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Shelby Tells ThinkProgress: ‘I Basically Agree’ With Boehner’s Metaphor That Financial Crisis Is Like An ‘Ant’

This morning, multiple media outlets including ThinkProgress noted comments made by Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, in which he told the editorial board that financial reform is like “killing an ant with a nuclear weapon.” In his criticism of the scope of banking reform, Boehner appeared to be minimizing the financial crisis, which caused America to lose over 8 million jobs.

This morning, ThinkProgress caught up with Senate Banking Committee ranking member and financial conference member Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) outside of a fundraiser for U.S. Senate candidate Carly Fiorina (R-CA). Asked what he thought about Boehner’s metaphor for the financial crisis and the bill to fix it, Shelby said, “I basically agree with that”:

TP: This morning, it was reported that Minority Leader John Boehner said that financial reform is too broad, it’s basically like using a nuclear weapon on an ant. Do you agree with that kind of sentiment?

SHELBY: Well, I basically agree with that. I voted against it. We could have had a meaningful, substantive bill. There a few good things in it, but it’s a broad reach of power, and you got to ask a question, the real question, ‘are we going to be better off because of this legislation?’ And that’s problematic.

Watch it:

For months, bankers and their lobbyists have coaxed Republicans in both the House and the Senate to fight reform for their industry. At the outset of the legislative process, Shelby told a group of bankers that they could help kill reform if each of them gives $10,000 to Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), who is running for Senate. The fundraiser Shelby attended today for Fiorina was hosted by bank lobbyists, including Charlie Black, who is representing a trade group for financial firms, and Dan Meyer, a lobbyist for Goldman Sachs.

Update In his press briefing today, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Boehner was “opening one’s mouth and removing most of the doubt that you’re completely out of touch with America.” He added, “It demonstrates how out of touch you are currently and it demonstrates exactly the type of mindset that he would bring to leading the House of Representatives.”


154 Responses to “Shelby Tells ThinkProgress: ‘I Basically Agree’ With Boehner’s Metaphor That Financial Crisis Is Like An ‘Ant’”

  1. P.D. says:

    Yeah, The Repugs stick together. They have been screwing the Middle Class for years. Pigs.


  2. zxbe says:

    …‘are we going to be better off because of this legislation?’ And that’s problematic.

    And there is the talking point. Thanks to Scott Brown helping to sabotage the bill, and the rest of the GOP insisting that we water it down, now the GOP just makes this claim.


  3. har5125 says:

    Richard “Dick” Shelby would be one of my heroes if I was an ignorant moronic idiot who just towed the party line and agreed with every stupid idea they stood for.


  4. pete says:

    The ant analogy might not be far off. Since the fire ant arrived in this country we have tried just about everything short of nuclear weapons and haven’t managed to contain or reduce the infestation.


  5. MCMetal says:

    Shelby Tells ThinkProgress: ‘I Basically Agree’ With Boehner’s Metaphor That Financial Crisis Is Like An ‘Ant’

    Well , who would know more about ants than bugs like Shelby and Cry-Baby Boehner ?


  6. Frugalchariot says:

    “Shelby told a group of bankers that they could help kill reform if each of them gives $10,000 to Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), who is running for Senate.”

    Anyone out there still believe that the government of the US is not for sale the the highest bidder(s)?


  7. I boiled the Easter Bunny says:

    He and Klansman Jeff Sessions make me embarrassed to admit I’m from Alabama. PLEASE believe me when I say we’re not all a bunch of redneck, racist, tea-bagging, idiot sheeple, like those two phucktards would have you believe.


  8. paleolib says:

    And if you pay $10,000 to the campaign fund of a Republican senatorial candidate Shelby might even tell you what he would include in a “meaningful, substantive bill” to defeat this “ant”.


  9. Frugalchariot says:

    I boiled the Easter Bunny says:

    He and Klansman Jeff Sessions make me embarrassed to admit I’m from Alabama. PLEASE believe me when I say we’re not all a bunch of redneck, racist, tea-bagging, idiot sheeple, like those two phucktards would have you believe.
    ——————————————————–

    Speaking as one who lived in Arizona for forty years, I can honestly say I both understand and believe you.


