Man-made global warming has “affected Kenyan coffee production through unpredictable rainfall patterns and excessive droughts, making crop management and disease control a nightmare.” Joseph Kimemia, director of research at Kenya’s Coffee Research Foundation (CRF), told reporters that hotter temperatures and unpredictable rainfall are damaging his nation’s ability to grow coffee:
We have seen climate change in intermittent rainfall patterns, extended drought and very high temperatures. Coffee operates within a very narrow temperature range of 19-25 degrees (Celsius). When you start getting temperatures above that, it affects photosynthesis and in some cases, trees wilt and dry up. We have see trees drying up in some marginal coffee areas.
Global warming-related droughts, heat waves, and climate change are also damaging coffee production in top exporters such as Uganda, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, and Nicaragua, as growers are “being forced uphill to higher altitudes, at a rate of three to four meters a year on average, as temperatures rise.”
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To the likes of the US Chamber of Commerce and WSJ only money counts. They’ll make a fortune on coffee futures, leaving the futures of our grandchildren in jeopardy.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:42 amWhile jwest and the rest of the wingnuts bury their heads in the sand, the image of a world free from the combustion engine sounds like paradise.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:47 amIsn’t it weird how wingnuts are all about anecdotal data until it demonstrates something they dispute? Then they seem to enjoy erecting straw men to obscure the view.
Funny how that happens.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:47 amjwest says:
We should institute an immediate 99% tax on all incomes above $100,000 and seize all profits from all corporations in order to send the money to these poor Kenyan coffee producers.
That would be a good start.
Dumbass.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:49 amThis comment has been voted down. Click to read.
American’s need jobs. Why not employ every unemployed American at the task of building wind generated electrical infrastructure.
Obama, appoint me and I will make the United States able to not only supply its own electrical needs through wind power, but the entire world. Yes we can!
February 13th, 2010 at 9:51 amForgive me if I am cynical, but weird? No. It is completely expected, and amusing on some level. It is quite impressive though, how they never seem to realize the inconsistency in their arguments.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:53 amWhy did TP use a McDonalds cup in the photo above?
McDonalds is a part of the problem. They are helping destroy the environment.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:53 amBTW, the spilled coffee in the above photo looks more like used motor oil.
February 13th, 2010 at 9:55 amThe internet sure does give grown men umlimited opportunity to behave like 13 year olds…
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We should institute a 90% personal income tax for income above 100,000 and a 90% corporate income tax as well. It wouldn’t hurt to abolish every corporate tax shelter as long as you are at it. That way we could pay for the two wars the fascist Republicans started, as well as dig ourselves out of the debt the fascist Republicans accumulated.
You do want to see America dig itself out of debt, don’t you jwest?
February 13th, 2010 at 9:58 amhow long before some limbaugh dittohead starts up with the obama birth certificate angle on this story?
the lengths they have to go through to keep up their willful ignorance and self delusion is incredible. “hey, it’s snowing. that proves conclusively that global warming is a fraud!”
in order to make this claim, they have to first explicitly state or implicitly acknowledge the premise that they are incapable of understanding complex systems like global climate and its multifaceted effects on regional and local weather.
it works for many of them because they long ago bought on to the idea that smart-making is for pointy headed elites. but few others find such self imposed ignorance to be an appealing stance.
and of course they also have to believe, or pretend they believe, that the NASA, NAS, and even the pentagon have been taken over by DFHs and are in on the scam whose purpose is to impose socialism on america while simultaneously enriching gore.
they basically have to buy — or pretend to buy that entire story wholecloth. otherwise the logic breaks down to a point that even they cannot push it with a straight face.
but i swear, it’s only a matter of time before some wingbagger ties this story to equally nutty theories obama being a secret durty fur’ner…
February 13th, 2010 at 9:58 amHave you tasted McDonalds coffee recently?
February 13th, 2010 at 9:59 amLevi the Oracle says:
You do want to see America dig itself out of debt, don’t you jwest?
I think he wants to see America, under the leadership of President Obama, fail. Just like all of the rightwingnuts.
The do hate America, you see…
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Have you tasted McDonalds coffee recently?
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February 13th, 2010 at 10:03 amI haven’t tasted any McNotFood. Consider what you put in your body….
Now the deniers are cornered. They’re going to have to go right into saying it was all Bill Clinton’s fault.
My Only God is Rahm
February 13th, 2010 at 10:03 amNo. I don’t consume caffeine. I’ve been told by other people that McDonalds’ coffee sucks.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:03 amWhen was global warming all fun and games? Do you think we are trying to limit greenhouse emissions because we think it is not serious?
jwest, global warming could mean the extinction of all life on the planet. I guess to a fascist Republican that is all fun and games, isn’t it?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:04 amBut…but…but what about Snowpocalypse?!
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jwest
February 13th, 2010 at 10:07 amYou might enjoy the book “Uncommon Grounds”. I can’t remember the author but I can forward it to you later if you think it might interest you
Fascist Republicans like jwest not only put party before country, they put party before planet.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:08 amjwest is trying. he’s really working hard. just give him a pat on the head, say “good job” and let him keep thinking he’s holding his own with the big kids.
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hey jwest, so where do you stand on the connection to obama’s birth in kenya.
you believe that too, right? in addition to believing nasa, nas and the pentagon are all in on the scam, you also believe obama is a secret muslim and dirty foreigner, right?
c’mon, don’t go halfway in your wingbaggery…
February 13th, 2010 at 10:12 amOnly a fascist wingnut would use a benevolent celebrity concert, whose purpose was to raise money for the disaster in Haiti, as a means to a partisan attack on global warming.
You have no sense of decency jwest. You shame America.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:13 amWon’t you show your support by donating today?
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February 13th, 2010 at 10:16 amSure why not. If it will validate your silly scenario and make you feel that being an online pest makes you a winner so be it. Let me get my checkbook….
jwest, inquiring minds want to know: you’re a birther, right? and you believe obama is a secret muslim fascist communist organizer, right?
right?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:16 amWhitewingnutz can’t stand it when we fight on their terms.
