Ron Johnson, the Tea Party-backed Republican candidate for Senate in Wisconsin, has enjoyed the support of several outside groups during his election campaign: he benefited from $1.3 million in television advertising from various political action committees and other groups, including ads from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that attack his opponent, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), for his support of health care reform.
Such groups are not required to reveal who is funding the political attacks. As ThinkProgress detailed last week, the Chamber of Commerce may be using foreign funds to support its attack ads in the United States, which would be a violation of federal election laws. Last night during a debate in Wausau, WI, Feingold pressed Johnson to call on these groups to disclose their funding sources. Johnson agreed and called for disclosure:
JOHNSON: You want to be able to select who can have free speech and who doesn’t want to have free speech.
FEINGOLD: I want everybody to have free speech, but I want them to be able to — as you just said, they ought to disclose. You haven’t even called on these people to disclose. You just said you’re for disclosure. You won’t even call on them to disclose.
JOHNSON: I’d be happy to have them disclose.
FEINGOLD: Well then why don’t you ask them to do it?
JOHNSON: Disclose.
Watch it:
So far, the Chamber has refused to provide evidence they are not using foreign money to fund political attacks, saying “We are not obligated to discuss our internal accounting procedures.” Perhaps if more candidates like Ron Johnson that benefit from Chamber attacks call for disclosure, the Chamber will feel compelled to reveal the well-heeled special interests behind their unprecedented political ad campaign.
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Ron Johnson is providing lip service. He has no intention of following through. The Repugs are willing to accept any money. Even if it is tainted.
October 12th, 2010 at 12:55 pmFeingold now has the soundbite he needs to either show Johnson to be a liar, or a puppet to the Republican/Saudi Money Machine.
If there aren’t ads running continuously here in Wisconsin keeping Johnson’s feet to the fire, then the Democrats deserve to lose…
October 12th, 2010 at 12:56 pmgood on Feingold for forcing this guy to fess up…
they never do what’s right on their own…
October 12th, 2010 at 12:59 pm“Ron Johnson Calls On Chamber Of Commerce To Disclose Funding Of Attack Ads”
LOL just like cantor repudiating the nazi candidate.
did not feel the needed to do it until you get catch.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:00 pmand johnson of the coc dont disclose are you willing to make a statement that the adds they use are not what you back.
Top 10 Craziest Tea Party Quotes of All time
In this straight up nutty political climate, elected officials and candidates sometimes say the darndest things.
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October 12th, 2010 at 1:01 pmJohnson’s words are hollow. He has already received money from unidentified sources. Nothing is going to change at this stage of the game – the deed is done – Johnson has already benefitted – he can say he wants disclosure, but his words are meaningless.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:01 pmOT
October 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pmColbert interview Reich last night and they compared the economy to Pottersville (It’s a Wonderful Life). Mr. Potter is like the republicans today, gobbling up everything to grow his own riches – and the people of Pottersville can’t change things, they’re angry, hostile toward each other, and without hope.
… knowing damn well they won’t. It’s “win-win” for Johnson. Feingold shouldn’t have asked for this.
Cheers,
October 12th, 2010 at 1:05 pm… and perhaps there’s a pony under this pile of manure in my living room.
Cheers.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:07 pmThis debate occurred last night so I’m wondering if Russ had some inside info on the Rasmussen Reports poll done yesterday in WI out today in which he dropped 5 points from the last RP poll. Guess he went to same GnOP school as McCain, the one where they teach to say whatever the voters want to hear.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:07 pmHe is just like the democratic candidate for senate in WV, he has to say what the electorate wants to hear.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:13 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
You may rest assured that if this cell of traitors in the Chamber of Commerce really were on the up and up, they would long ago have fallen all over themselves to disclose and try to embarrass the Democrats by showing them up. It is at the point where the lack of such disclosure warrants an investigation.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:24 pmTurdblossom!!! Is that really you?!?!?
