Moments ago, in a 56-43 vote, Senate Democrats failed to invoke cloture on the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act, falling three votes shy of the 60 need to break a Republican filibuster. As is customary, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) voted against the measure as a procedural tactic, allowing him to revive the bill at a later date. The result represents a major setback for advocates of repealing the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy and supporters of the DREAM Act.
Chances of invoking cloture began to fade early this afternoon, as moderate Republican Senators who support DADT repeal, used procedural explanations to substantiate their vote against starting debate on the measure. Along with concerns about voting to repeal the DADT policy before the Pentagon completed its year-long review and the suggestion that the DREAM Act was unrelated to national defense, the Republicans also complained that Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) was limiting debate to just three amendments — DADT, DREAM, and secret holds. Reid, however, had made assurances that he would consider Republican amendments after the recess. Ignoring Reid’s concession, Republican moderates like Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) took to the floor to equate repealing the ban against open service in the military to restricting the right of Republicans to offer alternative amendments:
– SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (R-ME): “I support the provisions in this bill. I debated for them; I was the sole Republican on the Committee that voted for the Lieberman-Levin language on don’t ask, don’t tell. I think it’s the right thing to do, I think it’s only fair. I think we should welcome the service of these individuals who are willing and capable of serving their country. But I cannot vote to proceed to this bill under a situation that is going to shut down debate and preclude Republican amendments. That too is not fair.”
– SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE (R-ME): “First and foremost, the Senate should have the ability to debate more than the three amendments the Majority Leader is allowing…We should all have the opportunity to review that [DADT] report which is to be completed on December 1, as we reevaluate this policy and the implementation of any new changes”
– SEN. SCOTT BROWN (R-MA): “The majority party, I feel, is using our men and women in uniform as a tactic to pass politically expedient legislation entirely unrelated to the defense authorization. It is in my view not appropriate.”
– SEN. GEROGE VOINOVICH (R-OH): “The DREAM Act deals with immigration and shouldn’t be on this bill. ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ is a controversial issue that needs to be debated on the Senate floor but I believe it would be logical to wait for the Department of Defense to issue its report on ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’”
Democrats, who also today announced that they would likely adjourn a week early, say they plan to take up the act after the midterm elections. “We’re going to come back into session in November or December. I spoke to Sen. Reid today. He’s very clear and strong that he’s going to bring this bill to the floor in November or December,” Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) told the Washington Blade’s Chris Johnson. Lieberman also predicted that “opponents of the repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ have enough votes to take that repeal out of this legislation,” something Collins confirmed in her floor speech today, saying that she would vote “against the amendment to strike don’t ask, don’t tell provisions from this bill.”
At a press conference earlier today, Durbin said that this is the first time since 1952 that the Congress failed to pass a defense authorization measure. “What would be unprecedented is if Republicans block the Senate from passing the defense authorization bill for the first time since 1952,” Durbin said.
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This is is shrewd move by Dems. Now they can go out on the campaign trail blasting Repukes for filibustering a Defence bill. It also appeases the left who have been complaining there has not been a vote on DADT.
Smart move all around. Repukes had nothing to gain and now have more things they need to defend for the election.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pmWith Just 42 Votes, Republicans Block Debate Over Defense Authorization Bill
– - The Whig Party, and Democrats stuck in the 1960s, are just putting off the inevitable.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pmDemocrats should use this vote to beat Republicans over the head all the way to the Nov election. Over 70% of the people in this country favor repeal of DADT, and once again republicans have snubbed their noses at the American people.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pmToday, I really, really, REALLY hate Repukes.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pmNot all democrats are created equal , remember that when you vote in November !
To the 15 democrats who voted against this bill ,I hope you suffer over your vote on behalf of all those who you have done such a grave injustice to this day .
You need to be removed from office with all due haste .
You should be ashamed !
September 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pmI am so sick of republicants. Is there a useful reason for them?
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I can predict how MSM will report this tonight:
“Another defeat for the Obama Administration”
Will they mention the poll numbers of American’s who support repeal of DADT?