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jwest will be back shortly. he’s currently checking wnd and newsmax to get his talking points…
February 13th, 2010 at 10:19 amThe free markets are always refining services. If for some natural cooling reason coffee is no longer available, McDonalds will offer warm troll piss for millions of Americans to enjoy spitting out in horror.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:19 amin addition to believing nasa, nas and the pentagon are all in on the scam
February 13th, 2010 at 10:20 am—
Don’t forget the Pope and my postmaster…
Top jwest all charity is suspect. All do-gooders are suspect. Normal people don’t care about other people. It’s all a vast left-wing conspiracy to rob them of a dollar. Right jwest?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:21 amooh, he was back a little quicker than i thought. so you believe:
*that nasa, nas, and the pentagon are lying about global warming
*that obama is not a citizen
*that obama is a fascist
*that obama is a communist/socialist
but you’re unsure that he’s a secret muslim.
typical climate change denier. loco loco loco.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:22 amGood to see he’s putting more effort into his job. Usually he just makes shit up.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:23 amjwest. I’m a skeptic, but I think initiatives to lower emissions and stop deforestation would be wise.
Are you opposed to environmental initiatives all together or just the empowerment of government; or something else?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:23 amBefore 2012 you’ll KNOW he’s a Muslim, don’t worry.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:24 amThe problem with global warming is twofold. First, humans seee things within a time span of a generation at most, however warming trends are geological in nature rapidity being a millennium. For the average individual to make a conclusion takes the input from people whom they trust. Now when those trusted people are religious fundamentalists who cannot even acknowledge Evolution, and Oil and manufacturing Corporations who derive profits from the carbon emissions, it’s impossible to get half of the population to agree that it is even happening. The other problem and perhaps the real debate is what the cause of Global warming is. Whether it’s a natural occurrence or caused by carbon in the atmosphere. This is the debate we should be having, and soon, since it seems that we can actually see the results of warming within our generation and that’s frightening because that rate is supersonic as far as Geological time is concerned. AND THE CURE IS GLOBAL IN NATURE!
February 13th, 2010 at 10:25 ampentagon are all in on the scam
Only now does my troll hate a strong national defense.
The scientists, the DoD, NASA, demlibs (the largest party in the US), everyone’s on this scam, except republicans and the trolling community.
It’s a big conspiratal consensus.
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well, not to knock the other growers, but did you know?
http://www.usacoffeecompany.com/
100% Pure Hawaiian Coffee – Made in the U.S.A. – Union shop!
(as heard on liberal-progressive radio)
February 13th, 2010 at 10:29 amAnd just what does JWest intend to do when the price of coffee starts going up like the price of honey has (due to the strange blight which has been killing honeybees)? Will he choose to pay the extra money? Will he simply stop drinking coffee? Or will he do something really productive…like whine???
I don’t know about the rest of you, but my money’s on option #3…
February 13th, 2010 at 10:30 amlast year was the second warmest on record and the last decade was the hottest on record.
but, of course, that info comes from the DFHs at NASA, so we can just dismiss it out of hand and believe hannity, limbaugh and beck instead.
they see snow people…
February 13th, 2010 at 10:30 amwest says:
What more proof do people need? There is no more credible source than the Kenyan Coffee Research Foundation for global climate change data.
It’s time to outlaw internal combustion engines and shut down all power from sources other than wind and solar.
For the children.
Think about all the new jobs that would be created to make this dream come true. It’s a shame that losers like jwest are unemployable leeches on society.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:31 amAccording to right winger Howie Carr of WRKO radio in Boston, if it’s cold in Boston in February then that means global warming is not real, but when the temperature is in the 40′ or 50’s in Boston, he doesn’t say a word about it. How come? Is Boston truly the city we base global temperatures on? Howie thinks so.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:32 amUntil tea production is affected by global warming the teabaggers won’t care. but it will be too late then because:
First the came for soda drinkers, and i said nothing
February 13th, 2010 at 10:33 amThen they came for the coffee drinkers, and I said nothing
Then they came for the teabaggers, and I was alone…
Here’s a novel idea. Let’s let liberals set the broad goals and let conservatives determine how to meet them.
I would make that deal.
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Gays shall be free to marry….
February 13th, 2010 at 10:33 am“Let’s let liberals set the broad goals and let conservatives determine how to meet them.”
This is what the right wingers always do! They have no new ideas or plans, so they sit around crossing their fingers that the liberals come up with one so they can take credit for it! See?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:33 amremeber, jwest has stated for the record that, while he’s ‘not sure’ that obama is a secret muslim, he does believe he’s not a citizen, is a communist and a fascist and that nasa, nas and the pentagon are in on the scam.
his only hope is trolling for wingnut welfare.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:34 amEither b-cup is erecting yet another in an impressive gallery of straw man arguments, or he failed to read the article above:
We have seen climate change in intermittent rainfall patterns, extended drought and very high temperatures. Coffee operates within a very narrow temperature range of 19-25 degrees (Celsius). When you start getting temperatures above that, it affects photosynthesis and in some cases, trees wilt and dry up. We have see trees drying up in some marginal coffee areas.
In short, it is not the “couple of degrees over a century” that causes a disruption in the growing patterns and health of the trees. It is in the alteration of the climate in terms of rainfall and extreme temperature variability.
You got some straw on your chinos, there, b-cup. Try not to track it all over the room, okay?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:34 amBluestocking, conservatives like jwest drink crappy coffee anyway. he could drink the juice wrung out of dirty socks and not notice.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:35 amJwest,
Was it the celebrities that made the video, was it the generous people that donated their money, or was it the Haitian people themselves that you hate enough to use them to try to score cheap, partisan political points against global warming?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:37 amI wonder if Republicans drink coffee?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:38 amJwest will be the first to throw a hissy fit and befoul his panties after his favorite Starbucks raises their prices 200%.
By the way, how much lying about this situation will we see from FoxNews?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:38 amkaty says:
well, not to knock the other growers, but did you know?
All well and good, but I’ll stick to my locally-owned roasters who use Fair Trade beans exclusively. They aren’t in a union because they own the shop and do their own labor. Plus, the coffee is really good.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:39 amThe only problem with that is that conservatives don’t seek to solve problems. They seek to reinforce their own dogma.
