Today on Capitol Hill, Americans for Prosperity, the corporate front group founded and funded by David Koch of the oil conglomerate Koch Industries, hosted an event to urge the passage of Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s (R-AK) resolution to gut the Clean Air Act’s power to regulate carbon emissions. Several Republican Senators came to the AFP event to encourage support for the resolution, which was drafted by lobbyists from the coal and oil industry.
After the event, ThinkProgress spoke to one of the speakers, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK), about his support for Carly Fiorina (R-CA), the U.S. Senate candidate to emerge from the primary last night. Inhofe gave Fiorina an early endorsement, and his nephew, Fred Davis, created the infamous “demon sheep” ads for Fiorina’s campaign.
Inhofe, who has been described as Washington’s “the last flat-earther” for his strident denial of climate change, said Fiorina “is supporting what I am supporting.” He elaborated that Fiorina both supports eviscerating the EPA’s ability to enforce the Clean Air Act, and that she is supportive of his beliefs “in terms of the whole global warming hoax.” He then added that he is “very proud of her”:
TP: I was wondering if Carly actually supports this effort to change the regulatory power of the Clean Air Act that you’re talking about today?
INHOFE: No, Carly’s already taken a stand on this.
TP: Oh, so she’s supporting this?
INHOFE: She is supporting what I am supporting. In fact Carly made a statement yesterday that was the strongest statement I’ve heard yet in terms of the whole global warming hoax. So I was very proud of her.
Watch it:
Not long ago, Fiorina believed in climate change and supported efforts to deal with carbon pollution. On Fox News last year, Fiorina praised Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) for crafting bipartisan clean energy legislation to achieve “energy independence” and “addressing climate change as equally important goals.” Fiorina also campaigned for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in 2008 because he promised to “create a cap-and-trade system that will encourage the development of alternative energy sources.”
Fiorina has quickly dismissed her once-held climate change beliefs to satisfy the far right, science-denying wing of the conservative movement. She initially flipped, telling reporters that people need the “courage” to question climate change science. Then, she ran an ad mocking Sen. Barbara Boxer’s (D-CA) belief in climate change, with the narrator claiming that the world’s catastrophic changes in temperature are simply due to the “weather.” But now with Inhofe claiming Fiorina agrees fully with his belief that climate change is a “hoax” and that Congress must radically weaken the Clean Air Act, the metamorphosis of Fiorina into full right-wing sycophant is complete.
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Oh, crap. All the more reason to kick Carly the Demon Sheep to the friggin’ curb!!
June 9th, 2010 at 2:27 pmApparently running a company into the ground wasn’t enough for her. Next up: the planet.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pmWell, what did we expect? Carly ran HP into the ground and got a nice ‘Golden Parachute’. She LOVES her Big Business buddies. I hope the people of CA ditch this witch.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pmGOC = Grand Old Clowns
June 9th, 2010 at 2:32 pmFiorina has quickly dismissed her once held climate change beliefs to satisfy the far right, science-denying wing of the conservative movement.
She didn’t want to be seen as an FCINO aka Demon Sheep.
*eyes rooling*
June 9th, 2010 at 2:34 pmP.D. – all her stupid commercials here in CA were her bragging about how she “started as a receptionist” and ended up as CEO – she neglects to mention that she got fired for running the ocmpany into the ground…
Just one of those insignificant tiny little unimportant details, eh?
June 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pmPutting personal and political gain over facts is the “conservative way” for the republican members in Congress.
I never want to hear another one of them or their supporters screaming about the future of their children and/or grandchildren because even if the deficit is reduced/eliminated, there will be no future if the planet becomes increasingly uninhabitable.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pmInhofe: Fiorina ‘Is Supporting’ My Push To Gut The Clean Air Act, Agrees Climate Change Is A ‘Hoax’
Great!