Cheers,
October 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pmJohnson isn’t worried. He knows that the Chamber of Commerce is not going to voluntariy admit that they are being funded by the Chinese government. If he were serious, he would tell them to stop running attack ads for him.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pmhar5125 says:
…..so I’m wondering if Russ had some inside info on the Rasmussen Reports poll…..
Let’s hope Johnson did drop 5 pts., but I sure wouldn’t trust a Rasmussen poll.
AIO
October 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pmThe CoC just needs some time to cook the books before ‘disclosing’. Cynical? Maybe but not without reason to be so.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:28 pmYeah, I’d like to see who these people with unlimited amounts of money are..
In Oregon, the Rethug candidate for governor, A FORMER MEDIOCRE NBA PLAYER is running neck and neck with the Dem, a former Oregon governor from the mid-90s who is an emergency room doctor who has been in state government for almost 30 years.
The Rethug has been getting rivers of cash from out-of-state donors who will not disclose…wonder who they are and why do they want to control Oregon?
October 12th, 2010 at 1:29 pmJohson might not want the groups names given out when he learns their hate groups and mulit-millionaires looking to take over the Government. These wannabes are so excited their candidates they have no idea the sharks are going to hand them money and eat them alive. The Feb 6 Supreme Court Justice got their money and allowed the door up for Corporations to buy elections and candidates.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:29 pmI guarantee that it is not the Chinese government, you traitor.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:31 pmNope, they’re probably not “required” to do much of anything. It’s America, after all, and despite its BS, America is business friendly.
But, it’d be nice if they’d remember, the law is the MINIMUM standard someone or something is held to in this country. They can always do more. If only in the interest of transparency that we all have been hearing so much about.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:34 pmAnyone down for CAP/ThinkProgress revealing their sources of funding?
How many ads has CAP/ThinkProgress produced and for which candidates?
October 12th, 2010 at 1:35 pmThis Chamber of Horrors believes they are above the law. Getting rid of as many Democrats as possible is the one and only goal.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:36 pmchicoalto0649 says:
Anyone down for CAP/ThinkProgress revealing their sources of funding?
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I didn’t know that Think Progress was running for office?
Typical, clueless right wing rebuttal. the idiot first denies the damage that could be done to our democracy and perhaps national security and than distracts by jabbing us by bringing TP into the conversation which is irrelevant to the discussion.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:37 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Russ Feingold is one of the few Senators who is against the unfair trade and tax policies which have caused millions of American jobs to go overseas. I wonder why the CoC is targeting him with this mysterious money.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:37 pmKenneth says:
I think I’ll head for higher ground before the tsunami hits!
You’d better. Also, you should stock up on Kleenex to dry your bitter and impotent tears.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:39 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
I think I’ll head for higher ground before the tsunami hits!
Good plan… if R’s DO win control of the House or Senate, this country is sure to be underwater soon.
Luckily, that’s a pretty big ‘if.’
October 12th, 2010 at 1:41 pmWhat does it say about the mindset of Republican voters that they do not want to know where the money supporting their candidates is coming from.
You don’t hear that “country first” bs coming from them anymore.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:45 pmSo let me get this straight. The trolls and all the rest of the phony patriots on the right support receiving foreign money to fund political campaigns.
Hmmm…what ever happened to our sovereignty?
Little do teapublican supporters know it but their own party along with multinational corporations, domestic and foreign businesses and foreign governments are influencing and bribing our elected officials and sending us hurdling into a global, one world system.
I thought teapublicans were against foreigners buying US assets, properties, etc, etc,. What ever happened to U-S-A!, U-S-A! U-S-A!???
Foreign money and influence to the right is only good and acceptable when it is going to their party. As long as it helps their party, they could give a flying phuck of the ramifications to our country or electoral process.
Phucking scum sucking anti-American traitors, the whole lot of them!