Case in point, jwest’s rather pitiful efforts on this thread. Rather than recognize the climatological threat to long-established commercial and agricultural patterns across the globe, jwest’s facetious “solution” is to tax heavily and give the money to the Kenyans. “Problem solved”, I think he said.
I don’t think we want anyone who treats serious problems so frivolously taking part in crafting any kind of solution.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:39 amThings should cost what they cost end to end.
If it costs x to produce a gallon of gas, and y to mitigate the environmental effects burning that gallon, then the cost to us for a gallon of gas needs to b x + y + profits + taxes.
Can you imagine how the mewling little trolls like jwest would whine if we actually implemented this common sense approach? Gas would cost $9/gal I bet.
But noooo… the future generations and Mother Earth must subsidize our consumption.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:40 amso give ‘em a plug, gummitch!
February 13th, 2010 at 10:40 amjwest,
why won’t you comment on the fact that, for your theory to be true, nasa, nas, the pentagon, the pope and pretty much everyone who doesn’t think palin is the bestest thing ever have to be part of the vast global conspiracy?
c’mon, answer…
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jwest. Well, how bout this? Forget about man changing the climate and focus on the reasonable idea that carbon emissions and deforestation are at least not good for the planet. Probably to some degree bad for the planet.
If we could all agree on that, the issue becomes how do we address it.
You’re right, we need some level of government.
Just as we have subsidized and incentivized oil exploration, why couldn’t we shift the subsidizes and incentives to green technologies?
Why don’t we recognize oil is a finite resource and turn the corner to a new direction?
And develop new technologies we can sell to the rest of the world that will benefit them and prevent their burgeoning population from having to rely on the massive carbon emissions and deforestation that we agree isn’t healthy.
Shorter version. Let’s stop focusing on how significant man caused climate change is and start focusing on parallel initiatives that are in our common interests.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:41 amHere’s a novel idea. Let’s let liberals set the broad goals and let conservatives determine how to meet them.
I would make that deal.
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Actually that should be more broad. Gays shall have equal rights.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:42 amAfter your performance here, can you blame us?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:43 amjwest, you’ve already admitted to being a birther.
why not acknowledge for your position to be valid, the pentagon, nasa and nas have to be part of the scam?
don’t you understand that your claims cannot be true if that is not true?
February 13th, 2010 at 10:44 amThe reason trolls infest our threads is because we don’t ignore them. I wish TP would implement an ignore button.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:45 amSo-called “conservatives” are always twenty years behind progressives on everything.
They kvetch and moan, and scream and yell, and eventually adopt the progressive positions and philosophies, although generally a generation later.
Think of all the so-called “conservatives” you know who have had a divorce, extramarital sex, gay sex, an interracial marriage, a daughter entering medical school, etc.
Look at all the “conservative” female politicians, who would not have been possible without the trailblazing efforts of 20th century feminists.
Even now, many “conservatives” are arguiing for the repeal of DADT, the very opposite of what they were yelling about a mere 15 years ago.
It will be the same concerning incremental global warming and same-sex marriage.
The very people yelling and screaming and huffing and puffing will have already quietly mainstreamed it within the next 15 to 20 years.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:46 amFixed it.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:46 amRepublicans are the ultimate freeloaders. When they’re in power they do nothing constructive. The only action they take is to wage war while cutting taxes. They know they’ll lose power and Democrats will try to repair the damage and the budget and Republicans will act like they had nothing to do with any of it until it’s successful, then they take full credit.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:48 amtrue. on the other hand, when they admit to being birthers, that’s pretty much the same effect as hitting the ignore button for everyone but the already committed wingnuts.
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evangenital. At some point in the future, the human race will evolve to a point that we don’t need standing armies.
Just because that’s what the future holds, doesn’t mean it would make sense or be wise to disband our standing army today.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:50 amIf you have a plausible plan for this, I’m all ears.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:53 amConservatives will start worrying about the climate when there’s no fresh water to make their coffee and not a minute before. Now let’s get back to bombing Iran.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:53 amBut as long as they stock the coffee on the same-height shelf at the local grocer, right-wingers will deny that this change in planting has taken place.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:54 ammy goal was to show how crazy wingnut conspiracy theorist are, not just in their climate change denial but as a general rule.
jwest admitted to being a birther.
hmm, my goals were met by his actions. strange but true.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:54 amRepiggie trolls come here because the “conservative” blogs are lifeless and dull.
On those blogs, there is no debate, no exchange and deviation from the norm.
Everything is about the repiggie talking points, with baseless smear and slime served up for the true believers.
There are no progressives trolling repiggie sites because their comments are deleted at once, resulting in a permament ban from any future posts.
That’s some celebration of the freedom of speech, isn’t it?
Of course, this all comes from a bunch of clowns that purport to love “freedom,”
but who couldn’t even begin to enumerate the various freedoms guaranteed in our precious Bill of Rights, apart from the right to bear arms.
Progressives are cool people, and the repiggies know it.
Much as they claim to hate us, they can’t stand not being around us.
I’m sure you have noticed this in your own lives.
Think of all the repiggie guys you know who have actively pursued and married progressive women.
In essence, progressives are the responsible ones, and “conservatives” are the children.
As much as they pitch a fit and a tantrum, they just can’t function without us there on the scene to think things through and to clean up the mess.
February 13th, 2010 at 10:58 amjwest,
Which do you hate the most, the Haitians, the talent or the donors?
I bet jwest hates the Haitians the most, because most of them are very poor and don’t have white skin.
Then again, he might hate people that give away their money to help the poor Haitians he hates. The “compassionate conservative” believes the Haitians should take care of themselves, so charity towards them is pointless.
Of course, there is the possibility that he hates all those liberal performers, who want to give a free ride to those poor Haitians he hates.
I can’t decide which group you hate the most jwest.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:00 amThis will only affect Faux News if for some reason the office coffee costs much more per cup. The Fauxies can only see things right in front of them, or outside the Faux News windows. Never mind that Vancouver had to truck snow in for the Olympics, as it’s had the warmest winter on record. Was THAT fact reported on Faux News? Thought not.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:01 amShayne aka Cigna says:
Conservatives will start worrying about the climate when there’s no fresh water to make their coffee and not a minute before. Now let’s get back to bombing Iran.