  10. dbadass says:

    PLEASE believe me when I say we’re not all a bunch of redneck, racist, tea-bagging, idiot sheeple, like those two phucktards would have you believe.
    ——
    Doesn’t it get a little weird living in and among them. I mean I am sure it is sort of cool in a Diane Fossey sort of way and all but shit think about how it ended for her?


  11. ralph the wonder llama, official spokesllama for a Troll-Free America™ says:

    Shelby: “you got to ask a question, the real question, ‘are we going to be better off because of this legislation?’

    It’s a good question to ask. The only problem is, when Shelby says “we” he means “the Republican Party”.


  12. dbadass says:

    Damn I hope I spelled her name right. If I didn’t I apologize to her and her loved ones.


  13. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Wow! Ants are expensive these days!


  14. SP Biloxi says:

    “Shelby Tells ThinkProgress: ‘I Basically Agree’ With Boehner’s Metaphor That Financial Crisis Is Like An ‘Ant’”

    Yup, the Band of GOP Brothers stick together like peas and carrots even if Boner thinks that 2+2=5.


  15. Leporello, Join the Army and see the Navy! says:

    Those who set out to serve both God and money soon discover that there is no God.


  16. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    zxbe says:

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    …‘are we going to be better off because of this legislation?’ And that’s problematic.

    And there is the talking point. Thanks to Scott Brown helping to sabotage the bill, and the rest of the GOP insisting that we water it down, now the GOP just makes this claim.

    Scott Brown ran for Senate for basically one reason. Wall St. bankrolled him and sent him to Washington to kill any financial reform, so they could continue to rob everyone blind. So, he rode around in a pick-up and fooled the dumbass teabaggers into believing that he was just an average Joe. Of course they happily swallowed his bullshit, and they will eventually pay the price, just like the rest of us. That’s the problem with living in country with so many ignorant fools. They drag the rest of us down with them.


  17. P.D. says:

    Speaking of Repugs. Patty Murray’s Bill was defeated. What Bill, you ask? The one that would benefit homeless Vets and their families. Real ‘Compassionate’, huh?


  18. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    well when it comes to ants they know there Pissants breed as they do reassemble them as well.

    I boiled the Easter Bunny says:

    my father was born in Alabama so i believe you on that. as i know lots of Alabamas.


  19. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

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    har5125 says:

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    Richard “Dick” Shelby would be one of my heroes if I was an ignorant moronic idiot who just towed the party line and agreed with every stupid idea they stood for.

    Shorter: Richard “Dick” Shelby would be one of my heroes if I was


  20. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Oops!

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    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

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    har5125 says:

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    Richard “Dick” Shelby would be one of my heroes if I was an ignorant moronic idiot who just towed the party line and agreed with every stupid idea they stood for.

    Shorter:

    Richard “Dick” Shelby would be one of my heroes if I was a troll.


  21. UKBristolDave01 says:

    I worry that we seem to have forgotten how close the entire banking system came to collapsing. If it had gone down the tubes then the impact to the global economy would have been horrendous.

    The problem is that as it moves into memory it’s easy to forget how bad it could have been. It’s therefore easy for vested interests to misrepresent what went on.

    I work in the City (IT Service Management – not a trader / banker OK!) and I can remember how close it came.


  22. just the bleepn facts says:

    Maybe an ant from a Godzilla movie? ;)


  23. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    If you’re a senator who gets free healtcare for life and is a corporate whore, i’m sure the financial crisis is no big deal.

    for those whose 401k’s went bye-bye right before their house was foreclosed on…not so much.


  24. MapleStreet says:

    I’m sure that there are a lot of people like me who don’t like the bailout and the way certain things were done. Perhaps on that ground, Shelby can get some traction.

    But to be comparing the situation to an ant and oppose reform ? Sounds like a loosing strategy to me.


  25. christopher wiwi says:

    Welcome to the REGRESSIVE corporate states of AMERIKA!!!!!!


  26. dbadass says:

    Every see a colony of ants doing their thing? It is pretty freakin’ serious…. Leaf cutters, army, red… These things are not f uckin’ around….