October 12th, 2010 at 1:46 pmshoeless says:
What does it say about the mindset of Republican voters that they do not want to know where the money supporting their candidates is coming from.
You don’t hear that “country first” bs coming from them anymore.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:48 pm——-
Country first = Party first!
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Gee Kenny, thanks for the update on the Feingold/Johnson polls.
Yes we are fully aware that Feingold will probably lose his senate seat to another corporatist. That’s exactly what this country need is another corporatist in the senate.
You freepers on the the right aren’t very intelligent are you?
October 12th, 2010 at 1:50 pmNot sure which party horns to buy yet!
I’d go with the blue ones with the Donkeys on ‘em…
October 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
The Reich always celebrates victory and in the last two elections, lost, big.
Keep celebrating. The game isn’t over yet.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pmKenny, the only November tsunami will be the crushing flood of tears from the right when they fall short of taking over the house and the senate on November 2nd.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:52 pmKenneth says:
No proof! It’s all BS!
Well, that’s why people want an investigation, while the Chamber of Commerce* doesn’t.
(*more like the Chamber of Secrets… trolls included!)
October 12th, 2010 at 1:53 pmDemocratic woes put at least 75 House seats in play
well it`s more like 80, but 40 of those are in very heavy union districts. so its down to they need 39 and we know Cao in LA is going to lose, and we get back one from HI
and they will NOT get the senate.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:54 pmKenneth says:
Insidious Prophet says:
So let me get this straight. The trolls and all the rest of the phony patriots on the right support receiving foreign money to fund political campaigns.
No proof! It’s all BS!
October 12th, 2010 at 1:54 pm———
Keep on listening to the lies Kenny, continue to keep your head firmly planted up your ass. Keep on letting others, protecting their own wealth and interests fool you as you support their agenda, which has nothing to do with your best interests…IDIOT!
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Trolls: The corporate take over of our government is a good thing.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:55 pmThis election, with the foreign money, is just a dry run for 2012. If unchecked and stopped, the money from outside our shores will filter thru businesses and interests within our borders just to be dumped into 501’s with the goal of targeting any politician that doesn’t march to their tune.
This is not an issue just for democrats. It’s for all democracy within this country. The shortsided view of the GOP now is pushing us into extinction.
All donations should be open to show all americans who is pushing money toward what.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:55 pmWe NEED a business person, not a lawyer, to create jobs in this country and get back to fiscal responsibility.
Psst, Bush was a ‘business person’ and oversaw the worst job market of any modern president… not to savvy on the ol’ fiscal responsibility, either.
Clinton was a lawyer… how’d jobs do under him?
Great?!? Whoa, weird.
October 12th, 2010 at 1:57 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Kenneth says:
We NEED a business person, not a lawyer, to create jobs in this country and get back to fiscal responsibility.
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* I thought government wasn’t in the business to create jobs?
* We need more business people, not lawyers??? Hmmm…how many republican politicians are lawyers?
* A business person getting elected is going to push for legislation which favors businesses not the American worker.
* Fiscal responsibility??? Like the republicans during the Bush years? Fiscal responsibility? Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations under the guise that it will create more jobs…EPIC FAIL…!
October 12th, 2010 at 1:59 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Kenny, foriegn money is being deposited into the same account that’s being used for campaign / ad funding within the borders of the USA. You do understand the money is fungible correct?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:01 pmbelaccifer lacca says:
We NEED a business person, not a lawyer, to create jobs in this country and get back to fiscal responsibility.
Psst, Bush was a ‘business person’ and oversaw the worst job market of any modern president… not to savvy on the ol’ fiscal responsibility, either.
Clinton was a lawyer… how’d jobs do under him?
Great?!? Whoa, weird.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:01 pm—————
Needed repeating!
Campaign reform should be a TOP priority with Congress right after jobs. This way it would hopefully put an end to the highest bidder for the corporations taking office.
