskins and Volksfront . . . this is straight out of the”Protocols of Zion” textbook.
mwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ronnie:
You stupid fuck.
When I send out my reviews to my mailing list, they then spread them all over the internet where innumerable people pick them up. You could just as logically say I picked up my own review from Rense.com where it was also posted. I wrote my review before MacDonald wrote his and I copied nothing from him.
You are shooting blanks again, Ronnie.
pfffft so you didn’t copy two reviews, condense them into one, and then call it your own, the two other reviewers, MacDonald and the other reviewer on that web page - who wrote their reviews before you actually copied BOTH of there reviews - stole your review and broke it into two separate one, and didn’t give you credit!
That makes sense in revisiono world I guess.
In any case: oh my, mindless jew haters plagiarizing from each other, and now there is a war between the Confederate Hammerskins and Volksfront . . . this is straight out of the”Protocols of Zion” textbook.
mwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
“I wrote my review before MacDonald wrote his and I copied nothing from him.”
rofl so it was a plot by the two other reviewers to steal your one review, break it into two reviews and then steal your credit by each taking credit for half of your review!
Hahahaha you guessing maybe they’re . . . jewish? hahahaha No wait, they did it on 9-11 hehehe
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Guru/100000353104494
Holy Shit Bill / Wilbur/ John/ Alexander,
Is that a kid holding a sex doll on your facebook?
That’s fucked up.
I wrote my review before MacDonald wrote his and I copied nothing from him.
Is that why his is dated November 05, 2005, and Bill Guru’s is dated 8-26-2009?
Hmm. In revisionist world does 2005 come after 2009?
in revisionismo world yes, 2005 is after 2009, it’s a jewish plot ya see! I read it on davidduck.com and stormfront so it must be true!
oh my word Bill / Wilbur/ John/ Alexander,
That is seriously f***** up facebook page. You better take down that facebook page before the spanish authorities see your new boyfriend! He looks young even for Hapsburg Empire standards.
Sheesh hillbilly racists, john’s like a cliche or something.
Sorry Dumb Shits:
I did not write MacDonald’s review and copied absolutely nothing from him. The date that something is posted by someone else has nothing to do with when I orginally wrote it. And no, Fang the Porno man. I am not the billguru on Facebook. I have never been on Facebook. Nice try - and missionary is boring.
WORLD WAR TWO “I WAS THERE”
Post 1945 has seen an endless array of WW2 documentaries, almost all of them focusing on the horror of the battlefield as recounted by the soldiers who fought in it. But there has been virtually no analysis of the reasons behind the conflict or the geopolitical consequences of the war. The only exception to that statement might be the recent production by the Scottish historian, Nial Fergusson, “The War of the Worlds”, in which Fergusson takes the not unreasonable position that morally there was little to choose from between the warring sides. Otherwise the film documentaries have all focused on the experiences of the veterans. The problem with this approach is obvious. No one knows less about the real reasons for any war than the soldiers who fight in it. Besides, their accounts of the battlefield are rather boring and repetitious. “It was horrible beyond belief”, “I was scared out of my pants”, “I can only talk about it now”. All perfectly true and all perfectly understandable. But in terms of understanding the war completely irrelevant.
The relevant questions regarding World War Two are as follows:
(1) Who provoked it?
(2) What were their motives?
(3) Who really benefited from the war?
(4) Was it a war against the wrong enemy?
(5) Was the world a worse place because of the war?
The answers to these questions involve innumerable sub questions. What was the real diplomatic background to Pearl Harbor? What were Hitler’s real territorial ambitions in Europe? Were the British employing outmoded balance of power politics in opposing Hitler? Was Joseph Stalin really the unoffending victim of a sneak attack? Did the Zionists work for war in all nations? Did WW2 provide a cover for the takeover of Palestine? Did Roosevelt use the war to solve the failure of the New Deal? None of these questions are answered by recounting the experiences of the veterans. Indeed, the purpose of focusing on the veterans is precisely to submerge the political in the personal. World War Two changed the entire planet in a way which no other war ever did. Yet the enormous geopolitical consequences are ignored while one aging veteran after another is trotted before the camera. This is Oprah Winfrey style “history”.
World War Two is not meant to be understood. That is the last thing the political establishment wants. World War Two is to be worshipped. The worship is to be achieved by getting the viewer to identify with the experiences of the veterans. Once that identification takes place, the inconvenient questions become heresy. And that is why World War Two recollection documentaries shall continue to flourish.
Let me quote Andre Gerrits whose book I am accused of not reading. Ffrom p.23:
“Numbers matter too. One of the main arguments against the identification of Jews with communism is the simple fact that the Jews who were active in the communist movement constituted only a monor portion of the Jewish population. As empirically correct as this observation is, its relevance is limited in the context of Jewish Communism. There may have been few radicals among Jews, as Schatz writes in “The Generation”, but ‘there have been many Jews among radicals’ (Schatz 1991:13), The fact of the matter is that people of Jewish descent were disproportionately (as relates to their share of the general population) represented in the communist movement. Moreover, their significance within most communist parties often considerably exceeded their strength in numbers.”
Got it now, Ronnie schmuck?
I did not write MacDonald’s review and copied absolutely nothing from him. The date that something is posted by someone else has nothing to do with when I orginally wrote it. And no, Fang the Porno man. I am not the billguru on Facebook. I have never been on Facebook. Nice try - and missionary is boring.
I think that Bill / Wilbur / John / Alexander / MacDonald wrote it together back in 2005. Wilbur, John, and Alexander weren’t paying attention at the time, but MacDonald talked to Bill about it. Bill then remembered the exchange during a vigorous missionary session with a 3 year old. It is suggestive and as good a theory as any.
Fang:
You know nothing. All you can do is repeat the same lies, over and over. Why don’t you try refuting the essays? You can’t.
“The fact of the matter is that people of Jewish descent were disproportionately (as relates to their share of the general population) represented in the communist movement.”
“Why don’t you try refuting the essays?”
First off, thank you for admitting “the” essays are not your “original creations” anymore. Admission of plagiarism noted!
Second, the Communist Party census of 1922 revealed that less than one thousand Jews had joined the party before 1917, and Latvians made up the largest disproportionate population in the communist party. ooo those Latfvians!
Third, the Jews who joined the party broke with their religion.
Fourth, even though many jews were prominent in the revolutionary movement, they were also prominent in capitalist circles: disproportionately represented among physicists, chemists, mathematicians, doctors, university students, and occupations that call for intellectual distinction.
Now keep pictures of your underage boyfriends off the internet you ??????????? ?????????????!
Ronnie Lie Schmuck:
Congratulations on mastering all the standard apologetic defenses. Tel Aviv must be proud of you.
Now to refute the bullshit. I made no admission of “plagiarism”. All my essays are my original creations. It is certainly true that Latvians and other minorities were involved in the bolshevik revolution. Many oppressed nationalities wanted liberation when the Czarist Empire broke up. But Latvians, Ukrainians and others were not the controlling force behind the Soviet Union for thirty years after the revolution. Jews were. The atom spies in the US were not Larvians either, Ronnie Boy, and you know it. The Communist press, 1880-1940, was not published in Latvian either. It was published in Yiddish, the language of the Jews. Your figures on Communist Party membership are deliberately misleading. What you do not include are all the Marxist revolutionary parties in the Czarist Empire, whicjh included the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party (later to become the Communist Party), the Bund, the General Condederation of Jewish Labor of Lithuania-poland, 100% Jewish and Masrxist, Poale-Zion, both Communist and Zionist, the Jewish Social Democratic Labor Party (the SERP of Chaim Zhitlovsky) and the Jewish Zionist-Socialist Workers Party (the latter two merged in May 1917 after the overthrow of the Czar in March to form the United Jewish Socialist Workers Party). That ups the Jewish participation in revolutionary Marxism many times.
It is not entirely true that Jews are intellectual geniuses. The great mass of Russian Jewry was incredibly ignorant, superstitious and backward, a fact noted by Professor MacDonald in his review and confirmed by other sources. As even Andre Gerrits admits in his book, many Jewish Communists combined a very strong sense of their Jewishness with their communism and regarded their communism and their Judaism as essentially the same. Jaff Schatz goes over this in detail in his book, “The Generation”. The claim that Jews predominate on all sides of the intellectual spectrum, not just communism, is dealt with in Professor MacDonald’s book, “Culture of Critique”. The problem with this argument is that although Jews play both sides of the intellectual spectrum, they are almost never nationalist in their beliefs - except when defending Israel. And indeed, many capitalist Jews, such as Victor Rothschild in England, have worked hand in hand with Soviet Communism as spies.
Now let me list some of the other apologetic defenses that you will undoubtedly raise. It is often argued that the Jews turned to communism to realize national liberation from the Czar. It is also argued that Jews, as the best educated class of the Czarist Empire (Doesn’t this conflict with the claim that they were downtrodden?) naturally made the best available commissars, etc. I’ve heard those excuses too, Ronnie. Unfortunately, the not so persecuted Jews in the USA demonstrated the same deplorable pro-Bolshevik tendencies.
I don’t want to empty your blanks before you fire them, Ronnie. I just want you to know that I am wise to your ways. You will continue to lose, Ronnie. But please - do give it your best shot.
john,
“But there has been virtually no analysis of the reasons behind the conflict or the geopolitical consequences of the war [World War 2].”
Really? There have been virtually no analysis of the reasons behind WW2 or its consequences of WW2?
Your claims get loonier each day.
“It is certainly true that Latvians and other minorities were involved in the bolshevik revolution.”
Nice of you to admit it, but that wasn’t what I said, and it wasn’t what you were arguing. You said:
“that people of Jewish descent were disproportionately … represented in the communist movement.”
I said “The Communist Party census of 1922 revealed that less than one thousand Jews had joined the party before 1917, and Latvians made up the largest population in the communist party relative to their population as a whole.”
In 3rd grade english that means Jews were not the largest disproportionally representative minority in the communist party, Latvians were! (not that that means anything anyway)
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“But Latvians, Ukrainians and others were not the controlling force behind the Soviet Union for thirty years after the revolution. Jews were.”
No, non-jewish russians were overwhelmingly in control, and in numbers so astronomically out of proportion to jewish membership, to argue the point is to cast ridicule on yourself.
About 95 percent of Communists in the Soviet Union in the year 1922 were not Jews (and that’s counting jewish communists as jews when in fact they themselves renounced their own judaism and the overwhelming majority of jewish russians, who were not communists, viewed them as apostates!)
In 1920, 91.9 percent of all Cheka operatives were Non-Jews and in 1924, Non-Jews made up nearly 92 percent of the central apparatus of the Soviet secret police.
Clearly the communist party was overwhelmed with Non-Jews, and you should probably vent your anger where it belongs: white men!
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“The Communist press, 1880-1940, was not published in Latvian either. It was published in Yiddish, the language of the Jews.”
There was no such entity as “The Communist Press.” The main newspapers in Russia controlled by communists before the revolution were limonka, zvezda and pravda. They were russian language papers because the mind-blowing, overwhelming majority of communists in russia were non-jewish and couldn’t read yiddish.
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“Now let me list some of the other apologetic defenses that you will undoubtedly raise”
Don’t bother, your own arguments are so dumb they are laughable on their face: (”there has been virtually no analysis of the reasons behind . . . the war [WW2]“)
bwahahahaha
Entirely true, Ronnie Fuck Head. It has been presented as the “Good War” for seventy years now - and still is. You will not find any of the questions I raised presented at the WW2 museum in Washington, D.C.
Ronnie:
You just do not get any brighter, do you? There was a vast Communist press published outside of the Soviet Union or did no one ever tell you? Ever read Der Hammer or the Morning Freiheit, Ronnie? The latter was published in Yiddish - and it was the largest circulation Communist newsspaper in the US for several decades, Ronnie. In Russia itself there was a flourishing Communist press published in Yiddish starting around 1925, encouraged by the very heavily Jewish Soviet government. Ever hear of Der Emes (Yidddish for “The Truth”), Ronnie?
And then, there were all those Marxist socialist newspapers published out of New York in the 1880’s through 1920’s with names like Die Naye Veld (”The New World”),” Die Arbeiter” (”The Worker”) Whatever, etc. Of course, you simply ignored my point about all the Marxist Jewish dominated revolutionary parties in Czarist Russia because that fractured your phony statistics.
If you are going to lie Ronnie, please do improve your technique. You operate on such a third grade dumb shit level. If I’m going to amuse myself with a moron, I need better than this to keep me interested.
“It has been presented as the “Good War” for seventy years now - and still is.”
Maybe, but that wasn’t what you argued. You argued:
“but there has been virtually no analysis…”
“virtually no analysis” means there has been next to no analysis. That is completely untrue, it’s also very stupid. WW2 has been intensively analyzed and studied for decades by scholars from all over the world from various political viewpoints.
You just disagree with over 70 years of intensive study and analysis.
You’re also a dumb hillbilly racist who has a disturbing sexual preference for prepubescent children.
So it’s little wonder in your dumb revisiono world that world war two has received “virtually no analysis.”
Ronnie Talmudist:
The only ‘analysis” of WW2 for seventy years has been that it was an absolutely necessary holy war to stop Adolf Hitler from “conquering the world”. That is no more analysis than regurgitating the wicked Kaiser myth of WW1. It is wartime propaganda enshrined as an historical legend, not historical analysis.
As to racism in its most abysmal form, straight out of the medieval ghetto, go worship at the eternal flame shrine of Baruch Goldstein.
“The only ‘analysis” of WW2 for seventy years has been that it was an absolutely necessary holy war to stop Adolf Hitler from “conquering the world”.”
But that is analysis.
(You also overlook many of the dumb authors you frequently rely on, like david irving, who say WW2 was absolutely NOT a “necessary holy war to stop Adolf Hitler from “conquering the world” but that’s overkill in this case).
So, when you say: “but there has been virtually no analysis…” of WW2 you are both stupid and wrong.
Thanks for supplying the latest fodder for the “john the stupid, nazi pedophile game”
Only if that three-year-old was YOU, spunkcatcher.
moRON mumbled: “The only ‘analysis” of WW2 for seventy years has been that it was an absolutely necessary holy war to stop Adolf Hitler from “conquering the world”.
But that is analysis.
No…that is bullshite. In 1917, when your scumbag brethren murdered Czar Nicholas and his family, you should have all been dragged out onto the street and hung, drawn, quartered and been made into personal fuck toys for the Russian populace.
Ah…but one can dream…
So…tell me how one justifies this shite: http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/11/west-bank-rabbi-jews-can-kill-gentiles.html - maybe we should be saving the world from you evil scumbags.
I’m deadly serious.
“In 1917, when your scumbag brethren murdered Czar Nicholas and his family . . .”
The Czar was murdered in 1918, but hey you’re no Einstein.
Damn it hanover, you got a 91 on a test once, you can do better than that. I’m deadly serious too!
moRON
please cease your puerile attempts to foment dissent betwixt and between JT, HF and sHAM wOW, or hANOVER fIST will get deadly serious! I’m deadly serious.
hANOVER fIST, your point on the murder of Czar Nicholas in 1917 by those sequestrating, fifth columnist, quisling, mendicant, pilferers who suborned our representatives, could not have been presented better!
I’m deadly serious.
You get a 91 in revisionism little guy.
Ronnie The Dialectical Cocksucker:
I am not going to indulge you in your usual game of definitions 101.
The relevant point here is that , until very recently, WW2 has been a holy war outside any dissenting analysis. That continues to be the rule in academia today. The myths are still in place and the entire purpose of exercises such as WW2 memorials and Pearl Harbor commemorations is to maintain and solidify the myths. Period.
http://buchanan.org/blog/political-science-for-dummies-2926
This is the best humor piece I’ve seen in a long time.
“The Czar was murdered in 1918, but hey you’re no Einstein. ”
Nor would I wish to be a scumbag plagiarist.
Found another link sure to make your brick your ladies’ underpants - http://www.threeworldwars.com/overview.htm
“Nor would I wish to be a scumbag plagiarist.”
Good for you devil boy!
Watch out for JT though. Unlike you, JT takes credit for other people’s reviews, then claims the reviews as his “own original creations.”
You merely “posit the veracity” of other people’s stupidity, and then run away when it’s pointed out how false the veracity of what you posit is.
“Nor would I wish to be a scumbag plagiarist.”
But it would help if you wished for half a brain. Then you’d only sound half as stupid! A win-win.
han
LMAO! You’re the best dude.
“Found another link sure to make your brick your ladies’ underpants - http://www.threeworldwars.com/overview.htm”
I think I bricked my ladies’ underpants! Who would have accurately predicted three world wars “exactly as Alfred Pike’s vision had foretold.”
Wow that Alfred Pike was quite a visionary . . . he musta had satanic or occult powers or fumfin: can you say “ouija board” ?
Oh my, in fact he did:
“Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium.”
Here’s a formula even uneducated Einstein could come up with:
jew hating hanover + anything = comedy
Yeah, moRON…almost as funny as you with a mouthful of choda.
Didn’t I tell you not to ascribe any of your dumb prejudices to me? You don’t fucking know me…you’re an asshat at best, and a mendicant, most likely.
I don’t run away from anything, dickcheese…I will simply respond the way I WANT TO…not the way you want me to do so.
Here - I have another formula:
moRON + any wrongdoing by the jews = bitching, moaning and whining about how persecuted you are…not that you did anything wrong
See how easy it is?
Hey Ronnie:
Other people use my reviews; I do not copy from anybody.
It wasn’t the Arabs who called the mother of Jesus a “WHORE” – it was the Jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who wrote the largest assemblage of anti-Christ/Christian hate literature (TALMUD) in history – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who mocked the early death of our Lord – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who declared that our Lord’s fate was to be boiled alive in a pit of excrement (shit) – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who said that Jesus “ seduced, corrupted and destroyed Israel” – it was the jews.
It wasn’t the Arabs who called Jesus an “ Idolator” and “seducer” – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who said Christians “were idolators, the worst kind of people, much worse than the Turks, murderers, fornicators, impure animals, like dirt, unworthy to be called men, beasts in human form, worthy of the name of beasts, cows, asses pigs, dogs and worse than dogs; that they propagate after the manner of beasts, that they have a diabolic origin, that their souls came from the devil in hell after death; and that even the body of a dead Christian is nothing different from that of an animal” – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who said “ A Nazarine is one who follows the false teachings of Christ..” it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who called Christians “Goy” – an insulting and demeaning term – lower than an animal, it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who said that the sexual intercourse between Christians is like that of a beast – it was the jews.