  27. MapleStreet says:

    22. Just the bleepin facts says, “Maybe an ant from a Godzilla movie? ;)”

    Can I interest you in the classic movie titled, “Them”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047573/

    Everyone’s giant mutated ant movie.


  28. christopher wiwi says:

    dbadass,The REGRESSIVES scurry around like ants in a colony when it comes to corporate whoredom!!!!!!


  29. barfly says:

    Since an ant can lift 6 times it’s own weight, isn’t Shelby tacitly admitting the problem is six times bigger than we thought?


  30. had enough says:

    SHELBY: “…the real question, ‘are we going to be better off because of this legislation?’…”.

    When he says we he is only including the GNOP +
    transnational corps.


  31. Onlooker says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  32. Zimzone says:

    Boiled bunnies aside, Shelby, Sessions, Barton, Cornyn, Broud, Gingery, Foxx, Alexander, McConnell et al are in serious need of a wake up call.

    Corporations may subsidize & finance you while you’re towing their line, but they will spit you out like a hairball when you fail to their bidding.

    Come to think of it, Shelby could use a hairball on that head.


  33. belaccifer lacca says:

    Who has the majority?

    Good point. It’s time to do away with the filibuster… I can only assume that is what you mean as the bill ‘failed’ with a vote of 57-41, right?


  34. lokidog says:

    I bet this “ant” the lunatic Republiscums keep referring to is the same crazy one Ross Perot always talked about, locked up in his basement.

    These insane f***s run in rightwing circles, ya know.


  35. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    @31

    toxic OT troll crap spill

    straw-person walking.


  36. El Ultimo Gnomo says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  37. Onlooker says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  38. Jackieprep says:

    If the voters vote them back in office no one should complain when the next Recession or Great Depression comes. People write Obama for help and demand he stop the Banks but their elected Law Makers vote for the Banks and against the people. Who does the public blame? Obama because people are clueless to how their Government works. Now the immigrants that the GOP want to kick out of the US know and have to pass a test before getting their citizenship. What’s interesting is immigrants know more about the US Government System, Bill of Rights and even the Constitution then Americans and even Law Makers.

    Sarah Palin said the US doesn’t need a Constitutional Lawyer for a President because she makes up lies and people believe every word plus they give her money for talking stupid.


  39. dbadass says:

    How long are the shifts?


  40. har5125 says:

    Democracy. Deal with it. We won’t let Obama dictate to us.

    Like Bush did for 8 years.


  41. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    @36
    VD and out

    lame strawtroll speaking.

    pissants is what they know and is what they try to be.
    however most all people believe that a pissants has more uses then the white wing party of NO


  42. Mr.Duke says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  43. Onlooker says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  44. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    @41

    toxic stupidly needs cleaning up.

    one of the sock-puppets is really starting to unwind. think its ant head is going to pop.


  45. dbadass says:

    No Mr Duke aren’t you already on record as saying that none of the people involved in the creation of this legislation have common sense?


  46. dbadass says:

    Sorry Mr Duke. I meant Now not No…


  47. UKBristolDave01 says:

    @43 Mr.Duke says:

    OK, what’s the solution here? We have tried deregulation and it hasn’t worked. As the entire economy is plugged into the banking sector in some way or another then it is ‘too big to fail’.

    I am honestly interested.


  48. Mr.Duke says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  49. Onlooker says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  50. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

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    I am too stupid to understand anything. Or if it all goes bad, I will blame someone else for my problems. … Personal responsibility? No.


  51. dbadass says:

    Exactly. And the same cast of characters, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the other fools, are involved in more regulation. … Simply, marvelous.


    So is this to mean that you do have common sense?


  52. Mr.Duke says:

    The solution: start by ready the classic, The Road to Serfdom.

    The Road to Serfdom is a book written by the Austrian-born economist and philosopher Friedrich von Hayek between 1940–1943, in which he “warned of the danger of tyranny that inevitably results from government control of economic decision-making through central planning,” and in which he argues that the abandonment of individualism, liberalism, and freedom inevitably leads to socialist or fascist oppression and tyranny and the serfdom of the individual. Significantly, Hayek challenged the general view among British academics that fascism was a capitalist reaction against socialism, instead arguing that fascism and socialism had common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual.