Will the DNC jump on this as well? Ha, ha, ha…yeah right!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pmthe two sisters from maine ought to be very afraid. their days in the senate are numbered once the teabagging filth set their sights on them in a primary.
nice knowing ya, suzie and lympy
September 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pmThe vote fell mostly along party lines, although Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, both D- Ark., sided with Republicans to block the bill. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also voted against the measure as a procedural tactic.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39286687/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
September 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pmUnicorn ,
serving in the armed forces was one of two possiblities for the children of undocumented immigrants to gain citizenship .
These people have lived the vast majority of their life in the US and many if not most have never been to Mexico .
September 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pmUnicorn Cowboy says:
September 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pmRethugs, especially in 01-08 used this tactic to move onerous legislation thru the Congress. They’d use it to lambaste Democrats who would vote against such legislation.
In other words:
POT, meet KETTLE.
Thanks to senate procedure, a small minority can easily obstruct the will of the vast majority of the public.
The teabaggers want to repeal the Seventeenth Amendment and return selection of the US Senators to the states. With Senate rules like this, I wonder if it’s worth even having a US Senate at all. (I know, I know, we’re constitutionally stuck with the US Senate.)
With the Republicans so dead set against any and all regulation, you’d think they would be happy to repeal one more piece of legislation.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pmThis legislation will come up again after the election. Might be a better chance to move it forward then. I hope.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pmeyeswideopen1 says:
This is is shrewd move by Dems. Now they can go out on the campaign trail blasting Repukes for filibustering a Defence bill.
IF the Dems actually use the tactic.
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does this mean lame duck scotty’s daughters will be making their way to the recruiter’s office to fill in the void left from this discriminatory policy?
hope you enjoyed your half term in the senate, scotty. it’s going to be hard explaining this to the voters of mass.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pmTo the 15 democrats who voted against this bill
You mean two?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pmI never thought I would see the day when a majority vote was a loss. This sixty-votes to cloture is a large load of manure. Have we been dimensionally shifted to bizarro world?
Yah, I know, that’s the rule now.
This nation is righteously bollixed, on the skids, and gone the way of the dodo fellow babies.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pmR’s: no better than common kidnappers.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pmUnicornCowboy says:
Why not take a class on American Government and find out!
You can do it!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pmaren’t the repugnantscums notorious for attaching tax breaks to the wealthy as part of defense bills?
as far as i’m concerned, scott brown can go fcuk himself on this issue.,
September 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pmeyeswideopen1 says:
This is is shrewd move by Dems. Now they can go out on the campaign trail blasting Repukes for filibustering a Defence bill.
Agree.
A shame DADT is still out there to be used as a tool for the tea bagging GOP.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pmReal sad. The lawmakers should be ashamed. I hope folks remember this shame come November to vote out the slackers.
OT
Eight ex-Bell officials arrested for salary scandal. former city manager Rizzo faces 53 counts
Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Steve Cooley filed charges against eight current and former Bell officials Tuesday, alleging that they misappropriated $5.5 million in public funds. Robert Rizzo, Bell’s former city manager, has been charged with 53 counts of misappropriation of public funds and conflict of interest.
The charges come after a dramatic morning in which authorities swept through Bell and other cities, arresting former and current Bell officials.
Among those arrested were Rizzo; Angela Spaccia, former assistant city manager; Mayor Oscar Hernandez; councilmembers George Mirabal, Teresa Jacobo and Luis Artiga; and former councilmembers George Cole and Victor Bello.
“This is corruption on steroids,” Cooley said.
[Updated at 11:28 a.m.: Cooley said officials used the city's tax dollars "as their own piggy bank that they then looted at will."]
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09/bell-charges-rizzo.html
On a side note: Someone anonymous Bell resident took a photo of one of the ex-Bell officials being handcuffed and arrested by the cop from his home. It is plastered on the LA Times. Priceless.
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gully foyle says:
I never thought I would see the day when a majority vote was a loss. This sixty-votes to cloture is a large load of manure. Have we been dimensionally shifted to bizarro world?
Exactly, the filibuster needs to go away… they can do it after this election…
September 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pmBecause Democrats are the majority.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm@16
come now,,, if you can not understand really simple things like this how will you be able to understand more complex things like leaving your trailer-park?