It wasn’t the Arabs who said that “ They (Christians) give birth to sucklings the same as dogs” – it was the jews.
It wasn’t Arabs that said “The seed of a ‘Goy’ (Christian) is the same as that of a beast” – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs who were called the “children of the Devil – By Christ- God – it was the jews
It wasn’t the Arabs whose laws demanded that a Christian’s greeting must not be returned – it was the jews.
It wasn’t the Arabs whose law states that they cannot go before a Christian Judge – it was the jews.
It wasn’t the Arabs whose laws state that a Christian – because he is considered lower than an animal – cannot be used as a witness – it was the jews.
It was not the Arabs who refused to associate with Christians because they were considered unworthy and “unclean” – it was the jews.
It is not the Arabs who must refuse to be attended by a Goy Christian physician – it is the jews
It is not the Arabs who teach that whenever possible they must murder Christians and do so without mercy – it was the jews
It is not the Arabs who call Mary, the mother of Jesus – “chairia” – shit, dung , it is the jews
It is not the Arabs who call Christian Saints perverts an homosexuals. It is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who call Christian Churches a house of evil – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that Christians honor ‘their’ God ( Jesus) by shitting before Him – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs whose law says that Christians must NOT be told if they are paying too much – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that the rightful property of Christians must NOT be returned to them – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teachings state that it is allowed to cheat/defraud Christians – it s the jews.
It is not the Arabs whose written laws encourage ‘usury’ against Christian ‘Goy’ – it is the jews.
It is not Arab law that teaches that they may lie and perjure themselves to condemn a Christian – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that an injured Christian must NOT be aided – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that a Christian must ALWAYS be deceived whenever possible – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs that teach a Christian woman in childbirth or that ANY Christian in danger of DEATH must NOT be helped – it is the jews
It is not the Arabs who teach that all of the Christians – even the best of them are to be killed ( as were 20,000,000 Christians in Russia!) – it was the jews
It is not the Arabs who teach their ilk that no festival – no matter how solemn, must prevent the murder of a Christian – it was the jews
It is not the Arabs whose leader teach that it is OK for them to do evil if they do it in a city where they are not known – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that hitting one of them is the SAME as hitting God – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who are taught that if they are hit by a Christian, it is permissible to murder that Christian – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who teach that they need not pay a just debt to a Christian – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who are taught it is good to rob, cheat or kill a Christian – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who consider all Christian children as “ animals’ – it is the jews.
It is not the Arabs who taught that the disciples of Jesus practiced sorcery and black magic – it was the jews.
It is not the Arabs who were taught that the very name of Jesus was an abomination – it was the jews.
It is not the Arabs who were taught that agriculture is the lowest form of occupations – it was the jews.
It is not the Arabs who are taught that it is “nothing” for an adult male to have sex with a pre-school child (sound very much like the USA jew originated NAMBLA perverts?) – it is the jew.
It was not the Arabs who recently wrecked our entire economy and looted the country as did mega criminals like JEW – Nicholas Cosmo – stole $300,000,000 or JEW Arthur Nadel – stole $400,000,000 or Talmudic JEW, Ezra Merkin – stole $2,400,000,000 – or JEW thief, Bernie Madoff – stole $50,000,000,000 or JEW mega traitor, nation robber – *Rabbi Dov Zakheim – who literally raped our nation (the Pentagon) for a whopping $2,000,000,000,000! – The largest [Pentagon] theft in America’s history!
Joe Cortina is the author of this piece. Though I’m sure I’ll have to endure some whining on your part, moRON.
Oh, dear…it’s looks as if I’m about to pass on another error. Let me correct it before moRON takes me to task…Zakheim STOLE Two.point Three TRILLION DOLLARS. Let’s show that corrected figure, announced by Donald “DU tastes good on steak and young boys” Rumsfeld on September 10, 2001: $2.300,000,000,000.
I’m going to buy a Talmud…and use it for TOILET PAPER.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126286.html
Tolerant, pluralistic Israel, Ronnie - as documented by the US State Department published in Ha’aretz. Read all about it Ronnie.
I do not copy from anybody.
Yeah that’s right. He’s so determined to not copy anyone he doesn’t even read the copy he’s reviewing. So there, Ronny.
John…just in case moRON refuses to believe in your link…
Israel dismally fails the requirements of a tolerant pluralistic society, according to a new report from the U.S. State Department.
Despite boasting religious freedom and protection of all holy sites, Israel falls short in tolerance toward minorities, equal treatment of ethnic groups, openness toward various streams within society, and respect for holy and other sites.
The comprehensive report, written by the State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, says Israel discriminates against groups including Muslims, Jehova’s Witnesses, Reform Jews, Christians, women and Bedouin.
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The report says that the 1967 law on the protection of holy places refers to all religious groups in the country, including in Jerusalem, but “the government implements regulations only for Jewish sites. Non-Jewish holy sites do not enjoy legal protection under it because the government does not recognize them as official holy sites.”
At the end of 2008, for example, all of the 137 officially recognized holy sites were Jewish. Moreover, Israel issued regulations for the identification, preservation and guarding of Jewish sites only. Many Christian and Muslim sites are said to be neglected, inaccessible or at risk of exploitation by real estate entrepreneurs and local authorities.
The report makes it clear that practices that have become routine in Israel are considered unacceptable in enlightened countries and should be corrected.
Among other examples, the report notes that more than 300,000 immigrants who are not considered Jewish under rabbinical law are not allowed to marry and divorce in Israel or be buried in Jewish cemeteries.
Ooh…looks like the shine has rubbed off of the great state of intolerant bastards. And Ha’aretz wrote this, pal…is that why Haim Saban has his panties in a twist trying to buy it?
“Tolerant, pluralistic Israel, Ronnie - as documented by the US State Department published in Ha’aretz.”
I read all about it. Your a plagiarizer of other people’s reviews who doesn’t bother to read what the book they review…and you’re a pedophile nazi hillbilly.
Besides all that, the link you posted was to an opinion piece about the 2009 Report on International Religious Freedom. Too bad you always link to stuff you don’t actually read it makes you look silly.
Here’s a sample of what DOS actually said, as opposed to what the opinion said the report said:
“Government policy continued to support the generally free practice of religion, although governmental and legal discrimination against non-Jews and non-Orthodox Judaism continued.”
Specifically:
“For example, the Government continued to discriminate against non-Orthodox Jewish citizens through some policies based on Orthodox Jewish interpretations of religious law.”
But fear not:
In addition to the Government policy to support the free practice of religion: “numerous NGOs in the country remained dedicated to promoting Jewish-Arab coexistence and interfaith harmony.”
The same policy is not true, however, of the Palestinians. Sadly for Palestinians:
“The PA did not take sufficient action during the reporting period to investigate and bring to justice persons who harassed, intimidated, and perpetrated attacks against Christian residents.”
There doesn’t seem to be the same level of support from the Palestinians:
“The PA did not officially sponsor interfaith dialogue during the reporting period”
which, as suspected, lead to:
“reports of societal abuses or discrimination based on religious affiliation, belief, or practice, primarily between Christians and Muslims during the reporting period.”
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Do you think I should quote anything in the report about Israel’s other neighbors? Heheh let’s try uhm Saudi Arabia:
“Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice.”
No no wait, Syria:
“The Constitution provides for freedom of religion; however, the Government imposes restrictions on this right”
Unlike “Tolerant, pluralistic Israel” in Syria: “the government restricts full freedom of choice on religious matters” and “the Government continued to prosecute persons aggressively for their alleged membership in the Muslim Brotherhood or Salafist movements and continued to outlaw the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
And also unlike in “Tolerant, pluralistic Israel” in Syria: “the Government continued to monitor the activities of all groups, including religious groups.”
Tsk tsk john, how many times do I gotta warn you about stealing other people’s reviews without reading the stuff yourself?
“Oh, dear…it’s looks as if I’m about to pass on another error”
Heheh hanover I give you a 91 in ’self-realization.’
“And Ha’aretz wrote this, pal”
That’s right, you’re quoting from an opinion in a leading Israeli paper because in “Tolerant, pluralistic Israel” you are free to criticize the government, something all the leading papers, routinely do in “enlightened countries.”
Unlike the “intolerant bastards” everywhere else in the middle east.
Israeli and foreign NGOs have the freedom to, and regularly do, bring cases before the Supreme Court in “Tolerant, pluralistic Israel” to change bad laws.
“Israeli and foreign NGOs have the freedom to, and regularly do, bring cases before the Supreme Court in “Tolerant, pluralistic Israel” to change bad laws.”…
…unless you are not Israeli…then all you get is FUCKED.
“…unless you are not Israeli…then all you get is FUCKED.”
Devil boy, this is for sequestrating, fifth columnist, quisling, mendicant, pilferers who suborned our representatives minds such as yours from your UNHRC:
“The [Israeli] judiciary is independent and regularly rules against the government. The Supreme Court hears direct petitions from citizens and Palestinian residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In recent years, the Supreme Court has repeatedly ordered the rerouting of the West Bank security barrier to decrease its negative effects on Palestinian residents.”
- Freedom in the World 2009 - Israel UNHRC
“…unless you are not Israeli…then all you get is FUCKED.”
Or as the founder of Human Rights Watch said:
“Israel, with a population of 7.4 million, is home to at least 80 human rights organizations, a vibrant free press, a democratically elected government, a judiciary that frequently rules against the government, a politically active academia, multiple political parties and, judging by the amount of news coverage, probably more journalists per capita than any other country in the world.”
Oh Ronnie:
What a pathetic, determined liar you are! Has that wonderful Israeli Supreme Court ordered Zionism’s Berlin wall torn down yet? You fucking schmucks steal someone else’s land, you expel the natives into the desert to starve, you practice Jews first, Arabs last on everything and then you read us a press release on how “democratic” your beloved kike- reich is. Really, Ronnie?
I recall that Stalin’s Russia also used to be the most “peace loving democracy” in the world back in the 1930’s. You and Fang The Fuck have no shame. Jews had nothing to do with Communism, the Arabs commited the “crime” of defending their land from a Zionist takeover, the “gassing” of the Jews is a provable fact despite the forensic evidence against it, two big, bad planes melted the steel beams of two buildings, not the detonation charges inside the buildings, on and on the BS goes.
It all must be true because you two circumsized pieces of shit say so.
http://buchanan.org/blog/israel-stop-east-jerusalem-home-demolitions-2910
Some more good ‘ole Zionist “democracy” in action, Ronnie. Where is that big, brave Israeli Supreme Court when you need it?
“Has that wonderful Israeli Supreme Court ordered Zionism’s Berlin wall torn down yet?”
No, if you read what I wrote you’d know that the Supreme Court ordered the separation fence moved several times. They did so after petitions from palestinians and NGOs who filed court cases in israel.
It’s not a Berlin Wall, The actual concrete wall portion - roughly 10% of the total - is more of what you’d call an anti-sniper barrier, and has had the effect of virtually eliminating suicide bombers from Israel from those towns which it borders - a fact captured suicide bombers and statistics on suicide attacks admit.
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“Tolerant, pluralistic Israel”
You know John, as you are an open racist, jew hater, pedophile and misogynist - who constantly complains about how tolerant and pluralistic the US has become - you really shouldn’t be complaining that other countries aren’t as tolerant or pluralistic as the US strives to be.
RACIAL CONSERVATISM
Racial conservatism is the basis of all conservatism. Without it, economic conservatism counts for nothing. A free market for white, culturally similar individuals is admirable; a free market for Chinese, Hindus, Mexicans and Caribbean riffraff is an obscenity. Individualism is a time honored American tradition. But who wants to be an individual when every individual surrounding you has a black, brown or yellow face? Racial conservatism need not mean National Socialism. Whites who want America to remain white are not National Socialists any more than Frenchmen who want France to remain the land of the Gauls are National Socialists. A racial conservative wants the America of the founding fathers – a land of English, Irish and later German Europeans. He wants to see the Christian cross on churches across the land, not because he is necessarily a Christian but because he recognizes the cross of Christ as a symbol of western European civilization. He does not want to see the Chinese Pagoda, the Buddhist temple or the Arabian mosque. These things are not of western civilization. He sees in the Christian cross the sword of Le Cid and Charles Martel, not the “turn the other cheek” philosopher of social Christianity. The phrase Holy Roman Empire resonates in his mind with the iron discipline of the legion, not the gently grazing herd.
A racial conservative believes in getting ahead and the work ethic. He does not worship poverty or disparage investment. But never, ever does he put his pocketbook above his race, culture and country. A racial conservative will fight first and make money second. He will not miscegenate any more than he will expect the state to take care of him. He admires Andrew Carnegie and Henry Ford but remembers that it was Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett whose blood made the former possible. A racial conservative welcomes the Jew who makes his peace with Christ and the civilization he sponsored. But he seeks no compromise with the Khazar Reich in Palestine and the ghettoized followers of Marx.
A racial conservative is the future of America if America is to have a future. All stands or falls on racial conservatism. Without racial conservatism all other conservatisms ring hollow.
Ronnie Schmuck:
We all know that everything the Kike-Reich does is self defense by definition. And that wall is not coming down, despite your socially conscious Israeli Supreme Court, anymore than 700,000 refugees are coming home, courtesy of that same court. Schmuck scum like you preach diversity and tolerance to the stupid goyim but in Khazar Reich Israel, there is only death and destruction for the Arab sub-humans.
Go fuck yourself, Ronnie Scmuck - and practice the upside down think on someone who is stupid enough to buy it.
idk you seem pretty stupid to me.
You have bought into hitler hook, line and sinker. You’ve bought into pedophilia, misogynism, 911 conspiracies, racism etc you seem like the perfect idiot to me who will buy into any dribble on the flimsiest, glaringly false and contradictory evidence imaginable.
But hey, continue to criticize Israel’s for not being a 100% perfectly pluralistic and tolerant society while you strive for a 100% perfectly racist and intolerant society here in the U.S.
You’re certainly stupid enough.
Ronnie Khazar Cocksucker:
As you have proved over and over again on this debate board, you are too stupid to analyze evidence on any subject. But don’t worry. You are one of “God’s Chosen” - and evidence and truth are whatever you say they are.
Now go to Khazar land and practice all the suicidal concepts you preach to goyim.
“who wants to be an individual when every individual surrounding you has a black, brown or yellow face?”
“a free market for Chinese, Hindus, Mexicans and Caribbean riffraff is an obscenity.”
…and you’re criticizing Israel for not being “tolerant” and “pluralistic”?
Ronnie Double Thinker:
I have never believed in rights for anyone other than whites. I have never pretended to. I am simply asking why schmucks like you believe in “diversity’ for everyone but yourselves in your real country. I haven’t read the answer and I really do not expect to get one.
The explanation by one 15-year-old NLR member typified the thought process of hate-motivated skinheads. He said, in effect, “I dropped out of school in the eighth grade, but I stopped learning midway through the sixth grade. I covered my body with hate tattoos. I couldn’t get a good job if I wanted to. No one would hire me. Once, I tried to get a job at a fast food restaurant, but the manager refused to hire me because the restaurant served multiracial customers. If I quit being a skinhead, I have nothing. I am nothing. I have no choice but to be a skinhead. I expect to die a young, violent death.”
The ultimate goal of haters is to destroy the object of their hate. Mastery over life and death imbues the hater with godlike power and omnipotence, which, in turn, facilitate further acts of violence. With this power comes a great sense of self-worth and value, the very qualities haters lack. However, in reality, hate physically and psychologically destroys both the hater and the hated.
Hate-motivated skinheads have well-rehearsed answers for questions, such as “Why do you hate?” “Can’t you see what you’re doing is wrong?” “How would you like it if someone picked on you because of your race?” Skinheads answer smugly; they feel secure as skinheads. Because hate masks personal insecurities, interviewers should temporarily forego questions about why skinheads hate and strive to identify the skinheads’ personal insecurities. Interviewers should begin this probe by asking skinheads about their family relationships, which probably represent the source of the skinhead’s insecurities because a sense of who people are and where they fit in society typically develops within the family structure. Interviewers also should explore skinheads’ future plans, educational goals, and desired employment. This forces skinheads to see themselves as they really are. If forced to look at themselves, skinheads become vulnerable, less resistant to rehabilitation, and, in law enforcement settings, more likely to confess. This process could take several hours or many months depending on the resistance level of the skinhead.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups355.html
“I am simply asking why schmucks like you believe in “diversity’ for everyone but yourselves in your real country.”
No you aren’t. You criticize israel for not being tolerant and pluralistic when you strive to be intolerant, exclusive and hateful.
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I don’t know what “believe in diversity for everyone but yourselves” actually means. Israel and the US are pretty diverse places.
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“in your real country”
You and devil boy like the dual loyalty label for jews. If you really cared about treason, dual loyalties and actual threats to American lives, look at the headlines all this week. Then you’d know what the terms dual loyalties, treason and threat to american lives looks like.
If not, go visit Ft. Hood or any of the victims of the D.C.sniper, they’ll tell all about it.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee261/FrankPilla/ishot2kills.jpg
You scumbags are all heart…
Got a question…why do you think anyone gives a dreidel about some silly-ass skinhead? Hell, I’m more of a Hitler apologist that John Thames…and how about owning the fact that he was a Chosen One? Doesn’t matter if he was “self-hating” or some such nonsense…you have to own up to it.
“I have never believed in rights for anyone other than whites.”
John Thames, I am curious to know what you base this position on.
Oh Ronnie:
You and Fang The Fuck are too much.
You like to promote this myth that your opponents are illiterate, ignorant hillbillies, unemployable and born losers. Then, when you run up against someone who is none of those things, all you can do is repeat the same lies endlessly, trying to make the inconvenient facts fit your false stereotype. Its like Ronnie’s pathetic lie that I copy other people’s essays and pass them off as my own. In fact, I write them all myself - like the obviously ignorant, uneducated man I am.
In actual fact, I have a Bachelor of Arts degree from a major university and millions behind me. I also had quite a successful career in corporate America before I retired, comfortable and secure. I do not have a tatoo on my body and would never consider getting one. Since you cannot deal with these facts, you simply lie.
The attempt to dismiss Holocaust Deniers and other heretics as fruitcakes will not wash. Many of them are very highly educated, like Professor Arthur Butz who teaches electrical engineering or Jurgen Graf who is a whiz in many languges. Carlo Mattogno is likewise a very expert researcher and university tyrained classicist. Professor Robert Faurrison’s academic credentials are also well established. Go to any revisionist conference and you will find a multiplicity of doctors and lawyers present. I point out Sam Dickson as an obvious example. Patrick Buchanan, a revisionist who more and more comes out of the closet, is very learned and well read.