If she continues to stroke the Right, Californians will reject her, on that basis alone. Her opponent was even more wingnutty, and we rejected him, so she’d better triangulate now, and start moving towards the center, or lose big.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pmClearly stupidity cuts across gender lines.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pmIf there’s a large turnout in November – Boxer keeps her seat.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:37 pmRemember Inhofe’s presser in Copenhagen?
The Euro journalists pretty much laughed him right off the continent.
He’s right at home in Oklahoma.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:38 pmstewarjt says:
Clearly stupidity cuts across gender lines.
Carly Fiorina
Meg Whitman
Sue Lowden aka Chicken Lady
Sharron Angle
Sarah Palin
Mary Matalin
Michele Bachmann
Ugh, definitely.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:38 pmCarly Fiorino, the poster child for:
I got mine! Now I wanaa fukcup yours!
June 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pmWhat happened to California being the ‘left-coast’? I guess it’s just as susceptible to the dumbing down of America as anywhere else…
June 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pmebbAndflow says:
If there’s a large turnout in November – Boxer keeps her seat.
The people of California better be on their toes. Fiorina and Whitman are toxic.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:40 pmMy oldest brother still lives in CA, and he emailed me that the get out the vote effort started this morning…
June 9th, 2010 at 2:41 pmAnd I thought the south had the monopoly on stupid….
June 9th, 2010 at 2:43 pmIn fact Carly made a statement yesterday that was the strongest statement I’ve heard yet in terms of the whole global warming hoax.
I live in northern Ontario.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pmThe above stament could prevoke a bar fight.
Great just great.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pmLeftside Annie – Item 6 on Teh Gay Agenda says:
June 9th, 2010 at 2:47 pmOh, crap. All the more reason to kick Carly the Demon Sheep to the friggin’ curb!!
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Honestly that ad…even though it was pure BS was great just for the demon sheep. Only good thing Fiorina has ever done was make people laugh with that ad. Other than that she’s batshit insane for supporting pollution lovers like Inhofe. What a f***ing cretin that guy is.
linzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
And I thought the south had the monopoly on stupid….
I’ve lived in several different states, and every place had a large share of stupid. ;)
June 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pmMy thoughts exactly. While California has some deep red parts of the state, and can go Republican state-wide, it’s not generally teabagger-friendly territory on the whole.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:49 pmWe need, NEED Inhofe to have a “wide stance” moment. He’s an ignorant embarrassing ass clown.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:50 pmThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
That Carly Fiorina, a cancer survivor, would disregard science boggles the mind. Would she line up with people like Imhofe if they said that cancer research is a hoax?
June 9th, 2010 at 2:51 pmQuestion: is there a Republican anywhere that’s not dead from the neck up?
June 9th, 2010 at 2:52 pmfrugal@26 Unfortunately, the answer’s no…
June 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pmQuestion: is there a Republican anywhere that’s not dead from the neck up?
Actually, they’re dead from the mouth up. The strident minority never misses a microphone.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pmWell with the level of smog in CA I think this might be the start of the implosion.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pmInhofe is not merely uninformed or misinformed — he’s stupid.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pmLet’s face it. The “Far Right” is nothing but the mouth of big Oil.
Every one of the far right senators is from an oil producing state. Several of the big fundamentalist preacher-politicians also came from big Oil backgrounds.
Oil has ruled us for many, many decades; since the crisis of 1974 (which happened after we definitively lost in Vietnam, and the little oil states got uppity) and efforts by Carter and Gray Davis to buck them resulted in their personal calamities.
Only we can cut back and cut down their profits, but we need the government to help us on this, not hinder us, as Inhofe, Fiorina, Vitter, et al. would have it do.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:57 pmwildweasel says:
well….it IS a HOAX
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1) “Climate-Gate” is two f***ing sentences taken out of context out of roughly 14 years worth of emails. Even if global warming is a hoax, you think breathing yellow air is good for you?