  53. dbadass says:

    Why does the little person have a thing about online degrees? I don’t know much about them as mine come from brick and mortar but still it seems sort of weird. I think he might still just be acting out…


  54. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

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    @43 Mr.Duke says:

    OK, what’s the solution here? We have tried deregulation and it hasn’t worked. As the entire economy is plugged into the banking sector in some way or another then it is ‘too big to fail’.

    I am honestly interested.

    Don’t bother. He’ll just say to cut taxes and deregulate.


  55. Onlooker says:

    This comment has been voted down. Click to read.


  56. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Exactly. And the same cast of characters, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the other fools, are involved in more regulation. … Simply, marvelous.


    So is this to mean that you do have common sense?

    Yep. I collect interest. I don’t pay it. I am fiscally solvent.


  57. dbadass says:

    Weird that the greatest nation on earth would be so messed up and lacking access to professional common sense expertise during the drafting of major legislation… I think cyber freaks are weird….


  58. dbadass says:

    Yep. I collect interest. I don’t pay it. I am fiscally solvent.


    And this is an equivalency?


  59. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

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    Significantly, Hayek challenged the general view among British academics that fascism was a capitalist reaction against socialism, instead arguing that fascism and socialism had common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual.

    We’ve been over this many times. Some Austrian hack doesn’t get to decide what fascism is. The guy who invented fascism got to decide that, and his name was Musolini, not Hayek. Musolini said the exact opposite, so STFU.


  60. UKBristolDave01 says:

    @52

    Oh Hayek. Total free markets. Problem with that is we have tried it before in the 19th century. Socialism and Communism were a direct result of following a pure free market system.


  61. El Ultimo Gnomo says:

    The federal government (both Repubs and Dems) first needs to recognize and admit the role it played in the financial crisis. First, through its loose monetary policy via the Federal Reserve and second, through its attempt to incentivize home ownership via the CRA as well securitizing mortgages via Fannie and Freddie. And last via bailing out the banks when they knowingly booked and traded the toxic assets. But they addressed none of these issues in the financial reform bill. All the pieces are still in place. All they’ve done is try to disguise who will pay for the next bailout. They pretend as if the onus is on the banks so as to take advantage of a growing populism. But the truth is that the banks will only pass the costs on to the consumer. So it’s still the average American who suffers.


  62. Mr.Duke says:

    And this is an equivalency?

    Of someone knowing money management. If everyone ran their household like me. You would be say, “what is a financial crisis? … Instead, we have millions of idiots that have no clue. … living way over their means. … now, the congress wants to legislate stupidity. … good luck, it has never worked.


  63. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    cut taxes and deregulate.

    two of the Favorite things the right wing believes in.

    and we all know (well the ones who understand reality that is)that BOTH of them DID NOT WORK.

    tax cuts broke us and deregulation made the rich richer.


  64. Mr.Duke says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

    @52

    Oh Hayek. Total free markets. Problem with that is we have tried it before in the 19th century. Socialism and Communism were a direct result of following a pure free market system.

    False. We have NEVER had totally free markets. Please.


  65. dbadass says:

    If everyone ran their household like me

    Did you mean I? A household of one is hardly a comparison to the world’s greatest nation…


  66. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    Republicans protecting the Wall Street Financial Terrorists, Goldman Sacks, BofA, Citicorpse and other giant banks from any real financial reregulation so that these gangster banks can rob us again. More like using an ant to try control a nuclear weapon…

    Q. How dumb can you get?

    A. How dumb do you want us to be?


  67. just the bleepn facts says:

    The jobless losers teabaggistan thuggie wannabe ganstas are here “tagging” the website with their “gang signs” and bullsh!t graffiti? Shocker! Get a job, and buy a belt you piece of sh!t losers…


  68. Mr.Duke says:

    To tweek a famous line: “You can’t handle true freedom”.


  69. dbadass says:

    We have NEVER had totally free markets

    Nor should we….


  70. Pilotshark Sponsored by Boeing`s Toxic cult troll Clean up Team says:

    now, the congress wants to legislate stupidity. … good luck, it has never worked.

    LOL>> well it seems that the wingnuts seem to have all you cult troll spam bots working in unity of STUPID and ignorants.