If any revisionist is unemployed, it is because of blacklisting and other terror tactics employed by cocksuckers like you two. As to Ronnie the lie shit who claims that Israel is a “pretty diverse place”, is that so, Ronnie? That must be why the Jewish National Fund refuses to sublease Jewish land to any Arab. It also must be why Jews from abroad who have Jewish fathers but not Jewish mothers are not recognized as real Jews by that enlightened psycho rabbinate. And yes, Fort Hood. Gee Ronnie, here we have a perfect illustration of the folly of diversity. We support the state of Israel and its never ending crimes against Palestinians, then we recruit a Jordanian-Palestinian into the US Army and act surprised when he takes revenge. Brilliant, huh?
Jews like you scream about Fort Hood but you do not mention that if it were not for US support of Israel and its never ending brutalities the incident never would have happened. And you don’t scream the same way when your fellow schmucks attack US intelligence ships in the 1967 war with the intent of blaming it on the Arabs - and then pretend that it was “mistaken identity” when they get caught. No,you don’t scream about that but you want Americans to believe that all Arabs are the enemy so that you can get dumb American goyim to attack Iran.
I recall that when Bradley Smith started his campus campaign that some Jew punk journalist libeled him as a “racist”. When Bradley pointed out that his wife was a Mexican, the Jew journalist had nothing to say. Rather like you two, I suppose. So go right on lying; I’m sure you will. You have nothing factual to offer, just the same stale allegations that I am psychologically disturbed, living in the 19th century, a pedophile (merely because I point out that age of consent laws were once much lower than they are now, not because I personally have the slightest interest in 10 year olds), etc.
You are both lying kosher scum and I treat you for precisely what you are.
Steve:
I base it on the intent of the Founding Fathers all of whom were white supremacists and all of whom wanted the US to be a nation of English, Scotch and Irish descent. Their statements are a matter of historical record.Just to take one example Thomas Jefferson wrote a famous statement that “Nothing was more surely written than that “this people (meaning blacks) should be free” which statement appears on the Washington monument in the nation’s capitol but then continued that “being free they cannot live side-by-side in the same nation. Nature has drawn indelible lines of sistinctyion between them…”, etc.
“You like to promote this myth that your opponents are illiterate, ignorant hillbillies, unemployable and born losers.”
Actually we don’t, you and Hanover do a super job promoting yourselves.
“The attempt to dismiss Holocaust Deniers and other heretics as fruitcakes will not wash. Many of them are very highly educated”
If “fruitcake” means insane, then education has nothing to do with being a “fruitcake.” Hasan was highly educated too.
You are not highly educated. You plagiarize other people’s reviews and claim them as your “own original creation”, you’re also a pedophile, a misogynist, a jew hater, a rabid racist and you’re not very smart.
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“I point out that age of consent laws were once much lower”
I call you a pedophile because after defending Polanski’s drugging and raping a 13 year old, you admitted you: “engage in dissident thoughts” about sex with prepubescent children.
You also incorrectly stated the age of consent in Spain and I thought it was suspicious that someone would pay attention to international age of consent laws unless they were hoping to score some young booty.
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“we recruit a Jordanian-Palestinian into the US Army and act surprised when he takes revenge”
When Hasan killed 13 Americans, the D.C. sniper Muhammad killed 10 fellow Americans and John Walker Lindh killed American soldiers in Afghanistan, all out of sympathy for al-Qaeda, you have dual loyalty, treason and an immediate threat to American lives.
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“if it were not for US support of Israel and its never ending brutalities the incident never would have happened”
Hasan didn’t go on a killing spree over American Israeli relations. Neither did Mohammed the D.C. sniper or Lindh, the American Taliban. They killed Americans because they identified with al-Qaeda’s goal to overthrow the United States and establish an Islamic world order.
That’s what dual loyalty looks like.
You like to promote this myth that your opponents are illiterate, ignorant hillbillies, unemployable and born losers
Actually I was promoting the fact that you feel inadequate, and you feel insecure. I was promoting the fact that you say the things you do to mask these insecurities, and project these perceived flaws on to others. I was promoting the fact that you view this discourse in terms of self aggrandizement, and that your world view is skewed by the dissonance between your view of yourself, and your view of others.
I don’t think I’ve ever called you a hillbilly, illiterate, or unemployable. Those are things you projected on to yourself, just like that kid projected those same ideas on to himself.
Keep on lying guys.
You know nothing about my so-called “inadequacies”. In fact, both of you know nothing, period. I would call attacking a US intelligence ship and trying to provoke war with Iran for Israel’s benefit “dual loyalty”. But then, I’m not a lying Jerw scum bag, like Ronnie.
Al Quaeda is nothing; the Zionist international is the issue.
No, no, Fang.
I do not call myself, illiterate, unemployable and a hillbilly. That is what your learned side kick, Ronnie schmuck, calls me.
You know nothing about my so-called “inadequacies”.
I only know what you’ve told me by the way you comport yourself here.
Once again you tried to impress us with details of your personal life. Why is that, John? I thought you didn’t care what we thought?
I do not call myself, illiterate, unemployable and a hillbilly. That is what your learned side kick, Ronnie schmuck, calls me.
So? You call me a homosexual all the time. Do you see me trying to prove anything about my sexuality to you?
The point is that you responded by telling us you’re not a hillbilly because you have a BA and a million dollars. I claimed that you have dysfunctional relationships with women, and you respond by telling us that used to have sex with other people’s wives. You keep introducing new things about yourself and each time you do it defines you.
Do you really think that telling us how much money you have will change anyone’s opinion of you? Do you really think that sex with other people’s wives is a sign of healthy relationships with women? Do you know what intimacy is? Are you worried that you’re gay because you only fulfill your need for intimacy with other men? Is that why you’re so scared of homosexuality?
Once again, moRON…you know NOTHING about John and I, except what you produce out of thin air…and by that I mean the matter between your ears.
JT just slapped the crap outta you, and you’re trying to say that the red welt on your face is NOTHING. So stupid, and so obvious.
You are aware that Lincoln couldn’t give two watermelons about the slaves, right? The Thirteenth Amendment that you ididots all know and love was created in 1860, and have nothing to do with emancipation of slavery; rather, it is a notification of the enslavement of WE THE PEOPLE. Do some research on the original Thirteenth Amendment, also known as the Titles of Nobility Amendment - check the bloglist on my page if you’re too lazy.
Basically, the ToNA states that anyone who accepts favors from a foreign nation can NOT obtain or occupy a position within U.S. Government. This was replaced by the abomination that is called the 13th Amendment.
Dr. Freud:
I do not give a flying fuck what you think of my behavior. Keep your psychoanalysis to yourself. I do not consider feminist marriage a good deal for men. A lot of men less wise than I think so too. I prefer to avoid their mistakes.
Any information I volunteer about myself is only in response to the lies you two spread about me. And no one can analyze another through a mere debate. I know that but you don’t. Now, try refuting the facts (something you cannot do).
Hey Ronnie:
If you keep lying about me copying other peoples essays and claiming them as my own, other people might think that you are lying about other things as well (You are. Like mythical Islamic conspiracies to conquer the world. Try some “Wicked Kaiser” laughing gas, Ronnie.)
“POWERLESS JEWS”
Jewish communism is the perfect paradigm of Jewish power and powerlessness. The Jewish commissars of Joseph Stalin wielded the absolute power of life and death over millions of people. Yet the Jews of the rest of the world had no power to overthrow them. Ultimate power and ultimate powerlessness existed side-by-side – or so we are told. But the “powerless” Jews did some very interesting things while professing the inability to help the victims of Jewish communism. They congregated at Paris where they got the victorious Entente to grant them minority rights in Eastern Europe. They got the powerful British Empire to grant a mandate over Palestine to create an embryonic Jewish state. They actually or allegedly got the United States into the war based on a “contract with Jewry”. They did some amazing things for a powerless people. Before the Great War they also did some amazing things. The Jews got the British empire to attack the Dutch in South Africa in the year 1900 so that financiers with names like Barney Barnato, Lionel Philips, Samuel Montague, Ernest Oppenheimer and Berner and Weit could get their hands on the gold and diamonds of the land. In 1878 at the treaty of San Stefano they managed to pressure the Rumanians into agreeing to stop “persecuting” Jews. But when the Bolshevik blood bath occurred in 1917 Jews could do nothing except applaud the achievement of their fellow Jews in overthrowing Czarist autocracy – and shipping millions in gold into Russia courtesy of Olaf Achsberg, Dimitri Rubenstein, Israel Lazaretich Gelphand and Jacob Schiff.
After 1917 these “powerless” Jews were once again illustrating the flexibility of their conscience. They still could not do anything about the mass murders of the Jewish Bolsheviks. But Julius Rosenwald of Sears, Roebuck and Company and the American Jewish Committee could invest millions in planting Jewish agricultural colonies in the Crimea. The Joint Distribution Committee could work with KOMZET in helping needy victims of “scientific socialism”. And the extremely powerful World Zionist Organization and the Jewish Agency for Palestine could always demand that the British retract inconvenient White Papers about discriminatory Jewish labor practices in Palestine. In America “powerless” Jews within the Roosevelt administration like Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Samuel Rosenman, Felix Frankfurter, Louis Brandeis, Frances Perkins, Harold Ickes and Herbert Lehman, among others, were pressuring Roosevelt into war against Adolf Hitler. (Let’s be fair, though. They couldn’t get as many Jews into America as they wanted because of that obstructionist State Department.)
After WW2 these “powerless” Jews were stage-managing the Nuremberg Trial behind the scenes. They were hanging the German defendants during the Jewish high holidays of October 1946. But they couldn’t be bothered to do anything about all those Jewish commissars moving into Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Rumania. In November 1947 “powerless” Jews at the United Nations were twisting the arms of delegates from all over the world to get an unwilling United Nations to partition Palestine against the wishes of its Arab inhabitants. These same “powerless” Jews were grabbing the balls of Harry Truman to make sure he recognized Israel the moment it was proclaimed. Jews can pressure American presidents but cannot manage to call Moishe long distance on his gulag cell phone. These days Jews can demand war against Iraq and Iran. They have come a long way since Paris 1919 where they could do none of these things.
Jews can manage to prosecute Nazis till the end of time but cannot find a Kaganovich or Yagoda clone to extradite from his Moscow apartment. We should all be grateful that Jews are so powerless. God only knows how many millions of Solzhenitsyns they could have saved if they actually possessed the power which delusional anti-Semites say they do.
Just remember, Ronnie. I just wrote it. I didn’t “copy and paste” from anybody but me.
H1N1 ZIONISM
Who would ever have believed that in the year 1948 a force was created in Palestine which would one day wag the tail of the mighty United States? Yet this force, almost unnoticed at the time, would eventually conquer the United States more completely than the dread Soviet Union before it faded into oblivion. While the U.S. trembled before the image of Joseph Stalin and the Red Star, a force more powerful by far was insinuating its way into the deepest marrow of the U.S. government. Joseph Stalin feared this force because he knew that it ruled the United States the same way it ruled the hearts of the Communist Party’s most devoted ethnic members. Stalin was a Georgian but he knew the Jews – even those who served him so well.
Americans know nothing of the Jews other than that Adolf Hitler persecuted them. Stalin knew the danger of divided loyalties. He could employ Jews in huge numbers as his chief gulag executioners and leading commissars – but only so long as they remained loyal to the Soviet state. Once they swore loyalty to the Zionist flag, he disposed of them. In the United States, the danger was quickly forgotten. Jews were allowed the luxury of dual loyalty – something which the wiser communist state denied them. And that is how Zionism was destroyed in Soviet Russia but allowed to flourish in the United States. Communism as a system never had much to recommend it. It is therefore one of the great ironies of history that a system as economically successful as the United States could be so blind politically to tolerate Zionism but a system so economically inept as the Soviet Union could be so astute politically on the dangers of Zionism. Communism cannibalized itself through its own inefficiencies. The United States is being devoured by a cancer for which it never developed the proper inoculation.
THAT WHICH IS AND ISN’T
Jewish communism was the horror of the twentieth century. It remains the unparalleled evil of history. Yet the source of the evil remains and its guilt remains unpunished. The Jews have an unparalleled gift for turning the truth upside down. They have made the man and the movement that opposed communism the source of all evil. Meanwhile, Jewish responsibility for history’s greatest crime goes down the historical memory hole. The Nazi Holocaust has been replayed on the TV set more times than anyone can count. But the real crime is never shown, still less the faces of the real criminals.
A Danish philosopher once stated that there were two ways to become confused: (1) to believe that which was not true or (2) to disbelieve that which was true. In the WW2 history that has been taught to the masses we have both principles at work. People believe in a fake “gassing” program but disbelieve in Jewish commissars. It is the inversion of the truth on the most colossal scale imaginable.
THE LITMUS TEST OF POWER
George Gilder’s book, “The Israel Test”, is actually a litmus test for Zionist sucking. The books utterly absurd thesis is that anti-Semitism is caused solely by envy of Jewish commercial success. Israel is now the center of advanced computer technology and should be emulated by all enthusiasts for capitalism. Palestinians are vile, evil Adolf Hitler worshippers who no right thinking gentile should have anything to do with. Compromise with the Arabs is unthinkable, etc. As Scott McConnell points out in the “American Conservative”, this is all basically twaddle. It has little to do with the historical reasons for anti-Semitism and absolutely nothing to do with the real history of the Palestinian-Zionist conflict.
In the first place, post-WW1 anti-Semitism was mainly concerned with the very real and very dangerous Jewish overrepresentation in the communist revolutions breaking out in Russia, Germany, Hungary and Poland. The 1919 “Red Scare” under attorney general Palmer was not about Jewish businessmen doing a legitimate trade but about the radical poison emanating from the Yiddish speaking sections of the East Side of New York. Gilder is also on dubious grounds when he equates Jewish commercial success with the principles of free enterprise. Historically, Jews have acquired their wealth through state monopoly and privilege. A good example would be the Jews of medieval Spain. These Jews became incredibly wealthy by acting as tax collectors to the Jews of Spain. They would receive their commissions based on how much they could extort from the citizens. Other Jews would lend money to indigent citizens at rates as high as high as 50% compound per annum and then take everything they owned when the loan could not be repaid. The Jewish trade in slaves based on crown granted monopoly of war prisoners was another source of fabulous Jewish wealth. When the socialist Roosevelt New Deal came to power in America, it was swarms of Jews who moved into the government agencies to, once again, profit from that “special relationship” with the state. George Gilder claims that Israel is the center of capitalism. But he ignores that until the Likud came to power in 1977, Israel had been founded by Jewish Marxists from Russia. Gilder’s understanding of the basics of the history of Zionism is non-existent. He seems not to comprehend that Palestinians had been working and farming the land for centuries before the Zionists came. Nor does he recognize that the Arabs were expelled by force in 1948, as even Israeli revisionist historians now admit.
“The Israel Test” is a polemic designed to curry favor with all the right people. There is no other way to explain its extreme bias and deletion of the entire historical record bearing on the creation of the Zionist state. “The Israel Test” will not impress any knowledgeable reader with its thesis but it will impress on anyone who looks at it with the extreme power that Zionists wield in the United States – and the necessity of sucking up to them.
John Thames,
The founding fathers??
This was the era of empire and slavery, who was’nt a white supremacist then?
Those Idea’s are no longer credible.
You will have to explain to me why whites are the supreme race.
No arguement you can offer will have any credence, because white supremacy is complete nonsense.
I never said that whites are the supreme race (although they undoubtedly are). What I said is that whites have the right to live in a land created by them for them. As to slavery it has always existed and still exists today. Blacks use slavery as an excuse for failure. Whenever blacks are freed from white rule they relapse into the jungle. Everyone knows why.
INTELLECTUALS ARE PROSTITUTES
Intellectuals like to pretend that they are apostles of social progress. In fact, they are whores. One need merely look at the sorry record of doublethink and prevarication to realize that this is so. Intellectuals resemble nothing so much as a man licking his own asshole. Intellectuals cannot be taken seriously because no matter what they preach today, they will preach the exact opposite tomorrow. To do a before and after comparison is to realize immediately what charlatans they are. An intellectual is a “party line” thinker. This applies to politics, sociology and economics. The intellectuals who denounced the “war to end all wars” in 1920 were the same intellectuals who screamed for war against Adolf Hitler in 1939. The philosophers of free love in the 1960’s now rail against “sexual harassment”. The glorifiers of “scientific socialist” mass murder in Stalin’s Russia cannot stop sniveling over fake “gas chambers”. On and on it goes.
An intellectual’s mind is a revolving circle. One door leads to another. The only certainty of an intellectual is his uncertainty. Whenever you hear an intellectual take a position, just wait for him to take the contrary position. He will. In the age of religious dogma there was one unbending truth – the eternal word of God as embodied in the Bible or the Koran. In the age of the intellectual, there is only doublethink. God’s eternal word was always a lie but compared to the quicksand of the intellectual it was a better support beam for society.
Blacks use slavery as an excuse for failure
Weird. And whites like you use Jews.
How convenient. There must be a shitload of Jews out there because there is a shitload of white failure to reconcile.
Fang The Pseudo Intellectual:
The asinine comment assumes that I am a failure. I am not.
The average white woiuld hardly blame the Jews for his problems, given that the average white is not even remotely aware that Jews, as a separate international nation, even exist. All that is “Nazi propaganda - or so the average white has been told. The country is full of God fearing Christian whites who have been taught by Zionist Christianity that Khazars have a Biblical right to do anything they want in Palestine. I rather doubt that they are blaming “Dem Joos!” (to quote Ronnie Schmuck) either.
So you see Fang, the Talmudic twist think analogy fails. But it is a fact that many reputable people have had their careers destroyed or been thrown into prison for offending the official Jewish view of history. That is a fact - as opposed to “snivel rights”.
The asinine comment assumes that I am a failure. I am not.
That depends on your metric for success. Frankly, I’m not all that impressed that you screw other people’s wives and have a million dollars. I don’t think you are either.
Once again, Dr. Freud:
I do not give a shit what you think of how I live my life. Try refuting the facts - or psychoanalyze yourself to death.
Your facts are the product of a troubled mind. They are illusions that you have constructed to resolve the cognitive dissonance that arises from the dissatisfaction you feel with your own life, and the way that people have treated you.
And yes. You do give a shit what others think of you, or you would keep trying to impress us here.
OOH, Dr. Freud:
I see that you have passed Psychology 101 because you’ve mastered big words like “cognitive dissonance”. Tell me Dr. Freud. If I’m the troubled, psychologically disturbed individual you say I am, why do you try so hard to discredit me? Got nothing better to do?