2) There are thousands of other scientists, all over the world, in agreement about climate change. Sadly they’re out-numbered by the retards, like Wild Weasel and Inhofe, who thinks God is going to whisk them up to Heaven so they can just f**k up the planet in the mean-time without repercussions.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pmNeeds to be repeated…
June 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pmFiorina has never been a politician but has the ego for it. And to be fair about her running HP into the ground, she had a lot of practice putting Lucent on the same path. Here are some words from people that are in the know about Fiorina:
http://carly-fiorina.com/
Interesting reads
June 9th, 2010 at 3:01 pmEven if climate change were some grand hoax perpetuated by those dang science types, wouldn’t it be nice to still have clean air to breath so the right could spew more BS without wheezing? Hmmmm?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pmGoing for a morning walk? Don’t forget your respirator and your smog light.
How fast can the US sink to Third World status?
Vote republican to find out.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pmbiz, it just sucks that we can’t have a substantive debate on climate change with righties without the righties screaming about it being a hoax or a “plot to control us”…
June 9th, 2010 at 3:03 pmhttp://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/06/09/globalwarming-americans.html
A U.S. national survey released Tuesday finds that public concern about global warming is increasing, with public belief that it is occurring rising to 61 per cent, up from 57 per cent since January. And 50 per cent of Americans believe the phenomenon is caused by people — an increase of three points.
Fifty-three per cent of respondents now worry about the impact global warming will have (an increase of three points) and 63 per cent believe it will affect them personally (an increase of five points).
June 9th, 2010 at 3:05 pmBlanche Lincoln
Carly Fiorina
Meg Whitmann
MORE PROOF THAT CORPORATIST’S RULE OUR CORPORATE OWNED GOVERNMENT!
June 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pmSpeaking of right winger hoaxes, has anyone seen Fiorina’s birth certificate? The long form one?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:08 pmNice to know if you want to run for the senate, house or a State governorship, you need to be a multi-millionaire.
Hey teabaggers and progressives, what is wrong with this picture?????????????
June 9th, 2010 at 3:08 pmlinzloo08 brought to you by I Want My Country Back, Inc.!! says:
June 9th, 2010 at 3:09 pmbiz, it just sucks that we can’t have a substantive debate on climate change with righties without the righties screaming about it being a hoax or a “plot to control us”…
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Exactly. The only people trying to bring disgrace upon the scientific community aren’t the scientists who had their private emails hacked or are attacked in public or in the media for their research…it is the hackers, the quote miners, and the corporate owned politicians are who eating this shit up and trying to smear the tonnes of research about AGW. And don’t even get me started on the trolls and the Glenn Beck black helicopter crowd and their “theories” about AGW. They’re just insane and full of shit.
Rest assured bizarrobrain, there is no way I plan to just “whisk them up to heaven.” I designed your species with more intellectual processing capacity than any other on this planet. Elsewhere of course, I have some interesting results that would shame you, but that’s another topic. For Imhofe, Wildweasel et. al. there will be repercussions. We always get a big laugh up here when the word “conservative” is mentioned as a political theory because, in essence, the people who espouse this garbage do anything but “conserve.” By the way, if you see an electric car with a bumper sticker that says: “Stop wasting my planet!” give a little honk and tell your friends you saw me.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:10 pmclean air act [ghwb] or not would you, inhofe or fiorina, prefer clean air or not. and just why do the so dirty air people drink purified spring water?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pmIf there are, you can bet the trolls are calling ‘em “RINOs”.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pmwith bendy straws?
why not just drink highway air and highway water?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pmThere are actually three distinct groups asserting that climate change is a hoax.
First there is the holier than thou crowd. Climate change inconveniently interferes with that whole rapture thing. If the ever come around to believe that climate change is real they will have to declare that God is pissed off – blaming the usual suspects like gays.
Then there is the conservative corporate crowd. The deny global warming because protecting the environment is going to cost them money. In other words, profits now – f^ck the future. These are the same people who created and manipulate the Tea Party dimwits. They created the “huge debt for our grandchildren” talking point.