We will rehash the same talking point we used for the financial crisis: Noebuday could have sain this comin’!
February 13th, 2010 at 11:01 amevangenital. I do have to admit that I’m partial to the idea of suckling at the bosom of intelligent, beautiful progressive women.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:02 amjwest says:
Kay,
I’m devastated that you think so poorly of conservatives.
My suggestion was aimed at giving each ideology a chance to do what they are good at. Liberals have a utopian vision of what they want the world to be, but as far as executing a plan to achieve it, they are totally clueless and end up hurting the very people they were trying to help.
Set a reasonable goal and time frame, then let the conservatives make it happen.
Stop being so disingenuous. First off, conservatives had complete control of all three branches of our government for 5 1/2 of bush’s 8 years in office, and they completely screwed everything up. If you disagree jwest please provide evidence. You people can’t DO anything right.
2nd off, conservatives have proved they are incapable of working with the other side. Want evidence, take a look back a the last year: President Obama has repeatedly reached out to the republicans on a host of issues and has had his hand bit repeatedly for his efforts.
screw the republicans, and screw you jwest.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:02 amOff-topic, but…
JWest, I brought up honeybees in an earlier post — and while there’s no evidence as yet to suggest that the blight which is killing them is related to climate change, it’s a very troubling phenomenon. The price of honey is nothing next to the fact that honeybees are a major pollinator and fertilize many kinds of plants (including commercial crops), so much so that many farmers pay beekeepers to transport hives to their farms so that their bees can pollinate their crops. So what do you suggest that we do about the bee blight — which, with all due respect, doesn’t seem to have been attracting much attention in conservative circle despite the fact that it represents a threat to agriculture?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:02 amIf liberals want an 80% reduction in carbon emissions over the next 10 years, just say so and get out of the way.
Inhofe is in the way, not the liberals, idiot.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:04 amBy using my method of liberals setting the goals and conservatives devising the way to meet them, petty arguments are avoided.
Nice bit of utopian logic. The reality drawbacks are that conservatives don’t recognize progressive ideas and are only capable of the petty argument bit. They are really slow learners, it takes them a minimum of ten years to even begin to admit that any progressive program is valid.
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Bobwurst, I have repiggie neighbors who look at me with astonishment when I remind them that their party controlled everything from 2001- 2006.
One of them told me that the Dems have controlled Congress since 2000, and tried to obstruct Bush/Cheney on everything.
The craziness and the stupidity among repiggies out there is mind-boggling.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:06 amjwest. you have a point there.
The caveat is the potential for dangerous radioactive emissions and waste disposal.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:07 amthis last decade was the hottest on record.
this last year was the second hottest on record.
nasa, nas and the pentagon (and the pope) support the idea of global warming and climate change.
but beck, hannity and limbaugh say it’s all a socialist scam to enrich al gore.
is it any surprise who birthers like jwest choose to believe in.
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Which is a good thing because frequenting those sites kills brain cells, obviously.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:11 amWonderful train of logic chugging here. Somehow, magically I suppose, the conservatives are suddenly going to agree to what liberals discover and say we can fix that. This coming from the dork making fun of global climate change while we are reeling from the economic disaster brought on by these wunderkids.
I hope that rift in the space/time continuum closes soon and takes jwest back to his alternate reality.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:12 amProblem solved.
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February 13th, 2010 at 11:12 amHow far is Vegas from Yucca? Will we be training or trucking this waste?
jwest has not mentioned how he’s going to pay for all this. Tax increases, perhaps?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:14 amSome “conservatives’ may actually have a few good ideas, but the fact that they hang with the teabaggers, birthers, tenthers, white supremacists, chickenhawks, closet-cases and creationists causes me to immediately “turn them off” in my brain.
Talk about hanging out with the wrong crowd…
February 13th, 2010 at 11:14 amResidents within a 30 mile radius would receive as much power as they wanted for a nominal charge. Those outside of the area would pay a higher charge.
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February 13th, 2010 at 11:14 amWill anyone get KI pills?
for the same reason ‘clean coal’ and carbon sequestation won’t work.
it’s a dead end technology that leaves tons and tons of radioactive wast that will persist for tens of thousands of years.
it’s better to invest resources in more sustainable sources like wind and solar.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:16 amThere’s nine nuclear plants in Illinois which have been operating for decades. And the waste is just sitting at each site and no place has been found for any of it yet.
I’m so relieved jwest has an anwer for that.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:16 amWhy not just ship the nuclear waste to the red states which claim that there are no problems with such material, that it’s all a progressive lie?
Problem solved…
February 13th, 2010 at 11:17 amShayne, we could sell it to Iran so they don’t have to make their own. /snark
February 13th, 2010 at 11:18 amIt’s not just coffee beans of course.
Spain and Portugal are already suffering the impact of global warming to the point where winegrowers either cannot grow their classic grape varietals because they shrivel in the intense heat, or they have had to invest millions of euros to move their vineyards to higher ground where the vines can enjoy the air conditioning provided by the cool currents wafting through hills and mountainsides.
The deniers will cling to the possibility that the warming is some kind of inevitable cycle and has nothing to do with our presence on the planet.
Those of us with working brain cells know differently.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:18 amLeave it to the repiggy trolls to pick the one possible alternative energy source that produces hazardous materials. Frying pan to fire. Maybe they should stick with squirrels.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:18 amMay be that why tea party followers are refusing to believe in Global Warming.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:18 amThey’re afraid of another ‘nightmare’.!
My suggestion was aimed at giving each ideology a chance to do what they are good at. Liberals have a utopian vision of what they want the world to be, but as far as executing a plan to achieve it, they are totally clueless and end up hurting the very people they were trying to help.
Set a reasonable goal and time frame, then let the conservatives make it happen. — JWest
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I think one of my very favorite quotations is remarkably apt here…
“In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice — in practice, there is.” — Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
If most conservatives weren’t so intent on maintaining the status quo — which seems to be the definition of a conservative in most respects — and if most of them weren’t so quick to shoot down any idea which might require them to (*GASP!*) make changes, then maybe your argument would have some merit.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:19 amWhy not just ship the nuclear waste to the red states which claim that there are no problems with such material, that it’s all a progressive lie?