No Dr. Freud, you do it because you are scared to death of the facts that you cannot refute. The next best tactic is to claim that I am a looney tune. If I did not respond to your slanders and slurs, then that fact would be held against me. You can make up any accusation you like; I really do not care. But you will never beat me on the facts which is what really offends you and your barking fido, Ronnie Boy.
You do it because you are scared to death of the facts that you cannot refute.
I’ve refuted your skewed view of the world countless times. So has Ron. You are the one that refuses to accept reality. That’s why I gave up trying to address the warped reality you live in, and gained an interest in why you choose to live in the warped reality.
These next two statements are contradictory.
Then that fact would be held against me
I really do not care.
You do care. Who are you worried is going to hold what I say against you if you don’t care what I say? That makes no sense, John.
why do you try so hard to discredit me?
It’s not that hard, John. You do most of the work yourself.
Fang The Pseudo Psychiatrist:
Debates are precisely about refuting what the other guy says. You and Ronnie have rebutted nothing. You are simply too stupid to realize it.
In all the nonsense that these two born idiots, Ronnie and Fang, have posted on this and other threads, there has been not one - repeat - not one - full length essay attempting to refute any of my factually unimpeachable essays. There have only been attempts to seize upon isolated sentences and make those the basis of “evade the issue” arguments.
Thus, Ronnie’s entire “refutation” of my “Fraud of Zionism” essay was to argue an obscure point of Theodore Herzl’s authorship or non’authorship of a given essay. The relevant facts on the real history of the Zionist movement were completely ignored. Similarly, an essay on the documented Jewish organizing activity prior to the Paris Peace Conference was reduced to obiter dicta on the income tax. An essay on the mutilation of Europe and the Middle East by the WW1 peace treaties was reduced to a minor error on the port of Aquaba. Nothing of any substance to the main issue was ever addressed.
The same technique is applied to Jews and Communism. The overwhelming preponderance of the Jews in the upper echelons of the Stalinist regime is ignored - while Ronnie trots out meaningless statistics on the general membership of the Communist Party. Bullshit, confusion and irrelevancy. And, of course, if these techniques do not work, accuse me of every neuroses and psychological affliction under the sun.
IMPLICATIONS
As all revisionists know, the story that six million Jews were killed by the German National Socialists is a hoax. Let us ask the indelicate question: Should the fake extermination be replaced with a real extermination? Some will say that the question is out of bounds, morally, politically and practically. But let us rephrase the question. Why should the Jews, who have collectively swindled the world in a fashion never hitherto seen, be allowed to walk? This is not ordinary street crime. This is not purse snatching. It is an international racket which has cost countless nations and corporations hundreds of billions of dollars for something that never happened. In purely financial terms, it is the largest swindle ever seen. But with all due respect to Swiss banks and German taxpayers, the money is the least of the swindle. An entire nation has been converted into the moral lepers of the post-World War Two world. It has been saddled with a guilt complex for sixty-five years. German has been pronounced “Jew killer” for half a century. No people have eaten more crow than the Germans. The rest of the world has been made into Germans by default for their failure to rescue the Jews from the fake extermination. The hoax has also been used to justify conquest, murder and extermination by the Jews. Without the hoax, driving the Arabs out of Palestine and trying to sell it as “self defense” would have been very difficult indeed. Israel has committed one atrocity after another using “six million” as an excuse. The “gas chamber” hoax has covered up the twenty million plus who perished in Soviet Russia – and the Jewish faces of the killers.
So let us ask the indelicate question: Why should the fake extermination of the Jews not be replaced by a real extermination? Why do they not have it coming? What possible basis for clemency can there be? The Jews have failed to come clean on the story. They prosecute and imprison those who expose their lie. They destroy the careers of those who insist on the facts. They repudiate, on this issue, every liberal principle they espouse as an article of faith. Do these facts entitle them to mercy? The Jews show no inclination to reform. They insist on the holiness of their lie and will not yield an inch. They continue to play their hoax on the TV set and refuse to permit any honest debate on the issue. Trapped by irrefutable revisionist research, they continue to lie. Anyone who examines this record and concludes that the Jews deserve clemency suffers from an exceedingly kind heart.
A kind heart is not what this situation requires. A ruthless mind, like Joseph Stalin’s, is required. This is not a situation calling for clemency. It is a situation calling for revenge. The revenge shall replace learned debate over what did or did not happen with the accomplished fact of what will happen. The dead bodies of exterminated Jews shall make passé what did or did not happen sixty-five years ago. Their corpses shall speak more eloquently than missing ashes ever did.
Hey Ronnie:
This should save you some work. Mr. Green has already come up with all your arguments for you. Aren’t I helpful?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/bolshevik-canard/
Bill,
Or should I say, Wilbur Sensor, Cicero, John Thames, Alexander Hamilton? No. I’m sure now that it’s Bill. It’s funny to me that you expect anyone to accept that endlosung der judenfrage was not the extermination of the Jews, but that it should have been. What a vicious circle you have argued yourself into. But that doesn’t interest me as much as this does:
Now, let me entertain you with the reality of marriage. It is allegedly a “partnership between equals”. Here is how this “partnership” really works. The woman works to support the man who stays home with the kids. The man decides his wife is no longer pleasing to him. He files for no-fault divorce. The wife is automatically hit with a restraining order banishing her from the house. She must pay for the husbands legal costs even though he is walking out on her. He gets the house, the car and all her money. He gets automatic custody of the kids, plus massive child support and alimony. He uses most of the money on himself, not on the kids whose welfare supposedly comes first.If the woman dares to oppose him in any way he files a false accusation that his wife was either abusing him or molesting the kids. The moment that he makes those accusations, the wife is automatically considered dangerous based on the principle that protecting children is more important than protecting falsely accused momies. Besides, false accusations by men against women are never punished by sexually biased judges. Thus, the husband can lie with impunity. If the wife actually does go berserk because she is being taken to the cleaners, then financial rape is no defense to the husband beating charge. Only blacks rioting in the streets or Jews beating up on Palestinian Arabs are entitled to the “I was abused” defense.
The poor woman is destroyed. Everything she ever struggled for has been taken from her - with no cause. She hardly ever gets to see her kids again. Her husband violates her visitation rights with impunity. She gets laid off and can no longer meet her child support payments. She is now a “dead beat” mother - abhorred by the same society that alows “pro-choice” fathers to shoot children they do not want. Her financial indigence is no excuse. She can be shipped off to Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan to fight for her country in a meaningless war - but she is still on the hook for rhe child support she cannot pay. She comes home with both legs missing and a greatly enlarged hole where her vagina used to be - only to listen to her ex-husband on the TV yapping about the “oppression of men”. She wonders why she was ever dumb enough to trust a man and get married. Now she knows the answer
http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?33,713498,page=3
It must really suck to not be able to have intimate relationships with women. I can see why it would make you so bitter and angry. I just wonder how long it will be before you pull a James W. Von Braun, or a George Sodini.
Fang:
You’re wrong about the name but that is irrelevant.
Instead of quoting me what I wrote, why don’t you try refuting it? Actually, I think Marc Rudov (who is Jewish) would agree with me. He is always accused of having psychological problems too.
John
“If you keep lying about me copying other peoples essays and claiming them as my own, other people might think that you are lying about other things as well”
No they won’t, because your “original” review of Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century, was a verbatim copy of two other reviews you mashed into one from here: http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2009/08/review-of-jewish-century-by-yuri.html
Then you called it your “original creation.” You didn’t give the two reviewers their credit, and you didn’t link to the site you copied other people’s work from.
Anyone with a high school education knows that’s plagiarism. You’re a plagiarist . . . and a dumb, uneducated, nazi, hillbilly racist, mindless jew hater who admits he likes to “engage in dissident thoughts” about sex with prepubescent children.
Now stay away from playgrounds you sicko.
Joh,
“Like mythical Islamic conspiracies to conquer the world”
I didn’t say Islamic conspiracies to conquer the world, I said:
Hasan the Fort Hood attacker, Mohammed the D.C. sniper, Lindh, the American Taliban, Reid the shoe bomber etc killed Americans (or tried to) because they identified with “al-Qaeda’s goal to overthrow the United States and establish an Islamic world order.”
Only you and hanover beleive al Qaeda is mythical.
No, I’m not wrong. Remember when you tried to post that article by linking to your desktop? Remember when you made the same mistake twice? Yeah, Bill. That was pretty dumb. Not to mention that you use the Bill Guru gmail account (which you also tried to link) when posting as John Thames.
Fang:
You’re the one who is dumb.
My Email isn’t my real name. Or didn’t you think of that one?
Ronnie Schmuck:
You are still too stupid to understand, aren’t you?
Other people are getting it from me. I’m not getting it from them. Bye, bye.
john,
“Other people are getting it from me”
Oh, so what you’re saying is that two other people stole your one review, then broke it into different parts, and then posted the parts into two separate reviews without giving you credit?
…and they did this years before you wrote your review eh?
oooooooooooooookay buh bye revisiono-man
Heh,
Yeah, and your windows account isn’t your real name either?
Right.
I’m quite sure that in the near future I’m going to read about someone named Bill who finally made good on his promise to crucify and stuff balls in someone’s mouth.
http://www.delawareohio.net/
Dear Dumb Shits:
I never put my real name on anything I write.
Ronnie Moron:
You are too dumb to realize that I wrote the one review; Kevin MacDoald wrote the other review. Neither of us copied anything the other wrote. And you have know idfea when I wrote my original essay; you only know when someone else posted it. Got it now, Ronnie dumb shit?
john
“So let us ask the indelicate question: Why should the fake extermination of the Jews not be replaced by a real extermination?”
…and here I believed your claim that you’re “not a mindless jew hater” omg!
bill guru: advocate for pedophilia, mass murder, racism and misogyny.
You’d make one hell of a holocaust museum exhibit
Hey Ronnie:
The Arabs of Palestine and the survivors of the Jewish commissars would second my proposal.
John,
Too little too late:
the “Arabs of Palestine” actually met with Hitler and Himmler, were given tours of camps in Europe, asked to set up a death camp in the levant during ww2, created the first arab language nazi radio station, and set up their own nazi ss unit. You’d be happy to know that mein kampf is still a big seller in the arab middle east and video of the concentration camps is aired on state run t.v. - in fact they are wild supporters of Hitler’s and your proposal.
. . . and eastern europe mostly eradicated the jews already.
. . . also your proposal would end medical tours to the Sheba Medical Center seeking an accurate prognosis of heart health from jewish doctors who have perfected a new, non-invasive brachial artery reactivity test to predict heart disease.
and even, *gasps* further research into the drugs that turn on a mechanism in cancer cells that causes them to die within 48 to 72 hours without harming normal tissue discovered by jewish professors at Tel Aviv University’s Sackler School of Medicine.
If you can’t get your wish, maybe you should boycott such efforts!
Ronnie:
As usual, your research is selective and self-serving.
Why don’t you tell us all about the special training camps for agricultural pursuits that the kindly, helpful Nazis were providing for German Jews back in the pre-war years? They are not quite as well known as those fake “gas chambers” of Auschwitz. And what about the dact that Rabbis Leo Baeck and Joachim Prinz were the ones who wrote the definition of a Jew in the Nuremberg laws for Adolf Hitler? No, you would rather bellyache about the Grand Mufti. Thr poor Jews were alive and well behind the Ural Mountains where no Nazi was killing them. Have we not been over this before, Ronnie Lie Schmuck?
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:oVmfECg5iSYJ:www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf+was+giving+women+the+vote+the+beginning+of+the+end&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgzHxSIvoA8nvV5tngoSDywiCOsQMutIZfmiJeQqEHoweCb1zLW270VsSwo9eoEPut2jg6rutAnwMDzjNK8gPDTyU_6uuDnPfrI85a6UHRi4T9r5IM-yCWFe8rQij-VIT0f9OzK&sig=AFQjCNG7h44aoFDCnNrj8YJtdU837a0vkQ
Here is a little essay on the negtive effects of giving women the vote.
Hey I’m not crazy! People who strap bombs to themselves, and take people hostage in movie theaters agree with me.
“Why don’t you tell us all about the special training camps for agricultural pursuits that the kindly, helpful Nazis were providing for German Jews back in the pre-war years?”
Is this some sort of joke, or are you displaying your ignorance on all things historical, judicial, business, scientific, moral and political again?
No Ronnie:
I’m just suggesting that you read Professor Nicosia’s book, “The Third Reich and the Palestine Question” where all these documented facts are discussed in detail.
Fang:
All those people who used to praise Stalin’s Russia as a land of milk and honey back in the 1930’s (like Walter Duranty of “What Unkrainian famine” fame) now assert that Nazi “gas chambers” are an indisputable fact. We are all known by the company that we keep.
“like Walter Duranty of “What Unkrainian famine” fame) now assert…”
Really, Walter is asserting stuff now? Is this some sort of joke, or are you displaying your ignorance on all things historical, judicial, business, scientific, moral and political again?
Let’s not worry about past and present tense, Ronnie. Duranty’s ideological heirs are still with us today. And since you have nothing to say about Nicosia’s book, why don’t you read “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators” by Jew Commie Lenni Brenner? Then you can blab some more about my “ignorance”.
http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2009/10/would-churchill-have-supported-bnp.html
Note Churchill comments on Jewish communists, etc.
http://www.rense.com/general51/strange.htm
Ronnie Schmuck should love this one.
“And since you have nothing to say about Nicosia’s book”
Given your history of misquoting books, misquoting me, falsely claiming to read books, relying on questionable sources, relying on reputable sources which contradict what you say, and your constant “name dropping” of books, don’t be surprised if I don’t bother to check every time you “name drop” a book.
Here is my response to all of the books you plan to say you’ve read (based on our experience with “behind the banner”):
“You can’t even get the stupid title right dumbo. Stick to david duck.com and Stormfront.”
…and stay away from playgrounds you pervert.
Ronnie Lie Schmuck:
First you pretend that I don’t write my own essays, then you pretend that I have not read the research volumes I constantly refer to. Unfortunately fior you Ronnie, I possess all the volumes referred to - and I have read them extensively. And no, dialectical dick head Ronnie, an innocent gaffe on the title of a book does not disprove the contents.
Zionist assholes like you are always claiming that anti-Zionists are ignorant fools who do not know the facts. Then, when they come up with the facts in abundance, you say that they are “distorting the facts”. Actually, Ronnie shit, you and Fang the Fuck are the distorters of facts. You lie constantly - and won’t even admit it when you are caught with your pants down.
Yes Ronnie, those kindly, helpful Nazis did indeed have agricultural training camps for German Jews - and yes, Ronnie, those kindly, helpful Nazis did indeed constantly assist those German Jews who wanted to leave Palestine and go to Palestine. The Central Emigration Office of the SS was always helping Jews sail down the Danube toward the Promised Land. Just ask Feivel Polkes and the Haganah all about it.
Shmuck Heil!, Ronnie.
Hey Ronnie:
Remember Sigried Moses, George Landauer, George Kareski, Mark Blumenfeld and all those other leaders of German Zionism who were in bed sucking off the Nazis in the 1930’s? Remember how the blue and white flag of Zionism flew side-by-side the swastika at the various Zionist organizations headquarters with the legal permission of the Nazi government? Remember that special medallion that Dr. Joseph Goebbels struck commemorating Zionism as a worthy endeavour for Jews? Remember the Transfer or H’avaara Argeement where the Nazis shipped 40,000 plus German Jews to Palestine minus an exit tax on their assets? Remember how the Stern gang offered to align a newly created Zionist state with the Third Reich when Erwin Rommel and the Germans looked like winners?
Gee Ronnie, Haj Amin al-Husseini would blush with shame. His collaboration with the Nazis was so much less ambitious. And let us not forget, Ronnie, how Jacob Katz, that famous Zionist author the Nazis were so fond of quoting, once said that “Instead of opposing anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism should be supported”. After all, Jews were an alien force in the life of the gentiles - and should segregate themselves in Palestine to eliminate the friction their presence caused. Isn’t it nice to know that Nazis and Zionists can actually agree on something?
Fuck you Ronnie - and Heil my “historical ignorance”.
John,
Admit it you don’t read books. You’re so ignorant on all things political, scientific, business, historical etc because you link to things like rense.com. That’s where you copy your information from, and its why you sound so uneducated.
Figures a Hitler admirer like you would link to that post from rense.com
“He raised a robbed, starving, broken, and defeated people into a well fed, motivated, happy, prosperous, industriously advanced and highly successful nation.”
[Hitler created a murderous police state and military oriented economy that was teetering on collapse before embarking on European invasion]
“a million foreigners joined the German Armed Forces (Waffen SS)”
[Does this guy know the difference between the Wehrmacht and the SS? We report you decide!]
“today Hollywood film studios have made billions of dollars since the end of World War 11”
[world war 11? Hey, he sounds just as dumb as you john]
“Governments (especially in ” Democratic Germany”) are terrified of any movement that has similarities to the style or ideas of the German Führer”
[All free, democratic governments are. Totalitarian murderous dictatorships aren’t so terrified of the ideas of the German Fuhrer]
“The Holocaust is the most discussed subject now in the world of politics.”
[Is this like your made up fact of “Pearl Harbor has received but a fraction of the attention that the JFK assassination has received.”]
“Israel … from where the Jewish people can freely operate their world wide businesses empires, free from non-Jewish interference and restrictions.”
[uhm, how can you can do world-wide business free from non-Jewish interference and restrictions? Don’t world-wide businesses have to comply with local interference and restrictions? John, you displaying your business knowledge again]
Now stay away from playgrounds you sicko
http://www.vdare.com/
Read this one, boys.
john aka Mr. Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea:
“Zionist assholes like you are always claiming that anti-Zionists are ignorant fools who do not know the facts”
No I don’t.
I’m always claiming you and hanover are ignorant fools who don’t know the facts, make up facts, misquote and misconstrue legitimate sources, and rely on disreputable sources!
See the difference? See, see?
You get dumber all the time Ronnie. Where is the rebuttal to the documented facts on Nazi-Zionist collaboration? Get Fang to help you.
“Only you and hanover beleive al Qaeda is mythical.”
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006DFED.htm - I think these folks my have a bone to pick with you dullards.
Israel looks to be heading to the dustbin of history. Suck on that, land-thieves.
Hanover,
You might want to click the refresh button on your browser.
