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A Plan B For Afghanistan

First Posted: 08-18-10 02:27 PM   |   Updated: 08-18-10 03:16 PM

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There's another way forward in Afghanistan.

Call it Plan B.

An ad hoc group of disillusioned foreign policy experts is offering President Obama a serious, well thought-out alternative to his current failing strategy there.

Their Plan B entails a dramatic reduction in the American troop presence, a mission focused on the minimal Al Qaeda threat rather than on trying to defeat the Taliban, and a peace process that leads to power-sharing.

"[T]he way forward acknowledges the manifold limitations of a military solution in a region where our interests lie in political stability," says the forthcoming report from the Afghanistan Study Group. The group of 40 scholars, former officials and activists was assembled by Steve Clemons of the New America Foundation.

"The United States should by no means abandon Afghanistan, but it is time to abandon the current strategy that is not working," the report concludes. "Trying to pacify Afghanistan by force of arms will not work, and a costly military campaign there is more likely to jeopardize America's vital security interests than to protect them. The Study Group believes that the United States should pursue more modest goals that are both consistent with America's true interests and far more likely to succeed."

Patrick Cronin, a South Asian expert at the Center for a New American Security and a member of the study group, calls the report an antidote to mission creep.

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"There's no significant Al Qaeda presence in Afghanistan today, so the original purpose has largely dissipated," Cronin told the Huffington Post. By contrast, he said, American interests do not require the military defeat of the Taliban. Worse than that, "this strategy is actually being counterproductive for our interests."

Paul R. Pillar, a Georgetown University professor who formerly served as the CIA's chief intelligence analyst for the Middle East, wrote in an email to the Huffington Post: "For me, the most important part of this exercise is explicit recognition that: (1) there is a disconnect between waging a counterinsurgency in Afghanistan and the professed goal of keeping Americans safe from terrorism; and (2) the costs to the United States of this war are all out of proportion to what is at stake in Afghanistan and how it affects U.S. interests."

"The report's main argument is that U.S. Interests in Central Asia are limited, and do not justify the costly and open-ended commitment in which we are currently engaged," Stephen M. Walt, a Harvard international relations professor and a group member, e-mailed HuffPost.

"Instead of trying to build a unified central state in Afghanistan -- a task for which the United States and its allies are unqualified -- the United States and its partners should reduce their military footprint, focus on devolving power to local leaders and institutions, and concentrate on economic development. Our combat and intelligence effort should focus on the small number of Al Qaeda members remaining in Afghanistan or northwest Pakistan."

Plan B has five major points:

1. Emphasize power-sharing and political inclusion. The U.S. should fast-track a peace process designed to decentralize power within Afghanistan and encourage a power-sharing balance among the principal parties.


2. Downsize and eventually end military operations in southern Afghanistan, and reduce the U.S. military footprint. The U.S. should draw down its military presence, which radicalizes many Pashtuns and is an important aid to Taliban recruitment.

3. Focus security efforts on Al Qaeda and Domestic Security. Special forces, intelligence assets, and other U.S. capabilities should continue to seek out and target known Al Qaeda cells in the region and be ready to go after them should they attempt to relocate elsewhere or build new training facilities. In addition, part of the savings from our drawdown should be reallocated to bolster U.S. domestic security efforts and to track nuclear weapons globally.

4. Encourage economic development. Because destitute states can become incubators for terrorism, drug and human trafficking, and other illicit activities, efforts at reconciliation should be paired with an internationally-led effort to develop Afghanistan's economy.

5. Engage regional and global stakeholders in a diplomatic effort designed to guarantee Afghan neutrality and foster regional stability. Despite their considerable differences, neighboring states such as India, Pakistan, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia share a common interest in preventing Afghanistan from being dominated by any single power or being a permanently failed state that exports instability to others.

Specifically, the report urges Obama to stick to his pledge to begin withdrawing U.S. troops in July 2011 -- or earlier. There will soon be 100,000 American troops in Afghanistan; the report calls for that number to decrease to 68,000 troops by October 2011, and 30,000 by July 2012.