Problem solved…
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February 13th, 2010 at 11:20 amOr we could put it on ships and dump it off the coast of some poor and developing nation…
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Nevada will soon be a red state
February 13th, 2010 at 11:22 am—
So will they be selectively ignoring the “family alues” plank….
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typical teatard:
Oh no, if global warming affects earth, I will cry global warming a lie. Affect my coffee, global warming must be a plot to raise coffee prices.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:22 amWho took my “v”?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:24 amNIMBY for starters.
Also, are you willing to let the completely corrupt government oversee the construction?
And how will you stop the construction companies from taking bribes to shortcut the safety features of the design?
Then how do you make sure the operators and owners don’t short cut the safety rules on a daily basis? And failing to report problems?
How do you convince the people of Nevada to take all of the waste from the entire rest of the nation?
And how do we make sure there are no shortcuts on safety at Yucca mountain?
And which neighborhoods are going to allow trains or trucks running nuclear waste past their houses and schools?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:24 amDbadass,
You can’t have a “v” if you type so fast your answer appears before my comment.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:24 amBeam me up Scotty says:
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The reason trolls infest our threads is because we don’t ignore them. I wish TP would implement an ignore button
TP doesn’t seem too interested in moderating anymore.
Several of the trolls here have their own blogs but no one frequents them so they come here to work out their low self esteem issues. For them any attention is good attention.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:24 amGenerating Failure: How Building Nuclear Power Plants Would Set America Back in the Race Against Global Warming
February 13th, 2010 at 11:25 amTea party follower:” Can we blame this on Iran”?.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:25 amGot Water? Nuclear Power Plant Cooling Water Needs
For every three units of energy produced by the reactor core of a U.S. nuclear power plants, two units are discharged to the environment as waste heat. Nuclear plants are built on the shores of lakes, rivers, and oceans because these bodies provide the large quantities of cooling water needed to handle the waste heat discharge
February 13th, 2010 at 11:26 amevangenital says:
Some “conservatives’ may actually have a few good ideas, but the fact that they hang with the teabaggers, birthers, tenthers, white supremacists, chickenhawks, closet-cases and creationists causes me to immediately “turn them off” in my brain.
Talk about hanging out with the wrong crowd…
Yeah they have good ideas to make he rich richer and the poor poorer.
They hang out with that group because they believe in the same white supremacist principles but only in a slighter degree. Still their cord is racist.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:27 amThe d is lowercase. Sort of like the j….
February 13th, 2010 at 11:27 am*core
February 13th, 2010 at 11:27 amOT
New York Times
We can only hope — after all, whatever the congress didn’t give Bush while he was in office, he took upon himself, and between them, they practically destroyed the country.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:30 amIt seems reasonable that, since this congress gives Obama very little, he should use all his executive powers to accomplish what needs to be done in repairing the damage from Bush&Co.
Go for it!
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People like jwest are a perfect example of how dumb, ignorant people like to make fun of smart, knowledgable people. It’s easy, no facts required and makes them feel superior all without knowing a God Damn thing! As the old saying goes, ignorance is bliss. Right, jwest?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:35 amAs long as employers have to pay for workers health care manufacturers will never be able to compete with all the nations that provide medical for their citizens. FACT.
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jwest, why are you so reluctant to address the fact that nasa, nas and the pentagon all support global warming?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:37 amThe biggest drawbacks to nuclear power are length of time to construct safe facilities and that they only address one aspect of coal/petroleum consumption. The waste disposal and impact from thermal pollution are post construction and as potentially dangerous to the environment as what we have now.
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Mr. Evil
February 13th, 2010 at 11:39 amI respectfully disagree jwest is just bored and looking to dick around. jwest isn’t real…
Hi OSTLL…
February 13th, 2010 at 11:39 amjwest says:
we simply bribe the residents of the state with free power
Ah, yes. A treasured tool in the rightie tool box – bribery.
Nothing like appealing to base greed to get your way.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:41 amjwest,
Why have you ignored me? Are you willing to admit you are a hateful fascist rather than take me on? You are a coward.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:41 amoh jebus, help me…
February 13th, 2010 at 11:41 amNine nuclear plants in Illinois and we don’t even get cheap electricity. And you’re going to give it away for free? How are you going to pay for that nuclear plant? My tax dollars?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:42 am“As far as Nevada, we simply bribe the residents of the state with free power.”
one would assume living in a state with large expanses of desert you’d explore the use of solar energy instead of producing nuclear waste which needs to be contained somewhere. but that’s just me…
February 13th, 2010 at 11:42 amjwest what do you propose we do with the nuclear waste?
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lookit poor lil ostll, sitting there pissing his pants in the corner screaming “look at me! pay attention to me!”
February 13th, 2010 at 11:44 amHoodathunk, one thing I heard recently is that no insurance company will insure a nuclear plant so every time one is built the government has to guarantee to insure it for gazillions of dollars in case something goes wrong before it can be built.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:44 amWhen is some real concerned holy roller type going to realize that all this global climate change is really the FSM getting totally pissed at mankind for shitting in the garden they were given? If man can’t possibly be effecting climate, it must be divine intervention saying, Hey! You guys are flarking up your sandbox!
February 13th, 2010 at 11:45 amSo jwest what exactly is paying for the nuclear plant to be built? You think they’re cheap to build?
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are you a birhter too?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:46 amostll,
February 13th, 2010 at 11:46 amit wasn’t a rebuttal since you haven’t said anything which can be rebutted. all you’re doing is posting stupid shit in an effort to gain attention.
Wait until food crops start withering and burn out. Wait until pestilence and disease becomes a big problem with warmer temperatures.
Wait until only the wealthy will be the only ones able to afford food which will become expensive due to it being scarce due to the increase of burnt out crops and rise in pestilence. This will be about the time when the idiots on the right wake up but by then it will be too late.
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This issue is the least important to Americans? Got anything to back that lie up cupcake?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:47 amHoodathunk,
36 months to build.
Oh gross. You could have at least washed that off after pulling it from your butt.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:48 amSatan was known as the deceiver of men, it looks like republicans and corporations are now carrying Satans water.