The author of the article you linked to posted a better article on al-Qaeda, and can be found on *drum roll* the same website where your outdated material is from:
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA5E4.htm
“Suck on that, land-thieves”
Explain that to the Indians Mr. hANOVER “I got a 91 on a test once” fIST.
You are so deafeningly silent on the facts Ronnie.
Would a camel enema up your ass loosen the shit, Ronnie boy?
“Where is the rebuttal to the documented facts on Nazi-Zionist collaboration?”
What documented facts of collaboration are you referring to?
Oh I know, one of those “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” type facts. Like Larry Silverstein “owned” the WTC. Wait, wait: Herzl wrote the “Jewish Problem”
John,
“Remember how the blue and white flag of Zionism flew side-by-side the swastika at the various Zionist organizations headquarters with the legal permission of the Nazi government?”
As usual you’re wrong.
In fact, German Jews were forbidden to fly the German flag or symbols of the state at all. Jews were deemed no longer Germans under Nuremberg. Hitler’s goal was to eliminate jews from Germany. Hence the encouragement of to emigrate.
. . . now stay away from playgrounds you sick, hitler admiring pedophile.
Ronnie Lie Schmuck:
You are running out of pathetic excuses - even for you.
It is a provable fact that the blue and white Zionist flag was the only legally allowable national flag in Germany beside the swastika - and arguing whether it flew side-by-side the swastika or on its own with the express permission of the Hitler government is your usual tactic of arguing a minor point to cover up the fact that you cannot argue the major point.
And one other thing, Ronnie. This entire debate is not about the location of the port of Aqaba. You keep coming back to that one because you have nothing else to argue - and anybody who reads this debate knows it.
Greetings again, Lie Schmuck:
If you want to tell us about “terrorism”, why don’t you review J. Bowyer Bell’s book, “Terror Out Of Zion” and Saul Zadka’s book, “Blood In Zion”? Then you would have to call Bell and Zadka liars, not just me.
http://www.cwporter.com/INPRAISEOFSTALIN.htm
Every journey begins with a single step. Let us begin by sending Ronnie to the Bering Strait gulag.
http://www.protection-palestine.org/spip.php?article7943
Hey Fuckfang and Roninie:
You had better kill Hanover and I as quickly as possible. We are endangering the lives of Jews by revealing God awful truths about you - and should be eliminated ASAP. Consult the guidelines - like good little kosher cocksuckers.
john,
“It is a provable fact that the blue and white Zionist flag was the only legally allowable national flag in Germany beside the swastika - and arguing whether it flew side-by-side the swastika or on its own with the express permission of the Hitler government is your usual tactic of arguing a minor point to cover up the fact that you cannot argue the major point”
First of all, it is not a tactic to point out your repeated errors, and your repeated errors are not a minor point. You come to your stupid conclusions precisely because of you lack of education and knowledge.
You said the “flag of Zionism flew side-by-side the swastika.” Your claim is demonstrably false, as German Jews were forbidden to fly the German flag.
This is alot like your claim that Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea - it did have an outlet to the sea, you’re just to uneducated and ignorant to know better.
You also said the “Zionist flag was the only legally allowable national flag in Germany beside the swastika.” That is also false, as all non-german embassies flew their national flags.
You are also missing the main point about why the nazis passed these laws.
The laws were created to make German Jews lose their citizenship, lose their jobs, make their German passports be stamped with the letter J to separate them, force Jews to emigrate, and of course forbid them from displaying flags showing German citizenship.
You state: “those kindly, helpful Nazis did indeed constantly assist those German Jews who wanted to leave Palestine and go to Palestine”
The nazis weren’t being kindly and helpful you dope, they were stripping German Jews of their citizenship and forcing them to leave.
That opportunity to leave was a small opening that saved nearly 50,000 german jews, and would close.
“First of all, it is not a tactic to point out your repeated errors…”
It’s amazing that you can type that…WHEN IT’S ALL YOU FUCKING ASSHATS DO.
91…yadda yadda yadda…you repeat it like a mendicant.
How’s this, dump-munchers…let’s see if we can go a week without typing either the number “91″ or the word “Transjordan”…hahaha….what am I thinking? There’s no bloody way you limpwrists can resist rehashing your talking points.
As far as al-Qaeda goes…who cares if some retard insists that they’re real…they’re as real as a “death gas chamber” during the Holocau$t.
You had better kill Hanover and I as quickly as possible. We are endangering the lives of Jews by revealing God awful truths about you - and should be eliminated ASAP
It’s funny when psychopaths project their own deficits on to others. The only person who has threatened to kill anyone here, John, is you. (Han did threaten to “hang [me] by [my] entrails” once but we won’t count that out of compassion for his limited mental capacity) The fact that you think that murder is the appropriate course of action to resolve the problem of your spreading of “god awful truths” is quite telling.
I prefer to spread actual truths to counter your god awful ones. That’s all that’s really necessary.
91…yadda yadda yadda…you repeat it like a mendicant.
Your slurs are so funny when you diverge from the dick and ass one liners. Those mendicants, always repeating the funny stuff that people use in defense of their own arguments. I mean, wouldn’t that be just like a mendicant to point out that you claimed a 91 on a test once? Just like one. You really nailed that one on the head, Han. I read that and I immediately got a mental image of a mendicant repeating that you once got a 91 on a test. Let me tell you, Han. It was hilarious. I just can’t stop laughing here.
Just one question though. Do you know what a mendicant is?
Ronnie:
You are so dumb - and so adept at missing the point.
The German policy was indeed one of deporting the Jews and forcing them to emigrate - as you have now just conceded. Never at any point was it “gassing” them. Moreover this forced emigration was assissted at every point by the Zionist leadership who thought they could use the Nazi persecutions to reroute the German Jews to Palestine. That is the point you do not wish to address - for self-evident reasons. Why don’t you tell us all about Dr. Rudolf Kastner, the Hungarian Zionist official who delivered the bulk of Hungary’s Jews to internment in Auschwitz in order to put the “Chosen Few” on the boat to Palestine, courtesy of the Nazis? Tell us how Malchiel Grunewald published a pamphlet in Israel denouncing Dr. Kastner and got sued for libel? Tell us how the case went all the way to the Israeli Supreme Court which admitted the facts but concluded that, within the context of the times, Kastner had no choice but to do what he did? Read all about it in Lenni Brenner’s “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators” - and pay particular attention to the passages where high Israeli officials admitted that Kastner did what they all did.
Look up David Ben Gurion’s statement that if he had to choose between sacrificing the Jewish state and sacrificing half the children of Israel, he would choose the latter, because the Jewish state was more important. Read how a single cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Europe. Look up FDR’s statements that the Zionists were more interested in rerouting Jews to Palestine than in rescuing them from the Nazis. Read what Morris Ernst, FDR’s Jewish assisstant had to say along the same lines.Read of all the opposition he encountered when suggessting to Zionist Jews that “Holocaust survivors” should be alowed to come to America or other places if they chose. Read how the Zionists did not like this at all, because that would reduce immigration to the “Chosen State”. (It wasn’t just J. Breckenridge Long and the US State Department who didn’t want the Jews coming to America, Ronnie. Your fellow Zionists didn’t want them coming to America either. Once again, anti-Semitism and Zionism are natural allies.)
And, oh yes, that amusing twist think about embassies flying their own flags in their host countries land. Everybody knows that Ronnie. That hardly rebuts the point about Jewish nationalism being tolerated in the land of German nationalism. You are such a sophist, Ronnie. You cannot distinguish between a rational argument and a clever debating point.
And you, Fang The Fuck. You have demonstrated, over and over, that you are a bullshit artist just like your sidekick. I take you apart every time I post on this site. You are both adolescent dick brains - and neither of you know anything, as I have demonstrated, again and again.
“The mendicant orders are religious orders which depend directly on the charity of the people for their livelihood. In principle they do not own property, either individually or collectively, and have taken a vow of poverty, in order that all their time and energy could be expended on religious work.”
I’d say that applies to you two meat-puffers…after all, your philosophies are all based on a made-up religion.
Now…back to al-Qaeda…”Terrorism expert Marc Sageman…” - oops…is that a member of the Neanderthal tribe? Oh, he’s beyond reproach…NOT.
Let’s get some more examples…”
Go to: spiked-central spiked-politicsArticle
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Meet the al-Qaeda archetype
Educated, professional, married and sane. In fact, says terrorism expert Marc Sageman, a lot like us.
by Brendan O’Neill
‘I suppose it must be disconcerting to be told that the guys who did 9/11 were not lunatics from another planet, but were actually fairly normal.’
Terrorism expert Marc Sageman made waves at an international conference in Washington last week, when he presented his findings on 382 suspected terrorists who have direct or indirect links to Osama bin Laden’s network. Sageman found that the terrorist stereotype - of poor, young, single men from the dusty backstreets of the Muslim world brainwashed into committing fanatical acts - doesn’t stick when it comes to al-Qaeda. Rather, most of them are well-educated, well-off, cosmopolitan and professional, with good jobs, wives and no history of mental illness. ‘Some people at the conference were…a little taken aback’, Sageman says. ‘I could have been describing them rather than bin Laden’s men.’
Sageman teaches at the University of Pennsylvania; he is a counterterrorism adviser to the US government and author of Understanding Terror Networks. He spent the past two years poring over the available data on terrorists known to be associated with al-Qaeda. That includes direct members of al-Qaeda, such as bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, al-Rashidi and the rest, and members of other groups known to share al-Qaeda’s goals, including Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Jemaah Islamiyah (detonators of the Bali bomb), and the Abu Sayyaf Group in the southern Philippines. Sageman left out the Palestinians, Chechens, Kashmiri guerrillas and others involved in a ‘domestic insurgency against their own governments’, instead focusing on ‘Muslim terrorists who target foreign governments and their populations, the “far enemy”‘ (1). ‘I looked at the new terrorist’, he says. ‘The new, nihilistic, global terrorist.’
He found that ‘traditional theories of terrorism’ offer few insights into the lives and motivations of these new terrorists. Where terrorists are usually seen as being ignorant and immature, as coming from a poor background and a broken family, with no skills and no family or job responsibility, little of this is true for al-Qaeda members and supporters. According to Sageman, even traditional theories about terrorists being ‘evil’ and ‘religious fanatics’ do not work for the new lot, a majority of whom had secular upbringings and schooling and some of whom adhere to few strict religious rules. ‘I think it’s comforting to believe these guys are different from us, because what they do is so evil’, says Sageman. ‘Unfortunately, they aren’t that different.’
He drew his data from unclassified government documents, police wiretaps, news reports, academic publications and transcripts from trials in America, France, Germany, Egypt, Indonesia and Morocco, arriving at what one American journalist last week described as ‘the most thorough profile of the members of this terrorist network available outside the walls of government secrecy’ (2). His sample breaks down into four groups - Central Staff (38 leading al-Qaeda members), Maghreb Arabs (162 terrorists from the north Africa region), Core Arabs (127 terrorists from the ‘core Arab’ states Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen and Kuwait), and Southeast Asians (55 terrorists largely from Indonesia and Malaysia).
He admits that his sources are incomplete and sometimes of questionable reliability. He points out that because he largely relied on public records, his results may be skewed towards better-known, more prominent al-Qaeda associates; and where information about upbringing, profession, marital status and the rest was available for some in his sample, it wasn’t available for others. ” Too bad he didn’t check any data from Israel…he might have blown his “Jihad-O-meter”.
Don’t you asshats realize…the harder you attempt to push the idea that people who haven’t attacked anyone in over two hundred years are a bunch of evil scumbags, and the people pushing this theory HAVE ATTACKED ENDLESSLY SINCE THEIR ACCEPTANCE INTO OVER 84 NATIONS…well, I gotta tell you…your theories don’t hold water.
“That hardly rebuts the point about Jewish nationalism being tolerated in the land of German nationalism.”
Nazi policy towards Jewish nationalism had nothing to do with Jewish nationalism. The nazis were encouraging a jewish exodus from germany to fulfill the stated goals of ridding Germany of all jews.
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“The German policy was indeed one of deporting the Jews and forcing them to emigrate…Never at any point was it “gassing” them”
That is false. The nazi policy started by encouraging emigration by revoking their citizenship, rights, jobs, property etc, and as you noted, allowing zionists to come to berlin and encourage emigration.
The policy of emigration ran into problems with British immigration quotas into Palestine, and the refusal of western countries to accept more jewish imigrants.
After Germany invaded eastern europe, it gained control of more Jews, and the German goal of judenfrei became impossible through emigration.
The nazis decided on another course of action to rid europe of the jews - which after experimentation, lead to gassing.
hanover
“Don’t you asshats realize…the harder you attempt to push the idea that people who haven’t attacked anyone in over two hundred years are a bunch of evil scumbags, and the people pushing this theory HAVE ATTACKED ENDLESSLY SINCE THEIR ACCEPTANCE INTO OVER 84 NATIONS…well, I gotta tell you…your theories don’t hold water”
You’re the one who said al qaeda was “mythical” and now you point to an article that I linked to yesterday in which the author states clearly: “Central Staff (38 leading al-Qaeda members)”
Your “mythical” al qaeda is no myth, according to your own source!
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and who exactly are these “people who haven’t attacked anyone in over two hundred years” that we’re pushing hanover?
Fuck you, silly ass! I’m not quoting that idiot - I’m calling him out as a scumbag.
The Israelis in Florida “tracking” the Muslims were, in my opinion the ACTUAL HIJACKERS.
Eat that, schmendrick.
I’m not quoting that idiot
“The Israelis in Florida “tracking” the Muslims were, in my opinion the ACTUAL HIJACKERS”
Heh heh the Israelis in Florida just weren’t on the planes you claim they hijacked. They must have done it subliminally. You know, a ouija board kind of deal.
“Heh heh the Israelis in Florida just weren’t on the planes you claim they hijacked”
How do you know? Either they were rounded up in the Art School/Mall Kiosk spy ring, or they died a fiery death upon those planes.
It sure wasn’t any of the 19 people alleged to have done so, nitwit.
Sorry Ronnie:
You are still a bullshit artist. The Nazi policy merely changed from emigration to deportation to the occupied east. There were no “gas chambers”.
The Germans wanted the Jews out of Europe as a subversive force. The Zionists wanted them out of Germany and sent to Palestine. There was indeed a basis for collaboration. Ant-Semitism and Zionism have always been two sides of the same coin - a fact that you refuse to admit.
“Ant-Semitism and Zionism have always been two sides of the same coin”
Like racism and equal rights!
No wait, like slavery and abolition!
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“always been two sides of the same coin”
So like, during the Spanish Inquisition, like the zionists were behind it like? Oo those crafty, time traveling zionists!
Aint y’all gots to study fer that dang GED wilbur?
Han,
“How do you know?”
a. we have the passenger list
b. we know the names of the passengers
c. I used your Ouija board and other forms of divination which have been strictly suppressed by the jooooooooooos!
Ronnie:
Your ignorance is stupendous. Herzl himself wrote in Der Judenstaat that the Zionist movement could only succeed with the assistance of the anti-Semitic governments of Europe who would collaborate with the Zionists in moving unwanted Jews to Palestine. And it is also a known fact that Arthur James Balfour, the purported author of the famous declaration, was an anti-Semite who had once supported the Aliens Restrictions Acts of 1904 and 1905 to limit the Jewish Reds pouring into London from Russia. One of his motives was to help move unwanted socialist Jews from Britain to Palestine, although he found it more expedient to dress it up as an effort to help “poor, persecuted” Jews. It is also a fact that by the 1930’s he had come to regret his declaration - or so he told American ambassador Joseph Kennedy, Sr..
The fascist and nationalist governments of Eastern Europe all aided and assisted Zionism in their nations during the pre-war 1930’s, Ronnie. That includes Mussolini’s Italy, Dollfuse’s and Schussnig’ Austria, Pilsudski’s and Beck’s Poland (where Betar flourished) etc. Do not take itfrom me, Ronnie. Read Jewish Communist Lenni Brenner’s thoroughly documented “Zionism in the Age of the Dictators”..
Fuck you, Ronnie.
John,
“Herzl himself wrote in Der Judenstaat that the Zionist movement could only succeed with the assistance of the anti-Semitic governments of Europe”
You proving your ignorance again?
We went through this in the last thread when you incorrectly claimed that Herzl wrote about the “jewish problem” rofl
No, No, Ronnie:
You are starting to believe your own bullshit. Bad move. Herzl’s Zionism was precisely an efort to solve the “Jewish problem” - by segregating the Jews in Palestine. Since you obviously did not read my “Fraud ofZionism” essay the first time, I will repost it so your dumb shit brain can try again. (It won’t make any difference, of course.)
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/zionfrau.htm
Now Ronnie Cunt:
We all know how you love precision in language. Read carefully. I did not say that Herzl wrote “The Jewish problem”. I said he wrote of the “Jewish problem” in “The Jewish State”. Next Ronnie bimbo, note how Herzl says that the exodus of the Jews to Palestine can only be accomplished with the participation of the friendly governments collaborating in the procedure because they dervive sunstantial betterment thereby. And then, just below that, Ronnie pussy brain, read how Jacob Klatzkin, another famous Zionist, says that the Jews are an alien force among the gentile nations and how it is right that the gentiles fight against that influence, just as it is right that the Jews fight for their state.
Then tell me that I am wrong, Ronnie.
Now that I’ve castrated you with the facts, show us your new pussy, Ronnie.
Now Fang:
Shall I cut off your balls, too?
John:
I said he [Herzl] wrote of the “Jewish problem” in “The Jewish State”.”
No you didn’t. This is what you wrote:
“He [Herzl] became convinced that the separation of the Jews from the Gentiles by ingathering all Jews in a separate Jewish nation was the only solution to the age old “Jewish problem”.”
Herzl never mentioned any “age old Jewish Problem” in Judenstaat. If you read Judenstaat you wouldn’t have made such a huge, glaring mistake. Herzl wrote Judenstaat to pose and answer the “Jewish Question.”
The “Jewish Question” theme, and runs through the entire book. But, you would have to actually read Judenstaat - instead of questionable quotes found on RadioIslam.com and Stormfront - to know that.
The “Jewish Problem” you keep referring to was a remark made by Hitler in Mein Kampf you bonehead.
Now stay away from elementary schools you mindless, jew hating pervert!
john
“Now Ronnie Cunt: We all know how you love precision in language.”
No, I love how imprecise holocaust deniers are with language, how you and hanover come up with your wacked-out arguments based on badly mistaken facts which you learn from codoh and stromfront - which are notoriously imprecise with language.
In fact, so imprecise is the language of your sources that I would call them “mildly retarded.”
…and stay away from playgrounds you sicko.