1 question though. And I am sincerely asking for lack of knowledge on the subject. A friend of mine(yes I have 1 or 2) and I were talking about the Chamber of Commerce subject. Now he mentioned something about an FOIA request for Obama’s campaign finances in 2008 while running for President was shut down. Is there any truth to that???
October 12th, 2010 at 2:02 pmWe are going forward, with or without you.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:02 pmKenneth says:
That was then! This is NOW! Time to move forward!
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Oh I see, you are one of those who actually believe that the republicans have, in three short years seen the light and will return to fiscal responsibility over night!
BAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
Sorry chump, they want to return to the failed policies of Reagan and Bush. Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, tax breaks for corporations, less regulation, cut or eliminate social security, eliminate medicare, etc, etc…
The republicans are the party that doesn’t have any solutions or they would have told the public about them already.
They want to continue to have the middle class and the poor shoulder the burden for the wealthy elites, multinational corporations and big business. BRILLIANT!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pmThe very odd couple: the REpublican Party and certain unnamed Chinese communist corporations, working together to destroy AMerican jobs and ship them off to China…
October 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pmThat was then! This is NOW! Time to move forward!
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm–Santayana
Kenneth says:
Good Luck on 11/2.
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Kenny, don’t wish me good luck. As much as I am angry with the democratic party, I am more angry with the republicans and despise them.
Both parties are corporate whores. The democrats tend to not make it as obvious but even still they fight for we the people, the middle class, when have the republicans ever looked out for the best interests of the middle class? NEVER!
The way I see, I really don’t give a damn which party wins anymore. In my mind, our country is done, it’s history. We will soon become a fascist/corporate owned and ruled government.
We the people get what we deserve!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pmI still say that it would be interesting if some of the funders are also groups which are friendly to Al Quedah et al.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pmThomas Payne, resident idiot!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:15 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Government doesn’t create jobs, but gets in the way of free market growth.
Explain the job market in WW2…
October 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pmWhen people of all income levels have jobs and money to spend?
The stupidity reeks in this gem by kennyboy!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pmThe free market took us to the brink. The brain dead are just that!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pmKenneth says:
Government doesn’t create jobs, but gets in the way of free market growth.
So you disagree with the GOP when they blame Obama for not creating jobs? After all, “government doesn’t create jobs”, but the GOP wants government to create jobs.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pmKenneh, unfounded absolutist dogma of the type you’re fond of pronouncing probably makes you feel better inside, but it really makes you appear to others as ill-informed and unthinking.
For instance, should Ron Johnson win this election, what do you suppose his job will be for the next six years?
It won’t be salesman at Pacific Stereos, I can assure you of that.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:24 pmInsidious Prophet says:
Kenneth says:
Good Luck on 11/2.
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Kenny, don’t wish me good luck. As much as I am angry with the democratic party, I am more angry with the republicans and despise them.
That’s the difference between you and me – You have a hateful heart like the rest of your ilk while I just disagree with the Liberal/Progressive ideology and policies.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pmKenneth says:
That’s the difference between you and me – You have a hateful heart like the rest of your ilk while I just disagree with the Liberal/Progressive ideology and policies.
That’s surprising, considering the amount of exclamation points you hammer into your sentences here.
You hate us as people, Kenneth. Go ahead and say it.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
In order to vote in this country one must be a citizen of the US and one must register to vote. It is incomprehensible that a non-citizen may, anonymously, fund a political candidate, an issue, a campaign, a Party.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pmEasy, there, kenneh. You sound almost… angry.
Not surprising, though, the way belac throughly skewered your argument and left you with no retort but “don’t look over there! Look over here!”
That would be enough to make anyone angry. I mean, I didn’t see any simple “disagreement” expressed by you.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pmKenneth says:
Can you explain the job market of WW2, please?
