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Friday, July 21, 2006

Talking about Israel

The good doctor has articulated a view that I think many people share:
'The cartoon [...] links to a really good editorial by Tony Judd in Haaretz which, I think, nicely summarizes one reason why so many of us well-read, reasonably-informed, politically-minded American lefties find it difficult to form, or articulate, arguments about the Israel/Palestine conflict and its myriad offshoots in the Middle East. Even though the centrality of that ongoing struggle colors so much of our (Europe and America's, but especially the U.S.'s) interactions in the area (it isn't always only about the oil), I think we tend to downplay or ignore that aspect sometimes because so many of the assholes that play it up are clearly bigots.

...If, like me, this is a subject you tend to avoid in part because you don't feel well-educated about the big strategic/political picture...'
See, I'm not sure how much of a big strategic picture there is. Call me overly cycnical, I think saying the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is too complicated to be criticised serves two purposes:
  1. to intimidate people into not criticising things that would be obviously wrong in any other situation
  2. to conveniently leave it to the politicians, who may have intersts other than the welfare of civilians, to deal with the situation.
The fact is that starving a million and a half civilians supposedly because of the kidnapping of a soldier is clearly wrong. And yet a surprising number of intelligent people seem to feel unable or unwilling to state that clearly. They have to disclaim it with "Israeli must defend itself, but..." instead of simply "The handling of the situation by the Israeli military is just plain wrong." It's simpler, somehow, to talk about how wrong suicide bombings are, than the mass mistreatment (read: deliberate bombing, shooting, starving, and otherwise killing) of civilians.

Dr B hits the nail on the head, I think, when pointing out that a big deterrent to frank analysis of the situation is the association between Jews and Israel. Criticism of Israel is often seen as an attack on Jews, as anti-semitism. Jews who oppose the occupation are described as "self-loathing" and "anti-Jewish". I've been called both these things, more than once by family members.

I'll come back to this -- the "Crying Anti-semitism" syndrome another time. But for now, I'll just say that I'm glad people are talking about this and that Dr B posted about this. Yes, it seems complicated, and yes a lot of people go out of their way to make it seem that way by invoking labels like "Nazi" and "self-loathing" and "justifications" like the Holocaust, but actually it's pretty simple. Bombing civilians is Not Okay. Illegal occupation and collective punishment of a civilian population is Not Okay. Being Israeli doesn't make it legit.

And it's not anti-semitic to stand up for human rights. Anyone who appeals to Jewish identity as a reason not to stand up for human rights needs to have a long hard think about whether they really want to be saying that supporting the unjustified murders of civilians, who have nothing to do with suicide attacks, is part of what it means to be Jewish.

--IP

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5 comments:

Changeseeker said...

I'm so grateful to read your post. I've been walking around feeling as if I must be missing something. It doesn't look complicated to me. I've been depressed all week over this and then the legislature voted almost unanimously to support Israel in what it's doing...? Supporting Jewish people and supporting Israel as a nation have never appeared to me to be automatically the same thing, but I always feel as if I can't just say that for fear I will be misunderstood.

IrrationalPoint said...

Thanks, Changeseeker.

"Supporting Jewish people and supporting Israel as a nation have never appeared to me to be automatically the same thing"

Abslutely true. Supporting Israel as a nation is also not the same thing as supporting the policies of the Israeli government and military, and that send is, I think particularly important to emphasise. I'm not Zionist, but I don't think my views on the policies of the Israeli military are incompatible with Zionism -- one could support the idea of a Jewish state without supporting the oppression of Palestinians -- many of the consciencious objectors from the IDF are cases in point.

But back to your point -- I think it's ok to explicitely say "I condemn the actions of the IDF but I'm making a distinction between the IDF and Jews" or words to that effect.

I think it's really important that people start talking about this openly and honestly, despite whatever crap might be thrown at them for talking about human rights. If more people start talking, maybe the fondness for calling those who oppose the occupation "Nazis" would be exposed as the nonsense that it really is.

--IP

Changeseeker said...

I agree, but there are pretty strong feelings about this in the U.S. I'll let this post motivate me, though, to make a better effort to clarify this point in the future. Edgy, but necessary. Thanks for the encouragment.

sailorman said...

How do you apportion blame?

Do you blame Israel for the IDF actions?

Do you blame Hezbollah, or Hamas, for starting things?

Do you blame the US for voting to support them?

Do you blame Syria and Iran for extending the conflict, and/or failing to end it (which almost everyone thinks is within their power to do should they so choose?)

I think a real deterrent to "frank analysis" as you put it, is that once you've said it's "clearly wrong" and that the IDF is to blame, well, what's left to discuss?

IrrationalPoint said...

Changeseeker:

"but there are pretty strong feelings about this in the U.S."

Everywhere, I think. I'm glad that you and others are starting to talk about the issue more. It's not always easy to do so, and often intimidating, but hey, when has social justice ever been easy? :-)

Sailorman:

"How do you apportion blame?"

I don't think *blame* is useful or constructive in terms of find some kind of resolution to the conflict.

But since you're asking the question, I blame everyone who is furthering violence, or doing nothing to encourage the end of violence. I blame the IDF, the Israeli government, Hamas and Hezbollah militants, the US government, the international community.

But the important thing now is to find a way to move past what's happened before. We can play the "they started it!" game forever, but it won't help anyone. The attitude of the Israeli military and of Hamas so far hasn't been productive. So it's time to change, and Israel could initiate such a change if it wished, by ending it's current policy of systematic rights abuses.

"once you've said it's "clearly wrong" and that the IDF is to blame, well, what's left to discuss?"

A lot, actually. Like how to find a way out of this mess.

--IP