LOL at you cause well just cause LOL
September 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pmfreeman says:
Actually nearly 1/3 of all democratic senators voted against this .
How do you figure?
Do you figure?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm“Exactly, the filibuster needs to go away”
wrong, they need to make those mo-fo’s grab a phone book and start speaking on the floor of the senate like they used to during a fillibuster. enough of this saying “fillibuster” from your office and having it stick.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pmgully foyle says:
September 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pmThe Senate is completely dysfunctional these days. Until there is a major re-write of the rules governing use of clouture, the fillibuster and holds, that’s the way it’s going to be.
Only with Democrats in the majority would you see this happen. The Rethugs set this up nicely for themselves before 06.
Repiggies, repiggies, oink, oink, oink…
Little repiggies always have to prove that they have balls.
Little repiggies love to win elections, but they hate to govern.
What good are little repiggies?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pmA Connecticut Yankee says:
Nah, it’s a stupid parliamentary trick that’s outlived its ‘usefulness’
You wanna govern and set the agenda?
Win elections.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pmNobody actually filibusters ANYTHING anymore–they just THREATEN to filibuster.
The Democrats should MAKE the GOP actually filibuster a bill–literally force them to stand there talking a bill to death for hours while the Defense Dept. waits for its funding
Expose the Republicans for being the obstructionists that the are!
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Nothing like a little showing off of your homophobia, right Senate?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pmThe Democrats should MAKE the GOP actually filibuster a bill–literally force them to stand there talking a bill to death for hours while the Defense Dept. waits for its funding
You don’t do that anymore… the rules changed.
Let’s change them again.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pmOnly 2 Freeman. Reid voted against as well but that was procedural so he can bring it to the floor again.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pmHow many repiggie adulterers and closet cases are voting against the repeal of DADT?
The hypocrisy is blatant.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pmA Connecticut Yankee says:
“Exactly, the filibuster needs to go away”
wrong, they need to make those mo-fo’s grab a phone book and start speaking on the floor of the senate like they used to during a fillibuster. enough of this saying “fillibuster” from your office and having it stick.
I say you have to speak only on what you are filler-busting!!!!!!!!!!1
September 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pmthat would make short work of them!!!!
How many democrats voted against this bela more than 2 but certainly less than 15 ?
2.
And the Reid in order to SAVE the bill so he could re-introduce it.
2 voted against it, freeman.
Saying anything else is disingenuous, at best.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pmfreemon,
how do you come up with a third? Democrats had 56 votes for, two against. How does that add up to a third? Math seems not to be your strong suit.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm1. Debate? That can’t start until there is a cloture vote of 60 to begin the process!
2. The DOD is studying HOW, not whether, to implement the elimination of DADT. The Senate could vote with the completion of the study as a contingency for implementation of the change.
3. The Republicans just don’t want another Obama and Democratic win before the election. Plain. And. Simple.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pmWhat about the troops? If the Democrats did this when Bush was President, we’d be hearing impassioned speeches about how our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan because the Defense authorization has been blocked by traitors.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pmLet’s see, there are 40 Republican Senators + Harry. That’s 41. The vote was 56-43 so that means 2 Dems.
Simple enough math for ya, Judas?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pmAnytime Congress votes against providing full rights to all Americans it’s a defeat for democracy.
The witches and vampires on the Far Right have tasted blood and are no doubt giggling about it. Who will be their next victims?
Revive the ERA.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm@44,
you are exactly right, and democrats should be beating republicans over the head with the same stick.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pmTell me again how more R’s winning will advance Progressive causes, freeman?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pmfreeman,
Care to name the 15 Democratic Senators who you say voted against it? Thanks.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pmFact that would only interest me:
September 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pmWho was the one Senator that didn’t vote?
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Jim, I accidentally voted 50 down… apologies, i was attempting to vote it up.
Sorry!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pmYour right 2 with a third , Harry Reid , voting against it for procedural reasons .
I’m seeing red . I’m gonna go lay down now !
