If your loan is in a Residential Mortgage Backed Security (RMBS), nobody owns your loan. Further, nobody can own your loan until the term of the security expires.
I know this is hard to wrap you head around, but what I am about to tell you will likely make your head explode, so read on at your own peril.
When the RMBS is created, all of the mortgages are put into a single pool together. This pool creates a revenue stream. The promissory note (if it was ever properly conveyed, which I will discuss this in my next post) is held by the “trustee” for the pool and is serviced by the “servicer." The “investor” didn’t buy your mortgage when it bought the RMBS, what the investor in a particular tranche bought was the right to receive a revenue stream paid out of this communal pot, subject to superior claims upon the revenue stream by the investors in tranches above it. . . .
The servicer collects all the payments from all the homeowners for this month and puts that money in a big pot. From that pot, after the servicer takes its own fees, the highest tranche is paid first, then the second tranche, and so on until you get to the bottom tranche. If the pot runs out of money before all the tranches have been paid in full, that means the bottom tranche take the hit.
If collections are better next month, there might be a little more money in the pot and maybe the bottom most tranche might see a sheckle or two. If collections are worse, perhaps a higher tranche will get less or even nothing.
This is important: no individual mortgage is actually in any tranche. If different tranches were sold to different investors, no one investor actually owns any mortgage. The only way that the investor could own the mortgage is if a single investor bought every single tranche of that particular RMBS. Since RMBSs were usually billion dollar deals, what is the likelihood that any single investor bought the whole position?
The trustee doesn’t own the mortgages in the sense of having paid to purchase them, the trustee merely holds the mortgage as a bailee for the benefit of the investors.
The servicer doesn’t own them, the servicer is merely a collection agent for the owner.
It is not until the expiration date of the security that it would be possible to assign a particular mortgage to a particular tranche, with the worst performing mortgages assigned to the lowest tranche and the best performing mortgages assigned to the highest tranche. That means, for a 30-year mortgage taken out in 2006, you have 24 more years to wait to find out who is going to own your mortgage.
Right now, nobody does.





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If nobody owns the mortgage, then nobody can foreclose, right?
There is a God.
what makes one tranche “higher” than another?
How can it be that one can’t know until the mortgage is paid off completely?
How is it known then, if it can’t be known now?
Risk determines if a tranche is higher or lower. The higher a tranche is the less risky it is and the percentage of return on your investment is lower. The lower a tranche is, the riskier it is and the higher the return on your investment.
I thought that the bigger problem with the MBS is that none of the mortgages were ever properly conveyed into them via the A->B->C->D process as asserted repeatedly by Karl Denninger? Max Gardner explained how it works: The Alphabet Problem and the Pooling and Servicing Agreements. If the mortgages were never conveyed into the MBS, then it is my contention that the payments to the MBS shareholders are part of the coverup of the entire scheme. As long as the shareholders get their income stream they are none the wiser.
This brings us to the question of what happens to the mortgages when they are either paid off or foreclosed? How are they removed from the MBSs that they were never conveyed into in the first place? And how does this affect the income stream to the MBS shareholders?
The whole point of the grand scheme by the banks was to write balloon mortgages that would be refinanced every 2-3 years. Does this mean the original mortgage is ‘paid off’ by the subsequent refinance, which is then securitized into another MBS? The purpose here is so that the banksters get to rake off more fees every time. (And don’t forget that the banksters appraised homes for more than their real value in order to increase their fees. These high appraisals in turn often made the mortgages that much less affordable to the borrowers, thus increasing the chance of default.) And it has been asserted that these mortgages were sold for more than face when they were securitized, such that the MBS income stream would never equal what was paid.
Here’s some information about how the taxpayers are involved in helping the banks out. See 1der’s comment on David Dayen’s HAMP diary today:
I’ve also read of cases where banks are foreclosing on homes whose mortgages had already been bought by Fannie Mae. Has Fannie Mae been ordered to look the other way, and let the foreclosure mills do this? Someone needs to delve into Fannie Mae’s foreclosure actions. Why is Fannie speeding up its foreclosures? We read in Mother Jones that Fannie uses David J. Stern the foreclosure Mill being investigated by Floriga AG McCollum, and which Citi announced today they’ve stopped using for their foreclosures.