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Has anyone ever looked at aerial images of cities from Mapquest or Google Earth? All those buildings with empty roofs. What if they put solar panels on all those roofs and battery systems in the sublevels? And we did this in every city and in industrial areas with large roofed warehouses. Imagine the energy we’d save and how much money the solar panel industry would make. But, since the politicians in this country are paid to protect the utility monopolies amonge other status quo entities it won’t happen anytime soon.
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ahhhhhhhh yes, cancervaturd compassion at it’s finest @155
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Hi FVNY
February 13th, 2010 at 11:51 amWhy do you think a man of such stature as Scott Brown would have voted for MA style healthcare?
i know what we can do with all the nuclear waste. we can bury it in lake lucille in wasilla, alaska!
February 13th, 2010 at 11:52 amjwest = coward
February 13th, 2010 at 11:54 amhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hx5wB6YEaAyHIpeDxx6ML-TApHzQD9DR6PAG0
So jwest do you feel consumers shouldn’t pay for these costs but the taxpayers should pay for it? That’s really conservative of you idiot.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:54 amFVNY @ 156 showing his compassion as a Christian again.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:54 amI still wanna know how the “family values” crew will threat “gaming” and “prostitution” when Nevada becomes a red state…..Me thinks that part of the platform is flexible sort of like that individual freedoms small government shit…
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as is typical of rightwing republicans, the trolls here do not want to discuss the nasa’s and nas’ support of global warming, not to mention the pentagon.
picking and choosing facts, just like picking and choosing outrages to selectively harp on.
i think they believe their hypocrisy is not obvious.
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OSTLL
February 13th, 2010 at 11:57 amYou forgot to mention closet terrorist noncitizen you silly f uck…
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I know someone who used to work for a construction company that was involved in taking over the decommissioning of Connecticut Yankee nuclear power plant from Bechtel (remember them?).
The reason they were brought in was that the cost overruns were going through the roof (from what I understand Bechtel went in, screwed things up, took gobs of money, and ran).
Connecticut Yankee
February 13th, 2010 at 11:57 amterminated its decommissioning contract with Bechtel in July 2003 due to
Bechtel’s history of incomplete and untimely performance and refusal to perform
remaining decommissioning work.
no doubt a chicken hawk as well.
February 13th, 2010 at 11:57 amostli, what about the fact that the pentagon rates global warming as a national security threat?
what? hasn’t beck told you how to respond to that question yet?
February 13th, 2010 at 11:59 amInsidious Prophet. I watched your video. cool.
I’m curious. Would you consider the government regulating individual carbon use as tyranny or fascism?
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So jwest, you don’t want the government to guarantee financing and liability of power plants, you want the government to own and operate the power plants. That’s so socialist of you. But that’s not part of the plan, the energy companies will still own and operate them and energy will not be free except in your delusional mind. Again, there’s nine nuclear energy plants in Illinois and it isn’t any cheaper than any other area. Clueless.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:01 pmAs far as Nevada, we simply bribe the residents of the state with free power. We make sure the offer comes in the hottest month just after their air conditioning power bills are mailed. — JWest
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The trouble with this is that if a problem of any kind resulted in radiation leakage — if corners were cut during construction due to unscrupulous contractors, if oversight is not everything it should be, if a truck carrying radioactive waste out of the facility were involved in an accident and containment was damaged — then you can bet that at least some of these same people would end up spending the amount of money saved on utility bills and more for medical bills.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:02 pmOSTLL@169 flagged for off topic spam.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:02 pmFu(k “family values” we’re onto something better, “common sense conservatism”, you fu(king libs are sooooooo slow! RMLAO!
February 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pmBecause government doesn’t have to pay their bills?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pmIt seems like in addition to highlighting the problems with carbon emissions and climate change, proponents need to communicate a plausible solution to limit the emissions and still meet energy needs.
Is that information available?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pmOh the rightwingnuts are all worried about national security but they want to put nuclear power targets all over the country for the terrorists to take aim at.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:03 pmfoley, craig, gingrich, haggard, swaggart, ad naseum…
you’re right, the claim is a joke.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:04 pmThis worn out beat to death talking point gets funnier every time I see it…..
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February 13th, 2010 at 12:05 pmExactly the right is stands no more for family values then it does small government. Both are silly talking points that rubes embarass like jocks do trite phrases like “Cowboy Up” and such…
jwest says:
The insurance and legal costs of previous plants would be one of the things government ownership would eliminate.
I’m sorry, did you just promote government ownership of nuclear power plants? Did I read that right? But, but, that sounds like nationalization, socialism, big government and taxpayer-funded projects! Or whatever it is you righties are always ranting about. I thought you didn’t like that.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pmNew Palin thread above
February 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pmGreat idea! Now how are we going to get it there?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:07 pmFu(k “family values” we’re onto something better, “common sense conservatism”, you fu(king libs are sooooooo slow! RMLAO!
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February 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pmCan you share it with me or is this new thing double top secret?
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Now that’s fracking serious. If those goddamn Tea Partiers don’t get with the program on stopping the shit being blown into the air, there’s going to be hell to pay for them. Tea my arse; this country is fueled by coffee…
February 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pmI wonder if people behaving collectively in the interest of the common good and not like spoiled children that insist on possessing things they need not would be socialism or worse yet communism….
February 13th, 2010 at 12:10 pmFVNY says:
Fu(k “family values” we’re onto something better, “common sense conservatism”, you fu(king libs are sooooooo slow! RMLAO!
Oxymoron alert
February 13th, 2010 at 12:11 pmWhich one of you VDTs is against shipping the nuclear waste to Alaska. Timmeh must be lurking here somewhere.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pmhttp://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-europe.htm
I don’t know enough about nuclear power to make a comment (unlike trolls who think they are experts on everything).
But Europe employs a number of nuclear power plants. Regulated, inspected, controlled. I don’t know of any “incidents” even though there are some Europeans who oppose them.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pmShipping nuclear waste?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:17 pmThere’s a lot of open land in Texas where the brush has been cleared.
Shayne,
“did you just promote government ownership of nuclear power plants?”
Yes.
I’m all for government owning military bases and interstate highways too.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:17 pmbackup says:
Insidious Prophet. I watched your video. cool.