I think if “moRON” and “fungbeer” gave out their real names, you’d find them on a chickenhawk list…this is the only thing that can account for the constant sniping in regards to John Thames “being a child molester”…especially when one attempts to come to this conclusion without empirical evidence.
As for the passenger lists…ASSFUCK…SHOW ME THE NAMES OF THE HIJACKERS ON THE PASSENGER LISTS. The FBI can’t find ‘em.
YOU IDIOTS CAN?
Ronnie Nitpicker:
Whether one calls it ‘The Jewish Question” or “The Jewish Problem” is of exactly no import. The issue remains precisely the same. I believe I demonstrated that anti-Semitism and Zionism are two different ways of looking at the same issue. Go back and reread Herzl and Klatzkin and then tell me that the point that you were sneering at isn’t precisely as I said it was.
And no Ronnie, I am not interested in 10 year old girls, as you allege. I prefer married ones with adult morals.
Hanover is entirely correct about the hijacked planes. Several of the Arabs who were supposedly on the plane as hijackers later turned up alive in other countries. The 09/11 Report is as about as credible as Ronnie’s arguments. While I do not go so far as to argue that al Queda is mythical, I do know that its influence is vastly overrated - and there is no way it staged 09/11. Bin Laden has been dead for years and several of the post-09/11 tapes of Bin Laden are clearly fakes.
Hanover!
I said john was “a defender of child molesters”and think he is sexually attracted to young children. My opinion is based on what he wrote (or plagiarized):
a. john defended the drugging and raping of a 13 year old
b. he said “Screwing 12-13 year olds is nature’s design and historically acceptable practice”
c. Thinks: “sex with a minor is a fascinating example of politically correct double think.”
d. Curiously knows the age of consent in Spain (he was wrong about the correct age, of course)
e. Admits to having “dissident thoughts” about sex with minors.
“It is suggestive and as good a theory as any.”
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“SHOW ME THE NAMES OF THE HIJACKERS ON THE PASSENGER LISTS. The FBI can’t find ‘em. YOU IDIOTS CAN?”
Here ya go little buddy, this is what the FBI used in the trial of Moussaoui, which convinced enough people to find him guilty:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html
Too bad you weren’t on the jury, you could’ve whipped out your Ouija Board to free an innocent man!
“Whether one calls it ‘The Jewish Question” or “The Jewish Problem” is of exactly no import. ”
Here is its importance:
1. Herzl wrote about the “Jewish Question” and Hitler wrote about the “Jewish Problem.” Confusing the two themes shows your lack of knowledge on a subject.
2. Confusing Hitler’s Mein Kampf with Herzl’s Jewish State is as huge a mistake as can possibly be made in any subject. This shows your innate stupidity.
3. Mistaking Hitler and Herzl is one in a long line of basic mistakes of fact you always make.
4. Your ridiculous opinions and theories are the result of the long line of basic mistakes of fact you always make.
I hope for your sake you wear your protective helmet and your caregiver cleans your bedpan regularly.
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“I believe I demonstrated that anti-Semitism and Zionism are two different ways of looking at the same issue”
…and also shows what a dope you are.
Your statement is no different than saying slavery and abolition “are two different ways of looking at the same issue.” Sure they’re completely different, but hey, they are two different ways of looking at an issue.
Just stick to copying other people’s posts on codoh and stormfront and you won’t sound so dumb.
“I prefer married ones with adult morals.”
Quit sleeping around with married women you immoral sinner before their husbands find out.
Ronnie:
You are pathetic.
Every time you get trapped by the facts, all you can do is confuse the issue. Everything I wrote is correct. Sex used to be legal at the ages of 10-13; Zionists and anti-Semites were of one mind on the “Jewish Question” (or whatever you want to call it). You have nothing to argue; hence the nonsense.
john
“Every time you get trapped by the facts”
Well when you throw around “facts” like: “Transjordan lacked an outlet to the sea” there aint a whole lot to argue about.
Poor, Poor Ronnie:
He thinks that because I made a small error on a small point that therefore he has won a debate. Soey, Ronnie Cunt. It takes more than that.
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/5200/index.php
Here are some “made up” facts for you Ronnie.
LYING SHMUCK
jon
“He thinks that because I made a small error on a small point that therefore he has won a debate”
Hehehe I don’t debate you. There is no debating people who say: “Should the fake extermination be replaced with a real extermination?”
I just show how your repeated errors lead to your dumb conclusions, how they show your innate stupidity, your lack of grasp on the subject matter and the poor quality of the sources you copy them from.
Ronnie Schmuck:
Saying it does not make it true. And my sources are unimpeachable.
And my sources are unimpeachable.
Is that because they’re mostly in jail already?
John, Fred Leuchter is not an unimpeachable source. In fact, his testimony was tossed out, and his “expert credentials” were shown to be a figment of his own imagination. His report was shown to be junk, and his conclusion was shown to be false. I don’t how much more impeached you could get then one Fred Leuchter. But that doesn’t stop you from citing him, does it?
Look at the Irving trial as evidence of just how impeachable your sources are.
Ronnie Schmuck:
Galileo Galillee was forced to recant by the Catholic Church but we now know that he was right. Got it, Ronnie? And the facts on Zionist-Nazi collaboration do not depend on Fred Leuchter. Just read Lennni Brenner, Edwin Black and your own Jewish authors, Ronnie Schmuck.
http://www.davidduke.com/general/new-documentary-exposes-britain%e2%80%99s-subversive-israel-lobby_13885.html#more-13885
Watch Channel Four, Ronnie Schmuck.
And the facts on Zionist-Nazi collaboration do not depend on Fred Leuchter
I didn’t say they did. You claimed that you’re sources are unimpeachable. You claimed that I never address your “facts.” This is false. Leuchter was your source and proof that gas chambers were never used to exterminate Jews. Leuchter was an impeachable source. Easily so.
But as always, when you are proven incorrect, you vacillate and shift the goal posts to some other topic.
And of course, you’ve finally admitted that all this effort is expended to establish some fantasy that the Jews have committed a capital offense by falsely claiming that the Germans had intended to exterminate them. This is the real goal of revisionism, and on this point your sources are nothing but impeachable. This is because the Germans did intend to exterminate the Jews. The final solution was the elimination of what they called vermin from not only Germany, but the face of the Earth itself.
Your apologetics do nothing to revise this well defined and proven truth.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov
I see that Fang The Fuck is trying to play historian now. Thus, he attempts tp “prove” the Holocaust by quoting a stray reference in a Himmler speech having nothing to do with Jewish policy per se. Some “proof”. I have a better question. Why are the Israelis still withholding Himmler’s wartime diaries? There must be something in there that doesn’t fit the story.
I never rested my case against the “gas chambers” solely on Fred Leuchter. I also quoted Walter Luftl, Germar Rudolf and the test findings of the Polish authorities themselves. You never did try to rebut the facts on Nazi-Zionist collaboration established by Jewish historians themselves. So don’t accuse me of evading facts, Ronnie boy. That is you.
And yes, Ronnie, when your lie of “six million” exterminated Jews is finally exposed, you will be exterminated - exactly as you deserve.
Schmuck Heil!
http://www.eutimes.net/tag/the-king%E2%80%99s-torah/
Speaking of extermination, here is a good one for you, Ronnie. Shall we apply the same logic in reverse? (”The only good Jew is a dead Jew” - Aryan Talmud, Protocol Number One.)
http://www.tamilnation.org/books/International/israel_soviet.htm
More of my “made up” facts, Ronnie Schmuck.
http://vdare.com/roberts/070910_911.htm
So only paranoid “conspiracy theorists” think 09/11 was a set up, right Ronnie?
PARTNER IN ABSENTIA
Certain patriotic groups are outraged by the proposal to erect a monument to Joseph Stalin at the national D-Day Memorial. Actually, they should be overjoyed. Such a monument would demonstrate that Joseph Stalin was the real beneficiary of the D-Day invasion. Every German soldier killed by the Normandy invaders was a gift to the Soviet Union. It is true that Stalin and the Red Army did not land at Omaha and Utah beaches. But every German soldier present at Normandy was absent from Russia – and that is what Stalin wanted. It was “Uncle Joe” who wanted the second front in France – and that is what the Normandy invasion gave him. The slow advance of the Americans and British through France – and it was very slow indeed – made the westward advance of the Red Army that much more rapid.
The D-Day invasion was a gift to Stalin – and it is time that it was so recognized. Some shall object that portraying American soldiers as servants of the Soviet Union distorts history and insults their sacrifice. In fact, it merely confirms the isolationist objections to American involvement in the war. Putting up a monument to Joseph Stalin at the D-Day Memorial no more insults the soldiers of the American Army than putting up a monument of Joseph Stalin patting Franklin Roosevelt on the head would demean the WW2 Memorial in the nations capitol. But a Joseph Stalin Memorial would not be complete without a tribute to those he served. WW2 is known these days as the “liberation” of Europe. It is therefore only fitting that the D-Day and WW2 Memorials should commemorate the identity of the liberators. Thus, there should be busts of all the chief “liberators” in East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Rumania. The names and busts of Marcus Wolf, Hilda Benjamin, Jacob Berman, Hillary Minc, Hersh Smolar, Helena Volinska, Walter Groz, Rudolf Slanski, Mattias Gottwald, Ana Pauker, Jacob Broitman, Ilke Wasserman, Matyas Rakosi, Ernest Singer, Benjamin Auschpitz, Moses Kahane and many others should loom large as exhibits.
The victory of American soldiers did not enshrine Americans as commissars over half of Europe. It made commissars of a group that had supposedly been exterminated. How appropriate then, that the leader of this elect group of “Chosen” commissars, should be glorified as a partner in absentia of the Normandy, D-Day invasion.
“So only paranoid “conspiracy theorists” think 09/11 was a set up, right Ronnie?”
Right.
ps john,
“Ant-Semitism and Zionism have always been two sides of the same coin”
and
“all those special camps the Germans set up to train the German Jews for agricultural pursuits in Palestine. (Ronnie can find that one in “Zionism in the Third Reich” by Francis Nicosia”
What exactly is the holocaust denier’s point when you say these things?
His point is that the Germans were far to compassionate to do what John would have done. The Germans never would have done something so evil and horrific. The Germans just wanted the Jews to move to Palestine and the Zionists just wanted the Jews to move to Palestine, but those sneaky Jews chose instead to hide behind the Ural mountains, claim that they were dead, and become Soviet commissars.
If they only had someone like John in charge, instead of that cream puff Himmler. Then we’d DEFINITELY have some documents that prove that Jews were gassed, shot, and crucified with balls in their mouths. After all, why would John want to hide doing something so noble and good?
You are finally learning, Fang.
Good for you.
And thus John becomes as much of a parody of himself as Han is.
The point, Ronnie, is that collaborating with Nazis is either a vice or a virtue, depending on who is doing it.
Yeah, I get that you think it’s a virtue.
That doesn’t change my opinion that it’s a vice.
Though the argument does get a bit muddy when you [John] try to claim that Zionists were guilty of vice by collaborating with a government that wasn’t trying to kill them…
Your entire brain is a mud puddle, Fang.
Again and again we hear that “failure to rescue” Jews is a great sin. But when it comes to rescuing Jews by making deals with the Germans who were supposedly “exterminating” them, that is brilliant realpolitik.
The Grand Mufti should have hired the Zionist leadership as his defense attorneys. Then they could explain it to you, Fang.
John,
“The point, Ronnie, is that collaborating with Nazis is either a vice or a virtue, depending on who is doing it”
Actually, collaborating with the nazis is a vice or a virtue depending upon why you are doing it.
The zionists went to germany to save the jews from certain annihilation, a fact Nicosia documents in his book. Hajj Amin al Husseini went to Germany precisely to support the German war and its policy of genocide - forming their own SS divisions and setting up the only Arabic Nazi radio format.
Nicosia concludes in his book relations between the Nazis and German Zionists were terrible - they despised each other - and the “duality” of the nazi approach to zionism was simply this:
The Nazis unanimously wanted Europe “judenfrei,” and encouraged Jewish emigration until the war got underway (when the Nazis ordered: “verbot der auswanderung von juden” [all Jewish emigration was forbidden]).
The Nazis also feared a Jewish state which, as Nicosia concludes: “would be a natural enemy to Germany” and a base of support for the allies (which in fact what happened).
I knew from my experience with the Rigg book that you hadn’t read the Nicosia book. You really got to stay away from legitimate sources, especially as you don’t read them.
Stick to stormfront, codoh and david duck.com, white pride worldwide!
Ronnie:
I do not need an ignorant little kike stupid shit like you to give me history lessons.
The facts are as follows. The Zionists were hardly collaborating with the Nazis to save the German Jews from a mythical extermination program which had not even started until after the invasion of Riussia was underway.Thus, your “reasoning” is fallacious.. The collaboration of the Zionists with the Nazis started as early as May 1933, long before anyone had even heard of fake “gas chambers”.
Nor is it true that the objective of Zionism was to rescue Jews. The objective of Zionism was to bring the fittest Jews to Palestine while sacrificing the elderly, the weak and the expendable. Did you forget that David Ben-Gurion quote that sacrificing half the children of Israel was preferable to sacrificing the Jewish state? Nor did you comment on the Kastner Hungarian affair of 1944 where the good doctor deliberately abandoned the majority of Hungary’s Jews to internment in Auschwitz to put the “chosen few” on the train to Palestine. Relations between the Nazis and Zionists were bad? Really, Ronnie? I will have to post all those overtures to the Nazis by leading German Zionists about how the Zionists and the Nazis were of one mind on the incompatibility of Jews and Germans. I guess you never read those statements did you, Ronnie? (We all know just how “complete” your research is, Ronnie.)
Yes, it is true that the Germans did not want a Jewish state that would be aligned against the Reich during the war. But that did not stop Hitler from exporting German Jews to Palestine knowing that such a policy could only lead, in the long run, to the Jewish state he did not want. Nor did it prevent Mr. Shamir and the Stern gang from offering to ally a newly created Jewish state with the Germans if the Germans would drive the British out of Palestine. (Did you forget that one, Ronnie? It is very well known in Israel. Strern and Shamir must have reckoned that a Zionist state was more important than wailing over “gas chambers”.) Such shocking lack of conscience, Ronnie. You should be ashamed.)
Don’t try to teach me the history of Zionism. I know it better than you ever will. I’m also wise to your twist think. Try it on somebody else, Ronnie Schmuck. It won’t work with me. And one other thing, Ronnie Cunt. Did you forget how David Ben-Gurion set off three bombs in downtown Baghdad post-1948 to terrorize Iraq’s Jews into moving to Israel? Zionists always have the best interests of their own at heart.
Fuck you, Ronnie Lie Schmuck.
The Zionists were hardly collaborating with the Nazis to save the German Jews from a mythical extermination program which had not even started until after the invasion of Riussia was underway.
Dude. There’s like 7 fallacies right in that one sentence.
I’m also wise to your twist think.
You get yourself into more pretzel logic then anyone else I have ever met. The Jews weren’t being exterminated so they deserve to be exterminated? They had to hide behind the Ural mountains from benevolent Germans that just wanted to teach them how to garden? The Jews have secret control of major world powers which they are intentionally ruining for the specific purpose of gaining control of major world powers?
Mr. Wayne’s World:
Zionist collaboration with the nazis started in May 1933 with the Transfer agreement. No one, not even dumb shits like you and Ronnie, have ever argued that the Germans had started “gassing’ Jews by that date. Get it, “dude”?
Ok Boys:
Time to take you apart one more time.
Let’s go to Jewish Communist Lenni Brenner’s book, “Zionism In The Age Of The Dictators” published by Lawrence Hill Books in 1983. This is not “Donald Duck.com” Ronnie, so your usual smears won’t work with this one. From Chapter 2 we read under the section entitled “To Be A Good Zionist One Must Be Somewhat Of An Anti-Semite”:
“The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are unhealthy and neurotic. Those profdessional Jews who, wounded to the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race, for they thereby lead them to search for false solutions, or at most palliatives.” (Ben Frommer 1935)…
In March 1942 Chaim Greenberg, then the editor of New York’s Labour Zionist organ, “Jewish Frontier”, painfully admitted that, indeed, there had been:
“a time when it used to be fashionable for Zionist speakers (including the writer) to declare from the platform that ‘To be a good Zionist one must be somewhat of an anti-Semite’…To this day Labor Zionist circles are under the influence of the idea that the Return to Zion involved a process of purification from our economic uncleanliness. Whosoever does not engage in so-called ‘productive’ manual labor is believed to be a sinner against Israel and against mankind.”
From the section entitled “Grist To The Mills Of Nazi Propaganda” we read:
“Walter Lacquer, the doyen of Zionist historians, has asked in his book, “A History of Zionism”, if Zionist insistence on the naturalness of anti-Semitism was not just ‘grist to the mill of Nazi propaganda’. It certainly was. Lacquer’s question can best be answered with another question.: is it difficult to understand the gullible reader of a Nazi newspaper, who concluded that what was said by the Nazis, and agreed to by the Zionists - the Jews - had to be right?
There would be worse: any Jewish movement that prattled on about the naturalness of anti-Semitism would, just as ‘naturally’, seek to come to terms with the Nazis when they came to power.”
(pp.23-25)
Go “quack, quack” - like Donald Duck, Ronnie.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/6140002/Mahatma-Gandhi-was-one-of-Nazis-greatest-friends-German-historian-claims.html
Ronnie Dumb Fuck:
Saint Gandhi was an opponent of the Jewish state in Palestine.
Deadly silent, eh boys? I think I know why.
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2009/volume_1/number_3/einsatzgruppen_and_the_holocaust.php
A good commonsense piece for anus brain Joseph Welch
You still here, Mr Thames? This one page on this one blog has seen repeated comments from you over just about every day during the past six months. You haters don’t really have much of a life, do you?
Mr. Welch:
Why don’t you join the Global Warming Club? You are exactly the kind of whore they are looking for. It would look good on your resume, too.
Ronnie should really enjoy the “Interview With deborah Lipstatic”:
http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/history/111931-interview-with-deborah-lipstatic-holocaust-denial-is-pervasive-growing-and-doomed
http://irmep.org/st.htm
How Israel “benefits” the US economy, Ronnie.
And now, some farewell shots. It has been fun taking you assholes apart but I tire of the fun. So here are a few more quotations to chew on - and then gobble Turkey, schmuck faces.