Of course, if we don’t save the planet future generations might not have to worry about that debt.
The third group are the fatalists – mostly GOPers who accept climate change but say that doing something about it is too expensive. They also make the ridiculous claim that our efforts don’t matter because poor countries will continue to be polluters.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pmcome on, walk the walk or talk the talk. if your not for clean air stop drinking spring water and start sucking the fumes factories give off.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:14 pmThe fact that so many of these animals are so willing to characterize what is, after all, an extremely well established scientific fact as a “hoax” is testament to nothing but their own unbounded depravity and utter lack of even the barest scintilla of ordinary integrity.
It requires no more effort than what is necessary for barely sensate consciousness to discover the facts,
no more intelligence than a remedial 5th grader to understand the facts,
and no more integrity than a cockroach to accurately report the facts of climate change.
Yet the conservatards and reich-wingers simply cannot manage to do so.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:15 pmyou say engine exhaust is clean. just look up that pipe.
would you eat food that passed thru that tube? would you drink water that passes thru that tube?
would you drink that pure rainwater runoff that comes off the highways and byways? would you have your kids drink that?
then why the hypocrisy about the clean air act?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pmGod Almighty says:
Rest assured bizarrobrain, there is no way I plan to just “whisk them up to heaven.” I designed your species with more intellectual processing capacity than any other on this planet. Elsewhere of course, I have some interesting results that would shame you, but that’s another topic. For Imhofe, Wildweasel et. al. there will be repercussions. We always get a big laugh up here when the word “conservative” is mentioned as a political theory because, in essence, the people who espouse this garbage do anything but “conserve.” By the way, if you see an electric car with a bumper sticker that says: “Stop wasting my planet!” give a little honk and tell your friends you saw me.
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It’s a shame your conservative followers love the idea of the government intruding on people’s privacy but hate the idea of the government regulating industrial practices that have harmful effects upon public health and the environment, or business practices that fleece/discriminate against consumers. I can’t blame you guys for laughing, I would be laughing too…if only to keep from smiting someone.
And thank you Lord…and I will honk. Oh and forgive me for all the Zombie Jesus jokes I made this Easter…I tend to get too into the spirit of things.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pmwildweasel says:
well….it IS a HOAX
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Only to people who are dead from the neck up.
Your identity now revealed. Thank you.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pmlocate your office next to a lead smelter inhofe. i dare you.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pmJane Hamsher is calling for a civil disobedience campaign !
Time to start being the news rather than reading about it !
We need to mobilize now , collectively !
June 9th, 2010 at 3:18 pmdo you like your bottled water ww? would you like it if bp or exxon bottled it?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:18 pmwhy do you want to pollute the world if you dont know when it will end?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pm26. Frugalchariot says:
I would suggest the Gubernator himself, with whom I have more than a few disagreements, but who has generally based California environmental policies on facts (at least from what I’ve seen at a distance). But as someone above already noted, he is dismissed these days as a RINO.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:19 pmProgressive Activism: What Works
While progressives have had some successes around the edges, it’s largely been Sherman’s March to the Sea for the corporate agenda during the Clinton-Bush-Obama years. Nothing progressives have achieved can compare to NAFTA, the lucrative wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush tax cuts, and the bank/insurance industry/PhRMA bailouts. Now Congress is preparing to dismantle the New Deal, selectively defaulting on Treasury bonds issued to the Social Security trust fund — targeting American senior citizens in this sudden compulsion to reduce the deficit.
I only know of one action that has really caused Obama to reverse course dramatically and relent on something he didn’t want to do — and that was when Dan Choi, Jim Pietrangelo, GetEqual and other LGBT activists gave the finger to their veal pen overlords (and the members of Congress who handle them), publicly heckled and embarrassed Obama, and chained themselves to the fence of the White House.
The White House response may not be sufficient, but the pressure is working.
Join the discussion !!!