I’m curious. Would you consider the government regulating individual carbon use as tyranny or fascism?
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I would consider it the government doing it’s job of regulating. Whether regulating individual carbon is good or bad remains to be seen.
My biggest concern is with cap & trade. Without regulating the market, a carbon market will become another playground for Wall Street to make billions of dollars while creating a new bubble and another financial meltdown.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:18 pmBut what does jwest feel about Americans having to one day pay for the two costly and unnecessary wars that the Bush regime got us into?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pmI would consider it the government doing it’s job of regulating.
Is that really the gov’ts job?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pmIs that really the gov’ts job?
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February 13th, 2010 at 12:23 pmI don’t know, why not ask those people that want a constitutional ammendment to prevent loving caring people from being married?
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jwest,
Are you such a coward, that you will continue to ignore me?
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I would consider it the government doing it’s job of regulating.
Is that really the gov’ts job?
Yes. But it wouldn’t be necessary if people always did the right thing.
Galt’s Gulch is fictional.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pmYou don’t have a watch anymore wingnut.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:25 pmIs that really the gov’ts job?
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February 13th, 2010 at 12:26 pmDenying individual reproductive autonomy?
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If Barack wants the credit, he should pick up the bill.
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February 13th, 2010 at 12:30 pmIt is usually the adult at the table that the waitsatff hands the check to. The kids just order what they want with no regard.
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Won’t happen under my watch!
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HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
What is a little punk a$$ troll like you going to do about it!
Little pu$$y, you are too cowardly to fight for your country so I doubt you have the balls to do much of anything else except make bold statements on the internet in the safety of your mothers basement.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pmthey love to share credit for their failures don’t they.
Next up: How Obama destroyed our economy.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:32 pmWay to spin the cost of the war onto Obama, jimmywest. I can hear it now. When the final war price tag finally hits the American taxpayer in the pocketbook, the idiots on the right will blame it all on Obama.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:33 pmaaronk thinks the ussr had companies to regulate.
that makes my day. I will be smiling the rest of the day.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pmdbadass – this looks like a book both you and I might enjoy.
The Invisible Hand and the Common Good
Meaty stuff.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:35 pmFred ♪♫♪ says:
OSTLL says:
The faux prophets idea of “regulating” is straight out of the ussr playbook. Won’t happen under my watch!
aaronk thinks the ussr had companies to regulate.
that makes my day. I will be smiling the rest of the day.
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Sometimes sheer stupidity has a purpose. :)
I’m probably not being fair to jwest. I’m sure he would gladly share credit for his successes……..if he had any.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:40 pmarronk thinks it’s a great question. Why am I not surprised?
Choose between tyranny or fascism as if they aren’t the same thing.
The lack of brain cells is staggering when exposed to the light of day.
February 13th, 2010 at 12:44 pmof course, that’s not true. nasa states that this last year was the second warmest on record and the last decade was the warmest on record.
i guess you’re another one who believes nasa has been taken over by DFHs and is in on the scam.
classic.
are a birther like the other trolls?
February 13th, 2010 at 12:47 pmtest.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/18/bush-obama-succeed/
February 13th, 2010 at 1:14 pm208, if you want respect, you should stop being a partisan hack d**chebag liar.
February 13th, 2010 at 1:38 pm204, LOL why would the soviets need to regulate companies they owned? LOL! ROTFL! what a retard you are patsy!
Meanwhile in America, the founding fathers were wise enough to give us the right to regulate in the constitution. Why do you hate American, you and your terrorist teabagger buddies patsy?
February 13th, 2010 at 1:38 pmNo more Coffee! That’s scary, very very scary. I’m going to start stockpiling coffee. Hmm, where to keep it safe? Not to hot, not to chilly, not too dry.
Panic attack!
You know: this story might just get thru to some of the deniers. Maybe even the oil companies behind the deniers.
“You can’t drink oil in the morning to wake up”
February 13th, 2010 at 2:33 pmRush might have to admit to global warming when he can’t have his Oxycontin vanilla cocoa quadruple latte frappuccino from Starbucks.
February 13th, 2010 at 2:36 pmWillowOrchid says:
“You can’t drink oil in the morning to wake up”
Untrue. G. Gordon Liddy drinks at least one liter to get that natural shine on his Lex Luther inspired head.
February 13th, 2010 at 2:40 pmoh shit! Not my coffee!!!!
this is getting serious..
February 13th, 2010 at 3:04 pmMr. Sonia Herecomestheangst says:
WillowOrchid says:
“You can’t drink oil in the morning to wake up”
Untrue. G. Gordon Liddy drinks at least one liter to get that natural shine on his Lex Luther inspired head.
G. Gordon Liddy?
Isn’t that relic from the Nixon era dead yet?
Damn, he was old then.
..or is it that he just looks like he’s dead.
Him and Pat Buchanan, the walking dead from the Nixon Administration.
February 13th, 2010 at 3:18 pmPack all the N-waste on mothballed Liberty ships and sail them pass Somalia under remote control with a faux crew of Gitmo detainees. The pirates can then hold the ships and crew for ransom over the next 100,000 years. Two problems solved.
February 13th, 2010 at 3:29 pmjwest says:
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We should institute an immediate 99% tax on all incomes above $100,000 and seize all profits from all corporations in order to send the money to these poor Kenyan coffee producers.
Problem solved.
You know you have nothing when you have straw man arguments such as this…
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I’m going to start a website where concerned people like you can send donations to the “Save the Marginal Coffee Areas Fund”.
We need a celebrity concert to raise awareness.
If we all join hands and sing together, we can solve this devastation of the world’s coffee producing lands.
It’s just like a conservative to savage an effort to help people affected by disaster…I’m so glad that I made that 180 because if it weren’t for college and my roommate, I would be jwest trolling this board…
February 13th, 2010 at 3:58 pmCan someone explain to me how the Republican assertions that two blizzards in DC debunks climate change science (Mitch McConnell is even doing it) endears them to educated people?
It seems to me that educated people would not touch this sort of argumentation with a forty-foot pole.
The Republicans are becoming the Party of uneducated whites.