September 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pmi hope those who voted against it incur “the wrath of gaga” and that of her fans come this election cycle.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pmHow did siste Lindsey Graham vote? Everybody knows he is in the closet.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pmgot your back belaccifer lacca. I voted Jim up.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pmNo worries belaccifer.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pmI did that several times this morning before the caffeine kicked in.
Jim Wolf359 says:@50
Lisa write in mukawski (spelling) AK
September 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pmhellinabucket says:
Thanks!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pmHey, what are friends for?
September 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pmI’m seeing red .
Then stop working against Dem’s… you’ll get nothing from the R’s, sorry.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pmAh!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pmThanks Pilotshark. I was wondering about that.
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Very impassioned speeches from Sen. Durbin and Sen. Reid after this defeat today.
Repugs have used procedural moves to require sixty votes on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT COMES BEFORE THE SENATE — this was no exception.
Now we are hearing from McCain and the repugs crying that they never get a seat at the table – they are not consulted.
More obstructionism, followed by squealing, whining and pouting by the childish GOP.
Democrats have – to our great dismay here in the country – extended compromise and negotiation time and time again only to be slapped away. When repugs were in the majority, there was no effort at negotiation or compromise – it was 8 years of my way or no way – they forced Democrats to hold meetings in cloak rooms and they even turned out the lights on Democratic meetings — but now that they are the minority and are given a chance to participate, they cross their arms and stomp their feet – NO! They cry. They will use every maneuver in the book to thwart any progress Democrats want to make.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm“Sens. Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln were the two Democrats who joined the Republican filibuster”
This, in my opinion, is the central cause of the ‘enthusiasm gap’ we hear so much about.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pmTORM
September 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pmwhy do repugnantscums tuck tax cuts into defense bills?
at least repealing DADT has to actually do with the military.
Democrats, who also today announced that they would likely adjourn a week early, say they plan to take up the act after the midterm elections. “We’re going to come back into session in November or December. I spoke to Sen. Reid today. He’s very clear and strong that he’s going to bring this bill to the floor in November or December,” Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) told the Washington Blade’s Chris Johnson.
I hope it’s the first damn thing they pass after the election. All righty heads will then have exploded.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pmThis vote will do the democrats good in Nov.
I am actually so mad I’m about to burst a blood vessel .
The worst of it is , I built up the hopes of several hispanic friends just by mentioning that the dream act was being voted on and I will have to tell them it didn’t pass .
Sometimes life sucks !
September 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pmStorm says:
Again, I encourage you to take a class on American Government and find out why these were attached to the Defense Authorization… embrace learning, Storm!
September 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pmThose oppposed to the DREAM Act should take a few minutes to educate themselves before they denounce it.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pmi would loooooovvvvve to see blanche lincoln sent home this year. even if it means losing the seat to a repugnantscums. hell, might as well have a real repugnantscum in the seat than a pretend democrat.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pmHow do you know you built up there hopes just by mentioning the vote Star? Just wondering. Thanks and enjoy the rest.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm53 freeman
You do that, Freeman.
In fact, I recommend you don’t show your sorry arse around here until January 21st, 2013.
Thanks in advance.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pmtheir…
September 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm– - From Bret Stephens in today’s WSJ:
“…In the meantime, it’s worth noting that there are an estimated 48,000 homosexuals on active duty or the reserves, many of them in critical occupations, many with distinguished service records. If they pose any risk at all to America’s security, it is, paradoxically, because DADT institutionalizes dishonesty, puts them at risk of blackmail, and forces fellow warfighters who may know about their orientation to make an invidious choice between comradeship and the law. That’s no way to run a military… Republican senators are now bellyaching that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid intends to jam the repeal amendment into a bill they have no real choice but to vote for. They should be silently thanking him. He’s giving them the chance to do the right thing while blaming the Democrats for it. It’s a GOP twofer, plus a vote they’ll someday be proud of.”
September 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pmstorm, god you are stupid. One of the reasons republicans are using for voting against the bill was, they weren’t allowed to add more things to the bill.
Of course we know what the real reason was for them voting against the bill, and that was their anti-gay agenda.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pmOhNoNotAnotherScreenName says:
You hate the troops?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pmWhy am I not surprised…
Now that debate on the bill has been voted down, the Democrats should threaten to shut down the Pentagon. And then do it.
