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I agree with Ron Paul this time

by: herding old cats

Mon Aug 23, 2010 at 21:45:02 PM CDT


I don't, most of the time.  But maybe twice a day, like a stopped clock, Ron Paul and I inhabit common ground.

Now, I'm not saying Ron Paul is a stopped clock.  Neither, I hope, am I.  But here's the two issues where we line up:

1. Fundamental Human Rights are not subject to vote:

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

 

2. The Empire lobby needs an enemy in the Middle East, and Islam fits the bill:

 

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

No Empire.  No state promotion or oppression of religion.

This liberal can stand with Ron Paul here.

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yeah but he is responsible for breeding (3.00 / 1)
Rand Paul. can't give him too much credit for anything.  

Agreed, but on these two things I can stand with him. (0.00 / 0)


"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

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Each human being is an individual (4.00 / 2)

And should be judged as such.  If you have a fault, it is a tendency to judge people by their relationship with others.  I know quite a few people whose kids have not turned out well.  It isn't always their fault.

Not to say I agree with Ron Paul about much, but now and then the man takes a principled stand.  That is noteworthy and laudable.



Work harder and work smarter!

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Great minds and all that stuff (4.00 / 3)
I was just about to post a link to Ron Paul's statement. I have never been a Ron Paul fan, but I appreciated his statement when I read it earlier today. I wish more leaders (political, media, religious) would respond on many issues with the same level of honesty - blunt but clear.

I think my favorite line was "This is all about hate and Islamaphobia."

Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle. (Thomas Jefferson)


I'm not a Ron Paul fan either (4.00 / 2)
But I agree with the points he made about the agenda of the opposition to the Islamic center ( I refuse to call it the ground zero mosque, it's not a mosque and it isn't at ground zero.)

"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

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i'm glad he said what he said (0.00 / 0)
but Ron Paul is still a little too kooky for me 90% of the time.

he's much more a true libertarian than his wacko son.  


Holy shit. He actually said something that doesn't sound completely off the wall.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

Scary, isn't it? (4.00 / 2)
It's also a lesson about putting people in boxes and forgetting about them.  Everyone is an individual, and opinions vary.  Just because you disagree with someone 90% of the time doesn't mean you can't agree and ally with him or her on the remaining 10%, and you can often get a surprising amount accomplished on that common ground because the coalition scares the heck out of the usual suspects.

Work harder and work smarter!

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there are a couple of issues where he is dead on (0.00 / 0)
Iraq was another.

he's got a lot of wild ideas though like abolishing U.S Department of Ed. But I don't think he's a fear monger.

He certainly doesn't scare me as much as his son who if he wins the Kentucky U.S. Senate race is going to have a platform for a lot of ideas built on hate and fear.  


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Score one for Ron Paul (4.00 / 2)

"The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?"

 Inquiring minds, want to know.



"From my standpoint, I think numbers, almost are distracting!" - Donald Rumsfeld

Told you so? (4.00 / 2)

See?  Us Libertarians aren't as bass ackward as folks seem to think we are-- at least those of us who stick to our party platform.  Granted, I'm not for getting rid of the Fed or any of those other rather extreme Libertarian positions, but for the most part we can be reasonable.

Your #1 point, by the way, is exactly the same argument (though not necessarily in the same wording) made by many Libertarians on the party website regarding Proposition 8-- before the exact same wording was used to overturn it in court.

Oh, and be wary...  When I was looking up the Libertarian comments on the issue, I came across a term that I had previously missed.  "GOP Libertarian" and "Libertarian Republican" seem to be out there quite a bit now, and I can assure you that it's an oxymoron.



You made a score. (0.00 / 0)

 You kicked a field goal. But it ain't over.

 Ask 99% of the GOP/TP about climate change and doing the proper things to curb it and they will lie to your face.

 Ask them WHAT is the immigration plan and they will say "DUH!"

 Get them to straighten up and fly right on those issues and get them on board with putting Cheney, Rummy and Karl Rove in jail where they belong and then we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya!



"From my standpoint, I think numbers, almost are distracting!" - Donald Rumsfeld

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Those particular issues... (0.00 / 0)

Actually, there are some clearly defined party platforms on both issues.  Regarding the environment:

http://www.lp.org/issues/environment

And regarding immigration:

http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

Keep in mind, though, that these are not necessarily my personal positions on these issues.



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Didn't realize you were talking about GOP. (0.00 / 0)
Just re-read your post...  Keep in mind that the GOP is so not the Libertarian Party, though Ron Paul was the LP candidate for president at one point.

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