Thanks.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pmChamber of Commerce represents about 300,000 businesses. If small business creates 70% of jobs, why would the administration pick a fight with the Chamber in an atmosphere where Americans are mostly concerned about the economy and jobs?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pmUh, oh… Kenneh linked to an article showing that George Soros
* dun-dun-DUM *
is not quite the Democratic sugar daddy that the trolls all need him to be.
Troll Central’s not gonna be happy.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pmSTFU, b-cup.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pmUnicornCowboy says:
So you feel that any foreign contributions which have paid for political ads should NOT be disclosed?
Why, exactly?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pmIt’s interesting that when it comes to the War On Terror, conservatives have been fond of saying that only people who have something to hide should be in any way afraid of an investigation — only to protest when the tables are turned and the same rationale is applied to a different situation in which people like themselves are the ones under scrutiny. Unfortunately for them, they can’t really have it both ways. (Well, they can try…but all they do is prove themselves to be blatant hypocrites.)
October 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pmRon Johnson has a background in manufacturing.
It must be the fertilizer business, because all he’s done so far is manufacture bullshit & try to sell it to voters.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pmKenneth says:
It’s up to future Senators like Ron Johnson to remove rules and regulations which hinder private sector businesses from growth and hiring new employees.
Government doesn’t create jobs, but gets in the way of free market growth.
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Really? What rules and regulations prevented the worse job creation in US history during the Bush years? Businesses are making record profits today, where are all of the jobs? The Bush tax cuts, which were suppose to create more jobs, are currently still in place, where are all of the jobs?
Government doesn’t create jobs? So what do you call the military? Police & Firemen? County clerks, Staff…?
Government gets in the way of the free market??? It seems to me the government has no problem with businesses taking advantage of the “free market” and shipping jobs overseas to make maximum profits.
Kenny, are you really this stupid and gullible? Whats the number one goal of a business or corporation? To make a profit. This supersedes loyalty to the American worker and to our country. If you are too blind to see these facts, well than my friend, there is absolutely no help for a brainwashed idiot like you and your like minded fellow brainwashed right wing sheep.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pmGovernment doesn’t create jobs, but gets in the way of free market growth.
*Sigh*
After a near depression brought on by conservatives’ lax regulations, some seem to think doing the same think will yield a different result.
Not in the real world, Kenny.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pmMy guess, belac, from reading b-cup’s comment, is that b-cup feels that small business might get its feelings hurt if the Administration picks a fight with an umbrella group that claims to represent them, and then they would stop creating jobs, just to show the President how sorry he’s gonna be. And so anything that umbrella group wants to do should be allowed in the interest of promising to “create jobs”.
What’s your take?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:45 pmHey jerk, Unicornhole, you friggin are so stupid. The national chamber using foreign money to inluence policy in the favor of those foreign interest doesn’t represent the 300,000 businesses when it acts against their interests with that money. You are so f’n lame!
October 12th, 2010 at 2:45 pmIt’s a great question. One of about a million the administration could ask about any number of other entities.
The decision was made to take on the Chamber of Commerce and the question remains.
Why does that make sense when small business creates the jobs and that’s what concerning the American people today?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pmUnicornCowboy says:
Chamber of Commerce represents about 300,000 businesses. If small business creates 70% of jobs, why would the administration pick a fight with the Chamber in an atmosphere where Americans are mostly concerned about the economy and jobs?
Because the National Chamber is all about off-shoring jobs, for their multi-national corporation buddies.
It’s really disingenuous to refer to small business, when the multi-nationals are paying the freight.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pmWe are not obligated to discuss our internal accounting procedures
Dude- ya you are.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pmBREAKING NEWS: The Taliban and Al Qaeda are funding the American Taliban! *snark*
That headline may be false but if true, the right, with their dangerous party first mentality, twisted morals and agenda, probably wouldn’t have a problem if say Osama Bin Laden actually sent the RNC $1 million.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pmRepublicans in bed with communist China!!!
Where is the outrage from the teabaggers?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pmWhat’s your take?