President Obama would have to bring the troops home because of lack of funds.
He could also shut down all the military facilities in red states, too. How about completely demolishing them so there would be hundreds of thousands of Teabaggers permanently out of a job and dependent of socialist safety nets till kingdom comes or The Rapture?
This is what the Republicans say they will do to all public services if they get the majority. Let’s give them a head start on what they want. See how voters like the idea before the election?
Not a bad idea really.
If chaos and more unemployment is what Republicans want, give it to them. They could say they won? That’s all they really care about. Certainly not equal rights for all.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pmStorm says:
Why is all this crap crammed into a defense bill anyway< Well at lease it got stopped. thank you!
If it was acceptable to enact DADT with a defense bill, why is it unacceptable to repeal it that way dipsh*t?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pmIt was the right thing to do.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm—
How so? Would you like to discuss it?
Wow, the ‘pubs certainly earned their “con cred” today.
Deny Brown People – check
Deny Gay People – check
If only there had been something regarding Muslims in today’s bill, it could have been a ‘Bagger Trifecta!
PEACE
P.S. good to see you back, db!
September 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pmNow just think what might have happened if Dems had shown unity of cause instead of having just 2 Dems wandering off, doing their own thing.
This should get everyone thinking about coming together for the good of the country and save chasing personal agendas for a time when we have the luxury. Ya think, freeman?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pmOhNoNotAnotherScreenName says:
“It was the right thing to do.”
only in teabagging filth land is denying a person the priviledge to defend their country “the right thing to do”.
hey scumbag, you going to go enlist to fill in the void?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pmI was with a large extnded Mexican family for their independence day and explained to them what the Dream Act Was and that it would probabably be voted on this week .
Most of those present fell into the catagory of ,having grown up here since very early childhood and several had lost other close family members over the last year .
They were all very excited about it , as was I .
.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pmCan we start by define “gay agenda”? Thanks
September 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pmspeaking of sex perversions….i wonder how david “poopy diaper” is doing?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pmShhhh! Torm doesn’t know that Republicans despise him.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm82 Spencer’s mom
Same here, db.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pmhow repugnantscums serve their country. they don’t
September 21st, 2010 at 4:08 pmStar having grown up here I assume they have access to a multitude of media sources and are well informed about issues facing their community. Did you do the cooking?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:08 pmthe united states is and always has been a secular nation. your religious beliefs don’t mean shit in the eyes of the law…
September 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pmMarie @ 64 says:
Repugs have used procedural moves to require sixty votes on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT COMES BEFORE THE SENATE — this was no exception.
They don’t like government…they say. Makes you wonder why they run for office and fight so hard for what they want the government to do for them.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pmSo Star how are you going to share the news with this large extended family?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pmOhNoNotAnotherScreenName says:
Oh, what a huge load of crap that is…
Do you think that 22 of the 26 NATO member states (including Russia, The UK, and France) do their service members a disservice by allowing everyone to serve their countries openly?
Do you think, at all?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm94 Jeffy
Tell us again about your service to the country.
What? What’s that, Jeffy?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pmMainstream gay behavior by punishing those whose faiths reject it.
Christians and Muslims will no longer be allowed to serve?
Really?
Idiot.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pmOhNo, let’s do a little math, shall we?
Approx. 75% of Americans support the full repeal of DADT.
You contend that Muslims and Christians don’t support the repeals.
Therefore, you must assume that 75% of Americans claim to be neither Christian nor Muslim.
So much for that “Christian Nation” nonsense!
PEACE
September 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pmMainstream gay behavior by punishing those whose faiths reject it.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm—-
It is a secular nation last I checked.
Wait a minute who is being punished and how?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm“Mainstream gay behavior by punishing those whose faiths reject it.”
i don’t recall churches being closed down or taxed for their anti-gay behavior.
how are they “punished”?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pmThe lesson here for me?
Kill the filibuster…
September 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pmfunny thing is, most of the gay men i know could buy four or five teabaggin filth and their mobile homes and it wouldn’t even dent their yearly income
September 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pmPhew, fixing troll lies is a full time job around here. Just remember the the more they come and lie the more scared they are!