Among the report's central arguments:

• Al Qaeda sympathizers are now present in many locations globally, and defeating the Taliban will have little effect on Al Qaeda's global reach. The ongoing threat from Al Qaeda is better met via specific counter-terrorism measures, a reduced U.S. military "footprint" in the Islamic world, and diplomatic efforts to improve America's overall image and undermine international support for militant extremism.


• Given our present economic circumstances, reducing the staggering costs of the Afghan war is an urgent priority. Maintaining the long-term health of the U.S. economy is just as important to American strength and security as protecting U.S. soil from enemy (including terrorist) attacks.

• The continuation of an ambitious U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan will likely work against U.S. interests. A large U.S. presence fosters local (especially Pashtun) resentment and aids Taliban recruiting. It also fosters dependence on the part of our Afghan partners and encourages loser cooperation among a disparate array of extremist groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan alike.

So what happens next? "I hope the report helps foster a more open and informed debate about our various efforts there, and to consider better ways to secure core U.S. Interests," Walt wrote.

But he has no illusions about the pressures to keep going. "It is almost always easier to get into a war than it is to get out, and the main obstacle to either strategic innovation or retrenchment is politics back home. The Obama administration doesn't want to leave until it can claim some sort of victory, and neither does the U.S. military. Even if prospects for success are slim, therefore, it will be difficult for Obama and his advisors to chart a radically different course."


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loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 1

In my 6-Part comment of 7:41 PM, I wrote (in Part Six):

“Since 2003, we squandered at least $6.5 trillion on ILLEGAL Afghan, Iraq, and Pakistan invasions — squandered partly by sapping the Social Security Trust Fund. Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions' costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit. Our citizenry's welfare would be the world's highest - not that of a third world nation, as it is now.”

This comment will explain (a) the $6.5 trillion war-cost and (b) the effect of spending $2 trillion on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs. Respecting matter (b), this comment will focus on Social Security but consider also other programs, too.

The Social Security Trust Fund has been sufficient to finance Social Security indefinitely, DESPITE the huge retirement-bulge Baby Boomers will create. But government has stolen the Fund to finance pet programs and annual deficits. Because the Wall-Street-and-neocon-misled masses resist tax increases (even if only felt by the rich), the Fund’s replenishing seems unlikely.

CONTINUED WITH PART 2
RW11   47 minutes ago (11:30 PM)
I note, with immense satisfaction, that you are now arguing that:

"Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions’ costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit".

I note, also with immense satisfaction, that you are no longer arguing that:

"Had we not invaded Afghanistan, Iraq (also ILLEGALLY), and Pakistan (also ILLEGALLY), but spent just 1/4 of the more than $6.5 trillion squandered there on UNIVERSAL healthcare, REAL education-reform, infrastructure, clean energy, medical and other vital research, and economic stimulus, the treasury would hold a HUGE SURPLUS".

Although you have not been man enough to resond to my recent posts, the fact that you have changed your talking points is an admittance that I was right and you were wrong.

Adieu.
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 2

But the Social Security Fund would be sufficient had the government not stolen form the Fund to finance pet objectives, including ILLEGAL invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. If we stop financing ILLEGAL wars and instead allocate would-be war-spending to replenishing the Fund, the Fund would be sufficient again.

Taxpayers have not resisted financing the three illegal wars. Why would they resist having their same tax money pay instead for replenishing THEIR Social Security fund?

ILLEGAL wars? In my 6-Part comment of 7:41 PM today, 19 August, I explained why the our Afghan war is illegal.

Like our Afghanistan invasion, our Iraq invasion did not relate to any UN Resolution and was not self-defense. So, it, too, was and is ILLEGAL.