  71. dbadass says:

    “You can’t handle true freedom”.

    The the gay marriage and the no speed limit thing always freak me out….


  72. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    If everyone ran their household like me

    Did you mean I? A household of one is hardly a comparison to the world’s greatest nation…

    The nation is made up of households. If the vast majority used proper money management, there would be no need to discuss “financial crisis”.


  73. dbadass says:

    How hard is it to manage the finances of a household of one?


  74. jb says:

    Shorter Shelby….I’ll like the ass crack of any body at Goldman Sachs.


  75. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    “You can’t handle true freedom”.

    The the gay marriage and the no speed limit thing always freak me out….

    Why? Gay marriage? Who cares? Speed limit? Depends on the road. That is where common sense comes into play. …


  76. UKBristolDave01 says:

    @64 Mr.Duke says:

    False. We have NEVER had totally free markets. Please.

    I think you will find we had as near as damnit. Resulted in the factory acts


  77. dbadass says:

    there would be no need to discuss “financial crisis”.

    Unless of course some jackass decides to invade a nation just because they bad mouthed his papa…


  78. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    How hard is it to manage the finances of a household of one?

    Before I got married? Easy. … After? Easy. Makes no difference.


  79. Mr.Duke says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

    @64 Mr.Duke says:

    False. We have NEVER had totally free markets. Please.

    I think you will find we had as near as damnit. Resulted in the factory acts

    Near is not total … sorry


  80. dbadass says:

    Why? Gay marriage? Who cares? Speed limit? Depends on the road. That is where common sense comes into play. …


    But limits even common sense limits infringe upon true freedom…


  81. dbadass says:

    Now about those child labor laws….


  82. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Why? Gay marriage? Who cares? Speed limit? Depends on the road. That is where common sense comes into play. …


    But limits even common sense limits infringe upon true freedom…

    Economic freedom doesn’t play into speed limits? I see no correlation. …


  83. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Now about those child labor laws….

    What about them?


  84. jb says:

    Friggin bankers need some regulation and are over due for some Trust busting.


  85. dbadass says:

    Before I got married? Easy. … After? Easy. Makes no difference.


    Sure it does. Only a single person or a completely arrogant jackass that had no respect for their partner or family would say this…

    “If everyone ran their household like me.”


  86. dbadass says:

    What about them?


    Sure as hell isn’t totally free market…


  87. UKBristolDave01 says:

    79 Mr.Duke says:

    Prior to the factory acts there was no legislation limiting the working practices of factories. I’m not sure how it could get more pure?


  88. dbadass says:

    Economic freedom doesn’t play into speed limits? I see no correlation. …


    Define economic freedom?


  89. Frugalchariot says:

    dbadass says:

    “You can’t handle true freedom”.

    The the gay marriage and the no speed limit thing always freak me out….
    ———————————————————–

    Brings up a point. I’ve been wondering why the wingnuts don’t want single payer health care — because with it, then maybe no one would be mandated to buy auto insurance in order to ensure coverage of accident victim medical care at which point speeding and driving recklessly would become the personal freedom choice of the intellectual midget (read: wingnut) …. etc.

    It could happen!


  90. Mr.Duke says:

    Personal choice rather than collective choice,
    Voluntary exchange coordinated by markets rather than allocation via the political process,
    Freedom to enter and compete in markets, and
    Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.


  91. Frugalchariot says:

    dbadass says:

    Before I got married? Easy. … After? Easy. Makes no difference.


    Sure it does. Only a single person or a completely arrogant jackass that had no respect for their partner or family would say this…

    “If everyone ran their household like me.”
    ———————————————————–

    Plus it’s faulty grammar at the sixth grade level. Typical of right wingtards.


  92. tiggymow says:

    well, you have to admit it does make sense dude.

    Lou
    http://www.real-anonymity.se.tc


  93. UKBristolDave01 says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Now about those child labor laws….

    What about them?

    Erm, the free market said it was acceptable for children to work down a mine for 12 hours a day for a pittance.

    I refer you to my earlier point about how socialism and communism came about. If the free market had not been so brutal neither of these world views would have had any traction.


  94. Frugalchariot says:

    “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.”