If the owner of the note can’t be identified for 24 years, can you live in your House for 24 years without making payments on your mortgage? If not, why not?
Also,if the owner of the the can’t be identified and you’re occupying the Home and file a quiet title action, won’t you just get the Home because the note holder is unknown and won’t be able to contest the issue in Court? If so, when the owner was identified 24 years later, wouldn’t it be too late for them to contest the conveyance of title to you due to Statute of Limitation laws?
As someone who has avoided mortgage debt slavery for my entire adult life I wish I could track down all of those real estate junkies who kept telling me how stupid I was not to jump on the home ownership bandwagon and ask them to tell me again why owning a home is such a great financial coup.
I do have a theoretical question though – is it possible anymore to obtain a mortgage that does not get sold into this morass of criminal fraud, i.e., that is held by some Jimmy Stewart type character running a neighborhood S&L or must every buyer deal with the modern day versions of Mr. Potter?
Update: It’s now official that many of the mortgages were not conveyed into the MBSs:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/10/josh-rosner-could-violations-of-psa’s-dwarf-lehman-weekend.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/citigroup-call-implications-foreclosure-crisis-just-tip-iceberg
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2209430
W4B;
If this is a country where the rule of law meant something, the MBS never existed because the rules were broken when the mortgages were not assigned to it. The rules require the mortgages be assigned at the time the MBS is created. This means the investors bought shares of nothing, and it’s the investors who stand to really loose big because of this scam.
From Naked Capitalism;
W4B;
One strange thing that happens is that when borrowers stop paying their mortgage, the company servicing the loan starts making payments (advances) to the REMIC that supposedly holds the mortgage, (they’re the ones who issued the MBS) this has the perverse effect of temporally bolstering the return to the lowest tranche holders (because no loss has been realized as yet) then once the servicer decides the loan is irrecoverable, they quit advancing, and they foreclose.
Anyone need a laugh?
Apparently, some Park Ave. banker was convicted yesterday for stealing 11 million from TARP.
The comments by the FBI are hysterical.
Gotta wonder if they’re able to keep a straight face with statements like, this should give the public confidence that nobody is above the law. Wonder what this Antonucci guy really did to stand out amongst men.
Heres the link from Zero Hedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/park-avenue-bank-ceo-charles-antonucci-admits-stealing-11-million-tarp-and-being-too-small-t
I was just pondering that question myself, if this wouldn’t lead to a giant resurgance of small community banking and portfolio (kept in house) loans.
I was also thinking that perhaps we would see an increase in owner financing. If the homeowner doesn’t need that money to buy something else outright, let’s say they already have the retirement home, then they might consider holding the mortgage because they would get a higher rate than anything that is currently offered out there on CDs. There are companies that will do all the note servicing, paperwork, tax statements, etc.
thank you!
They were sold at different rate of return. The higher tranches which will be the last to take a loss gave a lower rate of return than the lower, riskier tranches.
So, if I create and RMBS, I make a offering of 10 tranches with 10 differnet rates of return and 10 different levels of risk assigned to them and the investor decides which tranches to buy.
Because until the mortgage is paid off (either by paying for all 30 years, or because the house is resold or refinanced) you cannot know how that mortgage has performed.
If you look forward you are guessing, if you look backward, you have hard numbers.
I have a post in the Hopper on just that topic. It has the phrase “Ponzi Scheme” in the title.
I hope you will enjoy it
This post is based onthe assumtion that the note was properly transferred into the trust. I have a subsequent post coming up, that suggests that these transfers may not have even occured.
What I’m saying is that the banks have created a mess. I don’t think that mess can be sorted out relying on contract law. OTOH, we can’t have the housing market paralyzed for hte next 20+ years.
So, I have yet another post in the hopper, that explains why/how the solution may lie inthe law of equity, and how another country is already trying that solution out, so we can have a model to work from.