50,000 US troops will remain in Iraq, INDEFINITELY. They will “defend themselves” if “attacked” or “targeted” and take offensive action if the US puppet Iraq government requests. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/201081818840122963.html

So, this week’s “complete” withdraw is far from complete: “attacked” and “targeted” are highly ambiguous (and could “justify” ILLEGAL re-invasion); the US can muscle Iraq to request US troop offensive action.

Our Pakistan invasions are tangents of our ILLEGAL Afghan invasion — not acts of legal “self-defense” or invited by Pakistan. So they are ILLEGAL. They may seek to protect our Afghan invasion, but, being ILLEGAL, our Afghan invasion cannot be an object of legal “self-defense.”

CONTINUED WITH PART 3
RW11   46 minutes ago (11:30 PM)
I note, with immense satisfaction, that you are now arguing that:

"Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions’ costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit".

I note, also with immense satisfaction, that you are no longer arguing that:

"Had we not invaded Afghanistan, Iraq (also ILLEGALLY), and Pakistan (also ILLEGALLY), but spent just 1/4 of the more than $6.5 trillion squandered there on UNIVERSAL healthcare, REAL education-reform, infrastructure, clean energy, medical and other vital research, and economic stimulus, the treasury would hold a HUGE SURPLUS".

Although you have not been man enough to resond to my recent posts, the fact that you have changed your talking points is an admittance that I was right and you were wrong.

Adieu.
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 3

THE COST OF THE WARS — the TRUE, TOTAL, DIRECT AND INDIRECT COST?

The cost is far greater than $6.5 trillion — NOT the $1 trillion the government claims. And THAT SQUANDERING explains the deficit.

Greater than $6.5 trillion?

In 2008, Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize winning economist, tendered some estimates of the costs of the Iraq war. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/28/iraq.afghanistan

First just two of Stiglitz’s very conservative estimates of the true DIRECT costs of ONLY the Iraq war:

“$3 trillion
A conservative estimate of the true [DIRECT] cost [other than interest] — to America alone — of Bush's Iraq adventure.

“$1 trillion
The interest America will have paid by 2017 on the money borrowed to finance the war.”

Adjust the interest figure to find interest paid till end of 2010:

2003 to 2017 = 14 years

2003 to 2011 = 8 years

8/14 = 57%

57% x $1 trillion = $0.57 trillion

Adjust the $3 trillion Direct cost other than interest to account for time from 2008 through 2010:

2003 to 2011 = 8 years

2003 to 2008 = 5 years

8/5 x $3 trillion = $4.8 trillion

$0.57 trillion interest + $4.8 trillion other DIRECT cost other than interest = $5.37 trillion.

CONTINUED WITH PART 4
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 4

I acknowledge that the 2008 through 2010 direct cost other than interest might need adjustment that accounts for spending’s deviating from what it was from 2003 to 2008. But, the adjustment would push the cost figure up, because the US had ADDED troops in 2007 and the troop addition did not cut violence appreciably and even increased it eventually. So, I shall not bother to render an adjustment.

So, per Stiglitz’s accounting, had we not invaded Iraq, we would have saved $5.37 trillion by 2011. Subtract $5.37 trillion from the $1.4 trillion deficit the government asserts and find a SURPLUS of $3.97 trillion.

Invest say 1/6 of 1/4 of $5.37 trillion (or $0.22 trillion) in the Social Security Trust Fund. The Fund would be solvent and, with interest drawn on Treasury bonds, grow to the needed size.

See also http://nationalpriorities.org/auxiliary/costofwar/cost_of_war_afghanistan.pdf [apparently published or completed in April 2009] again respecting the Iraq war’s cost. In that piece, Stiglitz calculates that as of April 2009, the past, current, and projected DIRECT costs totaled $3.1831 trillion.