My take is that the right would prefer not to discuss anything related to funding sources… whether it be the Koch brothers, corporations or foreign sources.
I find that interesting…
October 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pmThat headline may be false but if true, the right, with their dangerous party first mentality, twisted morals and agenda, probably wouldn’t have a problem if say Osama Bin Laden actually sent the RNC $1 million.
It’s not like they haven’t supported terrorists in the past.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pmThe Senate is now in play … but yes a toss up or lower chance if it goes GOP, but the house will be GOP for sure.
Even with a GOP House and Senate there won’t be much done unless Maobama “pivots” much like Clinton did. If he doesn’t he will get a Jimmy Carter style defeat, if he does pivot his chances are better but not certain.
Either scenario Progressives are phucked, no more leftist agenda.
You can all crawl back under the rocks you came out under from. YOU ARE NOW IMPOTENT.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pmSo, the Chamber is going to foresake the 300,000 business members they have for the foreign money they’ll use to offshore jobs.
Good luck with that.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pmbelac, did you see how smoothly b-cup diffused the focus of your question without addressing it? That’s a practiced craftsman, there.
And then he reiterated his earlier rhetorical, as if its shaky underpinnings had not been challenged at all. Most impressive.
He’s the Teflon Troll™
October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pmThe decision was made to take on the Chamber of Commerce and the question remains.
Why do you think the Chamber is funding all these PRO-Republican ads?
Where is the money coming from?
You don’t feel these are questions worth asking?
Why can’t you answer?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pmYes, and won’t the rightist commenters be surprised when the bill comes due, for their shilling?
Do they really think a failed economic policy will somehow become successful?
Really?
October 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pmUnicornCowboy says:
So, the Chamber is going to foresake the 300,000 business members they have for the foreign money they’ll use to offshore jobs.
Good luck with that.
You really believe none of those 300,000 are multinationals?
How sadly uninformed you are.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:52 pmYOU ARE NOW IMPOTENT.
You can’t really make people impotent.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:52 pmIt’s not your superpower… my guess is the guys you’re trying to sleep with just don’t find you attractive.
Candy CornCowboy says:
Chamber of Commerce represents about 300,000 businesses.
3% of all small businesses make 50% of all profit.
This includes Bechtel, with gross income of over $32 billion / yr.
That’s about 9,000 businesses Nationwide that make half of all the money. They’re called small businesses because of arcane rules & USCoC pressure to ‘let them operate freely’.
These numbers, (3% = 50%), are strikingly similar to where the wealth is in general, with 2-3% of the rich controlling over 50% of all wealth.
Greed is not only legal, it’s encouraged.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:53 pmbelac, it appears that b-cup’s position is that we can’t afford to risk offending the Chamber by asking these questions.
We’d probably be better off just letting the Chamber go about doing its work of “job creation” however they want to do it.
It’s too bad the Chamber wasn’t around to create jobs when Bush was President.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:53 pmUnicornCowboy says:
Chamber of Commerce represents about 300,000 businesses. If small business creates 70% of jobs, why would the administration pick a fight with the Chamber in an atmosphere where Americans are mostly concerned about the economy and jobs?
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Exactly what small businesses do the Chamber Of Commerce actually represent? The thousands of small businesses that are on off branch of mega corporations?
Exactly what small businesses are you talking about? The republicans have already been exposed for lying about the small businesses that they allegedly fight for. These aren’t small, mom and pop like businesses. They are businesses connected to Koch industries, etc, etc, who set up a small business to screw the tax payers of this country.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pmIt’s too bad the Chamber wasn’t around to create jobs when Bush was President.
Is that what happened? I wondered…
October 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pmI’d really like to hear UnicornCowboy (glad to hear you’ve gotten off of the Island of Misfit Toys, by the way) to explain why exactly the Obama Administration picking a fight with the USCC stands to in any way derail job growth?
I’d love to understand the mechanics of that process.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:56 pmto explain why exactly the Obama Administration picking a fight with the USCC stands to in any way derail job growth?