“our people were rather hard on him (Evans Gordon). The Aliens Bill in England, and the movement which grew up around it were natural phenomena…Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them…The fact that the actual number of Jews in England, and even their proportion to the total population, was smaller than in other countries was irrelevant; the determining factor in this matter is not the sollubility of the Jews, but the solvent power of the country…this cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary and vulgar sense of that word, it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off…
(”Trial and Error”, Chaim Weizmann, first President of the state of Israel)
“If we do not admit the rightfulness of antisemitism, we deny the rightfulness of our own nationalism. If our people is deserving and willing to live its own national life, then it is an alien body thrust into the nations among whom it lives, an alien body that insists on its own distinctive identity, reducing the domain of their life. It is right, therefore, that they should fight against us for their national integrity…”
(Jacob Klatzkin, 1925)
Hitler will be forgotten in a few years, but he will have a beautiful monument in Palestine. You know - and here the biographer-historian seemed to assume the role of a patriarchal Jew - the coming of the Nazis was rather a welcome thing. So many of our Jews were hovering between two coasts; so many of them were riding the treacherous currents netween the Scylla of assimilation and the Charybdis of a nodding acquaintance with Jewish things. Thousands who seemed to be completely lost to Judaism were brought back to the fold by Hitler, and for that I am personally very grateful.”
(Emil Ludwig, 1933)
“Hitlerism, the poet feels, has rendered at least one service in drawing no lines between the faithful Jew and the apostate Jew. Had Hitler excepted the baptized Jews, there would have developed, Bialik contended, the unedifying spectacle of thousands of Jews running to the baptismal fonts. Hitlerism has perhaps saved German Jewry, which was being assimilated into annihalation.”
“Indeed it is quite true that Judaism, by penetrating into all the nations actually did undermine the remnants of that sort of idolatry…but perhaps the strongest forces in this process were our ‘apostate’ of ‘assimilated’ Jews of all types, who entered into the very body of Christianity and stirred its very bowels, and went on slowly underminig the remnants of paganism as a result of their Jewish volition and their Jewish blood. I, too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea.
These were the men - although often the names of great non-Jews are called in their stead who smoothed the roads for all great movements of freedom all over the world. The Renaissance, Liberalism, Democracy, Socialism and Communism…Anti-Semites sometimes have clear discernment. Jewish influence has indeed been very powerful in this connection; we ought not to deny it.”
(Chaim Nachman Bialik, famous Jewish poet)
Convicted out of their own mouths and by their own words - as always.
Are you still having an argument with yourself, Mr Thames? I understand that’s just what deranged loners do.
Joseph, I was wondering what has happened to CK?
Not a peep out of the ‘team’ since september
(apart from some comments from yourself).
Steve, I have no idea. Speaking personally, I haven’t actually had time to write anything, as unlike Mr Thames I have a life and a career.
Incidentally, here’s another anomaly for the Holocaust deniers to ignore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8382457.stm
“Laugh a Lot” (LOL). Isn’t that the expression, Mr. Welch? Dennis Avery never saw any “gas chamber” in operation. He only listened to what a bunch of lying Jews told him. The “testimony” is worthless.
Since you cannot refute a single thingk I say, you instead make an issue of the fact that I have sufficient financial means to do a lot of research. (And I have done a lot more real research than an academic whore like you ever will, Mr. Welch.) You’ve lost - badly - and you know it. How it must gripe you to watch me take you apart, time and time again.
True to his revisionist form, John can’t even copy the gentleman’s name correctly.
He also said he was leaving this site as well. Perhaps his TV is bust, and he hasn’t got any other way to fill his empty void of a life.
It’s also bizarre how the denier mindset works. The documentary evidence, the testimony of the survivors, the reports of the Polish underground, the confessions of the guilty, and now an eye-witness, whose testimony is supposedly ‘worthless’ because he didn’t actually walk into a gas chamber. The sound we’re hearing is the sound of goal-posts being shifted.
The internet provides many people with virtual gratification, but in Mr Thames’ case it provides him with the illusion that he has somehow prevailed in peddling his lies about the past. The thing is, John, that ‘academic whores’ like me are the ones who actually teach people history, while you are reduced to ranting daily on a site whose content you affect to despise. It’s not a pretty picture is it?
There is hope for you, though, if you just wake up and smell the coffee. Admit that your life sucks, that you’re a failure, and you may be able to start all over, just like the guy in this ‘Economist’ report. He even managed to get $100 out of the whole deal. Think about it. John. How many bottles of Thunderbird can a ton get you?
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14972797
‘One day, an anti-racist group called the Montana Human Rights Network (MHRN) got a call from “JR”, a member of the Creativity Movement, a mob of white supremacists. JR had suddenly realised that all his friends were a “bunch of losers”. He wanted to get away from them, but he didn’t have enough money for petrol. So he offered to sell a big stash of the group’s literature to MHRN for a couple of hundred dollars. The anti-racists agreed, hoping to take the books out of circulation. But that created a problem. What to do with 4,000 copies of such titles as “The White Man’s Bible”? They didn’t feel comfortable burning books. So they offered them to some artists. The art that resulted—origami peace cranes made from torn-out pages of neo-Nazi drivel, and so forth—is touring the state until next summer.’
“He says he would ask where people he’d met previously had gone and he would be told they’d “gone up the chimney.”
What a load of bollocks.
How did anything in this article confirm the existence of death gas chambers?
Oh…I forgot…”He says he would ask where people he’d met previously had gone and he would be told they’d “gone up the chimney”.
How retarded are you?
Mr. Welch:
David Irving has an expression “real history”.That is what you should be studying, not the propaganda legends rehashed in which you dabble as the price of your credentials. If having 10 million plus is being a ‘failure in life”, I suppose I qualify. You know nothing about me Mr. Welch; you only presume that I am a failure in life because that fits your stereotype of right wing revisionists as ignorant, hillbilly hicks. How little you know - in so many senses.
“If having 10 million plus is being a ‘failure in life”, I suppose I qualify”
Hehehe we’re sure you do too!
It must be hard to post all your comments with one hand on the wheel of your Rolls Royce and the other hand fiddling with the gold rolex while you cruise to the airport to board your GV to fly to the bank to admire all your millions huh john?
Do you dream you’re alone on the plane, or are there some underage Spanish kids with you?
Ronnie:
Eating turkey while sucking your own dick as gravy doesn’t mix.
Santa says: “Merry Christmas”.
hANOVER fIST is truly ’special’. I found myself reading his comment above and wondering whether he needs to be watered on a daily basis:
‘[Avey] describes Auschwitz as “hell on earth” and says he would lie awake at night listening to the ramblings and screams of prisoners.
“It was pretty ghastly at night, you got this terrible stench,” he says.
He talked to Jewish prisoners but says they rarely spoke of their previous life. Instead they were focused on the hell they were living and the work they were forced to do in factories outside the camp.
“There were nearly three million human beings worked to death in different factories,” says Mr Avey. “They knew at that rate they’d last about five months.
“They very seldom talk about their civil life. They only talked about the situation, the punishments they were getting, the work they were made to do.”
He says he would ask where people he’d met previously had gone and he would be told they’d “gone up the chimney”.
“It was so impersonal. Auschwitz was evil, everything about it was wrong.”
He also witnessed the brutality meted out to the prisoners, saying people were shot daily. He was determined to help, especially when he met Jewish prisoner Ernst Lobethall.’
So there’s no evidence at all that it was a death camp. Just yet more testimony from a witness, that’s all.
Incidentally, I wonder what came of Mr Thames’ resolution to stay away from this site. I see now he thinks that he’s a ‘real historian’ and a ‘multi-millionaire’. In earlier comments he also implied that he was a latter-day Warren Beatty when it came to his sexual conquests. I’m sure if anyone lets him, he’ll claim to have invented the internet and found a cure for cancer as well.
The dementia of the far right knows no limits.
Joseph
“hANOVER fIST is truly ’special’. I found myself reading his comment above and wondering . . .”
heheh I could read hanover and john thames’ comments all day.
It has been very comforting to read what die-hard holocaust deniers/911 truthers/conspiracy theorists etc have to say, and how irrational, bitter, poorly educated, and dishonest they are when exposed in this forum.
This has been an invaluable learning experience for anyone who dared to jump in.
Well, this thread is about to die like the other. Shame. I know that John and Han have so much more crazy left in them.
I keep telling you asshats…YOU CAN’T DENY SOMETHING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN.
Just had a look at Mr fIST’s ‘blog’. He actually managed to get a comment on one of his posts. He must have been so chuffed:
http://911liarsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/11/from-18-pharmaceuticals-to-twowith-pot.html
Yeah, Han. You keep telling us over and over again like a person that took a vow of poverty. You can’t get a 91 on a test without knowing that it’s impossible to deny that something didn’t happen.
Take yourself as an example. You can’t deny that your mentally disabled parents dropped you on your skull repeatedly if it never happened. You can’t deny that the mind altering drugs that you never took turned what little brains you had left into soup. You can’t deny that you acted out on your fantasy to be a Trippetta to John’s Hop Frog because John knows the difference between midgets and 13 year old children and it just never happened. You can’t deny that
(Thanks Han, I knew you wouldn’t fail me)
Fung can’t deny that his mom will bite down on even a quarter-inch killer…and Fung only needs to feel his mom’s tooth graze his Vienna sausage and he’ll burst forth with half an ounce of spermless man-chowder.
Please cease your puerile attempts at adopting my phraseology - it’s like listening to a waterhead trying to read Poe out loud; the cadence is irrevocably lost amidst the butchering of words.
Do you get paid in oxycodone every time you mention Holocau$t?
Give that old nag a rest.
You cock-smokers see the counter on the page, yes? Don’t hate me because I saw ClimateGate for what it is: absolute scumbaggery. Someone should shove that piece of shit Nobel Prize up Gore’s asshole and use it as a buttplug…because that’s about all it’s worth.
Alfred Noble has forced open his own coffin and is now thrusting his dessicated skull up his pelvic cavity, seeing the accolade created in his name go to murderers like Kissinger, lying fat fucks like Albert Gore, and mulatto Dubya clones like Obama.
That speech made Bush look like a fucking Rhodes scholar. Those West Point troops must have bricked their uniforms listening to that drivel.
Just like Fung’s mom bricks in his waiting mouth.
Welchy…admit that you visit every day, and pee in your Depends any time you don’t see a new posting. I appreciate the advertisement, though…you did pick a great story.
You’re not getting anyone to believe that you know what you’re talking about simply because you pepper the scant few posts that you haven’t copied directly from someone else with words like puerile and mendicant.
Your usage of such words shows that you often don’t know what the words mean.
You said that we repeat your claim to have gotten a 91 on a test once “like mendicants.” Either you don’t know what a mendicant is, or you have no clue how to draw even a loosely contextual analogy, let alone one that is funny or mocking. Mendicants are people who take a vow of poverty in search of spiritual enlightenment. They are monks, not morons. They are not stereotypically prone to manipulation, or a lack of intelligence.
You described a quote about intelligence sharing between Israel and America as “Obvious…sequestration.” The only thing obvious in that post was your lack of understanding of the word. What does sharing intelligence have to do with sequestration? Nothing.
You keep trying to define us as puerile in posts that contain various yo mama shots, genital humor, and feces smears . Clearly you do not see the irony, even though it’s been pointed out many times. Your posts are the definition of puerile. They illustrate the cognitive ability of a 7 year old and your school yard insults simply underscore that assessment.
I say this because the things you post don’t form any sort of lucid argument to support your conclusions. They are not logical, or ordered in any way. Your posts are shotgun blasts of random points you’ve collected from various locations around the internet. Often your statements aren’t even remotely tangent to the discussion. Most of the time it’s evident that you haven’t even read or understood the entire point you’ve posted here.
For example, who said anything about global warming? Why did you insist we stop hating you for your views on climate gate? What in the holy hell was that post about Odin and the true gods about? Why did you bring up Bernard B. Kerik in an obtuse argument about whether Ron claimed to be Jewish or not?
I guess it’s gotta be hard to stay focused when you’ve got the I.Q. of a cup of used chewing tobacco, but if you’re going to argue that the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that the U.S. government killed more than 3000 of its own civilians so that it could invade Afghanistan, you’re going to have to put together a more logical argument than:
Those West Point troops must have bricked their uniforms listening to that drivel
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You are a parody of yourself. You are a caricature of every stereotype one would expect in someone like you. You are ignorant, and you flaunt your ignorance like a badge of honor. You are base, and you relish the opportunity to plunge to new depths. You are driven by your fury which has every focus but it’s true source; your own inadequacy.
It’s must be quite tormenting to be you, Han.
I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
I hope that as you type this drivel, that you’re staring in a mirror, douchebag.
That hour-long session of Psychology 101 did not serve you well, stupid-ass. Like John Thames has repeatedly requested…save your amateur-hour psych assessments for one of your fellow land thieves.
Speaking of the ” vocally erudite but term-challenged” character played by Damon Wayans that you and your fellow meat-blowers offered up here as a possible, but completely inappropriate caricature of my personage…what was this all about:
“It’s must be quite tormenting to be you, Han.”
What happened, Einstein? Did the chicken grease fuck up your brain? Didn’t you get the warning about eating that nigger food and watching old BET rehashes?
Apparently, you don’t even have the tiniest notion of what sequestration could possibly relate to in terms of espionage and “sharing” information. When you do come back with some sort of definition, don’t lose too many brain cells trying to unrelate the two. I understand that you may be embarrassed…that’s just what happens when one writes a check they can’t cash.
You accuse me of incoherence in my postings, yet you are able to address EVERY POINT MADE. Once again…transference, ass-barnacle.
I remember one of you idiots…moRON, I believe, referring to me as a “crystaliner” - when I tasked them to tell me just what the bloody hell that was all about, I got the runaround for a week, only to see a tepid retraction of that stupid term offered.
Monks=moron - actually, the Talmud probably makes this correlation, so why not be honest?
You believe Bernie Kerik is a fine, upstanding citizen? That fucker should be sucking cock in the ghetto and getting reamed by rabid dogs.
ClimateGate? Threw that in just to cheese you off even more. Did you really think that the world would fall for such obvious asshattery? If the Global Warmists really gave two shits about our environment, we’d all have laptops that would fully charge on two hours of indirect sunlight; instead, they’re trying to get carbon dioxide BANNED?
I’m so glad that someone pulled the rug out on these scumbags, and now they’re eating each other in a vain attempt to shift the blame for lying about warming trends elsewhere but where it belongs - from their own, lying data.
Six million minus two-point-five million is STILL SIX MILLION? Are you people part-hydra? How was it that the census for the “chosen” increased during WWII?
Then you offer up stories of delusional maniacs who pass on self-serving stories from people who supposedly went to their deaths like lemmings?
I wouldn’t want to wish what goes through your heads on anyone.
You accuse me of incoherence in my postings, yet you are able to address EVERY POINT MADE. Once again…transference, ass-barnacle.
That’s weird. I could have sworn that you and John both claim I fail to address every point you make. You did point out that typo in my post though, so I’m sure you checked this statement for accuracy. Did you do a 180, Han?
By the way, transference is not the same as projection. Transference is when you associate past feelings with current situations. It’s kinda like when you direct your anger about your shitty life against me. Think of how John feels about women. Transference would be if he was treated poorly by a woman in the past, he might think that a different woman is going to do the same thing again in the future.
You’ve misused the term here because I have to assume that trying to accuse me of being incoherent. Projection is when you attribute your own thoughts to those of others. Projection is like when John said that we were going to have to kill him and you because of the stupid things you say. If you had use the word projection, your statement would mean I’ve accused you of incoherence because I am incoherent.
Of course, you didn’t do that so your post means that your post is incoherent because you’ve been incoherent in the past. Good work. I actually agree with you.
You believe Bernie Kerik is a fine, upstanding citizen?
This would be an example of your flawed conceptual reasoning. I said nothing about Bernie Kerik being a fine upstanding citizen. I did not offer opinion about him at all. I asked why you chose to include him in an illogical rant regarding Ron’s choice of religion. How did you draw the conclusion that I thought anything about him?
Did you really think that the world would fall for such obvious asshattery?
This is another non sequitur. Which one of us tried to change your views on climate science? Are you trying to tell me what I think about climate science? I’m quite sure I haven’t offered any opinion of that here.
Hahahahaha…”Which one of us tried to change your views on climate science? Are you trying to tell me what I think about climate science? I’m quite sure I haven’t offered any opinion of that here.”
Guess what…either you don’t have one, because you’re just too stupid, or you do have one…and you know it’s in the WRONG.
The only “non-sequitur” here is YOU.
Guess what…either you don’t have one, because you’re just too stupid, or you do have one…and you know it’s in the WRONG.
This coming from a guy who thinks that thermite was used to demolish the WTC because a spectograph shows the presence of iron, oxygen, and aluminum. In fact, the last person I would expect to be complaining about specious science around here is you, Han. It would draw too much attention to the fact that all of your scientific offerings in support of your conclusions have been rebutted as such.
For me, the state of hANOVER fIST’s mind was never in doubt after he responded to ‘Lee’ with anti-Asian racial slurs (apparently on the belief that anyone with that name had to be either Chinese or Korean).
If being a moron was an Olympic sport, I’d be seeing hANOVER win a gold in 2012.
“he responded to ‘Lee’ with anti-Asian racial slurs”
Yes Hungover Arsehole is a moron. Lee is my first name. My last name is anglo- saxon, as is my mothers maiden name. I even have blond hair and blue eyes. I can confirm that I am a member of the master race, and I can also confirm that Hungover has the mind of a child………………. Which is probably why Grandpa Thames likes him.
Look…the daisy chain’s back in action!
Lee…got your lips separated from Fung’s anus long enough to belch out some choda and a weak insult?
You’re no member of the master race; you’re a sayanim for these douchebags, so get back on your knees and continue sucking.
Welchy…don’t you have some students to mold with your inane bullshite? If Lee wanted to take my comments out of context to try and mold them in some sort of anti-Asian slur, he’s free to do so…even though that wasn’t the intention…and I explained so at the time.
I may win the gold medal, Welchy, but you’ll steal it. You lie worse than you insult.
As a general rule, anyone who uses the phrase ‘master race’ and takes it seriously tends to be completely brain-dead. See hANOVER fIST’s post for confirmation.
Trippetta, what are you still doing here? Hop Frog’s already finished trying to flame the thread and he’s run off. You had better chase after him before he replaces you with a 13 year old Spanish kid.
“As a general rule, anyone who uses the phrase ‘master race’ and takes it seriously tends to be completely brain-dead.”
Yep…whenever you read any tripe like this, it’s straight from the H0l0cau$t Handbook.