“• The Iraq War has cost $656.1 billion in budgetary costs so far, with another $52.7 billion pending as part of the FY 2009 war supplemental

“• At least $2 trillion in future budgetary costs (including Veterans’ benefits) will be spent”

CONTINUED WITH PART 5
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 5

See also
http://threetrilliondollarwar.org/2010/08/06/iraq-troops-go-home-on-schedule-but-costs-of-iraq-war-continue/
[estimates $3+ trillion Iraq-war DIRECT costs if troops leave before 2012]

But the preceding calculations account only DIRECT costs — NO INDIRECT costs, just ONE being nonmilitary domestic costs of US military petroleum-use associated with the wars.

Since 2001, the US military has been the world’s greatest petroleum-user — using petroleum at a per capita rate greater than that of China and even all of Africa.
http://energybulletin.net/node/13199
http://newlaunches.com/archives/top_5_facts_on_us_military_oil_consumption.php
http://peak-oil-news.info/military-oil-usage-statistics/
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-transport/planet-biggest-gas-guzzler.html

The INDIRECT effects are not just gasoline-price-hikes, but, E.G., (a) lost opportunities, (b) activity-choice-limitations, (c) supply-cuts/price-increases of products that must be truck/plane/train/boat transported for marketing/use, (d) unemployment increases and business failures/cuts caused by oil-product supply-cuts/price-hikes. Many other costs occur. All reduce tax revenues.

If just that indirect cost were merely halved, social welfare and the economy would heighten markedly, and, thence, tax revenues would increase dramatically. So, too, the deficit would decrease by many billions.

CONTINUED WITH PART 6
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 6

Add JUST deduction of the SPURIOUS Congressional Research Service [“CRS”] accounting of DIRECT OUTLAYS of the AFGHAN war, and find greater SURPLUS. See, E.G., http://costofwar.com/ which, using CRS accounting to calculate Afghan war DIRECT OUTLAY (excluding even interest & other non-outlay DIRECT costs), states a figure of $325+ billion.

Another analysis observes:

“The War in Afghanistan has cost U.S. Tax payers $185.1 billion through FY 2009, and the projected costs are likely to total MORE THAN HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS when future occupation and veteran’s benefits are taken into account. This DOES NOT INCLUDE INTEREST ON THAT MONEY.”

http://gobnf.org/i/ra/economic_costs.pdf [My emphases.]

Assume the $0.5 trillion that source estimates. Assume the 33.3% interest Stiglitz applies to the Iraq war debt. Then, as of 2009, the Afghan invasion debt interest was $0.5 trillion x 0.333 = $0.1665 trillion. Forget 2010 and 2011 interest, just to simplify. Then, as of 2009, the Afghan war’s DIRECT and DIRECT PROJECTED cost was $0.6665 trillion.

Add that cost to the Iraq war cost I calculated on the premises Stiglitz supplied. The total is $6.0365 trillion, IF the calculation accounts the Iraq war’s DIRECT costs through 2010 but accounts the Afghan war’s cost only as of 2009.

CONTINUED WITH PART 7
loupbouc   3 hours ago (9:14 PM)
PART 7

My figure — $6.5 trillion — assumes only a 2010 additional direct outlay of a bit more than $46 billion. Already, Congress has appropriated markedly more than that ($46 billion) amount in 2010. My figure DOES NOT include an estimate of any INDIRECT costs or interest accumulated in 2010. Surely the INDIRECT costs will at least equal the DIRECT costs (of at least $6.5 trillion).

Note also that my figures DO NOT include ANY accounting of the cost of US drone invasions of Pakistan.

But see
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=16646&c;ontext=va
which presents, for the Iraq and Afghan wars (but NOT the PAKISTAN INVASIONS), a DIRECT cost figure of $3.076 trillion.

Note, however: Even if that figure were correct and complete, it would be about three times the deficit calculated this year (2010) and about half the 2003-2010 total deficit.