September 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pmThe reason homophobic Republicans are so comfortable with DADT is because so many of them are closeted homosexuals. Republicans give each other a wink and a nod, as long as they stay in the closet.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pmWithout fear, anger, hate, bigotry, and illiteracy the rightwing would have nothing.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pmI never said this was simple hooda.
If it were any thing else other than basic rights I probably wouldn’t even care .
But it is about basic right for me and a quandary , which I’m sure you can appreciate. I can see little choice in my approach to screaming foul from the rooftops at the top of my lungs .This began with Bush and to my great dismay looks as though it will continue long into the future despite the promises that were made on the campaign trail.
The fact that we are held hostage to this system is undeniable but as how to proceed in the face of such an assault on our laws is very complicated isn’t it .
That doesn’t make me insincere or egotistical and bad manners are still bad manners .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pmIOKIYAR
September 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pmNo but grandma cooks some killer mole .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pmlast time i checked, freddy phelps and his daughter/wife are still preaching their anti-gay rhetoric at the funeral of soldiers…how exactly are they being punished for their beliefs?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pmHow does one define “gay behavior”? Because once a list is drawn up, I’d bet that there are very few heteros who could pass the test at 100%.
FundiGelicals see ‘gay’ everywhere.
PEACE
September 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pmpersonally, spencer’s mom,
September 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pmi find the whole straight dude getting their eyebrows waxed so they look like drag queens “gay behavior”
So anti-gay bigots will no longer be enlisting, many of the fundamentalist Christians? I knew there was another upside to repealing DADT. We keep the holy roller Rapturites away from the military. I know I’ll breath easier knowing we won’t have the Kill-for-Jesus brigade around anymore.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pmStar my concern is that by suggesting these folks get their news and hopes from you and are inable to access national events in a nation you suggest many of them grew up in you seem to inadvertently be reinforcing the idea that there might be some ego stuff at play here
September 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pmmethinks ohnoanothertrollpunk can’t think of one way religious organizations are being “punished”
seems to me they’re the ones inflicting the punishment.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm“Why would Muslims and Christians embrace DADT if their faiths reject the consequences of repealing it?”
all of a suddent the teabagging fitlh is worried about the muslim’s faith. whatever happened to “the victory mosque” talkingpoint, turdbag?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:21 pmOh stop with the psycho babble dude , I’m really in no mood for it .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:22 pmWhy would Muslims and Christians embrace DADT if their faiths reject the consequences of repealing it?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:22 pm— why does it matter. Religions don’t make the rules
maybe you should take that nap Robert
September 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pmWhew, good thing Christianity has that whole judge not lest ye be judged thing going for it. Who knew doG needed so many little elves running about damning people for him? Maybe he’s too busy watching sparrows.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pmWhat type of mole?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pm112 Freeman
You said you were leaving or something to that effect?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:24 pmA Connecticut Yankee, I believe that’s called “manscaping”! Very metrosexual, but done by many straight men.
That’s what I’m saying – once the list is drawn up, there are very few straight folks who could score 100% on the Straight-O-Meter.
PEACE
September 21st, 2010 at 4:24 pm“People of faith participate in such decision-making and people of faith have rights”
as do gays in this secular nation
September 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pmtroooooolllllyyyyyyyy,
September 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pmhow exactly are people of faith being punished here?
Why would Muslims and Christians embrace DADT if their faiths reject the consequences of repealing it?
I know many Christians whose faith does not reject the consequences of repealing DADT.
You know who didn’t have a problem with homosexuality and the military?
Jesus.
In fact, he blessed the Centurion and his ‘pais,’ didn’t he?
Yes, he did.