No wonder they went to Congress and screamed that the sky is falling…they had a Madoff on Steroids situation. The Banks with No Clothes had no money, and their rich investor clients of the tranches had no money, so the idiots in Congress agreed to the Tarp bailout. The title companies who usually would be responsible to insure clear title were either by-passed or in on it, and they sure as hell don’t have any money. Tarp money was used for other purposes than originally “intended” supposedly…more likely banks said to nevermind the real estate stuff wink, wink…we need money to invest in XYZ to regain the money we don’t have and can never recoup.
There is no money. They refused to estimate investors loss of value when this began to come to light (Paulson). Retirement accounts were estimated to have lost 40%….Oy vey. They continue the scam at our expense. Even the top tranches will never see money. Everyone needs to be arrested and sent to some island where it is cold. Tea anyone?
LS
PS. I’m sure I’m wrong on a lot of this, but this is my humble impression.
Actually, I suspect that you are right on a lot of this
Ok nobody owns your home if your home loan was sold. Is there any indication that the courts and banks agree with this idea?
I would think that if they did then bank stock prices would drop like a stone.
ok, let me ask you a grossly broad question
if I’m the portfolio gal for CALPERS, which tranche did I invest in ? the higher or lower risk ?
you may (gulp) enjoy reading this
link
p.s. are you LS, who used to post here as LS ?
The lower tranches get paid last but last but I believe get paid higher interest. The higher tranches get paid first but get paid less interest.
The ” math ” model the bankers used assumed that America would never go through a nation wide real estate crisis and that the number of foreclosures would never exceed a certain amount an amount I assume we passed a while ago.
Given the number of foreclosed homes the value of home loan paper is probably below what people payed for it.
I thought they broke up the home loans into hundreds of pieces and mixed them with hundreds of other loans. The plan was to spread risk if you buy home loan paper you really buy 10, 20 whatever many home loans some are top tranche loans not likely to get foreclosed on.
Some are riskier lower tranche loans the idea was to make sure the owner always gets paid. The higher tranches in the loan paper they buy do that.
The lower tranches provide profit.
Yes this is a very confusing way to make money.
Yup. It’s meeeee!
Regarding the link…if you multiply the situation of losing your retirement value to pretty much zero by the millions of people who will or have found themselves there; it will cause people to be forced into horrible poverty, and if the Repubs get their way, there will be no resources to fall back on – no social security, no welfare, no medicare, no medicaid. It will result in “bring out yer dead” Monty Python style. Absolutely criminal. It could cause a revolution of massive proportions. In my view.
LS
It is a completely typical pyramid scam only everyone ultimately loses everything once it all shakes out.
ooooh, virtual enthusiasic hug and welcome back !
Yes, it could be run through the courts, but that would necessitate voiding or reversing $Trillions in fraudulent transactions.
This reminds me a bit of the argument that those who commit terrorist acts cannot be tried as criminals because it threatens the mythology that underpins our endless wars.
If we keep following this line of BS, our DOJ will soon be good for nothing except political harrassment.
Why don’t we simply close the courts because it cost to much money to keep criminals in prison, murder is not that big a problem, and the justice system only makes lawyers richer anyway.
although I take your point on Repubs removing safety net – we still have Geitner and Bernanke in place as appointed by a Dem. A Dem btw who has convinced me he is on track to cut SS benefits – either by raising the age, or kicking down a few more sheckels to those below the poverty line, but cutting by 26% for those making $35-$ 40k a year.
and we agree on the potential for massive revolution
yet more “shrillness” :D
jesus christ – JP Morgan just broke up with MERS
link
I agree. It won’t be just Repubs.
Thanks!
So are you saying they only have the weak ownership of the right to own the payment if someone makes the payment, and the servicer has the right to demand a payment, but nobody has the right to take anything in collateral for the payment and nobody has the right to expect a payment?
In other words, the people who own securities in the tranches just have the right to the money if the money shows up, not the right to demand that it show up and ask for something else in lieu if it does not?
So it IS very much like a ponzi scheme.
True I should not have said its a complex way to make money I should have said its a complex scheme to lose money.