END
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART ONE

[*** This is a 6-Part comment. ***]

The critical matter is NOT

(a) whether the invasion is succeeding, or will or can succeed, in some dreamy broad way seeking an ineffable goal of delusional “victory”

(b) whether the US ought abandon a goal of some general “victory” and substitute narrow objectives of fighting al Qaeda and establishing Afghan domestic Power-sharing and political inclusion” and economic development

(c) whether the invasion must continue to prevent Afghanistan's suffering one harm or another because the US leaves "too soon"

(d) whether US “interests” indicate adjusting its Afghan invasion/occupation this way or that

The CRITICAL matters are: The US's Afghanistan invasion/occupation is ILLEGAL and CRIMINAL; and it is destroying our economy and depriving our People of the welfare our government owes.

Obama commits CRIME with each death, maiming, displacement, or property-damage the US causes.

The crimes — mass murder, mass criminal mayhem, mass displacement, mass property-damage — are clear, indefensible.

They are not just international law crimes, but also US federal felonies: US law adopts the pertinent international law. Even domestic US law makes such acts crimes despite they manifest abroad. See
http://www.usalone.com/jaffee_on_impeachment2.htm
AND see US Constitution Article VI (making our treaties & international accords the law of the land)
AND see federal legislation like the War Crimes Act and 18 US Code § 1958.

CONTINUED WITH PART TWO
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART TWO OF SIX

If Obama pursued “Plan B,” still US presence would be ILLEGAL. Established and continued by ILLEGAL invasion, the US PRESENCE, itself, is ILLEGAL, as is any US-invasion-backed US presence’s tampering with Afghan politics, economy, or social order. The US’s “interests” cannot convert an ILLEGAL invasion and occupation into a legal one; only UN-Charter-defined “self-defense” or UN resolution can legalize invasion and consequent occupation; otherwise, whatever the motivating interests, invasion is an illegal “act of aggression.”

The US’s Afghanistan invasion/occupation is ILLEGAL. Whatever new form it may assume, the invasion/occupation will continue to be ILLEGAL.

The UN Charter says all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means; no state can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the Council passed Resolutions 1368 & 1373, which condemned the 9/11 attacks; but neither authorized use of military force in Afghanistan.

Our Afghanistan invasion was not self-defense per article 51 of the Charter. The 9/11 attacks were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" wrought by another nation, national government, or national military. Afghanistan did not attack the US. The Montreal protocol provides that terrorist attacks are criminal acts to be treated by domestic law-enforcement, not by military action.

CONTINUED WITH PART THREE
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART THREE

Of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists, 15 were Saudis. None was Afghan. The attacks did not originate in Afghanistan or use Afghan land or airspace.

Perhaps bin Laden conceived 9/11 when he was in Afghanistan. But his thoughts did not equal action or conspiracy of the Afghan government.

CIA counter-terrorism chief Paul Pillar wrote [Washington Post (9/16/09)]: "The preparations most important to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks took place not in training camps in Afghanistan but, rather, in apartments in Germany, hotel rooms in Spain and flight schools in the United States." http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/15/AR2009091502977.html

After 9/11, the US did not face imminent threat of armed attack wrought by Afghanistan. Just so, Bush waited three weeks before starting to bomb Afghanistan. His casus belli was just that Afghanistan’s government would not turn over bin Laden, not that it threatened attacking the US. But the UN-Charter-required self-defense NECESSITY must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation."

Afghanistan's Taliban government NEVER threatened the US.

CONTINUED WITH PART FOUR
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART FOUR

After 9/11, the US did not face imminent threat of armed attack wrought by Afghanistan. Just so, Bush waited three weeks before starting to bomb Afghanistan. His casus belli was just that Afghanistan’s government would not turn over bin Laden, not that it threatened attacking the US. But the UN-Charter-required self-defense NECESSITY must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation."

The Taliban were the legitimate leaders of a sovereign nation that NEVER threatened the US.

Al Qaeda may be a terrorist organization guilty of crimes triable by the International Criminal Court or a US court. Its leadership may have been present in Afghanistan when 9/11 occurred. But the Afghan government did not violate international law by refusing to render bin Laden & his cronies to the US.