    That’s what Wall Street reform and regulation is all about, for chrissake.


  95. dbadass says:

    Personal choice rather than collective choice,
    Voluntary exchange coordinated by markets rather than allocation via the political process,
    Freedom to enter and compete in markets, and
    Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.


    And how exactly has the system changed under the current administration that any of these has been altered in a way that effects you?

    Still can’t sell your widgets in Cuba?


  96. Frugalchariot says:

    UKBristolDave01

    If the free market had not been so brutal neither of these world views would have had any traction.
    ————————————————————-

    Precisely. Well said, extremely well said. And today’s righties would love to see history repeat for the moment’s glory and profit of unencumbered serfdom.


  97. Mr.Duke says:

    Frugalchariot says:

    “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.”

    That’s what Wall Street reform and regulation is all about, for chrissake.

    Uh, no. …. who in wall street stolen your property? who took your house that you owned free and clear? Who stole all the money out of your brokerage account? The value may have gone down (market values vary everyday), but the actual stock or bond was not stolen. Who stole your car that you owned free and clear? .. the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.” Without that you have nothing.


  98. dbadass says:

    what happened to the italics. Shit now it has no effect on me…


  99. Mr.Duke says:

    Cuba? We have a retarded policy for decades.


  100. just the bleepn facts says:

    More “gang sign tagging” from the dumphukkkistan thuggie socks? Shocker!

    Poor dumphukkks think “tagging” this website like some hoodlum jobless losers make them “own” it? How pathetic and low class…


  101. UKBristolDave01 says:

    #
    Frugalchariot says:

    Precisely. Well said, extremely well said. And today’s righties would love to see history repeat for the moment’s glory and profit of unencumbered serfdom.

    I just find it very weird that the rich have not learnt the lessons of history. If the gap between rich and poor gets too great then you create huge social unrest. It’s actually in the interest of those at the top of the pile to ensure that those at the bottom get a decent standard of living.


  102. dbadass says:

    Indoor voices Dukie, indoor voices. Can I get you some Chips Ahoy or Chez Its or something….


  103. dbadass says:

    I think we should make a film called Mr Duke Goes to Washington…


  104. dbadass says:

    Still can’t sell your widgets to Iran?


  105. Mr.Duke says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

    #
    Frugalchariot says:

    Precisely. Well said, extremely well said. And today’s righties would love to see history repeat for the moment’s glory and profit of unencumbered serfdom.

    I just find it very weird that the rich have not learnt the lessons of history. If the gap between rich and poor gets too great then you create huge social unrest. It’s actually in the interest of those at the top of the pile to ensure that those at the bottom get a decent standard of living.

    Boom. You finally admitted it. …. throw the masses a bone and keep them satisfied. That is the liberal utopia.


  106. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Still can’t sell your widgets to Iran?

    How about North Korea?


  107. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

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    79 Mr.Duke says:

    Prior to the factory acts there was no legislation limiting the working practices of factories. I’m not sure how it could get more pure?

    The wingnut libertarian idea of true freedom could also be called corporate feudalism.

    They would be the first ones to start crying when they had to go back to working 80 hours a week in a dangerous factory for slave wages, living in the company town and spending their entire wages in the company store. These fools are too stupid to know what they are asking for.


  108. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    I think we should make a film called Mr Duke Goes to Washington…

    I don’t like that swamp. … I am talking about the weather, of course.


  109. dbadass says:

    How about North Korea?


    Do they need widgets?


  110. Mr.Duke says:

    They would be the first ones to start crying when they had to go back to working 80 hours a week in a dangerous factory for slave wages, living in the company town and spending their entire wages in the company store. These fools are too stupid to know what they are asking for.

    Sounds like North Korea. Not exactly a bastion of freedom.


  111. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    How about North Korea?


    Do they need widgets?

    among other items


  112. dbadass says:

    among other items


    So why not give them some?


  113. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sounds like North Korea. Not exactly a bastion of freedom.

    No dumbass, I just described the US at the turn of the 20th century. I guess, your only defense is to be obtuse.


  114. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    among other items


    So why not give them some?

    That is up to your own personal charity.