You’ll have to wait: Rush won’t be covering that til this afternoon.
October 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pmHere’s the problem with attacking the Chamber of Commerce now.
To the uninitiated (like me), it goes something like this:
The Chamber of Commerce and the administration have policy disagreements. The administration wants to question the funding in an attempt to discredit the organization’s opposition.
That’s okay, until you start to consider that it also highlights that the administration and the Chamber are at odds.
The Chamber of Commerce represents small business. Small business creates 70% of our jobs. We need jobs now.
If the Chamber opposes the administration, what do they see in the administration that is contrary to small business and job creation?
It causes people to question the administration’s commitment to small business and job creation.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:01 pmIf the Chamber opposes the administration, what do they see in the administration that is contrary to small business and job creation?
The already failed economic policy that the Chamber is still pushing, for starters.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:03 pmIt causes people to question the administration’s commitment to small business and job creation.
Hmm, it causes YOU to question that… considering that the Chamber fully supported MANY of the policies of Bush that led to the worst job creation of any modern administration, I wonder why you feel they represent ‘job creation’ at all?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pmThe Bush years showed the weakness of conservative economic policy. We tried it for 8 years, and a market meltdown was the result. Why anyone thinks a return to those policies will somehow yield a different result, is confusing.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pm… in other words, the impact as you see it would be primarily political, which has little if anything to do with direct job creation.
Good point, b-cup. We ought to be really concerned with why political opponents clash with the President and what that says about the administration.
One could also question the administration’s commitment to families, since the American Family Association opposes the President’s policies.
A stroke of insight, b-cup!
October 12th, 2010 at 3:05 pmb-cup, stop clutching those pearls so tightly. Your knuckles are turning white.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:06 pmYou lunatics are so so desperate.
http://factcheck.org/2010/10/foreign-money-really/
October 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pmSeems you gotta blame others for your failures. Hate to inform you IT’S NOT WORKING LOSERS!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-foreign-money-us-chamber-commerce-ads/story?id=11853117
October 12th, 2010 at 3:09 pmBlame Bush = fail.
It’s not working fool.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:11 pmThomas Payne says:
So history doesn’t record dismal job growth under Bush?
Interesting… I believe that it does.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm#47 Kenneth says:
Oh, yes. What a wonderful world it will be when everyone is a billionaire.
What Kenny’s really saying is that his best interests are served (he thinks) when people of ALL income levels are alike prohibited from sleeping under bridges….
What a maroon Kenny Boy is.
Cheers,
October 12th, 2010 at 3:20 pmJust for curiosity’s sake, b-cup… given that policies that the Chamber enthusiastically supported under BUsh led to the worst record of job creation since Hoover, and that job creation has improved under President Obama, at what point does one begin to question the Chamber’s commitment to small business and job creation?
Is that ever allowed?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:28 pmWhat was it Republicans kept repeating when Bush/Cheney shoved through the Patriot Act & all the illegal surveillance items??— Oh, yes– if you have nothing to hide, why do you care?? So I guess the Chamber has something to hide.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pmHere’s an analogy I’m sure you’ll love:
Imagine back in 2004, Americans saw the environment as the most pressing issue. And President Bush (contentious with environmentalists) accused a leading environmental group of some illegal activity.
Most people would suspect his charges as motivated by partisanship. More importantly, the more the story was in the news, the more it would work to highlight environmentalists’ opposition to Bush.
People would think: The environment is important to me, what is it that environmentalists know about Bush that causes their opposition to him?
Is Bush really committed to the environment?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pmralph. you should question the chamber. I’m not raising a right and wrong question here. I’m questioning the timing of attacking an organization that appears to many in the public as representing small business (small business that creates jobs); in an environment when people are concerned about job creation.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pmUnicornCowboy says:
Care to actually answer any one of the MANY questions ralph or I have posed?