Many nations refuse to yield to the US persons present in those other nations. The US would violate international law if it invaded Switzerland to apprehend Roman Polanski. Just so, the US violated international law by invading Afghanistan to get bin Laden.

[An damning side note: The Taliban said it would render bin Laden if Bush supplied real evidence that bin Laden was complicit in 9/11. Bush supplied zero evidence. Then the Taliban offered to extradite bin Laden to a neutral nation for trial there. Bush rejected the offer.]

CONTINUED WITH PART FIVE
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART FIVE

Suppose, before 9/11, the Taliban government asserted that a certain international terrorist organization had set up headquarters in Washington DC and that the organization planned a terrorist attack executed against Kabul. The Taliban government demanded the US render the organization's leaders. The US refused, asserting sovereignty. The Taliban invaded the US to apprehend the organization's leaders. The invading force toppled our government.

The US does not have a defense in the Afghan government’s “permitting” the US’s presence. The Afghan government is a US installation achieved by the US’s illegal invasion. With illegal invasion, the US ousted Afghanistan’s legitimate government. The US stays because it wants, not by permission.

Last year, US puppet Karzai stole re-election by blatant, massive fraud. See, E.G.,
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/02/AR2009100202855.html
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/11/AR2009101100157.html?hpid%3Dtopnews⊂=AR

The Afghan war cannot attain legality from an asserted need of our remaining till we quell violence and chaos and build an integrated, moral, civil society. The US invasion CREATED the chaos, GENERATED the violence, and DISINTEGRATED the society.

International law does not permit one nation to invade another to cure social ills of the invaded nation. So, too, international law does not permit the invading nation to continue its illegal invasion to undo the illegal invasion’s nation-destroying and society-deranging effects.

CONTINUED WITH PART SIX
loupbouc   5 hours ago (7:41 PM)
PART SIX

Obama presses a phony "plight of women" story to justify continuing invasion of Afghanistan.
http://truth-out.org/between-bomb-and-burqa62110
http://huffingtonpost.com/ralph-lopez/the-real-story-behind-emt_b_682284.html

Even if the story were true, US military presence would be illegal. International law does not let one nation invade another to cure the invaded nation’s social ills.

But the US invasion explains much of any plight of Afghan women. So the US argument is absurd (and absurdly contrary to law): “The US can invade another nation illegally then ‘legalize’ the invasion by causing the invaded nation’s women suffering that MIGHT increase if the US leaves.”

The war wastes our treasury and deprives us of the welfare our government was created to provide — but benefits war-profiteers and Big Oil and maintains suicidal hegemony.

Since 2003, we squandered at least $6.5 trillion on ILLEGAL Afghan, Iraq, and Pakistan invasions — squandered partly by sapping the Social Security Trust Fund. Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions’ costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit. Our citizenry’s welfare would be the world’s highest — not that of a third world nation, as it is now.

END OF COMMENT
loupbouc   4 hours ago (7:55 PM)
In a soon-coming sequel comment, I shall explain (and elaborate upon) the $6.5 trillion war-cost figure and how we would achieve surplus despite spending $1.625 trillion on economy-improving/personal-prosperity-enhancing domestic programs.

This post explains my $6 trillion estimate of the total deficit obtaining since 2003.

Re: the year 2010 deficit, which is $1.3 trillion

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/business/2010-08/19/c_13453116.htm

Re: the 2003 through 2009 deficits

The annual government DEFICIT OR SURPLUS refers to the cash difference between government receipts and spending ignoring intra-governmental transfers. The gross debt increases or decreases as a result of this unified budget deficit or surplus. However, there is certain spending (supplemental appropriations) that add to the gross debt but are excluded from the deficit. The TOTAL DEBT HAS INCREASED OVER $500 BILLION EACH YEAR SINCE FISCAL YEAR (FY) 2003, WITH INCREASES OF $1 TRILLION IN FY2008 AND $1.9 TRILLION IN FY2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Note that from 2000 until 2003, the US enjoyed a SURPLUS. See first graph of http://www.cbo.gov/

Those sources indicated a total 2003-2010 deficit of about $6 trillion.