Besides, doesn’t the military have some kind of rule about following orders?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:28 pmtyranny of the minority.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:28 pmPeople of faith have the right to decide what they want to believe. They don’t have the right to decide how others believe. Even your own religion tells you that much.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:28 pmFunny, back in December 2008, after Pres. Obama was elected and the Dems had a big majority, they could have ended the filibuster by simply changing the Senate rules in January 2009 by a simple majority vote. Did they bother to get rid of the filibuster so that they could easily pass some progressive legislation? Well, not exactly… actually, no. Obama and the Senate Dems much preferred to keep the filibuster in place so that they could conveniently blame the Republicans for a lack of progressive legislation being passed… See how the two corporate-imperialist-royalist Parties work together to keep corporatism, imperialism and royalism (tyranny) in place?
Obama campaigned as a progressive, but once he took office, he changed into a corporatist… Was this the “change” that he promised us?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pmYou know how disrespectful you are friend .
I offered to say hello on the east coast and you made a veiled reference to greeting me with a base ball bat if I recall correctly .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pmWill never happen.
Happened in the House… way back in 1890.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:29 pmThey didn’t ask me but I’m going to tell something to the armchair Dems of all ages. If you don’t get out there and vote against these uncontrolled slugs, we’ll all be heading back to the Bush years.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:30 pmWake up before it’s too late!
I detest baseball. I am afraid you might be mistaken unless you are talking to someone else. I think it would be a gas to have a beer in Emmaus.I would look forward to it…
September 21st, 2010 at 4:32 pmMaybe a Yuengling porter.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:32 pmWe are still in the bush years as regards the damage done to our basic rights ljm ,in fact in many respects it’s grown even worse under a democratically controlled congress with a democratic president .
I agree with what most of what the posters here believe about the republicans being worse but fail to see how ignoring the issues I am bringing up will fix this .
I don’t care if they cheat and steal a litle but my children have to live in this country when I’m gone !
September 21st, 2010 at 4:36 pmHer GaGa-ness will not be pleased.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:38 pmI have some weeding to do and a bike that is crying out to go some miles so will will have to plan that beer another day. I honestly think it isn’t your message that is the issue and I know we have all had this discussion many times. Perhaps next time you might reflect upon the feedback offered to you by your community
cheers and best-
September 21st, 2010 at 4:40 pmDrop a line at my blog and I’ll buy you a beer in emmaus .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:41 pmI’ll be there in a few days for two weeks .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:45 pmHey, I know Emmaus (pronounced E-mouse)
(sorry to butt in…)
PEACE
September 21st, 2010 at 4:47 pmtwo weeks in Emmaus? Sorry man. You are right about life just sucking sometimes. Passing through is one thing two weeks is like enhanced torture. I’ll see what I can do. Screw the weeds I am going for that ride
September 21st, 2010 at 4:48 pm“Say once” Spencer’s Mom, “say”….
September 21st, 2010 at 4:50 pmThe offers on for you too mom , should you care to join us .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:52 pmHappened in the House… way back in 1890.
What House ??? The house of Representatives is Majority Rules…they don’t have a Filibuster.
The cloture rule originally required a supermajority of two-thirds of all senators “present and voting” to be considered filibuster-proof.
the Senate tried eleven times between 1927 and 1962 to invoke cloture but failed each time. Filibuster was particularly heavily used by Democratic Senators from Southern states to block civil rights legislation.
In 1975, the Democratic Senate majority, having achieved a net gain of four seats in the 1974 Senate elections to a strength of 61 (with an additional Independent caucusing with them for a total of 62), reduced the necessary supermajority to three-fifths (60 out of 100).
So the RULES CAN BE CHANGED.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:53 pmBela and Tom , the invitation is always open for a visit here in Goldendale .
I have a nice spot in the woods ,with great views of Mt adams and mt Hood ,I don’t get out to nearly often enough that has remarkable hiking and several story tall waterfalls on the adjoining wildlidfe area and state land about ten miles up from the town of Klickitat .
Come take a hike any time , I’d love to show you the place .
September 21st, 2010 at 4:53 pmfreeman says:
Thanks, freeman. I appreciate it.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:57 pmI was just down in Hood River, gorgeous weather and views…
Killer , did you go home on 97 and see all the wind turbines that grew up over the last few years ? Miles of them .