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/06/09/progressive-activism-what-works/
June 9th, 2010 at 3:20 pmXisithrus says:
June 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pmwhy do you want to pollute the world if you dont know when it will end?
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But they do know when the world will end. “Soon.” Which could be any day now…you know like it has been FOR THE PAST 2,000 YEARS (give or take).
If anyone hasn’t seen the Lord Monckton ‘evisceration’, it’s well worth your time…
http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/27/professor-abraham-debunks-lord-monckton-talk-video/
This should be required for anyone who is prone to denying climate change, though another reason for their denial is they don’t care to inform themselves.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pmXisithrus says:
June 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pmdo you like your bottled water ww? would you like it if bp or exxon bottled it?
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BP brand water…you can almost taste the corruption!
But they do know when the world will end. “Soon.” -=bizarro=-
political canard cloaking itself in religion. shocker. to what end. profit.
is fiat, iou money. really worth taking the chance that generations after ours will suffer the damages ’spin’ has caused?
why take that risk.
i prefer caution to peeing in the wind
June 9th, 2010 at 3:25 pmBP brand water…you can almost taste the corruption! -=bizarro=-
mmm mmm good. even better with a bendy straw to suck the fossil goodness off the surface.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:26 pmGary Herstein says:
26. Frugalchariot says:
Question: is there a Republican anywhere that’s not dead from the neck up?
I would suggest the Gubernator himself, with whom I have more than a few disagreements, but who has generally based California environmental policies on facts (at least from what I’ve seen at a distance). But as someone above already noted, he is dismissed these days as a RINO.
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Heh. Seems to me I recall that after he was first elected, Orrin Hatch, among others, were talking about a Constitutional amendment to allow foreign-born citizens (Republicans only, I’m sure) to be president. Haven’t heard much about that lately, though. Go figure. ;)
June 9th, 2010 at 3:27 pmRe: Global warming deniers…
I have two colleagues at work who are adamant deniers.
One of them exclaimed to me a while back “NASA’s got the data right on their web site!”
So today, I decided to take a Look!
So much for the deniers attempt to obfuscate… Idiots.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:30 pmXisithrus says:
i prefer caution to peeing in the wind
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You’re obviously not a Republican. See how easy they are to spot?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:30 pmi think this is the one she was referring to, could be meg,
but randi rhodes asks – why would someone spend 80 MILLION dollars to buy a job that only pays around 150+ thousand…???
hmmm?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:34 pmXisithrus says:
But they do know when the world will end. “Soon.” -=bizarro=-
political canard cloaking itself in religion. shocker. to what end. profit.
is fiat, iou money. really worth taking the chance that generations after ours will suffer the damages ’spin’ has caused?
why take that risk.
i prefer caution to peeing in the wind
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That seems to be a common thing, at least here in America. Political ideology has pretty much blended with and replaced religion for conservatives so you end up with this psychotic mess of a belief system. I’m not sure who pisses me off more, the politicians, the propagandists or the corporate apologists that flood progressive sites and environmentalists sites.
I’m not placing the full blame on them, they’re annoying as all f***ing hell but they’re not to fully blame. Though I place most of the blame on the corporate a**holes who seem hell bent on destroying our planet, we all kinda are to blame. We need excellent legislation, green sources of energy and yet most people seem unwilling to do anything other than send some e-mails, make a few phone calls, and the like. As far as I can see, nobody is marching in the streets yet, nobody is willing to passionately work towards electing environmentally sensitive leaders that have spines. Nobody seems willing to embark on large-scale protests and boycotts (e.g., of BP or any of the other oil companies and their apologists like Inhofe), and not all that many people even take the time to participate in the once-every-six-month climate rallies. In my view, we need to do much more than we are currently doing: much more.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:35 pmXisithrus says:
BP brand water…you can almost taste the corruption! -=bizarro=-
mmm mmm good. even better with a bendy straw to suck the fossil goodness off the surface.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pm–
Mmm…mmm. You just know that slimy bastard Hayward would jump on this idea if he got the chance.