  115. UKBristolDave01 says:

    Mr Duke

    Boom. You finally admitted it. …. throw the masses a bone and keep them satisfied. That is the liberal utopia.

    Wow, that’s a leap. Well done. I’ll follow your line of logic. You think it’s a good idea to destabilise a country by allowing the rich to get so rich the poor think it’s a good idea to have a revolution and kill the rich.

    Why do you hate the rich so much that you want them killed Mr. Duke? Are you some sort of goddamn commie?


  116. Mr.Duke says:

    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sounds like North Korea. Not exactly a bastion of freedom.

    No dumbass, I just described the US at the turn of the 20th century. I guess, your only defense is to be obtuse.

    It is 2010 in the USA. It might be 1900 in North Korea.


  117. dbadass says:

    That is up to your own personal charity.


    I have lots of that. What do you have to offer?


  118. Mr.Duke says:

    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    By the way, don’t call me names. Hence, I may stop your welfare check.


  119. dbadass says:

    I may stop your welfare check.

    Won’t that risk your job at the welfare office or were you just saying silly shit?


  120. UKBristolDave01 says:

    Mr.Duke

    I’ll leave it here as it is coming up to 11pm and I need to get up for work tomorrow.

    I suggest you take a little look at history quite soon. Might do you some good.


  121. dbadass says:

    It is 2010 in the USA. It might be 1900 in North Korea.


    Wanna make a venn diagram to show us how you preceive these differences?


  122. just the bleepn facts says:

    LOL! The dumphukkkistan thuggie thinks “tagging” a website with graffiti and teabaggistan gangsta gang signs is “charity” work? LOL! ROTFL!!!! LOL!!! No, dumphukkk, it’s nothing but low class vandalism from a jobless loser wannabe thuggie.


  123. Frugalchariot says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    Frugalchariot says:

    “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.”

    That’s what Wall Street reform and regulation is all about, for chrissake.

    Uh, no. …. who in wall street stolen your property? who took your house that you owned free and clear? Who stole all the money out of your brokerage account? The value may have gone down (market values vary everyday), but the actual stock or bond was not stolen. Who stole your car that you owned free and clear? .. the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.” Without that you have nothing.
    ———————————————————–

    Wall Street’s unregulated excesses (post Glass-Steagall repeal) wreaked havoc on the markets, drove values of investments, including housing, into the gutter, and in the process cost common people the entire sum of their investment, sometimes (in housing) even more. I know personally of one case where the housing market took such a big dump that a young couple who had invested $65000 cash in a home with a then-market value of roughly $250000 lost the whole thing, including their original investment AND the house, when the market value dropped substantially below the amount of their loan (roughly 185000). There was no “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others” in place. ” Without [which they wound up with] nothing.”

    Regulation, regulation, regulation. Phuck the “free market,” it’s only goal is to steal from someone else with no guarantee of supplying anything in return. REGULATE!

    BTW, in re your statement the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.” That’s a new one, never heard it before, and it’s damn sure not in the Constitution. I presume you have a source?


  124. Kmich718 says:

    Mr. Duke:

    I’m a little confused. You want everyone to be like you while at the same time touting freedom?

    How do you reconcile this?


  125. just the bleepn facts says:

    The jobless dumphukkk from the blood sukkking red state welfare dumps is whining about welfare? LOL! To phukkking funny!


  126. Mr.Duke says:

    Charity for North Korea? Nah. I will stick with AACR Foundation. … But you are free to knock yourself out for North Korea. I will not stop you. Congress, on the hand, may not feel the same. … good luck.


  127. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sounds like North Korea. Not exactly a bastion of freedom.

    No dumbass, I just described the US at the turn of the 20th century. I guess, your only defense is to be obtuse.

    It is 2010 in the USA. It might be 1900 in North Korea.

    Wow! First you tell us that some idiot in Autria knew more about the ideology of fascism than did Benito Musolini. Now you tell us that the United States was communist in 1900.

    You better quit while you are behind. You are getting more idiotic by the moment.


  128. Mr.Duke says:

    UKBristolDave01 says:

    Mr.Duke

    I’ll leave it here as it is coming up to 11pm and I need to get up for work tomorrow.

    I suggest you take a little look at history quite soon. Might do you some good.