Nazi
Nazi
Nazi
Just like Betelgeuse…say it enough times, and watch the tears begin.
Welchy…it’s over, loser. Take your shekels and be silent as your ass is sent packing to Antarctica.
Have you heard of Solar Zionism?
What handbook does the “spell words with characters that aren’t even letters” tripe come from? Is it the same handbook that teaches you how to use your Ouija board to communicated with your true gods?
What
Fucking
Handbook?
Obviously, your handbook is written by morons…”Is it the same handbook that teaches you how to use your Ouija board to communicated with your true gods?”
Haven’t you pulled Welchy’s half-inch killer from between your lips yet?
Oh, I forgot - you quick wits are planning Cast Lead 2 - too bad Iran’s gonna kick you fuckers so hard, your yarmulkes will get bruised.
What
Fucking
Handbook?
Han, you have the attention span of a goldfish. You wrote:
Yep…whenever you read any tripe like this, it’s straight from the H0l0cau$t Handbook.
You tell me what handbook. You’re the one that brought it up after all. Do you have a copy of the Holocaust handbook? If you do, does the word Holocaust have numbers and dollar signs in it? That might be a clue that it was written by a mentally impaired bigot such as yourself. Much like the protocols were written by a antisemite trying to provide evidence to support a lie.
too bad Iran’s gonna kick you fuckers so hard, your yarmulkes will get bruised.
You know, you should go to Iran. I hear they don’t treat people who have an extra chromosome all that nicely. They’re not all that keen about guys who constantly express their homosexual fantasies either. You’d better tone that back a bit. You should probably also keep quiet about your “Don’t hate anyone for being anything” personal policy. That’ll fly like a Taliban kite over there.
The “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, you mean?
The mantra you idiots live by?
Why don’t you own up to your scumbaggery?
You sound just like one of those idiots who call David Rothenberg’s show on Saturday morning on WBAI…”why don’t you go to Cuba, ya damn commie?!?”
The H0l0cau$t is one big fat lie after another, and you should know better than to trot out that old nag in front of me. Like I said before: go claim the reward at nafcash.com - but you CAN’T.
Schmuck.
but you CAN’T.
Of course you can’t. You can’t claim money that doesn’t exist with an hypothesis that is unfalsifiable.
Prove the money exists, and that the challenge is sincere. Have Gerdes explain how his conditions are falsifiable. Otherwise, why would I bother to contact Gerdes at all?
THE MILITARY CONFIRMED
Was there ever a “Jewish Threat” to the United States? If one consults Joseph Bendersky’s immensely informative but almost totally ignored book “The Jewish Threat: Anti-Semitic Politics of the U.S. Army” the answer is yes. Bendersky paints a picture of a world view that no longer exists in America. It was a world view of Nordic supremacy which viewed Eastern European Jewry as the source of all communist and racial subversion. Professor Bendersky is properly shocked by the world view he describes. The reader suspects that his indignation is de rigueur, the price of membership in good standing of the modern intellectual community. Nevertheless, it was not always so. Bendersky paints a picture of a world of Social Darwinism, in which there was a natural order of superior and inferior races. Throughout the pages of his deeply researched volume, Joseph Bendersky shows just how entrenched was the view that Jews were a distinct threat to American life. This view did not begin with the First World War and the aftermath of Communist revolution, as the reader might suppose. Although Bendersky does not go into it, anti-Jewish sentiment in the U.S. began almost at the same time that mass Jewish immigration began in the 1880’s. Jews were viewed even at that early date as the brewers of revolutionary socialism from the ghettos of Czarist Russia. The perception was greatly magnified by the eruption of Communism throughout Russia, Poland, Germany and Hungary.
Joseph Bendersky goes into elaborate detail about the innumerable eugenicists and Nordic supremacists who lectured at the Army War College in the 1920’s. One such was Charles Davenport, a leading eugenicist from Harvard and the University of Chicago. But there were many others. Two of the more important were Clark Wissler, an anthropology professor at Columbia University and especially William McDougall of Harvard University, a fervent advocate of a national eugenics program, as he made clear in his 1921 volume “Is America Safe For Democracy?” These frequent lecturers were joined by Henry Osborne, president of the Museum of Natural History and Professor Henry Platt Fairchild of New York University, author of “The Melting Pot Mistake”. That these views were not just the views of visiting professors is shown by similar ideas presented by Army and State Department personnel lecturing at the War College. The names of such lecturers are legion. Robert Kelley of the State Department argued that Communism in Russia could not succeed without taking into account the slovenly nature of the Russian people. General “Bull Durham” Connor preached pure “survival of the fittest”. Colonel Preston Brown, Major William Hicks and Colonel Walter Sweeney delivered one lecture after another on the folly of eternal peace. Hicks, in particular, identified Jews as the brains behind Communism. The works of Madison Grant, Lothrop Stodddard and the Frenchman, Gustave Le Bon, were used as virtual bibles of racial purity.
The army’s view of Jews as dangerous racial aliens was also widespread. Eastern Jews were regarded as Mongoloid descendants of the Khazars, the Turkic tribe which converted to Judaism in the Dark Ages. Although some officers distinguished between civilized western Jews and the more barbaric eastern Jews, the general attitude toward Jews was negative. The intelligence agencies overflowed with reports on the Jewish nature of Communism. Moreover, the information coming from all countries was consistent. British, American and Dutch diplomatic, military and consular officials all told the same story. The Dutch minister in Saint Petersburg, Oudendyke, sent a telegram forwarded to the British that “Bolshevism was a movement organized by atheistical Jews for ends of their own which would engulf the entire world if it were not nipped in the bud”. Robert Wilton, the correspondent of the “London Times” in Russia, published a list of Bolshevik commissars purporting to show that 450 out of 550 were Jewish, giving real names and Russian pseudonyms. Paul Dukes, a British intelligence agent, wrote a book, “Red Dusk and the Morrow”, testifying to Jewish influence in Bolshevism. General Ironsides and Winston Churchill wrote tirades against Jews and Communism. The latter’s infamous newspaper article in the ”Illustrated Sunday Herald” of February 8, 1920 is almost too well known to mention. Churchill continued his tirades against the international menace behind Communism in the final volume of his history of the First World War, entitled “The Aftermath”. General Marlborough Churchill, the namesake of his British counterpart and the head of the MID, the Military Intelligence Department in the United States, presided over the interpretation of innumerable intelligence reports saying the same things.
Joseph Bendersky would have the reader believe that all these accounts from different sources saying the same things were delusional in nature and not to be believed. That conclusion, as Professor Kevin MacDonald indicates in his review of Bendersky’s book, hardly stands the test of the evidence. Today, the “Jewish Threat”, if there is one, consists not in discredited Communism but in the Zionist manipulation of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Joseph McCarthy worried mainly about Jewish Communists in the State and Treasury Departments; today overt agents of Zionism fill these departments and many others, such as the Department of Homeland Security and the National Security Administration. In 1919, as Professor Bendersky documents in his study, the State Department issued a remarkable document, “The Power and Aims of International Jewry”. Today, with the American government gearing up for war against the Holocaust Denier in Tehran, the document might have to be retitled “The Power and Aims of International Zionism”. Jewish power remains a taboo subject precisely because it is so omnipotent. It was possible, in 1920’s America, to speak of Jewish power behind the scenes in U.S. government circles. Today, such candid discussion would constitute political suicide.
Instead of writing, like Joseph Bendersky, of a Jewish “threat” to America, it might be more appropriate to write of a Jewish take over of America. All the fears of the military for what a Jewish takeover portended for America, save the anticipated Bolshevik blood bath, have been largely realized. There has been a genetic downgrading of the population, the borders of the country have been opened to a racial invasion and all the social disharmony and chaos which must inevitably accompany such a process have already taken place. Joseph Bendersky could have titled his book, “The Military Confirmed” but that would have prevented its publication. The reader may judge for himself the validity of Professor Bendersky’s interpretations. The documentation contained within the covers of “The Jewish Threat: Anti-Semitic Politics of the U.S. Army”, however, contains irrefutable primary evidence for the researcher. It also confirms one of history’s most hotly disputed charges – Jewish responsibility for history’s greatest crime – the unleashing of Communism upon the world.
The ever so erudite Joseph Welch should have no problem dismissing the previous post. The only thing he cannot understand is the facts.
THE VALUE OF INDUCTIVE REASONING
Inductive reasoning is the art of reasoning from the particular to the general. Inductive reasoning is very valuable because it cuts through the failing of not being able to see the forest because of wandering about the trees. Far too many people get overly focused on details without grasping the larger question of what the details really mean. There are many examples of this. The 09/11 incident is a good one. The complete story is immensely complicated. However, certain key points stand out. The buildings came down in what appear to be a controlled demolition. Such a demolition would require planting explosive charges within the buildings at the stress points of the support beams. Innumerable witnesses heard explosions going off within the building. Normally buildings do not collapse when planes crash into them. This time they did. Thus, inductive reasoning leads to the conclusion that the buildings were indeed blown up from within. Now we come to the question of who did it. 09/11 conspiracy theorists love to argue over passenger lists, who was really on the planes, what the Arab hijackers really could have learned down at Florida pilot school, etc. All good questions of themselves but completely irrelevant to the real issues. Two major commercial buildings in the heart of New York City, a heavily Jewish city, were blown up from within. How could this have happened, without the knowledge and consent of the Jews? Someone shut down all of the security agencies and air force defense systems. Whoever did that had to have a pervasive, controlling influence within all departments of the U.S. government. Someone had to be able to write a whitewash report afterwards so that all the real questions could be evaded. Who, and who alone, had the power to do all these things? Someone had to benefit from the attacks. The Arabs, who supposedly launched the attacks, in no way benefited from them. Quite the contrary, it was the 09/11 attacks which motivated the U.S. to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Who benefited from that? Why, the Zionists, of course. All these inductive considerations lead to the inevitable conclusion that the Zionist Jews perpetrated 09/11.
Let’s take a second example – Pearl Harbor. The ten or more Pearl Harbor investigations arguably generated more tons of paper than the 09/11 investigation. The attack continues to be a political hot potato to this day. Dozens of academics continue to argue that there is no “smoking gun” to implicate Franklin Roosevelt. These apologists ignore the circumstantial evidence against Roosevelt – and the inductive reasoning that flows from it. Roosevelt pursued precisely the policies leading to Pearl Harbor which one would expect from a man planning a set up. He had failed to provoke Hitler into war in the North Atlantic. His “back door” to war was to provoke Japan in the Pacific. To do this he rejected all Japanese peace offers, insisted that Japan clear out of China and cut off all Japanese access to oil and iron ore, thereby condemning Japan to economic strangulation. Roosevelt then transferred the Pacific fleet from a relatively safe base at San Diego to a more vulnerable position at Pearl Harbor. Next, Roosevelt kept the Pearl Harbor commanders in the dark about the increasing war tensions. He did not send the base translations of intercepted Japanese diplomatic communiqués. Over and over again, he denied the base necessary reconnaissance planes and repair parts. Roosevelt, two weeks before the attack, removed the absolutely essential aircraft carriers from the base while leaving the obsolete and expendable battleships. Then, when, the attack occurred, he pretended to be “surprised”. He waxed eloquent about “a day which will live in infamy”. Anyone employing even the most elementary principles of inductive reasoning can see what happened.
Let us take a third example: The Holocaust Hoax. Superficially, the evidence for the claim of six million Jews killed in “gas chambers” is overwhelming. There is the Nuremberg Trial which accepted the claim as a proven fact; there are thousands of testimonies by survivors; there are the films documenting terrible conditions in the camps at wars end; there are the Germans who testified at Nuremberg as to the reality of the extermination; there are the photographs of crematory ovens and the cans of Zyklon B, etc. How can it not be true? But inductive reasoning and very simple considerations raise grave doubts. All around the globe the Jews have passed laws making Holocaust Denial a crime. Why? Common sense would suggest that only people who know they are lying pass such laws. Another obvious problem is: too many survivors. A real extermination produces few survivors. Yet so many Jews miraculously survived the Nazis that one may legitimately ask: How? The Germans were fighting a war on several fronts simultaneously during World War Two. Their forces were stretched to the limit. Where did they get the men and resources to simultaneously murder six million Jews? Finally, the countless billions in reparations the Jews have milked from the story plus the moral cloak it has provided them give them an enormous incentive to exaggerate their losses. Thus, inductive reasoning tells us that the story must be a whopper, without even delving into the technical impossibilities of the “gas chambers”, the inconsistencies of the witness accounts, the kangaroo nature of the Nuremberg court or the body disposal capacity of the crematory ovens.
Inductive reasoning does not mean that research is unnecessary. It is always useful to learn more. But piling fact upon fact is useless unless facts are analyzed to common sense conclusions. Thousands of pages of documentation are only useful if they support “two plus two equals four” bottom lines.
THE POWER BEHIND THE SCENES
The aftermath of the Second World War is just as convincing of the power of Jewry as the aftermath of the First World War. In the aftermath of the first conflict the Jewish delegations at Paris achieved some amazing things. These included the mandate over Palestine, the incorporation of the language of the Balfour Declaration in the text of the mandate, the minorities treaties in Central Europe and the Covenant of the League of Nations. But in the aftermath of World war Two, the Jewish achievement in power politics was even more amazing. First came the great Nuremberg Trial where the German defendants were hung during the Jewish high holidays of October 1946. But even more impressive was the immense army of “carpetbaggers” who followed the American and British armies into Germany. They were joined by a similar army of occupiers from the Soviet east. These occupiers wore British, American and Soviet uniforms but all displayed the same ethnicity. The Hungarian author, Louis Marschalko, describes the process in his extremely rare book, “The World Conquerors”, published in English translation in 1958.
In Chapter Nine, “Revenge Is Ours”, Marschalko writes:
“On May 9th, 1945, the revenge of Jehovah was turned loose over Europe. The planes of the British and American forces were still called ‘liberators’ but Eisenhower announced:
“We are not coming as liberators but as conquerors!’
But were the Americans, in fact, the real victors? In the wake of the advancing American forces a sinister fifth column followed, the members of which in ninety-nine per cent of the cases were not Americans. This revengeful army was made up of emigrants from Eastern European countries, of black market operators from Brooklyn ghettos, of Czech, Polish and Hungarian Jews who took refuge in London and of criminal inmates from the liberated concentration camps. They filled all major and minor posts in the C.I.C., organised according to the Morgenthau Plan, they swarmed in the O.S.S., in the various commissions searching for war criminals, as well as in the American security organizations. They became mayors of German towns and commandants of P.O.W. camps. They administered LaGuardia’s U.N.N.R.A. They occupied key positions in the American forces and thus exercised control over them.
There were only 2,524 German war criminals on the original list of the U.N., but soon the C.I.C. and the American conquerors were conducting a search for one million German ‘war criminals’. At first the Soviets wanted to shoot 50,000 Germans summarily, then they proposed to bring 200,000 ‘war criminals’ to trial at Nuremberg.
Simultaneously, the conquering flood began to move eastwards. A mass of several hundred thousand released from the concentration camps surged toward Poland, Hungary, Roumania and Yugoslavia, to become officers in the Communist police forces and other terror organizations and to assume judicial powers in the people’s tribunals and so be able to pass sentence upon innocent people in an orgy of revenge. They were welcomed with open arms by the Soviet MVD who were in control of the Eastern European countries. The pattern was everywhere the same. In the forefront there was either an American, a Soviet or a French general but in each case a Jewish deputy dogged his heels.
Actually, Europe did not fall under the Russians, British or Americans, but under Jewish occupation. Everything that had rightly or wrongly belonged to Europe for 2000 years now disintegrated. The avengers continued doing (but more cruelly) the very things they had set down as crimes against Hitler. This was no occupation by the forces of American democracy or Bolshevism but by those of a victorious Jewish nationalism glowing with hatred. Ensconced in key positions among the occupying powers, they were able to punish everyone, whether innocent or guilty. In their eyes there was but one crime – to have opposed, or to be in a position to oppose, Jewish nationalism…
The Western and the Eastern Jew set out hand-in-hand to liquidate the Christian upper classes who had succeeded in escaping from Bolshevism. These were considered unreliable people. Vlassow’s Cossacks, for instance, wanted to fight against Bolshevism. But whoever resists Bolshevism is actually fighting one section of the Jewish world-kingdom. These Cossacks knew very well who were the commissars of the collective farms (kolkhoz) before whom the Russian peasant had to go down on his knees. In 1940 they had seen the “Russian” MVD entering Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and thus knew the Jews almost exclusively organized the deportation of tens of thousands of unfortunate people from these small Baltic states. These people were dangerous because they had witnessed certain things. These witnesses must be slain!
How can one account for the fate of Vlassov’s Cossacks otherwise than by Jewish nationalism operating behind the visible power. How else could such inhumanity be accounted for when British democracy allowed armed military police to deploy against thousands of unarmed Cossacks.”
Louis Marschalko here touches upon one of the great hidden secrets of the Second World War – the true identity of the conquerors. The British, Americans and Soviet Russians were merely the front men for the real power. Very little academic research has been done on the facts he recounts. It is one of those subjects that “respectable intellectuals” just do not delve into. Nevertheless, the facts are precisely as Marschalko recounts them. A Jewish terror did descend upon Europe after World War Two. This terror was as omnipresent as it has been little mentioned since. Whether it was Herbert Lehman or Fiorello LaGuardia running the UNNRA or Ana Pauker terrorizing Romania, it was, as Marschalko says, the terror of the Jew. Jews everywhere seized the finest properties in Europe. They lived it up at the expense of the defeated while portraying themselves as the greatest of martyrs. None of this fits the story in the history books – which is why it is deleted. A few individuals, such as British general Sir Frederick Morgan and American general George Patton, tried to blow the whistle on what was going on but were quickly silenced. Morgan spoke of a huge flood of Jews pouring down the Balkans out of the Iron Curtain countries toward Palestine. At first the charge was denied but then admitted. Morgan was quickly removed and replaced for daring to tell the truth. General Patton wrote scathingly on how displaced person, meaning Jews, were living it up as virtual privileged saints in Germany after the war. What happened to Patton, and the reasons for it, is only too well known. Post World War Two Europe was a Jews harvest. “Survivors” proliferated in American and British uniforms; Jewish commissars dominated in Stalinist governments; refugees swarmed to the best hotels and UNRRA supply depots on their way to the Holy Land. To investigate any of this in detail is to raise immediate questions about the Jewish extermination story. Thus, the rich and fallow territory of the Jewish conquest of post-World War Two Europe lies largely unexplored. In all probability that shall continue. The subject is loaded with historical dynamite.
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