Arctic sea ice extent declines rapidly in May
The astroturf spin machine is hard at work pimping Steve Goddard’s denialist crap from Watts Up With That. Goddard and Watts are using data from the Navy’s PIPS sea ice forecast to claim that ice has increased 25% in the last two years. PIPS is a modeling system that gives 6 day ice forecasts, not long term ones, and is not peer reviewed.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pmIf one of the trolls wants to debate this, I have a few aces in the hole that I would like to play….BRING IT ON!
65. RUCerious (!Death to BP!) says:
Yeah, the bulk of the data has been public domain for some time now. I believe there are pieces of the HADCRUT data set that are proprietary (that’s the Hadley and East Anglia Climate Research Unit). But their data is not as good as NASA GISS or NOAA because they do not take the Arctic into consideration. (Their argument is that the data tracking points are too “thin”, so rather than interpolate they simply ignore the Arctic altogether.)
The only way deniers can even pretend to have a case is by violating every single standard not only of scientific methodology, but of critical thinking as well.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:42 pmBoycotts , civil disobedience and the threat of a general strike is about the only strategy that stands any real chance of success .
Non violent non cooperation ! We need to do some real planning here !
Lets get started !!!
June 9th, 2010 at 3:48 pmWe should start with BP . Ask for everyone reachable to boycott the company . Go to the gas stations that sell it’s commodity with info about how to switch distributors and warn them that their distributor will be nationally boycotted from all sides !
Start in the gulf coast states heavily and make arrangements with a company (citgo ?) that can replace BP and maybe even at a discount .
Jane is a perfect spokesperson and democracy now is a good place to go to get the message out immediately !
We need to enlist the help of celebrity well known to the pop culture and take the boycott to the rest of the world .
June 9th, 2010 at 3:48 pmWe should take down BP and then move on to Exxon !
Lets turn this into a mass mobilization effort .
The effort could culminate in a constitutional amendment striking down corporate personhood and create public financing of campaigns .
A mass mobilization could also become the touchstone for the beginning of a third party . It’s coming out celebration so to speak .
June 9th, 2010 at 3:51 pmAgreeing with Jim Inhofe. That’s a surefire way to get elected in California.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:51 pmTime to act !
June 9th, 2010 at 3:52 pmfreeman says:
We should take down BP and then move on to Exxon !
Lets turn this into a mass mobilization effort .
The effort could culminate in a constitutional amendment striking down corporate personhood and create public financing of campaigns .
A mass mobilization could also become the touchstone for the beginning of a third party . It’s coming out celebration so to speak .
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I don’t know if taking down big oil is realistic or not. Here’s and interesting op-ed article that’s kinda related:
Could we really take over BP? Questions and answers about putting the oil company into receivership
June 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pmCarly, the Demon Sheepherder, is going to lose big time against Senator Barbara Boxer in the November election.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:58 pmDon’t buck the Dem’s . Buck the system !
We only vote once every two years so we have time in between to do something far more proactive .
We can frame the message as an assault on the entire system and leave the democrats largely alone .
You can vote for them in the November election or not
June 9th, 2010 at 4:00 pmthe silent revolution started years ago.
its like a big wave at the bottom of the sea.
its chock full of energy but doesnt register on the radar
June 9th, 2010 at 4:12 pmTill now !
June 9th, 2010 at 4:21 pmThe combination of Fiorina and Inhoffe.
How many times have they been right ? I can’t imagine a fraction that small.
June 9th, 2010 at 5:58 pmOh well, if esteemed climatologist Fiorina is joining you, that obviously means you’ve been completely vindicated.
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June 9th, 2010 at 9:45 pmRe: me @ 86:
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June 9th, 2010 at 9:57 pmIn all honesty, the hearings would probably be more useful at a later date.
June 9th, 2010 at 10:40 pm