Why not?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pmYeah, that’s a great analogy, b-cup. One of your best.
As is your custom, you deftly illustrated the narrow possibility that you’d like to introduce as an inevitability, and as required, you have just as deftly ignored the dozens of simple obstacles that lie just outside of the tight sanctioned course you’ve plotted.
at what point does one begin to question the Chamber’s commitment to small business and job creation?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pmPayne’s fact check does yield an important point. If the behavior that the administration charges is serious.
If the administration is going to make a serious charge, they need to be able to offer some evidence of it.
Otherwise, it looks like a disingenuous attempt at an october surprise.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pmI’m questioning the timing of attacking an organization that appears to many in the public as representing small business
I’m questioning whether it’s an attack to ask if an organization is breaking the law… and your intellectual honesty.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:39 pmbel.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying.
It’s more of a political point.
If you think it’s a good idea to attack the US Chamber of Commerce in this environment – have at it.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:40 pmAnd you kind of have to more than what the administration is offering to start questioning intellectual honesty.
When did you stop beating your wife?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pmA word to the trolls:
Using terms such as “tsunami,” “avalanche,” and “landslide” to describe the election isn’t that wise. Each one of these events takes down victims arbitrarily – it doesn’t matter if you’re a Republican sipping Mai Tais on Wall Street or a Democrat behind a desk – and there will always be the unlucky that will be scoured away.
And to a Mr. Pain: what is the “Leftist Agenda” you speak of? Is it to give tax breaks to families below the poverty line and fund work projects around the country?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:42 pmOh, well, since you oput it THAT way.
Of course, if we add a dose of reality to your carefully phrased description of the Chamber as “an organization that appears to many in the public as representing small business” and instead see it as a nakedly partisan right-wing organization representing primarily multinationals, that weakens your “questioning” considerably.
And we would have to ignore the recent history of job creation under the two competing philosophies, wouldn’t we? As well as ignoring the weakness of your implied connection between opposing the Chamber and actual, you know… real-world job creation.
Other than that, you’re doing a bang-up job raising these “questions”. As always.
October 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pmCare to rephrase that?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pmUnicornCowboy says:
Sigh… honestly?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pmRead: “after all, someone’s got to, and it’s sure not going to be me.”
October 12th, 2010 at 3:46 pmIt’s not just me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp5cuPKmxaE
October 12th, 2010 at 3:50 pmI’m sure you take great comfort in the fact that talking heads also question the President for assailing the integrity of the Chamber of Commerce.
Seems like you’re on to something, b-cup.
BTW, did anyone actually say “it’s just you”? ‘Cause otherwise, I’m not sure I see what this link is supposed to prove?
October 12th, 2010 at 3:54 pmJobs? Don’t forgit: tax cuts for the rich creates jobs in Swiss banks, especially in the secret numbered accounts department…
October 12th, 2010 at 3:55 pmHit the chamber in the pocketbook by boycotting local member businesses and tell the merchants why you will not be shopping there, as long as they support the chamber of commerce. That will hurt that organization where it hurts.
October 12th, 2010 at 4:14 pmUnicornCowboy says:
It’s not just me:
Not just you… being led around by the nose?
TP already dealt with the assertions made by The Times.
Look back at the original thread that references the Times article. There is nothing in the times article that refutes TP’s assertions.
October 12th, 2010 at 4:43 pmPayne, your the fool, idiot.
October 12th, 2010 at 7:16 pmWhat unicornhole, are you concerned about that you have to ask about wife beating. Is it just because you haven’t stopped beating yours?
October 12th, 2010 at 7:19 pmAs usual Johnson chafes at the thought of disclosure then flip-flops. Trust me, this corporate cardboard cutout will reverse his position or say it was taken out of context.
In an election cycle that features a daffy witch, a militant wrinkly-faced hack, a proponent of work camps, and other assorted nut jobs, Johnson stands out for lying and hypocrisy.
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