    You realize the U.K. is bankrupt?


  129. just the bleepn facts says:

    Ah, the neo nazi b!tch is still “tagging” the website with her nazi rhetoric like a common criminal? Shocker!


  130. just the bleepn facts says:

    Nothing but unsubstantiated hate speech and dumphukkkistan “gansta” tagging from the low life ill-mannered right wing extremist sock trolls? Shocker!


  131. Zooey (Just Another Day in Paradise) says:

    Heh, Dookie suggests that UKDave take a look at history. That’s funny!


  132. dbadass says:

    Yo Mr Duke:
    Can we back up to the place where you were suggesting that totally free market capitalism was the shits?


  133. Zooey (Just Another Day in Paradise) says:

    In his press briefing today, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Boehner was “opening one’s mouth and removing most of the doubt that you’re completely out of touch with America.” He added, “It demonstrates how out of touch you are currently and it demonstrates exactly the type of mindset that he would bring to leading the House of Representatives.”

    If The Weepy Boner had to live one day like most of the people in this country do, he’d spend all of his time crying.


  134. just the bleepn facts says:

    Wannabe thuggies that post gang signs on “real buildings” think they’re striking a blow for their “gang” just like the trolls do. Same low class, ill-mannered poorly raised thuggies in both cases.


  135. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Frugalchariot says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    BTW, in re your statement the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.” That’s a new one, never heard it before, and it’s damn sure not in the Constitution. I presume you have a source?

    Wingnut libertarians have their own constitution. It has all kinds of stuff in it that the US Constitution doesn’t have, like banning Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public land, fire departments, public schools, well, just about everything, except the ability of the rich and powerful to dominate the general public.


  136. Mr.Duke says:

    shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    What the F— are you talking about? I think I found another money management fool here, Mr. Shoeless. You are the poster boy that I mentioned in #42.


  137. Kmich718 says:

    Is Boehner channeling Beck now? What’s with the crying???


  138. dbadass says:

    Dukie
    How many times do we need to remind you. Do I need to get the genitial cuff? Indie voices Dukie… Inside voices…


  139. Frugalchariot says:

    Kmich718 says:

    Is Boehner channeling Beck now? What’s with the crying???
    —————————————————————

    Could it be that tanning gel is an eye irritant?


  140. Mr.Duke says:

    dbadass says:

    Dukie
    How many times do we need to remind you. Do I need to get the genitial cuff? Indie voices Dukie… Inside voices…

    You are 110% correct. My inner voice says it is time to leave this “dumbass” site. See ya, tomorrow. … maybe. .. if you are lucky …


  141. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Kmich718 says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Is Boehner channeling Beck now? What’s with the crying???

    He cried when he’s drunk, which is always. It looks like Mr. Puke is channeling both Boner and Beck.


  142. Frugalchariot says:

    Duke

    the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.”

    Ahem. Duke. Asking again. Source?????


  143. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr. Puke has to leave. The keys get all blurry when he cries.


  144. Frugalchariot says:

    I believe we drove the phucker off. Interesting.


  145. Frugalchariot says:

    Addendum: Duke’s running off reminds me of an old Dean Martin line, Ratpack, Las Vegas: “If you’re gonna hit me with logic, I don’t wanna chit chat.”


  146. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Frugalchariot says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    Duke

    the rule of law via the constitution covers “Protection of persons and their property from aggression by others.”

    I’m still wondering about his source which says the US was communist in 1900.

    Ahem. Duke. Asking again. Source?????


  147. shoe (formerly shoeless, sponsored by Nike) says:

    Mr.Duke says:

    ——————————————————————————–

    By the way, don’t call me names.

    Crazed corporate feudalists are so sensitive.


  148. dbadass says:

    I believe we drove the phucker off. Interesting.


    The genital cuff has a way of doing that…


  149. sscncturn64 says:

    Nice picture, where`s his fcking lips?
    I guess they are worn off from kissing all of that republican ass.


  150. pops7154 says:

    This is the redneck moran from alabama that made wall street and the banks go down.The head of the repucks chairmen of finance comittie during stupid bush years.


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    Boehner is an intellectual incompetent. Shelby is not but would you expect him to disagree?


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