September 21st, 2010 at 5:01 pmNope, but I was just in MN and was impressed with all the new turbines outside the twin cities…
September 21st, 2010 at 5:10 pmDADT and the DREAM ACT should be stand alone bills and not part of a defense bill.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:11 pmRepublicans are just spoiled children having tantrums, with no idea why– they just follow their fellow tantrum-throwers. Republicans are pathetic, anti-American sheep, with absolutely no ideas or thoughts of their own. If it weren’t for Fox, Limbaugh, Rove, Palin, & Beck, they wouldn’t know what to say or think.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:13 pmRemember when the Repubs would add amendments to defense spending, and when Democrats would vote against THE AMENDMENT, they’l falsely protray them as anti-military?
Time to turn the tables!
Why are REPUBLICANS anti-military?????
September 21st, 2010 at 5:30 pmRepugs hate the military and the people that serve.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:38 pmI understand why Reid changes his vote to a negative in order to revive a failed motion, but what would happen to the DoD if he did not and the vote stood?
September 21st, 2010 at 5:39 pmSo whatever happened to “support our troops”? Guess loyalty to the troops was never anything more than a Chinese manufactured plastic yellow magnet placed on cars. When it came time to show real support, the Republicans turned their backs on our troops.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:46 pmNote to Dems: Don’t change, don’t knuckle under to the fascisti in the Senate. Stand tall. Let the RepublicaiNos take full blame for no more defense appropriations. STAND YOUR GROUND!!
September 21st, 2010 at 5:48 pmI’m surprised John McCain didn’t get on a white horse and gallop through the Senate chamber proclaiming “The Gays are coming, the Gays are coming!”.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:57 pmIf Reid adds the Dream Act, a controversial bill to the Defense Authorization Bill, who’s really responsible for the bill failing to pass?
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It is important to note that senators representing a relatively small minority of the American population sustained a filibuster of a bill despite the fact that it contained very popular provisions. According to polling, 70 percent of Americans support the DREAM Act and 75 percent of Americans support fully repealing DADT. The 42 senators who filibustered the bill, on the other hand, represent only 36 percent of the American population. Thanks to senate procedure, a small minority can easily obstruct the will of the vast majority of the public
You mean kind of like when the majority of Americans polled wanted to start over on Healthcare Reform and NOT PASS the HCB that went through. You mean that majority.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 pmdasm says:
Republicans are just spoiled children having tantrums, with no idea why– they just follow their fellow tantrum-throwers. Republicans are pathetic, anti-American sheep, with absolutely no ideas or thoughts of their own. If it weren’t for Fox, Limbaugh, Rove, Palin, & Beck, they wouldn’t know what to say or think.
Since I don’t listen to any of the 5 you just spoke of and can form my own thoughts and opinions I guess that makes your entire statement above fairly ignorant
September 21st, 2010 at 9:12 pm#159 – kdawg says:
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“You mean kind of like when the majority of Americans polled wanted to start over on Healthcare Reform and NOT PASS the HCB that went through. You mean that majority.”
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 pm
OR the same majority that wanted to end the Iraqi & Afghanistan occupation in 2006! THAT Majority!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pmSomeone needs to use a 2nd Amendment remedy on Lincoln, where are the TPartiers when you need them!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:11 pmThey shouldn’t have put the DREAM act shit in there. I’ve always been against tacking unrelated shit to a bill. I hated it when Republicans did it. Lets just keep it real now.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:37 pmLet’s get it right…the Republicants all voted to filibuster, but it was the Democrats who made it a reality. Maybe Mr. Obama just wanted Blanche to cover for him so he didn’t have to kill it. Payback for saving her in the primary (though it looks like she’s going to let a Senate seat go to a real Republicant in November)
September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 pm#164 – J.Falejczyk says:
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“Let’s get it right…the Republicants all voted to filibuster, but it was the Democrats who made it a reality. Maybe Mr. Obama just wanted Blanche to cover for him so he didn’t have to kill it. Payback for saving her in the primary (though it looks like she’s going to let a Senate seat go to a real Republicant in November)”
September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Actually, if NO Democrats voted against cloture then the bill could not be revived for another vote as-is. It’s a wierd rule that should’ve been done away with years ago.
Looking forward to seeing the Republicans remain the minority party come this Nov 3rd!
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