February 13th, 2010 at 4:07 pmSure Bob. Nobody’s claiming that 2 snowstorms debunk Global Warmi… oh wait climate change. People are claiming that the trends don’t support your theory on climate change.
CO2’s a greenhouse gas! It’ll cause warming! It’ll cause cooling! Pick one, not both.
February 13th, 2010 at 4:18 pm231, what a retarded post. Actually retards are doing exactly that, claiming that snowstorms debunk global warming. Are you as illiterate as you are full of strawman arguments? Moron.
February 13th, 2010 at 5:02 pmOSTLL says:
Is that really the gov’ts job?
Yes. That is exactly a core function of government.
We cannot have an economy without currency (regulated by government), contracts (enforced by government) and laws (enforced by government).
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jwest says:
Bush’s wars?
Obama was all for the “good war” in Afghanistan and now it looks like he wants to take credit for Iraq now that it is a success.
Bush gets credit for the wars he started. Obama will get credit for the wars he ends.
February 13th, 2010 at 5:12 pmbob h, as you can see from the moronic response at 231 by “galt“, these people are so monstrously stupid that they cannot tell the difference between precipitation and temperature.
It is, of course, still cold enough in winter for it to snow. With current jetstream blockage of the Arctic Oscillation (a weather event) much (though not all) of North America has been in a somewhat cooler than average pattern. When you add to this the greater moisture lofted by the warmer air due to GLOBAL warming (and observe how pathetic imbeciles like galt, besides lacking the minimum cognitive capacity needed to tell the difference between temperature and precipitation, are also unable to tell the difference between North America and the entire world), this moisture will then come down as snow.
February 13th, 2010 at 6:03 pmSomeone beat me to the wine grape post. This is where climate change really shows. What crops can be grown in a region is a measure of climate. French vintners who have farms that were in the family for generations are buying land in Britain.
I’m frankly more worried about the coffee than the wine. After oil, caffeine is the biggest driver of our economy.
February 13th, 2010 at 7:27 pmThe rest of my family denies man-made climate change, but this really hits home. Without coffee every morning, we’d die (yeah, my family can’t survive without caffiene; we’re so grumpy without it that we might end up killing each other if we ever ran out of coffee).
February 13th, 2010 at 8:43 pmAnyone know of any good brands of organic or fair-trade coffee? The only one I know of is Equal Exchange, because my old church youth group used to sell it as a fundraiser so we could go on mission trips, but I’m always looking for more brands. I know Starbucks has some fair trade/organic coffee, but I haven’t been able to find it in a while. Does Green Mountain do the whole “fair-trade” thing, because I kinda like Green Mountain.
February 13th, 2010 at 8:49 pmClimate experts have been forced to admit another embarrassing error in their most recent report on the threat of climate change.
In a background note – released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) last night – the UN group said its 2007 report wrongly stated that 55% of the Netherlands lies below sea level. In fact, only 26% of the country does. The figure used by the IPCC included all areas in the country that are prone to flooding, including land along rivers above sea level. This accounts for 29% of the Dutch countryside.
“The sea-level statistic was used for background information only, and the updated information remains consistent with the overall conclusions,” the IPCC note states. Nevertheless, the admission is likely to intensify claims by sceptics that the IPCC work is riddled with sloppiness.
The disclosure will intensify divisions between scientists and sceptics over the interpretation of statistics and the use of sources for writing climate change reports, disagreements that have led to apologies being made by both sides of the debate. Last week a key climate-change sceptic apologised for alleging that one of the world’s leading meteorologists had deliberately exaggerated the dangers of global warming.
In an email debate in the Observer, Benny Peiser, head of the UK Global Warming Policy Foundation, quoted Sir John Houghton, the UK scientist who played a key role in establishing the IPCC, as saying that “unless we announce disasters, no one will listen”.
But in a letter to the Observer, Houghton said: “The quote from me is without foundation. I have never said it or written it. Although it has spread on the internet like wild fire, …..
Read more at
February 13th, 2010 at 11:34 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/14/benny-peiser-houghton-ipcc-apology
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
Data for vital ‘hockey stick graph’ has gone missing
There has been no global warming since 1995
Warming periods have happened before – but NOT due to man-made changes
Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0fTwZmfWP
February 13th, 2010 at 11:40 pmgalt
No it hasnt you brainwashed moron. You just regurgitate whatever you are told to think no matter how stupid it is dont you?
February 14th, 2010 at 3:15 ampat,
can you explain why nasa and the pentagon are in on the scam?
February 14th, 2010 at 9:15 amSo is your point the world will end if there is no more coffee?
February 14th, 2010 at 3:44 pmStill waiting to hear your answer regarding how to solve the problem of the bee blight, JWest…more than thirty-six hours after originally posing the question to you.
In an earlier post, you said (and I quote) “Liberals have a utopian vision of what they want the world to be, but as far as executing a plan to achieve it, they are totally clueless and end up hurting the very people they were trying to help. Set a reasonable goal and time frame, then let the conservatives make it happen.”
So let’s see you put your money where your mouth is, JWest — since you think conservatives are the only ones capable of coming up with workable solutions to the challenges which liberals identify. The challenge which I proposed to you is the troubling die-off which in recent years has been observed in both captive and feral populations of honeybees (it seems reasonable to assume that one may be affecting the other). The reasonable goal is stopping or at least slowing the die-off which we’re seeing in the honeybee population — the reasonable time frame being more or less indefinite, but within the time frame necessary to prevent honeybees from becoming endangered. So how do you propose we make that happen, hmmmmm???
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pat,
can you explain why nasa and the pentagon are in on the scam?
Perhaps they were using the bogus data provided to them…hmmm
February 15th, 2010 at 1:41 pmUSCKitty =^..^= the official oracle of the Most Holy Chloe says:
It’s just like a conservative to savage an effort to help people affected by disaster…I’m so glad that I made that 180 because if it weren’t for college and my roommate, I would be jwest trolling this board…
How was he savaging their effort, it was more making fun of their self righteousness. I made the 180 when I emerged from puberty and entered the real world, otherwise I would be one of the mindless sheep on the left with no sense of humor, or compassion and full of hatred for all that is good in the world. Sorry to hear you lost your individualism to the mindless blather of your college professors and room mate.
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