With the commencement of the Iraq invasion, the surplus vanished and a rapidly increasing deficit began. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt AND first graph of http://www.cbo.gov/ .
RW11   51 minutes ago (11:26 PM)
I note, with immense satisfaction, that you are now arguing that:

"Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions’ costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit".

I note, also with immense satisfaction, that you are no longer arguing that:

"Had we not invaded Afghanistan, Iraq (also ILLEGALLY), and Pakistan (also ILLEGALLY), but spent just 1/4 of the more than $6.5 trillion squandered there on UNIVERSAL healthcare, REAL education-reform, infrastructure, clean energy, medical and other vital research, and economic stimulus, the treasury would hold a HUGE SURPLUS".

Although you have not been man enough to resond to my recent posts, the fact that you have changed your talking points is an admittance that I was right and you were wrong.

Adieu.
RW11   46 minutes ago (11:31 PM)
I note, with immense satisfaction, that you are now arguing that:

"Had we NOT INVADED Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan (and not incurred those invasions’ costs), but, instead, spent just $2 trillion (less than 1/3 of $6.5 trillion) on economy-improving/prosperity-enhancing domestic programs, the US budget would enjoy a SURPLUS, not the 2003-2010 $6 trillion total deficit".

I note, also with immense satisfaction, that you are no longer arguing that:

"Had we not invaded Afghanistan, Iraq (also ILLEGALLY), and Pakistan (also ILLEGALLY), but spent just 1/4 of the more than $6.5 trillion squandered there on UNIVERSAL healthcare, REAL education-reform, infrastructure, clean energy, medical and other vital research, and economic stimulus, the treasury would hold a HUGE SURPLUS".

Although you have not been man enough to resond to my recent posts, the fact that you have changed your talking points is an admittance that I was right and you were wrong.

Adieu.
loupbouc   22 minutes ago (11:54 PM)
RW11
11:31 PM, Thursday, 19 August

You claim "immense satisfaction." Hallucinations (yours) satisfy you. I mean hallucinations of the points of texts and of facts and figures and of logic (that last of which you lack, sorely).

Previously I accounted the $1.4 trillion or $1.3 trillion PROJECTED 2010 deficit, for a reason you cannot see (much because you interpolate and disregard, rather than read actual text). This time I accounted, instead, the 2003 -210 actual deficit, because my point changed, not because my previous accounting bore a flaw.

You talk of one's being "man enough" for something. What an ego-weak, childish fool you are.

The matter is mass suffering (of victims of our illegal foreign invasions and of the poor and middle class of the US) and horrendous psychopathic evil (of Bush and Obama and their accomplices in the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches and elsewhere in politics and the military and corporate America). The matter is not your ego (and certainly not your lack of math and statistics acuity).

You were not "right," poor snook. You never grasped the issues or the accountings.

Rant more, much as you feel need. I shall not respond again to any of your texts, because they do not deserve response. My silence shall not premise any inference, except that I dismiss you.
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JMDavis   5 hours ago (7:03 PM)
Question,

Who is selling all the guns and bullets and bombs to the Taliban? Are we doing anything about that? They are reloading their weapons and planting more roadside bombs, so again, where are they getting them? Iran?
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Guytar   2 hours ago (10:11 PM)
Iran has absolutely nothing to do with arming the Taliban.

Weapons and money are coming from the Pakistani military, who have a vested interest in the overthrow of Afghanistan's Karzai government. Karzai is pro-India, and receives a lot of support from them, while Pakistan and India have been locked in their own Cold War for over 60 years.
patches12   10 hours ago (2:20 PM)
This group composed of 40 scholars..??

Dan I'm sure its balanced poltically.. correct??

LOLs...

These "scholars" .. how many of them have been to Afghanistan??

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